I will add to this "discussion" that it doesnt matter if you have a million subscribers in Korea and China or a billion, if the money you make from those subscribers is meager at best then theres really no point to gloat.

Lets have a little comparison.

In the first quarter of 2009 WoW by itself made $281 million
(by the way, thats after operating costs but before taxes)

Alternatively, boosted by a strong performance from Aion, NCSoft as a whole made a whopping $46 million

So, while Aion was racking up millions of subscribers in Korea and China, WoW by itself still made more than 6 times more money than every game that NCSoft has.

So, Aion can lay claim to however many millions of subscribers they want and Blizzard will laugh themselves stupid all the way to the bank.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Xiaoki

I will add to this "discussion" that it doesnt matter if you have a million subscribers in Korea and China or a billion, if the money you make from those subscribers is meager at best then theres really no point to gloat.

Lets have a little comparison.

In the first quarter of 2009 WoW by itself made $281 million
(by the way, thats after operating costs but before taxes)

Alternatively, boosted by a strong performance from Aion, NCSoft as a whole made a whopping $46 million

So, while Aion was racking up millions of subscribers in Korea and China, WoW by itself still made more than 6 times more money than every game that NCSoft has.

So, Aion can lay claim to however many millions of subscribers they want and Blizzard will laugh themselves stupid all the way to the bank.

 

Correction here: NCSoft official figures for Aion ... are still at 1.5 M "internet cafés subs" .... (not "millions of").

And as long as Xfire stats show trends (ask Gauge and Mark Jacobs about them) I only see growth for Wow these days...

http://www.xfire.com/games/wow/World_of_Warcraft/

MUCH growth :)))

Subscriptions in Western based mmorpg's with monthly fees are so much harder to gather.

Certainly 3 months after the hyped launch. :))))

 BTW I love the PIE Chart : http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/

 

I had a look at those pages dont they only pertain to xfire users ? Also the pie chart does not appear to be dated . It can only be an older model given the situation in China if it is indeed ment to be indicative of WoW worldwide subscription status .

Really only an statement from Blizzard would solve the question .Unfortunatly there has not been one forth coming in the last 8 months .If they miss another that will be the third quarterly statement they have missed . I m sure we will get one sooner or later and it is more than likly going to show a drop in subscriptions . I just wonder how large that drop will be .

Originally posted by arthen999

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Xiaoki

I will add to this "discussion" that it doesnt matter if you have a million subscribers in Korea and China or a billion, if the money you make from those subscribers is meager at best then theres really no point to gloat.

Lets have a little comparison.

In the first quarter of 2009 WoW by itself made $281 million
(by the way, thats after operating costs but before taxes)

Alternatively, boosted by a strong performance from Aion, NCSoft as a whole made a whopping $46 million

So, while Aion was racking up millions of subscribers in Korea and China, WoW by itself still made more than 6 times more money than every game that NCSoft has.

So, Aion can lay claim to however many millions of subscribers they want and Blizzard will laugh themselves stupid all the way to the bank.

 

Correction here: NCSoft official figures for Aion ... are still at 1.5 M "internet cafés subs" .... (not "millions of").

And as long as Xfire stats show trends (ask Gauge and Mark Jacobs about them) I only see growth for Wow these days...

http://www.xfire.com/games/wow/World_of_Warcraft/

MUCH growth :)))

Subscriptions in Western based mmorpg's with monthly fees are so much harder to gather.

Certainly 3 months after the hyped launch. :))))

 BTW I love the PIE Chart : http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/

 

 

I had a look at those pages dont they only pertain to xfire users ? Also the pie chart does not appear to be dated . It can only be an older model given the situation in China if it is indeed ment to be indicative of WoW worldwide subscription status .

Really only an statement from Blizzard would solve the question .Unfortunatly there has not been one forth coming in the last 8 months .If they miss another that will be the third quarterly statement they have missed . I m sure we will get one sooner or later and it is more than likly going to show a drop in subscriptions . I just wonder how large that drop will be .

