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Sometimes there is truth behind the smiley.  There is no IT department. LMAO

Why do I picture Gollum exploring dusty computers while saying " screenshots,,,, PRECIOUS"?

For the first time I believe a Khestral soundbite without question, guess he doesn't need a paycheck to post them either ... or does he?

Anyone else think it is rather ironic that the gallery is broken, and doesn't show the images he posted?

So... perhaps he DOES need an IT dept....

He probably wasn't supposed to post the screen shots so his boss ran in and deleted them and/or broke the gallery to prevent them from being seen.

My guess is that he knows he is going to be out of a job soon and he wanted there to be some halfway decent screenshots out there to prove that someone actually did some work on this game for when he has to start his job search. No doubt he was told not to post any screen shots of the game because they are keeping all information on the game under wraps as all game developers do when they have a dead game that is going nowhere (thus the reason why we have not seen any screen shots of Duke Nukem Forever recently). So after he posted them without premission someone else came along behind him and quietly sweeped the screen shots away.

It amazes me that there are so many suckers left that are willing to spit shine Khestral's boots over old ass screens presented as "new".

Yet people like yourself continue to slam a game you have no interest in? works both ways ;)

Originally posted by Zorvan

It amazes me that there are so many suckers left that are willing to spit shine Khestral's boots over old ass screens presented as "new".

You might want to read the thread first. Not all those screenshots are new. Then again you would know that if you read the thread.

Originally posted by Tylantia

Yet people like yourself continue to slam a game you have no interest in? works both ways ;)

Calm down there, he didn't slam SGW he was pointing out how lame the PR is. Let's pretend that CME is doing great with everyone getting a paycheck, no one laid off and everyone turning up and getting the game ready to launch. If so I find half a dozen screenies a month from last years Beta to be less than sub standard.

I used to slag off Aventurine and rip into Tasos on the forums at the first opportunity, but Khestral makes Tasos look like a class act! CME make Aventurine look like Gods! I and I'm sure Zorvan would love to play a decent SG MMORPG, but let's face it the company is s*** and SGW is no better than vapourware. If Darkfall was Vapourware then SGW is like a Vapourwares' fart.

Khestral is on those forums playing every fool that will believe him, half a dozen one year old screenies just doesn't cut it in the opinion of most non FanOri gamers. CME and Khestral should be slammed for it, I mean whilst managment were running a pyramid scheme (MMOGULs) in the same building and trying to sell it to employees at CME (Khestral included) Khestral and TKKsnow are blowing rainbow smoke up peoples butts saying it has nothing to do with CME! When all the time Tim Jenson was trying to rope them into MMOGULS! Now he produces half a dozen year old sub standard screenies and you think he shouldn't be slammed for it? All the time KAWWWOOOSSSHHHing his rainbow smoke up your butts by refusing to address issues like why no one is working at CME anymore, why there is no beta, why there is no money, ect.....

No one here is flaming the game SGW, they're flaming the snake oil salesmen like TKKsnow, Khestral and Kevin Balentine. I wanted to play SGW but I guess I'll have to settle for a real game like Darkfall, man life can be so ironic!

Originally posted by Tylantia

Yet people like yourself continue to slam a game you have no interest in? works both ways ;)

I'd love to play a Stargate MMO. CME just cant make one.

Originally posted by ariccaron

Originally posted by Tylantia

Yet people like yourself continue to slam a game you have no interest in? works both ways ;)

I'd love to play a Stargate MMO. CME just cant make one.

I'd never play one published by these crooks and liar. My problem is not with the developers. It's with the management and current community manager.

Originally posted by Tylantia

Yet people like yourself continue to slam a game you have no interest in? works both ways ;)

You say that like we should be out slamming games we have a huge amount of interest in. That would make a whole ton of sense wouldn't it?

Look at it this way. If I move in next door to you, tear down the house located there now and put up a giant billboard that says "everyone sucks but me" are you just going to stand there and let me do it because you aren't "interested" in it? Of course you aren't! You are going to speak out aginst the fact that I'm doing something offensive that is harmful to your neighborhood.

People dislike this game and "slam" Stargate Worlds for the same reason. The game is a perferct example of how NOT to run an MMORPG. Someday it will be remembered as one of the greatest disasters of the entire industry, alongside stinkers like Dark and Light and Shadowbane.

