Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Ramonski7
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I do not feel the need to convince anyone about the immaturity of the WOW player base. The maturity level of the WOW  player base is legendary. And if you had read my post before allowing your vision to be blurred by the need to defend your game you would have seen where i stated that its not only these boards where WOW is known to be infested with immature people. Play any MMO and ask in general if anyone has played WOW and read the remarks,  even other people playing WOW will comment on it as well. But dont take my word for it , me and all others who find fault are just cookie hunting trolls that  hate WOW because its so wonderful.

You're kidding right?

The maturity of the WoW player base varies, much like these boards. To blindly generalize about the entire community based on some is ignorant and foolish. Every community has people that are immature. Since WoW is so popular of course they have a higher number and get more attention.

Your play an MMO and ask about WoW would be even better proof. It brings out immature players in those games, usually blind wow haters.

Originally posted by kalaren

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Ramonski7
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I do not feel the need to convince anyone about the immaturity of the WOW player base. The maturity level of the WOW  player base is legendary. And if you had read my post before allowing your vision to be blurred by the need to defend your game you would have seen where i stated that its not only these boards where WOW is known to be infested with immature people. Play any MMO and ask in general if anyone has played WOW and read the remarks,  even other people playing WOW will comment on it as well. But dont take my word for it , me and all others who find fault are just cookie hunting trolls that  hate WOW because its so wonderful.

You're kidding right?

The maturity of the WoW player base varies, much like these boards. To blindly generalize about the entire community based on some is ignorant and foolish. Every community has people that are immature. Since WoW is so popular of course they have a higher number and get more attention.

Your play an MMO and ask about WoW would be even better proof. It brings out immature players in those games, usually blind wow haters.

But on average you would have to agree WoW has the worst community of players in any MMO, no one can doubt this if you have played the game. I just hope they don't all run to aion when they find out that it's a far superior game, like they have done in the asian market.

Originally posted by Martie

Alot of clowns on this site whine just about everything god dman thign they can.  Its just turned into to one big whining bitch clown forum.

Lol whining about whiners, lol self-owned.

Also I never saw the value in twinks. Can someone explain to me the fun in twinks?

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Originally posted by Martie

Alot of clowns on this site whine just about everything god dman thign they can.  Its just turned into to one big whining bitch clown forum.

 

Lol whining about whiners, lol self-owned.

Also I never saw the value in twinks. Can someone explain to me the fun in twinks?

 

I think you need to be a complete ****er to understand the fun in twinks. I gave up trying.

However, just to defend WoW a bit - none of this is new. In EQ1 people would level up to 50, gear up and then delevel back to 15 or whatever keeping all the gear and level 50 skills plus the smacktalk on the PvP servers was much worse than Barrens chat.

-- Suckyranger(15) hits DeleveledUberTwinkW***er(15) for 1 pt of damage.

-- DeleveledUberTwinkW***er(15) hits Suckyranger(15) for a gazillion pts of damage.

It's not so much what they do but the smacktalk after - it's the game equivalent of beating up a little kid and then bragging over it.

The trouble is you can't fight them without becoming like them i.e you also have to try and think in terms of creating zero risk even though it's just pixels. Every time i've tried to do that I've felt so scuzzy I had to stop.

Originally posted by kalaren

You're kidding right?

The maturity of the WoW player base varies, much like these boards. To blindly generalize about the entire community based on some is ignorant and foolish. Every community has people that are immature. Since WoW is so popular of course they have a higher number and get more attention.

Your play an MMO and ask about WoW would be even better proof. It brings out immature players in those games, usually blind wow haters.

It ALSO, brings out the players who feel WOW has done a disservice to the Genre, has added or enlarged portions of the genre that ruin community. You assume that many people who dislike or hate wow have never played wow.

WoW pvp is lame. if the OP is helping Blizzard realize how lame it is quicker..then more power to him.

they're good changes but twinking is pretty lame. I can see it from the perspective of the twinker it's fun twinking, but the low level BGs are twink-grounds. I have always thought there should be an x amount of xp/honor you can earn in a BG level-range before being divided into a second bracket. Admittedly it might dwindle numbers and increases waiting time though.

