Seems like they are trying to appeal to teens and such more and more.  Unless a real crafting type of system is put into place and a overall sense of community is established.  This game could flicker out somewhat quickly.  I would hate to see that happen.  Hopefully Bioware doesn't allow this to take place.  Up to this point, they have been a very solid and smart developer.  This is far to great of a universe to phail with.

Originally posted by TheStarheart

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by TheStarheart

Originally posted by Dameonk

Originally posted by TheStarheart

that sonic RPG for the ds?

Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood

That's a good guess, but it actually received pretty decent reviews.

1up: A
Game Informer: 8.5
Gamespot: 6.5 (fair)
VideoGamer: 8

And it's sold more copies than Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles.

 

Lol IGN also gave it a 6.5. If you noticed, 6.5 out of 10 is 65%, that's barely fucking passing by any real standards. good job though. If i played every barely passing game I'd probably kill myself.

LOL, so he gave you 4 reviews, 3  which give it a 80%-100% raiting and you pick another site that gives it a 65% and you claim it's fail. GG

 There are some more C scores for you. I love bioware but the point he made was to name a game that wasn't "critically acclaimed" by Bioware. I would say this one fits and I'm sure there are more C- to C+ scores around.

Eurogamer 7/10

IGN 6.5/10

Metacritic 74/100

GameRankings 75%

The edmonton team isn't even working on TOR anyway, so he was really going nowhere with his "Bioware does no wrong in the past" post.

True. But there are actually plenty other sites giving it a 7/10 8/10. 3 giving it a  6/10. 6 being fair, 7 being good and 8 being great. I can't find a site giving it a low rating. So in definition that does make it critically acclaimed.

 People are flaming this game for a few main reasons:

1. The game is not going in the direction they wanted and they feel let down.

2. They are not informed.

3. They are afraid that this game may be a hit, but they won't like it for multiple reasons. Jealousy, some people don't want to see this game take a chunk out of WoW or any other game. This is probably the main reason they feel they need to flame the game so that people won't play it, otherwise they would not flame-nobody flames about Oz World. 

Originally posted by tarius11

 People are flaming this game for a few main reasons:

 

1. The game is not going in the direction they wanted and they feel let down.

2. They are not informed.

3. They are afraid that this game may be a hit, but they won't like it for multiple reasons. Jealousy, some people don't want to see this game take a chunk out of WoW or any other game. This is probably the main reason they feel they need to flame the game so that people won't play it, otherwise they would not flame-nobody flames about Oz World. 

Bravo!!  You're #3 hit it right on the head.  All the SWG haters aren't getting the game they want so their logic figures if they call every Star Wars release fail and people actually listen then eventually LA will get back to SWG 2.  All the "hardcore" players that minmax and can level to 80 within 2 weeks don't want a chunk of the MMO community leaving their current MMO, that they are currently kings of the heap, and them having to move to a story driven MMO that they can't power level through right off the bat. 

It is simply too early to say if this is too much SP RPG and to little MMO RPG, we do not know.  It could be that the captain thing, obviously instanced, is like LotRO's epic quests and completely private while much more of the world and content takes place in a large open persistent world.  It could go the other way too being more like AoC with very linear areas, heavily instanced, and largely a solo experience except on certain occasions.

One thing we do know is that Bioware is a talented studio and they make good games.  Past success is no guarantee of future performance, like with stocks, but it is a strong indicator that they get the games they make in terms of knowing what appeals to people and doing quality work.  MMO is new to them but it is not very hard to look and see what it is that really makes and MMO, social, persistent world, groups, etc, etc, etc - obviously the smart people at Bioware are aware of this and will be working not to port an RPG to an MMO but to make their version of an MMO.  Will it be what you want, who knows.

Personally, I think this game will end up falling along the LotRO spectrum of story/sandbox.  For better or worse, that will mean it will have a large mostly open world, some instancing and perhaps more than a hardcore MMO'er would want.  It will be heavily PvE story driven.  It will be solo'able with various challenge content here and there that requires groups and end game stuff that takes groups.  It will be well built and skillfully done but will follow the fewer things working better model rather than the many things working half assed and over time it will grow.  Classes will be few but they will probably be well thought out and balanced.  Classes will be openly unlockable meaning you level the character they built but there will be subtle user choice elements that will make a difference in the character.  Crafting will likely at least start out as gather and assemble but perhaps grow in to more over time.