Originally posted by Agricola1

For the first time I believe a Khestral soundbite without question, guess he doesn't need a paycheck to post them either ... or does he?

I normally dont post on CME/SGW stuff but I felt that I should chime in on this.  Doug aka Khestral is probably the most honest and honorable person I have had the opportunity to call a friend.  In the two years that I worked at CME he has always been a positive and dedicated leader there.  Doug always means what he says and doesn't pull punches.  And no he doesn't need a paycheck to be all these things its who he is.  The people who are left at CME are dedicated to the project and to the game.  The one thing you can believe as Long as people like Doug or Conan are still there SGW is still moving forward.

Originally posted by Merxion

Originally posted by Agricola1

For the first time I believe a Khestral soundbite without question, guess he doesn't need a paycheck to post them either ... or does he?

I normally dont post on CME/SGW stuff but I felt that I should chime in on this.  Doug aka Khestral is probably the most honest and honorable person I have had the opportunity to call a friend.  In the two years that I worked at CME he has always been a positive and dedicated leader there.  Doug always means what he says and doesn't pull punches.  And no he doesn't need a paycheck to be all these things its who he is.  The people who are left at CME are dedicated to the project and to the game.  The one thing you can believe as Long as people like Doug or Conan are still there SGW is still moving forward.

I appreciate your loyalty to a friend and he maybe very honest with you, however with the SGW community the guy is a flat out liar. He was being offered an MMOGULs membership from his boss whilst denying it had anything to do with CME on the forums! He goes into work and he sees how few people there are, no managment of any sort and no real work being done yet he tells forum goers otherwise. A Developers wife posts the facts, not breaking the RoC in any form but gets banned. He makes promises he can't keep on a regular basis and has antagonised the community more than once laughing at the misery of fans.

I'm sure if I knew him personally he'd be a decent guy, but I don't and probably never will. I only know the person posting on the forums that has told blatant lies, dropped the ball time and again and poked fun at fans waiting for more information than half a dozen year old screenies and "It'll be done when it's done". That is the issue.

Heath,

Nobody is slamming Doug the man, they are questioning how he is doing his job. When CME was losing employees like fleas jumping off a dog, he pretended everything was great at CME (look here's screen shots from 6 months ago!). There was no reason to cultivate the community when things were in such flux behind the forums.

Upper management has lied to the CME employees about MMOGULS, first about how it had nothing to do with CME, then everyone found out their paychecks were tied to the performance of MMOGULS. How can you continue to work for liars? All you are doing now is helping facilitate Gary steal more money from people, you are not really doing anything now that will get the game to market.

While I am certain he believed his intentions were good, he mislead the community and they are not so forgiving.
 

He hasn't pretended or lied once. Please state the sources to prove me wrong however.

As for the topic as a whole, going over and over and over (yes I'm looking at you agri) while stating its to "speak out" is going to do nothing as far as the game situation is. It does however boost ones e-peen as far as I'm seeing....

Originally posted by Kyriesunset

 How can you continue to work for liars? All you are doing now is helping facilitate Gary steal more money from people, you are not really doing anything now that will get the game to market.

I can actually answer this from my personal perspective.  Funny one day you wake up and you have a software engineering degree and 15 years working in the information systems field 10+ as a manager or director.  One day your buddy says hey man you know how we always joked about working at a MMO company?  Next thing I know I take a pay cut and goto work as one of the IT guys at CME.  Year later things starts falling a part a bunch of people leave.  I get the opportunity to actually work on the game.  Man I was so stoked.  Again this was my lifes dream.  You know what over the last year I learned more about software engineering then 4 years in school.  There are other people there with similar stories.   But there are also people who are industry veterans that really sunk their hearts into this game.  All Games have behind the scenes drama stuff you never see as a player.  Alot of the newer/younger crew just want to get a shipped title and really feel they can get it done.  So when you ask how can you work fore liars I guess my answer to you might sound shallow but, I worked for as long as I could financially afford to not get paid because it was my dream to work in the MMO Industry.  I love the MMO genre i have played just about every pay and f2p mmo out there.  The reality of the situation hit savings finally hit 0 after about 8 payrolls with no pay.  And I made the decision to seek other employment.  Sadly I had to give up.  Honestly if I had another 3 months of pay stocked up I would still be there right now working on the game.   You'll see people like Bob what's his name saying the things he says.  Some of its true some of it isn't I wont argue that.  But when he says the code monkeys that are left cant code its a lie.  I could go on and on.  But if I could convey one thing these guys could get it done I truely believe that.  Mistakes have been made but the game is so  much fun its hard to explain what its like.  