Originally posted by Riesig09

Thanks for reinforcing what I already suspected about twinkers, most are cowards how want to be the big boy on the block. Too bad your twinking doesn't extend to real life, where you are probably a weakling, both physically and of will. If you can't be a bully in real life, why not be a bully in a game eh? You don't have to worry about anyone getting back at you because there is no way to get back besides twinking themselves, and they don't want to waste their time, so they quit doing low level BGs.

Blizzard wants people to continue playing WoW, and people like you drive them away.

All I can say is get to 80 where the real PvP'ers are, you probably get roflstomped due to lack of skill, which you make up for with gear when you twink.

You know I have twinked a few toons and most of them I just leveled. I still managed top 4 finished with a level 19 29 enhancement shaman with crappy gear and a shield. I have a hunter with quest greens getting top 3 on a regular basis and recently got 4th to 5th place with a level 33 warlock in the 39 bracket while i was  just getting honor out of boredom. Now heres my problem, most of the people like you always blame the gear but no matter how good your gear is you still can barely make next to last on the kill list and are usually too scared to leave the graveyard or flag room or whatnot. Also usually the first people to yell to just give up its not worth it, or you guys hurry up and win i have to go somewhere kind of crap.

See other players with some aptitude for the game no matter the gear level will kill you sometimes, the reason there is no way for some one like you to get sweet revenge is that nine times out of ten you dont hotkey, you keyboard turn, you get scared and keyboard smash. Now I wont lie I am currently twinking a warlock for the 39 bracket just in time for 3.2 in which case im turning exp off to get the hell away from spineless worms like yourself. And while my games will be competitive to be sure, at least some sniveling bottom feeder wont be in the background buzzing in my ear to just give up it's too hard.

As for 80 pvp which you probably have no idea about, where do you think people get twinks from.. most are bored  80s who already have either done all the raiding they want to do, or already have done arena. Why do you think its soo easy for us to beat the crap out of you?

Its not gear, its because you suck.

Originally posted by supbro

Originally posted by kalaren

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Ramonski7
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I do not feel the need to convince anyone about the immaturity of the WOW player base. The maturity level of the WOW  player base is legendary. And if you had read my post before allowing your vision to be blurred by the need to defend your game you would have seen where i stated that its not only these boards where WOW is known to be infested with immature people. Play any MMO and ask in general if anyone has played WOW and read the remarks,  even other people playing WOW will comment on it as well. But dont take my word for it , me and all others who find fault are just cookie hunting trolls that  hate WOW because its so wonderful.

You're kidding right?

The maturity of the WoW player base varies, much like these boards. To blindly generalize about the entire community based on some is ignorant and foolish. Every community has people that are immature. Since WoW is so popular of course they have a higher number and get more attention.

Your play an MMO and ask about WoW would be even better proof. It brings out immature players in those games, usually blind wow haters.

 

But on average you would have to agree WoW has the worst community of players in any MMO, no one can doubt this if you have played the game. I just hope they don't all run to aion when they find out that it's a far superior game, like they have done in the asian market.

Actually I think the community is ok, but I have been around long enough to see some really bad communities.  Like many free to play games just for example.

I saw the community in ultima online which was so horrible to players that it forced Origins to change the core mechanics of the game, because griefing was so out of hand it was actually affecting their ability to draw in new players.

I saw how toxic the everquest community was that it forced SOE to design and implement a set of rules call "the play nice policy".  How bad must a community be for a company to make such a thing.   If anyone was around before eqvault actually started enforcing the forum rules would remember just how toxic that community was. 

I laugh when people get their panties in a bunch over chuck norris jokes and cry about how bad the community is.  It is just sad how thin skinned some people are these days.  They have no idea what a bad community is, like when one guild purposefully kills the sleeper just to cock block the progression of all the guilds below themselves.  To have a gang of players exploit a bug and clean out all of your belongings from your house stealing months/years of work. 

To listen to people moan about a community laughing over something as trivial as chuck norris jokes is just sad in comparison. 