In the end I think they will build a quality game, one that doesn't appeal to everyone but appeals to many and one that will, I think, be worth at least checking out buy anyone who likes MMOs.

Originally posted by AgtSmith

It is simply too early to say if this is too much SP RPG and to little MMO RPG, we do not know.  It could be that the captain thing, obviously instanced, is like LotRO's epic quests and completely private while much more of the world and content takes place in a large open persistent world.  It could go the other way too being more like AoC with very linear areas, heavily instanced, and largely a solo experience except on certain occasions.

 

One thing we do know is that Bioware is a talented studio and they make good games.  Past success is no guarantee of future performance, like with stocks, but it is a strong indicator that they get the games they make in terms of knowing what appeals to people and doing quality work.  MMO is new to them but it is not very hard to look and see what it is that really makes and MMO, social, persistent world, groups, etc, etc, etc - obviously the smart people at Bioware are aware of this and will be working not to port an RPG to an MMO but to make their version of an MMO.  Will it be what you want, who knows.

 

Personally, I think this game will end up falling along the LotRO spectrum of story/sandbox.  For better or worse, that will mean it will have a large mostly open world, some instancing and perhaps more than a hardcore MMO'er would want.  It will be heavily PvE story driven.  It will be solo'able with various challenge content here and there that requires groups and end game stuff that takes groups.  It will be well built and skillfully done but will follow the fewer things working better model rather than the many things working half assed and over time it will grow.  Classes will be few but they will probably be well thought out and balanced.  Classes will be openly unlockable meaning you level the character they built but there will be subtle user choice elements that will make a difference in the character.  Crafting will likely at least start out as gather and assemble but perhaps grow in to more over time.

 

In the end I think they will build a quality game, one that doesn't appeal to everyone but appeals to many and one that will, I think, be worth at least checking out buy anyone who likes MMOs.

You've summed up my hopes/expectations for SWTOR perfectly.  If the game you describe is the SWTOR we get right out of the box then I will be elated to have found my new time sink of choice.  As you said, it's too early to tell but I hope you're right on the money.

Time will tell, what we have been able to see definitely tells us it is no sandbox EVE/SWG type game.  However, it can still be a very good game, and good MMO.  LotRO was not my cup of tea but it was easily worth the box price and even a sub or two, I suspect at the last SWTOR will be like that and with it being SW and not fantasy even if it is just a SW version of LotRO I will find it much more compelling and likely be able to get many months of entertainment out of it.  And who knows, they could toss in some new things, some things we do not expect, and it could end up being really great.  But again, from what I have seen and what I know of Bioware I very much expect something along the lines of a SW LotRO that is not necessarily my dream of an SWG skill/sandbox game done right without the alpha-class-holocron-sub-saving-hope-they-forget-about-the-rest-of-the-mess stuff it could, and I think likely, will be a good game worth checking out.

The problem i have is that Bioware so far treats all of the core MMO elements as an afterthought.

They keep talking about things they do best (single player story telling).

I don`t want to hear this.

I know Bioware is good at that, I know  the story will be told in a top-notch maner.

I also know that they never made a MMORPG before and they are competing with veteran MMORPG companies.

It`s a different animal and I want to hear their plans about how they will implement core MMO features like crafting, progression, gear , PVP, raiding, their stance on player owned housing, guild functions etc etc.

Imagine if Shaquille announced that he is moving from basketball to Tennis (lol).

Would you assume that he`ll be good at it because it`s just another sport?

Imagine if in his  interviews he keeps yapping about jumping real high.

We know you can jump high Shaq, we know that.

There is not much jumping in tennis, tell us about your swinging a tennis racket skills please.

You get the point.

If Bioware don`t  want people to hate they better start talking about things MMORPG.

I doubt people are hating on tor for not being a 100% sandbox, in my case, I dislike the way tor went because it seems to be taking away a lot from the MMO part of MMORPG, they seem to be focusing on story telling instead of ways to interact with the other players and the world.

This leads to believe the endgame isn't going to be the strong part of the game, and also, it seems to leave guilds behind, at least, nothing they've advertised seems to catter guilds and thats huge for me and many others.

