Originally posted by Vaylla

Originally posted by Falc410

Just on a side note, remember Vanguard? They licensed the Unreal Engine 2 as well. The game looked beautiful (well the models not so good) but it still had huge performance issues. So just throwing a bunch of technical names on the website does not mean it will perform and / or look good.

Like many developers use speedtree technologie as well, but this does not guarantee you good looking trees.

 

I certainly hope the best for MO since I too am a fan of FFA PVP and despite it issues I had a blast on the FFA PVP server in Vanguard.

Suggest you do some research on the Unreal 2 engine, and what Sigil did to bastardize it along with the horrid disk loading code that Sigil cobbled together from someone's Lincoln Log set or something. The engine was weak sauce compared to the UT3 engine and Sigil was about as competent as AV in coding.

Top it if off that they were run by a drug addict that ran away and hid the last year of development, an adulterer (poking another employee) and his wife, and several other good old boys and girls that f'd their way into the company and didn't have a clue about MMORPG's other then they "liked to play games" and you get V:SoH.

Far cry from what I am seeing with SV and MO so far. BTW the hype engine from Sigil and Brad McQualude was as bad or worse then anything ever put out by Tacos and the Av failbois or Farcelan and the Deceit-n-Lie crowd.

at least i didnt have to pay to get into beta

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Vaylla

Originally posted by Falc410

Just on a side note, remember Vanguard? They licensed the Unreal Engine 2 as well. The game looked beautiful (well the models not so good) but it still had huge performance issues. So just throwing a bunch of technical names on the website does not mean it will perform and / or look good.

Like many developers use speedtree technologie as well, but this does not guarantee you good looking trees.

 

I certainly hope the best for MO since I too am a fan of FFA PVP and despite it issues I had a blast on the FFA PVP server in Vanguard.

Suggest you do some research on the Unreal 2 engine, and what Sigil did to bastardize it along with the horrid disk loading code that Sigil cobbled together from someone's Lincoln Log set or something. The engine was weak sauce compared to the UT3 engine and Sigil was about as competent as AV in coding.

Top it if off that they were run by a drug addict that ran away and hid the last year of development, an adulterer (poking another employee) and his wife, and several other good old boys and girls that f'd their way into the company and didn't have a clue about MMORPG's other then they "liked to play games" and you get V:SoH.

Far cry from what I am seeing with SV and MO so far. BTW the hype engine from Sigil and Brad McQualude was as bad or worse then anything ever put out by Tacos and the Av failbois or Farcelan and the Deceit-n-Lie crowd.

at least i didnt have to pay to get into beta

Your point is? You don't have to pay to get into beta here either.

The beta that most people got into in V:SoH was the open beta which like most games was an advertising stunt only. I was in the closed beta for V:SoH and there was never any improvement. It was obvious from the beginning it was being made by a bunch of clueless F's that were living on their name only.

Making an MMO is not easy.  Wish MO guys luck.  But i would not put my 75 bucks down for a beta slot.  From what I am seeing so far that seems like it was a good choice.  I hope i am wrong though.

Also just as a note i say a lot.  But the people who made the Mourning the same people who made the terrain editor being used in MO.

Originally posted by gotha

Making an MMO is not easy.  Wish MO guys luck.  But i would not put my 75 bucks down for a beta slot.  From what I am seeing so far that seems like it was a good choice.  I hope i am wrong though.

Also just as a note i say a lot.  But the people who made the Mourning the same people who made the terrain editor being used in MO.

And the same people that made the graphics engine for V:SoH made the game engine for MO. Your point is?

I'll bet that the same people made the operating systems that both games run on.  That the same people made the CPU's, etc for both games server and client hardware. BFD, what's any of that prove?

Originally posted by Vaylla

Originally posted by gotha

Making an MMO is not easy.  Wish MO guys luck.  But i would not put my 75 bucks down for a beta slot.  From what I am seeing so far that seems like it was a good choice.  I hope i am wrong though.