Wrong, they issued statements, just not statements with sub numbers which they do not have to do.

And why they haven't released sub numbers has been explained multiple times in this thread.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

E3 2009: Blizzard accepts Guinness World Record Awards

http://www.blizzplanet.com/blog/comments/e3_2009_blizzard_accepts_guinness_world_record_awards/

11.6 million subscriptions.

Date June 05th 2009.

As the Guiness book of world record is only working with accredited official appointed laywers.

Who still wants to have more proof of the 2nd quarter????

Third quarter end on Sep 30th btw.

PS. The downtime in mainland China (not Taiwan) was from June 7th to July 28th and was not even on a full monthly basis.

 

Then they dropped 6 million players.

whats that then 5.5.. 5.6 million left?

But if they are not able to match the old number they used to have i doubt they will ever bring it up again.

I don't think blizzard with say the numbers if they are under the 11.5M they advertised last, or else it would show a loss of players.

With Champions Online, Aion and other games on the way, that, more or less will attract players, plus the chinese fiasco, i dont believe Blizzard will anytime soon present sub numbers.

Originally posted by tryklon

I don't think blizzard with say the numbers if they are under the 11.5M they advertised last, or else it would show a loss of players.

With Champions Online, Aion and other games on the way, that, more or less will attract players, plus the chinese fiasco, i dont believe Blizzard will anytime soon present sub numbers.

Ok, let's go through this again.

Last year,  Age of Conan and Warhammer were both launched.   WOW grew by over 10% last year and picked up almost 2 million subscribers during the launch of those two competitors

Champions Online and Aion have are nothing compared to the hype of Warhammer and AOC.   Not only did WOW not decline last year, it GREW.  

Look at amazon.com or NPD, WOW battlechest is STILL in the top 20 of all game sales, which means a ton of people are still buying the game and just now starting to play.

Originally posted by Alandora

Originally posted by tryklon

I don't think blizzard with say the numbers if they are under the 11.5M they advertised last, or else it would show a loss of players.

With Champions Online, Aion and other games on the way, that, more or less will attract players, plus the chinese fiasco, i dont believe Blizzard will anytime soon present sub numbers.

 

Ok, let's go through this again.

Last year,  Age of Conan and Warhammer were both launched.   WOW grew by over 10% last year and picked up almost 2 million subscribers during the launch of those two competitors

Champions Online and Aion have are nothing compared to the hype of Warhammer and AOC.   Not only did WOW not decline last year, it GREW.  

Look at amazon.com or NPD, WOW battlechest is STILL in the top 20 of all game sales, which means a ton of people are still buying the game and just now starting to play.

We will see, when the numbers get out, if they ever do...

Originally posted by Alandora

Originally posted by tryklon

I don't think blizzard with say the numbers if they are under the 11.5M they advertised last, or else it would show a loss of players.

With Champions Online, Aion and other games on the way, that, more or less will attract players, plus the chinese fiasco, i dont believe Blizzard will anytime soon present sub numbers.

 

Ok, let's go through this again.

Last year,  Age of Conan and Warhammer were both launched.   WOW grew by over 10% last year and picked up almost 2 million subscribers during the launch of those two competitors

Champions Online and Aion have are nothing compared to the hype of Warhammer and AOC.   Not only did WOW not decline last year, it GREW.  

Look at amazon.com or NPD, WOW battlechest is STILL in the top 20 of all game sales, which means a ton of people are still buying the game and just now starting to play.

So new games launching bring more subs to WOW? Could someone explain to me how that works? Or when someone quits WOW to sub to say Warhammer then comes back to WOW does Blizz count the returning player as a new sub? Somehow this just doesnt sound right.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Alandora

Originally posted by tryklon

I don't think blizzard with say the numbers if they are under the 11.5M they advertised last, or else it would show a loss of players.

With Champions Online, Aion and other games on the way, that, more or less will attract players, plus the chinese fiasco, i dont believe Blizzard will anytime soon present sub numbers.

 

Ok, let's go through this again.