I dont care about no classes or no levels like most sandboxers do, but a little bit of interactivity, specially guild wise, would turn me interested in this game...as it is now...nope.

Originally posted by Benjola

The problem i have is that Bioware so far treats all of the core MMO elements as an afterthought.

They keep talking about things they do best (single player story telling).

I don`t want to hear this.

I know Bioware is good at that, I know  the story will be told in a top-notch maner.

I also know that they never made a MMORPG before and they are competing with veteran MMORPG companies.

It`s a different animal and I want to hear their plans about how they will implement core MMO features like crafting, progression, gear , PVP, raiding, their stance on player owned housing, guild functions etc etc.

 

Imagine if Shaquille announced that he is moving from basketball to Tennis (lol).

Would you assume that he`ll be good at it because it`s just another sport?

Imagine if in his  interviews he keeps yapping about jumping real high.

We know you can jump high Shaq, we know that.

There is not much jumping in tennis, tell us about your swinging a tennis racket skills please.

You get the point.

 

If Bioware don`t  want people to hate they better start talking about things MMORPG.

Thats completely different, BioWare is known for making good games, SP or not.  They are known best for making a certain type of game... thats understandable... shaq was never known for his agility or being good at sports... he's good at basketball.

Anyways,   the MMO genre is ridiculously flooded by the same ol' that doesn't work.  I'd rather see a stronger game being created with a single player mentality.. the use of innovation and skilled design and gameplay execution with Multiplayer being added at the end then trying to manage it as the forefront.

Too many people make the mistake of saying they should put the Massively Multiplayer part of the MMO at the forefront, and you end up with these tired, boring, shoddy mechanics that rarely holds mass attention.   Do you want to know why WoW is so popular where others that seemingly are close to it (with some deviations here and there) often do not make the same impact?  Its because theres no reason to leave WoW.  You aren't leaving for any major change,  a different slice of gameplay, or a new exciting story.

You can still play WoW all day, but there are still single player games people are willing to play... and I think bioware understands that creating a good GAME is what will get players.  Maybe I'm wrong here, but I'd much rather play a game with a strong storyline and a amazing character progession with a multiplayer background then a glorified social network with avatars that incorporates combat and crafting.

you fanbois and fanbots don't get it do you?

we the players know what works in an mmo and pre-cu swg worked uo before trammel worked eq when death ended up meaning something worked and we loved all of that and what is bioware giving us? swg nge 2.0

tell me is that what you really want? a game that you will end up beating with no real end game content no interaction with other players content that will be solo for the most part no mass pvp death will mean nothing i mean it is clear that the game isn't going to be what we mmo players want

no tor is coming out with the idea of getting the kiddies playing their nintendo wii's and ds lites on an mmo that will have nothing in it that makes it an mmo

what we want is what bioware should be giving us tons of professions and skills unlockable jedi not starter jedi mass pvp battles and as for story line i think swg had it right tor should be about the greatest story ever told yours and mine not whatever some hack at bioware came up with

Originally posted by stillkillin

you fanbois and fanbots don't get it do you?

we the players know what works in an mmo and pre-cu swg worked uo before trammel worked eq when death ended up meaning something worked and we loved all of that and what is bioware giving us? swg nge 2.0

And that's why SWG is so well known!  Nobody cares what you like, because your games suck. And NGE 2? Seriously? KoToR = SWG but 2? With a even more Enhanced New Game Enhancement? Where can I try it at? Because so far from the videos I have seen nothing but the opposite of SWG, or the NGE for that matter. Mad SWG vet Is mad. Typical.

tell me is that what you really want? a game that you will end up beating with no real end game content

SWG Pre-NGE had this? Was it spectacualar and worth mentioning if so?

no interaction with other players content that will be solo for the most part

It seems to me they are encouraging group play. As the video shows. Seems more fun to group up with friends. But I guess if you have no friends this could be a problem. Is that what you are worried about?

no mass pvp death will mean nothing i mean it is clear that the game isn't going to be what we mmo players want

I play MMOs I want this game. And where are you getting mass pvp deaths wont mean anything. Did I miss something?

no tor is coming out with the idea of getting the kiddies playing their nintendo wii's and ds lites on an mmo that will have nothing in it that makes it an mmo