Also just as a note i say a lot.  But the people who made the Mourning the same people who made the terrain editor being used in MO.

And the same people that made the graphics engine for V:SoH made the game engine for MO. Your point is?

I'll bet that the same people made the operating systems that both games run on.  That the same people made the CPU's, etc for both games server and client hardware. BFD, what's any of that prove?

Vanguard was not a skam.  Mourning was a skam,  even after the game flopped in epic proportions that make vanguard look like the most polished game of all time they tried skamming companies into buying their graphics engine.  If you search keep enough you can find the Issues with Mourning and Colton Burgess i think.

Just about every MMO that has a similar...feel...as this one ends up being a let down.

Honestly, almost every MMO not made by a big developer ends up kinda crappy in my book.  I'm not going to try and have much hope for these games and instead just wait until after release.

Yeah, I waited for DnL and Darkfall, and they are both horribly boring.  Some people will argue that Darkfall isn't, but DnL was by far the worst MMO ever.  Basically a huge scam.

I just hope that when this game comes out, it feels polished. 

Originally posted by gotha

Originally posted by Vaylla

Originally posted by gotha

Making an MMO is not easy.  Wish MO guys luck.  But i would not put my 75 bucks down for a beta slot.  From what I am seeing so far that seems like it was a good choice.  I hope i am wrong though.

Also just as a note i say a lot.  But the people who made the Mourning the same people who made the terrain editor being used in MO.

And the same people that made the graphics engine for V:SoH made the game engine for MO. Your point is?

I'll bet that the same people made the operating systems that both games run on.  That the same people made the CPU's, etc for both games server and client hardware. BFD, what's any of that prove?

 

Vanguard was not a skam.  Mourning was a skam,  even after the game flopped in epic proportions that make vanguard look like the most polished game of all time they tried skamming companies into buying their graphics engine.  If you search keep enough you can find the Issues with Mourning and Colton Burgess i think.

I know all about Mourning and it's several incarnations, nothing new there. Oh and Vanguard WAS a scam that is why Micro$oft dropped them like a hot potato after their testers tried the game and discovered there was nothing there. It was all fluff and fake screens. They pissed away Micro$ofts money for years and only wrote what was released in a little over 15 months and it sure as hell showed.

Lets take your way of thinking about guilt by association and examine it a bit shall we?

I guess since the CEO of Darkfall's server farm provider was a former employee of Enron then that automatically makes anything associated with GNI a scam? I mean, hell he was employed by the evil empire Enron so he and everything he touches must be evil. Suggest you do a little research into GNI.

See how stupid that line of thinking is? That is exactly what you are doing with the people that wrote one of the pieces of code that SV is using.

Originally posted by Vaylla 

I know all about Mourning and it's several incarnations, nothing new there. Oh and Vanguard WAS a scam that is why Micro$oft dropped them like a hot potato after their testers tried the game and discovered there was nothing there. It was all fluff and fake screens. They pissed away Micro$ofts money for years and only wrote what was released in a little over 15 months and it sure as hell showed.

Well you have been bashing VG in this whole thread and you obviously are a fanby of MO so I don't know if it's even worth argueing with you. But I just want to tell you that I was in VG Alpha while it was still under the hood of MS and what you are stating are simply lies - nothing more. There were other reasons VG failed but this is kinda OT.

If you want to get back on the topic, VG was not a scam since people didn't have to pay to get into beta, I think there was even like an open beta period. Sure it was released in a state where many people could not enjoy it due to technical difficulties and bugs, but SOE robbed nobody of their money by selling something that doesn't exist (oh well I guess you say by my wording that they did sell something that did exist in another form). Anyway, there is a huge difference between what SOE did and what happened to the people who paid to get into beta like with Mourning and DnL.