Last year,  Age of Conan and Warhammer were both launched.   WOW grew by over 10% last year and picked up almost 2 million subscribers during the launch of those two competitors

Champions Online and Aion have are nothing compared to the hype of Warhammer and AOC.   Not only did WOW not decline last year, it GREW.  

Look at amazon.com or NPD, WOW battlechest is STILL in the top 20 of all game sales, which means a ton of people are still buying the game and just now starting to play.

 

http://www.xfire.com/games/wow/World_of_Warcraft/

The same trend is already showing with the Beta launches of those newest "competitors".

Ask Mark Jacobs how trustworthy the trends shown on Xfire really are.

Reason for this growth?

Patch 3.2 is launching next week, two weeks later there is Blizzcon and in December the final countdown with Arthas is programmed.

Shrug.Just see the graphs, last time this year Wow had around 82K on Xfire this year it is around 90K+.

That is all extremely nice, but still, i fail to understand why Blizzard is jumping quarters without sub numbers release

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by Zorndorf

 

http://www.xfire.com/games/wow/World_of_Warcraft/

The same trend is already showing with the Beta launches of those newest "competitors".

Ask Mark Jacobs how trustworthy the trends shown on Xfire really are.

Reason for this growth?

Patch 3.2 is launching next week, two weeks later there is Blizzcon and in December the final countdown with Arthas is programmed.

Shrug.Just see the graphs, last time this year Wow had around 82K on Xfire this year it is around 90K+.

 

That is all extremely nice, but still, i fail to understand why Blizzard is jumping quarters without sub numbers release

 

http://www.blizzplanet.com/blog/comments/e3_2009_blizzard_accepts_guinness_world_record_awards/

Guess again:

Info came on June 5th (2nd quarter) WITH official confirmation of the GWR).

Or perhaps those guys ALL lie....

Now couple this with the link of present days Xfire trends...

Then realize the new Chinese relaunch on July 28th ... showed the log in screen of ... WotlK.

Need a bet what the launch of WotLK will do to China in the fiollowing months?

Again, and I quote "AGAIN" this link is bogus. The guiness world record number doesn't state at what date these sub numbers were derived from. You think you talk alot about facts but in reality the crap you spew are straight up lies to preach your WoW shill propaganda..

Also, lmoa @ x-fire ..no one even uses this program. So any "trends" you gather can be flushed down toilet as with all the useless crap you preach.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by supbro

 

Again, and I quote "AGAIN" this link is bogus. The guiness world record number doesn't state at what date these sub numbers were derived from. You think you talk alot about facts but in reality the crap you spew are straight up lies to preach your WoW shill propaganda..

Also, lmoa @ x-fire ..no one even uses this program. So any "trends" you gather can be flushed down toilet as with all the useless crap you preach.

 

The Guinees world records are ALWAYS recorded with appointed laywers present and it was handed to Blizzard on June 5th.

11.600.0000 was a NEW number above the confirmed 11.5 M old number.

If you don't believe the confirmed Guiness records, well be happy. Even the top of Blizz was present as the link showed.

FYI: in the past Blizz mostly put out the subs per quarter. This last quarter it was done in combo with the Guiness book.

http://www.blizzplanet.com/blog/comments/e3_2009_blizzard_accepts_guinness_world_record_awards/

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Xfire shows very much trends in MMO's being played and Xfire showed the trends of AoC and WAR MONTHS in advance.

The samples are HUGE and they show trends that were actual ON top when predicting declinin subs of War and AOC in advance.

Like I said: ask the EX presidents of FunCom and Mythic just how accurate they were in predicting the subs (always confirmed MONTHS later by the number of open/closed servers and offical statements).

 

I dont get why you keep beating the same squirrell. Man those 11.6 million were achieved at the top of the games popularity, and the guiness record says the wow was the game with the highest subscription numbers. Where the hell does it say thet wow had 11.6 millions by june 2009?

Figures lie and liars figure....words of wisdom from Gramps.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by Zorndorf

 

The Guinees world records are ALWAYS recorded with appointed laywers present and it was handed to Blizzard on June 5th.