As for grandpagamers suggestion, let anyone try it.  Go ask in any mmo about wow and watch the comments.  Then really listen to the tone and words used.  Maybe even try suggesting you like wow over the game you are in and watch the community turn into a 5 headed hydra of hate and bile. 

Bigger communities offer safe refuge for asshats to blend in.  Small communities become elitiest hive minded jackasses to anyone who doesn't conform.  Every games has its community problems that fall somewhere on that scale.  Be it an extreme or somewhere in the middle, mmo players are the same everywhere.  It is not limited to just 1 game.

Originally posted by Martie

Its just turned into to one big whining bitch clown forum.

Hi, I saw this comment and I agree. The way you put it made me laugh, though.

Originally posted by patrikd23

Originally posted by neobamboom

 WoW, Blizzard is trying to rip yet another MMO..... soon everyone will be calling this an innovation.

 

Wow stupid people keep surprising me yet ones again. Blizzard is not ripping of mmo, they take bacis of an idea and polish it and add new stuff with style. Which is why they never fail. You will see. So every Car is a copy of T-Ford? And every 3D mmo is a copy or ripoff from EQ?

I get tired of the silly word "polish" to describe MMOs. 

Originally posted by tupodawg999

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Originally posted by Martie

Alot of clowns on this site whine just about everything god dman thign they can.  Its just turned into to one big whining bitch clown forum.

 

Lol whining about whiners, lol self-owned.

Also I never saw the value in twinks. Can someone explain to me the fun in twinks?

 

 

I think you need to be a complete ****er to understand the fun in twinks. I gave up trying.

However, just to defend WoW a bit - none of this is new. In EQ1 people would level up to 50, gear up and then delevel back to 15 or whatever keeping all the gear and level 50 skills plus the smacktalk on the PvP servers was much worse than Barrens chat.

-- Suckyranger(15) hits DeleveledUberTwinkW***er(15) for 1 pt of damage.

-- DeleveledUberTwinkW***er(15) hits Suckyranger(15) for a gazillion pts of damage.

It's not so much what they do but the smacktalk after - it's the game equivalent of beating up a little kid and then bragging over it.

The trouble is you can't fight them without becoming like them i.e you also have to try and think in terms of creating zero risk even though it's just pixels. Every time i've tried to do that I've felt so scuzzy I had to stop.

I don't care for WoW either but I have to agree with this fella. Really it isn't World of Warcraft that brings out this childish immature behaviour. I am starting to believe in any PvP game you are going to have a pretty bad community unless there are penalties to PvPing such as in Lineage 2 or Ultima Online.

So yes I believe WoW's community is pretty bad but its not just because it is WoW. I believe it is because of a system that allows griefing with no consequences. 

Originally posted by Greenie

Originally posted by kalaren

You're kidding right?

The maturity of the WoW player base varies, much like these boards. To blindly generalize about the entire community based on some is ignorant and foolish. Every community has people that are immature. Since WoW is so popular of course they have a higher number and get more attention.

Your play an MMO and ask about WoW would be even better proof. It brings out immature players in those games, usually blind wow haters.

It ALSO, brings out the players who feel WOW has done a disservice to the Genre, has added or enlarged portions of the genre that ruin community. You assume that many people who dislike or hate wow have never played wow.

 

Key word being feel, as in opinion. What people feel WoW has done is irrelavent and I'm sure many people including myself, feel it improved MMOs . Fact is they expanded the market so more companies are willing to spend money on MMO projects.

Edit: spelling and want to add something. If one person feels a game has done a disservice then avoid it and games like it, they can keep playing whatever they want. That person doesn't get to choose for others though. Some stay, some leave. Those that leave, do so because something else interests them.

Also if enough of the market feels the way you do someone is going to cater to your needs. Expecting priority though when you aren't the largest market is foolish.

Ok first of all it is a game, on a general level why do people enjoy pvp? It is fun to beat other people at a game.

Next, why do people hate twinks? Because they are seemingly impossible to kill, this takes away the possibility of winning and beating them at the game. I.e. no more fun since you are stuck as the loser.