Also SOE even payed everyone back who purchased the Obi-Wan (was it called?) extension for SWG right after the Combat Update came out - many people felt scammed there and wanted to cancel their accounts and I myself also got my money for the expansion back. Now you can say what you want about SOE but they never scammed me!

I wouldnt bother mate, this is a well known phenomenon in the mmo community. Ive tried to put some insight into their minds ever since mourning, throughout DnL and even vanguard, aoc and WAR, but everytime im met with the same responses. Did you see how they reacted when you pulled up the more then fair comparison between MO's connction with epic and that of Sigils?

This is a neverending story and there is nothing we can do about it. People are so desperate in finding something to alleviate the drudgery of normal life that any ounce of logic they possess gets pushed to the background.

yeah buy MO devs licensed Unreal 3 engine, which costs a lot so having made such an investement i doubt they will dissapear with your money :)

the only thing that Mourning / Realms of Torment and MO have in common is the world builder, that software is made by the same ppl

http://www.quadsoftware.com/index.php?m=section&sec=product&subsec=editor

Originally posted by Yamota

Good post OP. There is a saying, that probably everyone heard, it starts with: fool me once....

Adventurine fooled me once but I really hope Starvault will not. The biggest reason why I think that is because they are using the expensive, and highly advanced, UT 3 engine. If they wanted to scam people I doubt they would have paid the $500k+ for licensing that engine.

It is also a sign of professionalism. Compare that to the awful engine of Darkfall that was probably coded in someones basement the the differences between the two becomes more apparent. Also the super-hype that Darkfall had, and I believe still has, is nowhere to be seen. Quite the contrary they have admitted that the game will launch with only a small set of features.

Unless Starvault are some really clever scammers, then that is another reason why I think something good will come out of this. However I am a bit concerned about their financial status, charging this much money for a game not be released in another 5-6 months is a sign of desperation.

they didnt make you pay to beta test

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Yamota

Good post OP. There is a saying, that probably everyone heard, it starts with: fool me once....

Adventurine fooled me once but I really hope Starvault will not. The biggest reason why I think that is because they are using the expensive, and highly advanced, UT 3 engine. If they wanted to scam people I doubt they would have paid the $500k+ for licensing that engine.

It is also a sign of professionalism. Compare that to the awful engine of Darkfall that was probably coded in someones basement the the differences between the two becomes more apparent. Also the super-hype that Darkfall had, and I believe still has, is nowhere to be seen. Quite the contrary they have admitted that the game will launch with only a small set of features.

Unless Starvault are some really clever scammers, then that is another reason why I think something good will come out of this. However I am a bit concerned about their financial status, charging this much money for a game not be released in another 5-6 months is a sign of desperation.

 

they didnt make you pay to beta test

Get some facts DnF sychophant. SV didn't make you pay to beta test either. Just a perk for people that pre-ordered like Aion is doing for example and numerous other games have done.

At least SV stated what their beta consisted of instead of telling the world that their game was "More feature complete then anyother MMORPG ever at this stage" which was a total bald faced lie from lord tacos.

Now run along back to the Dork-n-Fail forum or is it too hot over there for you and your twisted sense of reality anymore?

Originally posted by vaylha

Get some facts DnF sychophant. SV didn't make you pay to beta test either. Just a perk for people that pre-ordered like Aion is doing for example and numerous other games have done.

At least SV stated what their beta consisted of instead of telling the world that their game was "More feature complete then anyother MMORPG ever at this stage" which was a total bald faced lie from lord tacos.

Now run along back to the Dork-n-Fail forum or is it too hot over there for you and your twisted sense of reality anymore?

Why are people still saying that they did not buy to beta?    I mean there is a poll on their forums that shows a majority bought  the game to play in beta.  

Originally posted by thinktank001

Originally posted by vaylha

Get some facts DnF sychophant. SV didn't make you pay to beta test either. Just a perk for people that pre-ordered like Aion is doing for example and numerous other games have done.