As far as not doing anything that will ge tthe game to market.  Maybe your right maybe your wrong.  I know I was still fixing SGW bugs and adding action/condition code to the system up to when I left.  That moves the product closer to ship.  We could tit for tat all day :).  The people that are left I have so much respect and empathy for their situation.

SGW Team you guys hang tuff until you cant anymore love ya guys

Heath

Originally posted by Tylantia

He hasn't pretended or lied once. Please state the sources to prove me wrong however.

 

As for the topic as a whole, going over and over and over (yes I'm looking at you agri) while stating its to "speak out" is going to do nothing as far as the game situation is. It does however boost ones e-peen as far as I'm seeing....

Well let's be frank, you are a FanOri that believes this game is going to make launch and everything is fine and they're having a media blackout so that they can get some real hard work in. Oh and you believe they're all being paid and that MMOGULs has nothing to do with CME.

Now onto the facts about Khestral, do you remember this thread? click

I couldn't find his original thread promising pics every two weeks (deleted?)

Khestral: "We have been posting screens of the game every two weeks for a bit now" dated June. A lie.

Khestral: "Truth be told we would rather send out quality and not quantity when it comes to shots... we don't want to send out random shot 01 that will not answer questions." Another lie.
 

Khestral: "Even with all the folks looking under every rock I still say this is the best gaming community I have ever worked with in all my years, and for that I thank you" now this is just crazy talk!

Khestral: "I am having a list made to give directly to the prod/dev groups" How does he give it to them directly since they no longer work there?

That's from one thread.

Truth be told I've seen more and better work done on the new sig he has each time he posts, we know about no one getting paid for four months now. I reckon Khestral is one of the few getting paid, unless he can pay his utility bills with enthusiasm for a lost cause and his rent with bull****. If he is working for free then it's for a con man that's using the SG name to run a pyramid scheme and prey upon the poor and desperate during these hard times. Do you realize this? Or do you just choose to pretend it isn't happening?

Concerning the post about all the great people working for free that are progressing game development. You said yourself you knew nothing about actually working on an MMORPG until all the people of consequence left due to not being paid and you were allowed to get your hands on it. To my knowledge no MMORPG company got a game to launch by this method, Even McQuaid kept up with payroll right until the end! This game won't reach launch unless someone is paid to make it, that's a fact. A bunch of guys learning as they go on someone elses work are doing more harm than good, even if they don't know it.

A company that defaults on the payroll for an entire quarter (4 months now) isn't legit, FACT! FanOri or not it's a fact and CME are no longer legit. Also ask Khestral what he knows about MMOGULs, if he's such an up front an honest friend he'll let you know how he was pitched the idea by Tim Jenson a while back ... but keep it a secret!

Originally posted by Merxion

Originally posted by Kyriesunset

 How can you continue to work for liars? All you are doing now is helping facilitate Gary steal more money from people, you are not really doing anything now that will get the game to market.

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It's very easy for me to judge because I am not in this situation, but I don't see how I could ever rationalize helping a dishonest man work a scheme just because it allowed me to work on my life's dream. At what point did you know that MMOGULS was connected to SGW?

I'll back Merxion on the semantics about lying. When CME issues a public statement that it has not contractual agreement with MMOGULS, that is likely true. It neglects to mention the inherent connections between the two entities and the known attempt to profit from them. It technically isn't lying, but it sure as hell is dishonest. I for one don't think SG fans deserve this.

lets face reality. If they can't make payroll, there is no way they can pay for servers and a retail release.

Agricola1,

What if tomorrow a movie star investor puts 50 million more into the game?   Is it still not legit?   What if they reprogram it from zero? What if God programs it himself?  You make some pretty big statements.  I do think success is a steep hill for CME.  Regardless of the failure of CME, can't you attempt a small amount of consideration to the other side?   You make statements that are really not totally, absolutely true.   Perhaps a miracle could happen(?)  Ok, maybe not, but.......hey, why not hope?  I like a lot of your thoughts....but, through the other side a bone a little more often.   You sound like a FanOri of the Anit-FanOri.