This situation breeds the mentality that people who play twinks suck, they have no lives, and they do it just so they can feel better about themselves. Well what are you actually trying to achieve in this game, to kill another person, and that is what makes it fun, so twinks are made so they can have fun, sadly it then isn't fun for people who are stuck being dominated but grow up it is a game, and they just are better at it because they found a away to get better gear than you in the first place and therefore are a better player at the game, not worse as people so claim. All you have to do is level to 80 and then make your own twink and then you can have fun too.

But in the long run any way twinks aren't going to fix the pvp problem, say they eliminate twinks, well they some class is going to still stand out and be better than the rest, then guess what anyone who plays that class is a tard, etc. etc. etc. The reality is this game will never be fair and balance innless for some reason blizzard eliminated every other class than warriors, and not one was allowed to have any different gear or abilities, suddenly it is perfectly fair and completely skill based but guess what it is fun anymore. The only reason anyone enjoys pvp is because of the advantage they have, whether it is a twink or one class over another it is the same thing.

I also find the argument that it takes skill to pvp at 80 and it is fair and balance at 80 a laughable one. At 80 you just get put into a forced twinking situation. A twink is a character that is or has obtained the best gear possible for its level. At 80 all you do is pvp to gain honor, and/or arena points (through arena pvp obviously), to get the best gear possible at your level to help you "pwn noobs". I don’t see any difference in this situation where you place opponents with the top end arena gear vs. a team with; let’s just say for argument reasons, Blue crafted pvp items, typical of people who just turned 80. They have no chance of wining and it is not dependent on skill at all, if the team with the far superior gear isn't face rolling on their keyboard they have a much better chance at winning. They characters are just blatantly stronger, now the degree to which they are stronger may not be as much as a twink vs. a toon just leveling but it is still bad.

Overall it just comes down to people complaining about pvp in general. The sad fact is if someone puts more time into this game then you do they are going to have an advantage, twinks aren't easy to make, and neither is getting the best gear at 80, this game is not fair and balanced and it can't be, other wise it wouldn't be any fun.
 

Originally posted by GreenChaos

I really wish WoW players would stop misusing the word twink.

Twink
An attractive, boyish-looking, young gay man. The stereotypical twink is 18-22, slender with little or no body hair, often blonde, dresses in club wear even at 10:00 AM, and is not particularly intelligent. A twink is the gay answer to the blonde bimbo cheerleader.

And WoW has been lame for 3 years why are you still playing it?

I think your definition fits the WoW player that takes the actions the OP suggests very well. (Minus the attractive part)

Originally posted by Replica2266

Ok first of all it is a game, on a general level why do people enjoy pvp? It is fun to beat other people at a game.

Next, why do people hate twinks? Because they are seemingly impossible to kill, this takes away the possibility of winning and beating them at the game. I.e. no more fun since you are stuck as the loser.

This situation breeds the mentality that people who play twinks suck, they have no lives, and they do it just so they can feel better about themselves. Well what are you actually trying to achieve in this game, to kill another person, and that is what makes it fun, so twinks are made so they can have fun, sadly it then isn't fun for people who are stuck being dominated but grow up it is a game, and they just are better at it because they found a away to get better gear than you in the first place and therefore are a better player at the game, not worse as people so claim. All you have to do is level to 80 and then make your own twink and then you can have fun too.

But in the long run any way twinks aren't going to fix the pvp problem, say they eliminate twinks, well they some class is going to still stand out and be better than the rest, then guess what anyone who plays that class is a tard, etc. etc. etc. The reality is this game will never be fair and balance innless for some reason blizzard eliminated every other class than warriors, and not one was allowed to have any different gear or abilities, suddenly it is perfectly fair and completely skill based but guess what it is fun anymore. The only reason anyone enjoys pvp is because of the advantage they have, whether it is a twink or one class over another it is the same thing.