At least SV stated what their beta consisted of instead of telling the world that their game was "More feature complete then anyother MMORPG ever at this stage" which was a total bald faced lie from lord tacos.

Now run along back to the Dork-n-Fail forum or is it too hot over there for you and your twisted sense of reality anymore?

 

 

Why are people still saying that they did not buy to beta?    I mean there is a poll on their forums that shows a majority bought  the game to play in beta.  

Ok, this may be very complicated for so many of you with limited intelligence but READ WHAT I WROTE, NOT WHAT YOU THINK I WROTE.

I stated that you DID NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR BETA, not that many didn't pay to get into beta. There is a HUGE difference if you have a 3rd grade understanding of English, if not then not much else to say.

As to Aion being an established game as stated in a post above by a DnF failbot.

Yes the Asian version is so what? Are you trying to say that the ads on the bottom of the pages here on this site telling you how you can buy into the beta are a lie? Gee bet MMORPG and the developers would love to hear your logic as would the rest of us.

Originally posted by thinktank001

Originally posted by vaylha

Get some facts DnF sychophant. SV didn't make you pay to beta test either. Just a perk for people that pre-ordered like Aion is doing for example and numerous other games have done.

At least SV stated what their beta consisted of instead of telling the world that their game was "More feature complete then anyother MMORPG ever at this stage" which was a total bald faced lie from lord tacos.

Now run along back to the Dork-n-Fail forum or is it too hot over there for you and your twisted sense of reality anymore?

 

 

Why are people still saying that they did not buy to beta?    I mean there is a poll on their forums that shows a majority bought  the game to play in beta.  

This reminds me of old adverts on the tele marketing channel where they would go on about this machine to make juices or even a bed of some sort and then at the end they would tell you, "if you order in the next 15min you can also choose between this 50" TV or a DVD Recorder".

Bottom line is, you are not paying for the TV, sure many people will buy it because they can get the Bed and the TV as well, but the TV is just a perk of buying in MOs case pre-purchasing the product, ofc many people like myself lately will buy it because of the beta, but I did not pay for beta, I paid for pre-purchasing the game.

We see this situation every day on supermarkets, look at cereal boxes for kids they always come with litle toys inside to get kids to ask their parents for the cereal they may not even like the cereal too much but they want the toy, and again you are not paying for the toy, your paying for the cereal.

Ofc there are litle differences in here but in essence its the same strategy, and the truth is without beta there would be no reason for me to pre-purchase the game before release, it was their marketing strategy but you are not paying for beta at the end of the day its just a perk of pre-purchasing.

Originally posted by vaylha

Originally posted by thinktank001

Originally posted by vaylha

Get some facts DnF sychophant. SV didn't make you pay to beta test either. Just a perk for people that pre-ordered like Aion is doing for example and numerous other games have done.

At least SV stated what their beta consisted of instead of telling the world that their game was "More feature complete then anyother MMORPG ever at this stage" which was a total bald faced lie from lord tacos.

Now run along back to the Dork-n-Fail forum or is it too hot over there for you and your twisted sense of reality anymore?

 

 

Why are people still saying that they did not buy to beta?    I mean there is a poll on their forums that shows a majority bought  the game to play in beta.  

Ok, this may be very complicated for so many of you with limited intelligence but READ WHAT I WROTE, NOT WHAT YOU THINK I WROTE.

I stated that you DID NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR BETA, not that many didn't pay to get into beta. There is a HUGE difference if you have a 3rd grade understanding of English, if not then not much else to say.

As to Aion being an established game as stated in a post above by a DnF failbot.

Yes the Asian version is so what? Are you trying to say that the ads on the bottom of the pages here on this site telling you how you can buy into the beta are a lie? Gee bet MMORPG and the developers would love to hear your logic as would the rest of us.

I am glad that I don't have to pay for MO's beta. I was worried I may have to pre-order to get in the beta which I am not willing to do. So when are the next round of invites being sent out?