THIS GAME HAS MOTION SENSORING?!

what we want is what bioware should be giving us tons of professions and skills unlockable jedi not starter jedi

Ok, OK ok, So you want useless professions. Make Jedi what you are implying it is for (kiddies). And how are you implying that? Making it unlockable makes it more important right? I'm starting to think this is a troll post. Eh maybe not, typical angry vet post. Pretty much the same I guess.

mass pvp battles

But you just said it will have mass pvp battles, but you said death won't matter I'm confused because you are confused and in your confusing you confused me. damn you.

and as for story line i think swg had it right

You mean that little Biography box they gave you. Which often started out with "Was a slave child and escaped". Cool story bro.

tor should be about the greatest story ever told yours and mine not whatever some hack at bioware came up with

There is a reason you're an angry SWG Vet complaining about story and that "hack" at BioWare is making the story. Your story sucked.

Originally posted by stillkillin

you fanbois and fanbots don't get it do you?

we the players know what works in an mmo and pre-cu swg worked uo before trammel worked eq when death ended up meaning something worked and we loved all of that and what is bioware giving us? swg nge 2.0

tell me is that what you really want? a game that you will end up beating with no real end game content no interaction with other players content that will be solo for the most part no mass pvp death will mean nothing i mean it is clear that the game isn't going to be what we mmo players want

no tor is coming out with the idea of getting the kiddies playing their nintendo wii's and ds lites on an mmo that will have nothing in it that makes it an mmo

what we want is what bioware should be giving us tons of professions and skills unlockable jedi not starter jedi mass pvp battles and as for story line i think swg had it right tor should be about the greatest story ever told yours and mine not whatever some hack at bioware came up with

What I DON'T want is for BioWare to go BACKWARDS in time and bring me SWG preNGE.  I loved SWG PreNGE.. I absolutely loved it, 

That was a completely different game, by a completely different developer in a completely different time period.  SWG  was immensely fun with a great community and fantastic professions with lots of fun stuff to do that made me want to log in every day.

But this is a BioWare game, and I don't want bioware to make a new version of SWG.. I want them to use their creative instincts to make what THEY envision SWToR should be.... and from what I've seen... this isn't the NGE 2.0....  and I'm not going to whine or cry about what it is or what it isn't.  The game is nowhere near release and everything I've seen on it so far has made me want nothing more then to play it.

So to the SWG vets (myself included)  Yeah we understand you know what you want... you want the old SWG, this isn't it, so you can accept this game as being different and still being good, or you can't and you can continue to whine about what this game isn't going to be.  Guess which one I'm gunna do?

Originally posted by stillkillin

you fanbois and fanbots don't get it do you?

we the players know what works in an mmo and pre-cu swg worked uo before trammel worked eq when death ended up meaning something worked and we loved all of that and what is bioware giving us? swg nge 2.0

tell me is that what you really want? a game that you will end up beating with no real end game content no interaction with other players content that will be solo for the most part no mass pvp death will mean nothing i mean it is clear that the game isn't going to be what we mmo players want

no tor is coming out with the idea of getting the kiddies playing their nintendo wii's and ds lites on an mmo that will have nothing in it that makes it an mmo

what we want is what bioware should be giving us tons of professions and skills unlockable jedi not starter jedi mass pvp battles and as for story line i think swg had it right tor should be about the greatest story ever told yours and mine not whatever some hack at bioware came up with

Again, you cannot say the thing about SWTOR you seem to be saying based on the little seen so far.  Yes, we can clearly see this is not a sanbox EVE/SWG game, but other than knowing it is not that we really do not know what it is yet as it is very early and little has been released.

Originally posted by Benjola

The problem i have is that Bioware so far treats all of the core MMO elements as an afterthought.

They keep talking about things they do best (single player story telling).

I don`t want to hear this.

I know Bioware is good at that, I know  the story will be told in a top-notch maner.

I also know that they never made a MMORPG before and they are competing with veteran MMORPG companies.

It`s a different animal and I want to hear their plans about how they will implement core MMO features like crafting, progression, gear , PVP, raiding, their stance on player owned housing, guild functions etc etc.

 

Imagine if Shaquille announced that he is moving from basketball to Tennis (lol).