I also find the argument that it takes skill to pvp at 80 and it is fair and balance at 80 a laughable one. At 80 you just get put into a forced twinking situation. A twink is a character that is or has obtained the best gear possible for its level. At 80 all you do is pvp to gain honor, and/or arena points (through arena pvp obviously), to get the best gear possible at your level to help you "pwn noobs". I don’t see any difference in this situation where you place opponents with the top end arena gear vs. a team with; let’s just say for argument reasons, Blue crafted pvp items, typical of people who just turned 80. They have no chance of wining and it is not dependent on skill at all, if the team with the far superior gear isn't face rolling on their keyboard they have a much better chance at winning. They characters are just blatantly stronger, now the degree to which they are stronger may not be as much as a twink vs. a toon just leveling but it is still bad.

Overall it just comes down to people complaining about pvp in general. The sad fact is if someone puts more time into this game then you do they are going to have an advantage, twinks aren't easy to make, and neither is getting the best gear at 80, this game is not fair and balanced and it can't be, other wise it wouldn't be any fun.
 

He gets it!  This guy gets it!!

Winning is fun.  Messing with Blizz is fun!!  Losing is a drag!!  Jumping through Blizzard's hoops is a drag.

You know hwat made me make my first twink?  Getting pwned by a twink.  I was such a noob in 2005.  I asked my friends what happened they said he has the best gear you can get so he won.  I HAD to beat that guy, and I did.  How is that different than working to beat a boss.  I think it is better because the boss is an AI and they twink I pwned is infinelty smarter and harder to kill.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Anyone doubting the WOW player base is immature  really need s to read this thread. I find it fascinating that people find their machismo in internet forums while talking about pwning noobs in a video game. Carry on by all means, i enjoy the humor of your seriousness of being uber awsome in Wsg.

 

It is rather amusing to see people trying to be all "badass" when their game of choice is... WOW.

ROFL

 

Originally posted by Kamandi777

Originally posted by Replica2266

Ok first of all it is a game, on a general level why do people enjoy pvp? It is fun to beat other people at a game.

Next, why do people hate twinks? Because they are seemingly impossible to kill, this takes away the possibility of winning and beating them at the game. I.e. no more fun since you are stuck as the loser.

This situation breeds the mentality that people who play twinks suck, they have no lives, and they do it just so they can feel better about themselves. Well what are you actually trying to achieve in this game, to kill another person, and that is what makes it fun, so twinks are made so they can have fun, sadly it then isn't fun for people who are stuck being dominated but grow up it is a game, and they just are better at it because they found a away to get better gear than you in the first place and therefore are a better player at the game, not worse as people so claim. All you have to do is level to 80 and then make your own twink and then you can have fun too.

But in the long run any way twinks aren't going to fix the pvp problem, say they eliminate twinks, well they some class is going to still stand out and be better than the rest, then guess what anyone who plays that class is a tard, etc. etc. etc. The reality is this game will never be fair and balance innless for some reason blizzard eliminated every other class than warriors, and not one was allowed to have any different gear or abilities, suddenly it is perfectly fair and completely skill based but guess what it is fun anymore. The only reason anyone enjoys pvp is because of the advantage they have, whether it is a twink or one class over another it is the same thing.

I also find the argument that it takes skill to pvp at 80 and it is fair and balance at 80 a laughable one. At 80 you just get put into a forced twinking situation. A twink is a character that is or has obtained the best gear possible for its level. At 80 all you do is pvp to gain honor, and/or arena points (through arena pvp obviously), to get the best gear possible at your level to help you "pwn noobs". I don’t see any difference in this situation where you place opponents with the top end arena gear vs. a team with; let’s just say for argument reasons, Blue crafted pvp items, typical of people who just turned 80. They have no chance of wining and it is not dependent on skill at all, if the team with the far superior gear isn't face rolling on their keyboard they have a much better chance at winning. They characters are just blatantly stronger, now the degree to which they are stronger may not be as much as a twink vs. a toon just leveling but it is still bad.

Overall it just comes down to people complaining about pvp in general. The sad fact is if someone puts more time into this game then you do they are going to have an advantage, twinks aren't easy to make, and neither is getting the best gear at 80, this game is not fair and balanced and it can't be, other wise it wouldn't be any fun.
 

He gets it!  This guy gets it!!

 

Winning is fun.  Messing with Blizz is fun!!  Losing is a drag!!  Jumping through Blizzard's hoops is a drag.