Just hearing that I don't have to pay to get into beta is a relief though so thanks for that.

*Sarcasm off* 

Point being, if you wish to get into beta then yes YOU HAVE TO PAY. If you do not wish to be in beta then no YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY.

So yes you are somewhat correct and somewhat wrong.

Just to clarify to everyone out there that may have been confused.

In order to get into beta at this point YES YOU HAVE TO PAY.

Edited to Add some food for thought.

This may be to slow to beat any replys but oh well. Some things to keep in mind.

The price for MO pre-order is abnormally high for an MMO. You have to pay upfront for the pre-order, this isn't your normal pre-order where you pay a non refundable 5-10$ and can cancel at any time. This is pay 75$ to get into beta, if you decide you do not want to play MO after that you are simply SoL. You are in fact paying for the beta and the game is being treated as an extra thing. If you wish to counter this then by all means do so after you explain why the 75$ would not be refunded prior to recieving the game or why the cost of MO is higher than the standard.

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by vaylha

Originally posted by thinktank001

Originally posted by vaylha

Get some facts DnF sychophant. SV didn't make you pay to beta test either. Just a perk for people that pre-ordered like Aion is doing for example and numerous other games have done.

At least SV stated what their beta consisted of instead of telling the world that their game was "More feature complete then anyother MMORPG ever at this stage" which was a total bald faced lie from lord tacos.

Now run along back to the Dork-n-Fail forum or is it too hot over there for you and your twisted sense of reality anymore?

 

 

Why are people still saying that they did not buy to beta?    I mean there is a poll on their forums that shows a majority bought  the game to play in beta.  

Ok, this may be very complicated for so many of you with limited intelligence but READ WHAT I WROTE, NOT WHAT YOU THINK I WROTE.

I stated that you DID NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR BETA, not that many didn't pay to get into beta. There is a HUGE difference if you have a 3rd grade understanding of English, if not then not much else to say.

As to Aion being an established game as stated in a post above by a DnF failbot.

Yes the Asian version is so what? Are you trying to say that the ads on the bottom of the pages here on this site telling you how you can buy into the beta are a lie? Gee bet MMORPG and the developers would love to hear your logic as would the rest of us.

 

I am glad that I don't have to pay for MO's beta. I was worried I may have to pre-order to get in the beta which I am not willing to do. So when are the next round of invites being sent out?

Just hearing that I don't have to pay to get into beta is a relief though so thanks for that.

*Sarcasm off* 

Point being, if you wish to get into beta then yes YOU HAVE TO PAY. If you do not wish to be in beta then no YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY.

So yes you are somewhat correct and somewhat wrong.

Just to clarify to everyone out there that may have been confused.

In order to get into beta at this point YES YOU HAVE TO PAY.

 

Edited to Add some food for thought.

This may be to slow to beat any replys but oh well. Some things to keep in mind.

The price for MO pre-order is abnormally high for an MMO. You have to pay upfront for the pre-order, this isn't your normal pre-order where you pay a non refundable 5-10$ and can cancel at any time. This is pay 75$ to get into beta, if you decide you do not want to play MO after that you are simply SoL. You are in fact paying for the beta and the game is being treated as an extra thing. If you wish to counter this then by all means do so after you explain why the 75$ would not be refunded prior to recieving the game or why the cost of MO is higher than the standard.

Actually if you read the card rules for CC's and know the most basic consumer law yes you can cancel anytime until you have the product you purchased in your hot little hands (hint: the actual boxed item, not the digital download which was free BTW.) In fact if the product is substantially less then advertised then you are also entitled to a refund. Check out your favorite game Dork-n-Fail and see how many charge backs went through.

I don't give a damn what SV says in their offer. They can't place limitations on a consumer that are not valid by their card issuer or their country's laws.

If you really don't like the idea of a perk for people that want to spend THEIR money then tough. I don't even know why you are here other then to try to incite some flaming because you brought nothing constructive to the discussion.