11.600.0000 was a NEW number above the confirmed 11.5 M old number.

If you don't believe the confirmed Guiness records, well be happy. Even the top of Blizz was present as the link showed.

FYI: in the past Blizz mostly put out the subs per quarter. This last quarter it was done in combo with the Guiness book.

http://www.blizzplanet.com/blog/comments/e3_2009_blizzard_accepts_guinness_world_record_awards/

--------

Xfire shows very much trends in MMO's being played and Xfire showed the trends of AoC and WAR MONTHS in advance.

The samples are HUGE and they show trends that were actual ON top when predicting declinin subs of War and AOC in advance.

Like I said: ask the EX presidents of FunCom and Mythic just how accurate they were in predicting the subs (always confirmed MONTHS later by the number of open/closed servers and offical statements).

 

 

I dont get why you keep beating the same squirrell. Man those 11.6 million were achieved at the top of the games popularity, and the guiness record says the wow was the game with the highest subscription numbers. Where the hell does it say thet wow had 11.6 millions by june 2009?

 

Because the previous quarters mentioned 11.5 million.

11.6 million was the statement made in conjuction with the Guiness book people on June 5th.

 

The guiness book people gave the award on june 5 refering to the previous year, its muchb like the Oscars =P... what i want is a release of the first and second quarters of 2009 subscription numbers... link me that pls

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by Zorndorf

 

Because the previous quarters mentioned 11.5 million.

11.6 million was the statement made in conjuction with the Guiness book people on June 5th.

 

 

The guiness book people gave the award on june 5 refering to the previous year, its muchb like the Oscars =P... what i want is a release of the first and second quarters of 2009 subscription numbers... link me that pls

 

You assumption is false (of course on purpose I suppose).

Why? http://investor.activision.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=355698

---> Because the record of last year in December was 11.5 M, not 11.6 M. Like I said the 11.6 M was a new and higher figure than that "of last year".

As the official report of the 2nd quarter is not even out yet (August), it is nice you want to see info that is not even piblished yet.

Since Wow was taken out by the Chinese government between June 8th and July 27th, it would be interesting to see how the new launched WotlK will do in the next quarter.

there you are going circles again..... very well then, i dont want 2nd quarter numbers, only in august, and since that link you gave me is from december 2008, show me 1st quarter then, the official numbers. Or hasnt that been release yet also... maybe in august?

Besides, 11.6 million is not a posterior number, its right there, "its award-winning subscription-based massively multiplayer online role-playing game, is now played by more than 11.5 million subscribers worldwide"    read again, MORE than 11.5 so you have your 11.6 right there in december... i want 2009 numbers

So now we are getting somewhere, so after all the mighty world of warcraft , after 5 years of incresing sucess .... LEVELED UP and got STEADY... lol.... the cap has bee hitted i see..... and according to wotlk in china, we will see about that, first i want to see 2nd quarter numbers... you are only fooling yourslef if you think the China fiasco will go unpunished and you think the numbers will remain the same...

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by Zorndorf

 

Because the previous quarters mentioned 11.5 million.

11.6 million was the statement made in conjuction with the Guiness book people on June 5th.

 

 

The guiness book people gave the award on june 5 refering to the previous year, its muchb like the Oscars =P... what i want is a release of the first and second quarters of 2009 subscription numbers... link me that pls

 

You assumption is false (of course on purpose I suppose).

Why? http://investor.activision.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=355698

---> Because the record of last year in December was 11.5 M, not 11.6 M. Like I said the 11.6 M was a new and higher figure than that "of last year".

As the official report of the 2nd quarter is not even out yet (August), it is nice you want to see info that is not even piblished yet.

Since Wow was taken out by the Chinese government between June 8th and July 27th, it would be interesting to see how the new launched WotlK will do in the next quarter.

 

there you are going circles again..... very well then, i dont want 2nd quarter numbers, only in august, and since that link you gave me is from december 2008, show me 1st quarter then, the official numbers. Or hasnt that been release yet also... maybe in august?