Would you assume that he`ll be good at it because it`s just another sport?

Imagine if in his  interviews he keeps yapping about jumping real high.

We know you can jump high Shaq, we know that.

There is not much jumping in tennis, tell us about your swinging a tennis racket skills please.

You get the point.

 

If Bioware don`t  want people to hate they better start talking about things MMORPG.

Again, based on what are you so sure you know what this game is?  It is very early, all they have released is overview stuff - none of the nitty gritty stuff is out or is likely to be out until much, much closer to live.  That nitty gritty stuff is the MMO stuff, at this stage all games are talking about high level story and heroic and cinematic constructs rather than boring little details about sharding and group mechanics and end game stuff and whatnot.  Such things are not what you talk about so far out, so the lack of info about them doesn't mean SWTOR is KOTR with a chat box and assuming it does is really naive.

Originally posted by maskedweasel 

 

What I DON'T want is for BioWare to go BACKWARDS in time and bring me SWG preNGE.  I loved SWG PreNGE.. I absolutely loved it, 

 

That was a completely different game, by a completely different developer in a completely different time period.  SWG  was immensely fun with a great community and fantastic professions with lots of fun stuff to do that made me want to log in every day.

 

But this is a BioWare game, and I don't want bioware to make a new version of SWG.. I want them to use their creative instincts to make what THEY envision SWToR should be.... and from what I've seen... this isn't the NGE 2.0....  and I'm not going to whine or cry about what it is or what it isn't.  The game is nowhere near release and everything I've seen on it so far has made me want nothing more then to play it.

 

So to the SWG vets (myself included)  Yeah we understand you know what you want... you want the old SWG, this isn't it, so you can accept this game as being different and still being good, or you can't and you can continue to whine about what this game isn't going to be.  Guess which one I'm gunna do?

I think that is well said.  I loved SWG in many respects, the fact that I played it for months and had no idea what a 'quest' was, the player driven activities and gameplay.  I hated how they whored Jedi to extend subs rather than fixing the problems of a too early launch but that is another issue.  The reality is that for now, sandbox skill based is dead and buried because of the difficulties of balancing such games and getting them to appeal to a broad audience weighed against the staggering development costs of AAA MMOs.  It sucks but that is the reality.  Just like Hollywood is going to apply its lame 'formula' to all it s big IP films MMOs with big budgets and big IPs are going to cost a ton and therefore be directed to the broadest audience, such is life.  The next great sandbox MMO will come but it will not have a big studio involved and not be based on a popular or even know IP.  Now that doesn't mean that summer flick cannot be a fun popcorn movie but if you are going expecting it to be something it is not you will never be happy.

And again, all that being said, it is too early to say how linear, how SPish, how non MMOish SWTOR will be as we simply do not have enough info to know.  But we do know Bioware is a talented studio and that they are investing sizable resources and a big chunk of reputation and their future on SWTOR so it is pretty silly to presume they would think that they could add chat to KOTR and get $15 a month - these are not stupid people.  Yes, SWTOR may not end up being a game you like, or your ideal game - but it is very likely that it will be a high quality MMO even if a high quality MMO of a style that is not your ideal.

Originally posted by stillkillin

you fanbois and fanbots don't get it do you?

we the players know what works in an mmo and pre-cu swg worked uo before trammel worked eq when death ended up meaning something worked and we loved all of that and what is bioware giving us? swg nge 2.0

I should have stopped reading right here.  Basic SWG vet rant.  WAAAAAA...bring back my game....WAAAAA...  Don't know what part of NOT A SANDBOX you cats don't understand?!?!

What difference does it make if everyone can start as a Jedi?  If you are any good then it won't matter.  I've played overpopulated classes in games and still do (original main on WoW was a hunter).  Fact is cream rises to the top in MMOs just like any other game.  When you're actually good you will spend most days trying not to let your head get too big from the praise of not being a retard and knowing how to play your class.  If you feel you need to complain about everyone being able to be epic, heroic, Jedi then you're more than likely lacking in the skill department and should stick to crafting in games anyway.