 

You know hwat made me make my first twink?  Getting pwned by a twink.  I was such a noob in 2005.  I asked my friends what happened they said he has the best gear you can get so he won.  I HAD to beat that guy, and I did.  How is that different than working to beat a boss.  I think it is better because the boss is an AI and they twink I pwned is infinelty smarter and harder to kill.

Having the best gear, enchants, etc. for your level is one thing. What is happening in World of Warcraft is called exploitation of the enchantment system. The reason you felt the need to "twink"  a character is because of the exploitation. A character naturally of the level 19 can not afford a level 60 enchant therefore it wasn't meant to be the natural plateau of character building. The bar is set to whatever limits Blizzard sets puts in.

If Blizzard say lowered the bar by limiting enchants, then there is a new more natural character progression plateau to be reached at the appropiate level for people to strive for. This plateau affects everyone so then there is no difference between the plateaus of character progression. The difference is now striving for the more natural bar of character progression will be obtainable for someone new to the game at each bracket with some deligent work. This leads to more fun for everyone because the past system was just abuse of players that already built up a character and then used that money to exploit lower level battlegrounds as some "playground bully". 

What should happen instead of what they are doing is I believe is put stricter limits to the enchants in the game to set that more natural character building progression.  With the current system though at least they are seperating the "playground bullies". Now they can try to bully each other. I doubt they will like that. The only reason these people exploit the system is so they can have an upper hand in fights. Just as in bullies on a playground the little kid that feels weak for his age has to pick on children a couple years younger than him.

Having the best gear, enchants, etc. for your level is one thing. What is happening in World of Warcraft is called exploitation of the enchantment system. The reason you felt the need to "twink"  a character is because of the exploitation. A character naturally of the level 19 can not afford a level 60 enchant therefore it wasn't meant to be the natural plateau of character building. The bar is set to whatever limits Blizzard sets puts in.

The above statement is false.  As an experiment I made a blood elf hunter on Shattered Halls server and took him from level 1-29 in a week and fully twinked him out except for shoulder enchants.  I had money to spare too.  I started mining copper in the blood elf starting lands and then started buying up underpriced blues.  Next thing you know I had 600g!

It was almost the best pvp experience I have ever had.  As I logged into AB people would go yes Shaza is here we win, and we would!

The only limits are the ones you put on yourself, time and time again we have proven we can get around Blizzards meager attempts to nerf us. 

Originally posted by Kamandi777

According to the patch notes on 3.2 the battle grounds will now give experience.  They will also be split into "xp on" and "xp off" toon types.  WSG will have a time limit as well.  People have been griping about twinks for years, especially about level 19 and 29 battlegrounds.  I am not alone in my love of twinking and destroying lamers. 

 

WoW thinks they can seperate the "wolves" from the "sheep" in the battlegrounds.  They are wrong.

 

I forsee  new and powerful play styles in 19 and 29 and 59 battlegrounds.  "Dual Twinking", "Stam Twinking" and "DK twinking."

 

Dual Twinking...you make two dps class toons and level them to 12 or so.  You process them through Deadmines and Wailing Caverns to get the best gear you can, or use your favorite BOA gear.  You buy your chants and hit the bgs.  Chants are cheap now because of inscription.  You enter the bgs at 18 or 19. You kill all you can and make sure no one caps.  If you are smart you will be on a team and one of your guys will get the flag (in wsg) or you never support a cap (in AB).  You make two toons so if you have to AFK out (because of a possible win) you will be able to requeue with your other toon because of the 15 minute "coward" limitation!

"Stam Twinking" would involve a pally or a drood toon with maximum stam possible who would hold the flag so no one can cap. A pocket healer would be nice here.

"DK Twinking" would be making a DK, twink all you can and bgs in 59 wsg and ab and AV until you level.  Then make another and another and another.  DKs level quick and are fun.

AB will be tough and really require teamwork not to gain xps, but could be easily done in a team situation. 

 

 

 

 

This is why I hate the Internet. Back in the arcade days you pull some crap like that on Street Fighter or Mortal combat, knuckle to the face.