 

Besides, 11.6 million is not a posterior number, its right there, "its award-winning subscription-based massively multiplayer online role-playing game, is now played by more than 11.5 million subscribers worldwide"    read again, MORE than 11.5 so you have your 11.6 right there in december... i want 2009 numbers

 

Incredible. You are so sad really. You REALY thought I would NOT put up the link ? :)))

You have NO idea who Zorndorf is :))))

Here is the link of the subscriptions of the first quarter 09.

http://www.wow.com/2009/05/07/activision-conference-call-wow-still-at-11-5-million-subscriber/

So the first quarter of 2009 was 11.5 M ... and rising Blizzard confirmed.

On June 5th 2009 Blizzard accepted the price to achieve confirmed 11.6 M from Guiness book laywers.

Now China will have WotlK in the coming weeks :))))

Have a guess :)

 

Wow, way to quote a blog and call it proof. Its an AOL blog no less. If you believe the things you read in every blog on AOL then I have bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
 

I know how happy you get to defend you're source of happiness in life, but face it man, it reached its peak, and soon you will have numbers to support it, either you want it or not, and after the latest events in china, the release of new titles, the staleness of the game and the aging of the product, this isnt far

And I hope you will still be here in august for the 2nd quarter analysis =)

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by Zorndorf

 

Because the previous quarters mentioned 11.5 million.

11.6 million was the statement made in conjuction with the Guiness book people on June 5th.

 

 

The guiness book people gave the award on june 5 refering to the previous year, its muchb like the Oscars =P... what i want is a release of the first and second quarters of 2009 subscription numbers... link me that pls

 

You assumption is false (of course on purpose I suppose).

Why? http://investor.activision.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=355698

---> Because the record of last year in December was 11.5 M, not 11.6 M. Like I said the 11.6 M was a new and higher figure than that "of last year".

As the official report of the 2nd quarter is not even out yet (August), it is nice you want to see info that is not even piblished yet.

Since Wow was taken out by the Chinese government between June 8th and July 27th, it would be interesting to see how the new launched WotlK will do in the next quarter.

 

there you are going circles again..... very well then, i dont want 2nd quarter numbers, only in august, and since that link you gave me is from december 2008, show me 1st quarter then, the official numbers. Or hasnt that been release yet also... maybe in august?

 

Besides, 11.6 million is not a posterior number, its right there, "its award-winning subscription-based massively multiplayer online role-playing game, is now played by more than 11.5 million subscribers worldwide"    read again, MORE than 11.5 so you have your 11.6 right there in december... i want 2009 numbers

 

Incredible. You are so sad really. You REALY thought I would NOT put up the link ? :)))

You have NO idea who Zorndorf is :))))

Here is the link of the subscriptions of the first quarter 09.

http://www.wow.com/2009/05/07/activision-conference-call-wow-still-at-11-5-million-subscriber/

So the first quarter of 2009 was 11.5 M ... and rising Blizzard confirmed.

On June 5th 2009 Blizzard accepted the price to achieve confirmed 11.6 M from Guiness book laywers.

Now China will have WotlK in the coming weeks :))))

Have a guess :)

 

Now he's starting to quote figures off a random blog on a wow fansite mind you .. laughable indeed. Give a link from blizzard stating this information? I'm sure Blizzard would be happy to spreed the word if WoW was doing as great as you say they are....

If its a blizzard conference surely must be a link to an official blizzard page... im certain Zorn will find it.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by tryklon

If its a blizzard conference surely must be a link to an official blizzard page... im certain Zorn will find it.

 

http://seekingalpha.com/article/136299-activision-blizzard-q1-2009-earnings-call-transcript?page=6

;)))

Owned.

This is how I handle Wow hating trolls.$

Facts and figures baby.

:)))))

You must be on fairy land mate, you call that an official site?

And i am not a wow hater, i have 4500 hours of gameplay and i am at the moment raiding.... im a realist