Originally posted by StuBidasoe

Originally posted by stillkillin

you fanbois and fanbots don't get it do you?

we the players know what works in an mmo and pre-cu swg worked uo before trammel worked eq when death ended up meaning something worked and we loved all of that and what is bioware giving us? swg nge 2.0

 

I should have stopped reading right here.  Basic SWG vet rant.  WAAAAAA...bring back my game....WAAAAA...  Don't know what part of NOT A SANDBOX you cats don't understand?!?!

What difference does it make if everyone can start as a Jedi?  If you are any good then it won't matter.  I've played overpopulated classes in games and still do (original main on WoW was a hunter).  Fact is cream rises to the top in MMOs just like any other game.  When you're actually good you will spend most days trying not to let your head get too big from the praise of not being a retard and knowing how to play your class.  If you feel you need to complain about everyone being able to be epic, heroic, Jedi then you're more than likely lacking in the skill department and should stick to crafting in games anyway.

jedi should be special something that players unlock by working hard for it and yes it should be much more powerful then other professions.

and you people are the ones that don't get it look around i see more people asking for games like swg pre-cu then the lame wow clones everyone likes to make and make no misstake that is what tor is only it is being made for this whole casual gaming fad along with the console kiddies who are also a fad and will soon go back to watching wwf or mtv

Originally posted by stillkillin

Originally posted by StuBidasoe

Originally posted by stillkillin

you fanbois and fanbots don't get it do you?

we the players know what works in an mmo and pre-cu swg worked uo before trammel worked eq when death ended up meaning something worked and we loved all of that and what is bioware giving us? swg nge 2.0

 

I should have stopped reading right here.  Basic SWG vet rant.  WAAAAAA...bring back my game....WAAAAA...  Don't know what part of NOT A SANDBOX you cats don't understand?!?!

What difference does it make if everyone can start as a Jedi?  If you are any good then it won't matter.  I've played overpopulated classes in games and still do (original main on WoW was a hunter).  Fact is cream rises to the top in MMOs just like any other game.  When you're actually good you will spend most days trying not to let your head get too big from the praise of not being a retard and knowing how to play your class.  If you feel you need to complain about everyone being able to be epic, heroic, Jedi then you're more than likely lacking in the skill department and should stick to crafting in games anyway.

 

jedi should be special something that players unlock by working hard for it and yes it should be much more powerful then other professions.

and you people are the ones that don't get it look around i see more people asking for games like swg pre-cu then the lame wow clones everyone likes to make and make no misstake that is what tor is only it is being made for this whole casual gaming fad along with the console kiddies who are also a fad and will soon go back to watching wwf or mtv

You sir... are, quite the fanatic.  Sorry bud but SWG pre NGE is over.  I had to get over it, its time you do to.  ToR isn't a WoW clone, and theres no possible way you can prove that it is, the game is nowhere near release.  They will not change the game because you are whining.  ToR games are unique in their own way.. and some of the most popular star wars games out there on any platform.  Also, consoles aren't going anywhere... if this game actually makes it to a console you'll see subscriptions jump tremendously.   Anyways.....  have fun trying to prove your point that everyone wants SWG pre NGE back... you can do that until you're blue in the face... in the end we'll have ToR.. and you'll have an idea of your perfect Star Wars game.

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by stillkillin

Originally posted by StuBidasoe

Originally posted by stillkillin

you fanbois and fanbots don't get it do you?

we the players know what works in an mmo and pre-cu swg worked uo before trammel worked eq when death ended up meaning something worked and we loved all of that and what is bioware giving us? swg nge 2.0

 

I should have stopped reading right here.  Basic SWG vet rant.  WAAAAAA...bring back my game....WAAAAA...  Don't know what part of NOT A SANDBOX you cats don't understand?!?!

What difference does it make if everyone can start as a Jedi?  If you are any good then it won't matter.  I've played overpopulated classes in games and still do (original main on WoW was a hunter).  Fact is cream rises to the top in MMOs just like any other game.  When you're actually good you will spend most days trying not to let your head get too big from the praise of not being a retard and knowing how to play your class.  If you feel you need to complain about everyone being able to be epic, heroic, Jedi then you're more than likely lacking in the skill department and should stick to crafting in games anyway.