Originally posted by vaylha

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by vaylha

Originally posted by thinktank001

Originally posted by vaylha

Get some facts DnF sychophant. SV didn't make you pay to beta test either. Just a perk for people that pre-ordered like Aion is doing for example and numerous other games have done.

At least SV stated what their beta consisted of instead of telling the world that their game was "More feature complete then anyother MMORPG ever at this stage" which was a total bald faced lie from lord tacos.

Now run along back to the Dork-n-Fail forum or is it too hot over there for you and your twisted sense of reality anymore?

 

 

Why are people still saying that they did not buy to beta?    I mean there is a poll on their forums that shows a majority bought  the game to play in beta.  

Ok, this may be very complicated for so many of you with limited intelligence but READ WHAT I WROTE, NOT WHAT YOU THINK I WROTE.

I stated that you DID NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR BETA, not that many didn't pay to get into beta. There is a HUGE difference if you have a 3rd grade understanding of English, if not then not much else to say.

As to Aion being an established game as stated in a post above by a DnF failbot.

Yes the Asian version is so what? Are you trying to say that the ads on the bottom of the pages here on this site telling you how you can buy into the beta are a lie? Gee bet MMORPG and the developers would love to hear your logic as would the rest of us.

 

I am glad that I don't have to pay for MO's beta. I was worried I may have to pre-order to get in the beta which I am not willing to do. So when are the next round of invites being sent out?

Just hearing that I don't have to pay to get into beta is a relief though so thanks for that.

*Sarcasm off* 

Point being, if you wish to get into beta then yes YOU HAVE TO PAY. If you do not wish to be in beta then no YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY.

So yes you are somewhat correct and somewhat wrong.

Just to clarify to everyone out there that may have been confused.

In order to get into beta at this point YES YOU HAVE TO PAY.

 

Edited to Add some food for thought.

This may be to slow to beat any replys but oh well. Some things to keep in mind.

The price for MO pre-order is abnormally high for an MMO. You have to pay upfront for the pre-order, this isn't your normal pre-order where you pay a non refundable 5-10$ and can cancel at any time. This is pay 75$ to get into beta, if you decide you do not want to play MO after that you are simply SoL. You are in fact paying for the beta and the game is being treated as an extra thing. If you wish to counter this then by all means do so after you explain why the 75$ would not be refunded prior to recieving the game or why the cost of MO is higher than the standard.

Actually if you read the card rules for CC's and know the most basic consumer law yes you can cancel anytime until you have the product you purchased in your hot little hands (hint: the actual boxed item, not the digital download which was free BTW.) In fact if the product is substantially less then advertised then you are also entitled to a refund. Check out your favorite game Dork-n-Fail and see how many charge backs went through.

I don't give a damn what SV says in their offer. They can't place limitations on a consumer that are not valid by their card issuer or their country's laws.

If you really don't like the idea of a perk for people that want to spend THEIR money then tough. I don't even know why you are here other then to try to incite some flaming because you brought nothing constructive to the discussion.

Oh don't worry I am fully aware of how to get a refund prior to reciept of my purchase and no SV can't stop it from happening. My point was, if people wish to go on this tagent about how you are not paying to beta then why is the beta being treated as what you are paying for and the pre-order being treated as a side thing. You pay the full amount, get beta access and SV tries to keep refunds from happening. Then later (If it launches, not saying it won't) you get the game. While I generally agree beta is merely a perk to the pre-orders, in this case I can see why some deem as they have paid to beta. It's because SV has treated it that way. As far as why I am here, I simply decided to comment on the repetetive comments about "You aren't paying to beta so STFU" (Not in those words of course but thats the basic message).

 As far as the Dork-n-fail comment, I am afraid it's a bit wasted on me lol. I am about as much a fan of DFO now days as I am of having a full frontal labotomy. Currently waiting on MO oddly enough.