 

jedi should be special something that players unlock by working hard for it and yes it should be much more powerful then other professions.

and you people are the ones that don't get it look around i see more people asking for games like swg pre-cu then the lame wow clones everyone likes to make and make no misstake that is what tor is only it is being made for this whole casual gaming fad along with the console kiddies who are also a fad and will soon go back to watching wwf or mtv

 

You sir... are, quite the fanatic.  Sorry bud but SWG pre NGE is over.  I had to get over it, its time you do to.  ToR isn't a WoW clone, and theres no possible way you can prove that it is, the game is nowhere near release.  They will not change the game because you are whining.  ToR games are unique in their own way.. and some of the most popular star wars games out there on any platform.  Also, consoles aren't going anywhere... if this game actually makes it to a console you'll see subscriptions jump tremendously.   Anyways.....  have fun trying to prove your point that everyone wants SWG pre NGE back... you can do that until you're blue in the face... in the end we'll have ToR.. and you'll have an idea of your perfect Star Wars game.

yes we all know tor will more then likely be out in 2012 or 2013 and that gives us time

we need to show bioware that the game that they have right now sucks and we need to get out there and demand bioware give us the game that we the players want not what they think we want

and to you and that other person claiming your swg vets how sad how sad that you will take a watered down mmo title that has star wars on the front of it rather then our pre-cu system. do you remember how much fun the pre-cu was? do you remember how if $OE had only fixed it we would have given wow a run for its money?

swg pre-cu is what every game on the market should try and be and you should be on the swg vet forum helping with the good fight to get our game back and if swg isn't going to come back then tor must be the game that replaces what was stolen from us

Originally posted by stillkillin

 

yes we all know tor will more then likely be out in 2012 or 2013 and that gives us time

It will out sooner then you think. It would be pretty ludicrous to believe this game will take another 2-3 years.

we need to show bioware that the game that they have right now sucks and we need to get out there and demand bioware give us the game that we the players want not what they think we want

You're trying to speak for everyone. Hopefully they ignore people like you. What exactly sucks about this game by the way?

and to you and that other person claiming your swg vets how sad how sad that you will take a watered down mmo title that has star wars on the front of it rather then our pre-cu system. do you remember how much fun the pre-cu was?

SWG Pre-CU was fun. But in all reality it was flawed, buggy, and still is today. I can understand the appeal of "creating" your own story and what not. But in the end there was nothing truly exciting to do. Decorate your house, regrind up some other skill boxes (in the squill caves with 24 other people), PvP (only fun thing to do after maxing a proffession), or stand around in a cantina and talk about nothing. Did I mention only being able to create 1 toon per server per account? SWG was never really good, and most people want that game/memory to die with SoE and not be resurrected by BioWare.

do you remember how if $OE had only fixed it we would have given wow a run for its money?

Yeah, so you understand you need to take this up with SoE right? BioWare had nothing to do with SWG. And there is a huge gap in what type of game they are and what era it's in. People have been screaming for a KoToR MMO. It just seems those people got chosen over you and the rest of the Vets still upset over a game that died a few years back. So I'll pass you a friendly tip, get over it. SWG is not coming back. Your best chances are SoE releasing a Pre-Cu server. And that will never happen. Time to move on.

swg pre-cu is what every game on the market should try and be and you should be on the swg vet forum helping with the good fight to get our game back and if swg isn't going to come back then tor must be the game that replaces what was stolen from us

There is nothing good about your fight. It seems really unhealthy to me. And the fact that you are attacking BioWare for not giving you what you want (boo hoo) it shows how vindictive you really are. And that goes for anybody that follows your piss poor example. And you know I'm not talking about all Vets, just the ones like you. It's actually nice to see some level headed Pre-Cu players. They recognize it sucks that Pre-CU is gone, but they won't complain about it. They let it go. Anyways, you keep fighting that "good" fight. I figure that fight will last your entire life. And the sad part is, people like you will still be upset about it on there deathbeds.

The problem is all the fanboys(cant stand fanboys, its thoose people that ruins game, they are pleased with everything delivered to them), they are always talking about how awsome the game will be, and how it will kill this and that mmo ect ect. They are full of shit basicly, they know as little as everyone else about this game, but yet they have the need to go on with theire mindless ramble.

The real funny part is how this guys/gals are defending TOR from critics with words like: Dude, we dont know anything about the game yet, its still in progress. Seems abit hypocritical to mee.