Originally posted by DarkPony

Originally posted by TdogSkal

Originally posted by Abloec

Originally posted by jackeccs

so the giant schlong post is breaking the nda? lol

 

Pretty much, anything that has to do with what is happening in beta is against the NDA so even people talking about hearsay stating there are no mobs is breaking the NDA.

 

You cannot break a contract if you do not sign the contract... A NDA is like a contract, once signed you have to follow it... If you do not sign it, you cannot break it.... its very simple logic

True. Though a site like mmorpg.com can have a rule in place not to tolerate any info originating from any NDA break. If you post pics you found on the net or use them in your sig, even if you are quoting something someone said which someone else who broke the NDA said, you might not be breaking the NDA legally (you never signed anything and 'it was there already'), but you can still make an infraction to specific board rules.

Agreed, but I doubt all the avatar pics here are "legal" -- say yours, for instance. Where did you get that horse? Did you draw it yourself? If not, did you get the artist's permission to use it?

My guess is that 100% of the avatar pics here, unless a photo of the actual person, are "illegal" and in violation of mmorpg.com rules.

Originally posted by cfurlin

Originally posted by Abloec

 Prime example of this is me saying id post a pic after the NDA was taken off, mmorpg.com had no idea of if I was in beta and signed a NDA but I was still temp banned.

 

They assumed you were in the beta because of what you said. You did not provide any information to the contrary and that's probably why the banned you, thinking you were bound by the NDA.

I'll bet you told them you weren't in the beta, which is why Michael lifted the ban for you.

Frankly, the way you presented yourself in the OP, I can't imagine anyone assuming you were NOT in the beta.

Assumptions aren't grounds for a ban.

This is what I sent to get myself unbanned.

Ok I gotta know how that warrants a ban, its not breaking NDA so what the hell is the problem. Seriously want to know because I believe this is ridiculous. I said Id post a beautiful pic when the NDA is lifted, so what if I said id post a pic just plain ass pic with nothing attached I wouldn't of been banned?

This is his response

I apologize for the confusion; I have lifted the ban from your account.

Regards,

Michael Bitton
 

Originally posted by Kells

Okay, lets take a hypothetical. Person A is in a beta with an NDA and takes a screenshot. Person A sends the screenshot to Person B, who is not in the beta and did not sign an NDA. Person B posts the shot on mmorpg.com and gets banned. It doesn't matter that Person B didn't technically violate the NDA, from mmorpg.com's point-of-view, because the website wants to support confidentiality agreements for companies under closed beta regardless of where the info comes from. It is sort of like possessing stolen goods, being ignorant that something you have in your possession is stolen is not necessarily an excuse.  This is not to say that such bans shouldn't be lifted after a while.

I am assuming this has to do with me, and id agree with this story the person should be held accountable for posting a SS from beta thing is, if this hypothetical story is based off of me, I didn't post such a SS I said id post a SS after the NDA was lifted.

Originally posted by cfurlin

Originally posted by DarkPony

Originally posted by TdogSkal

Originally posted by Abloec

Originally posted by jackeccs

so the giant schlong post is breaking the nda? lol

 

Pretty much, anything that has to do with what is happening in beta is against the NDA so even people talking about hearsay stating there are no mobs is breaking the NDA.

 

You cannot break a contract if you do not sign the contract... A NDA is like a contract, once signed you have to follow it... If you do not sign it, you cannot break it.... its very simple logic

True. Though a site like mmorpg.com can have a rule in place not to tolerate any info originating from any NDA break. If you post pics you found on the net or use them in your sig, even if you are quoting something someone said which someone else who broke the NDA said, you might not be breaking the NDA legally (you never signed anything and 'it was there already'), but you can still make an infraction to specific board rules.

 

Agreed, but I doubt all the avatar pics here are "legal" -- say yours, for instance. Where did you get that horse? Did you draw it yourself? If not, did you get the artist's permission to use it?

My guess is that 100% of the avatar pics here, unless a photo of the actual person, are "illegal" and in violation of mmorpg.com rules.

The pony is my own, the girl is my rl GF, the grass is my lawn, the troll is my ugly brother, ... only the font is stolen from Funcom / AoC, but it has been distributed freely!

Nah, you might be right. But since I am somewhat of a professional artist I know that if you use pieces of existing material artistically and editted in such a thorough way that the result becomes something completely different, it will be regarded 'a piece of art' in court, (at least in a Dutch one). Similar to a collumnist quoting parts of a book. It is rather complex and there is a fair bit of interpretation involved and I'm not sure if my sig would pass the test though it consists of 7 images put together. Plenty of artists use 'ready found' material like that and use it as parts in their own work, though.

That doesn't mean mmorpg has to respect that; they could rather want to be safe and sure and get rid of all our sigs and avatars, like you say.

Originally posted by DarkPony

Originally posted by cfurlin

Originally posted by DarkPony

Originally posted by TdogSkal

Originally posted by Abloec

Originally posted by jackeccs

so the giant schlong post is breaking the nda? lol

 

Pretty much, anything that has to do with what is happening in beta is against the NDA so even people talking about hearsay stating there are no mobs is breaking the NDA.

 

You cannot break a contract if you do not sign the contract... A NDA is like a contract, once signed you have to follow it... If you do not sign it, you cannot break it.... its very simple logic

True. Though a site like mmorpg.com can have a rule in place not to tolerate any info originating from any NDA break. If you post pics you found on the net or use them in your sig, even if you are quoting something someone said which someone else who broke the NDA said, you might not be breaking the NDA legally (you never signed anything and 'it was there already'), but you can still make an infraction to specific board rules.

 

Agreed, but I doubt all the avatar pics here are "legal" -- say yours, for instance. Where did you get that horse? Did you draw it yourself? If not, did you get the artist's permission to use it?

My guess is that 100% of the avatar pics here, unless a photo of the actual person, are "illegal" and in violation of mmorpg.com rules.

The pony is my own, the girl is my rl GF, the grass is my lawn, the troll is my ugly brother, ... only the font is stolen from Funcom / AoC, but it has been distributed freely!

Nah, you might be right. But since I am somewhat of a professional artist I know that if you use pieces of existing material artistically and editted in such a thorough way that it becomes something completely different, it will be regarded 'a piece of art' in court, (at least in a Dutch one). Similar to a collumnist quoting parts of a book. It is rather complex and there is a fair bit of interpretation involved and I'm not sure if my sig would pass the test though it consists of 7 images put together. Plenty of artists use 'ready found' material like that and use it as parts in their own work, though.

That doesn't mean mmorpg has to respect that; they could rather want to be safe and sure and get rid of all our sigs and avatars, like you say.

 

Or they could do what a lot of other forums do: Provide a stock set of images to choose from and disallow the uploading of avatar pics.
 

Originally posted by Abloec

Ok so apparently in one of my posts, the moderators of these forums felt I had broke the NDA for the game and banned me temporarily for that post. Just to give you a hint on what the post was, it was when I mentioned something about a pic of MO, didn't post a pic, didnt post a link to a pic I just mentioned of a pic in the future. So fair warning to all who feel like posting anything refeering to beta be careful what you post because they seem trigger happy.

 

Edit : I also want to thank Michael Bitton for lifting the ban after I replied to them about the post.

Technically telling people you are in the Beta is a violation of the NDA. Its best if you are in a beta to just not say anything and if you want to say something you should log on the game forums and contact them ahead of time and ask them if you post would violate your NDA

Originally posted by Abloec

Originally posted by Kells

Okay, lets take a hypothetical. Person A is in a beta with an NDA and takes a screenshot. Person A sends the screenshot to Person B, who is not in the beta and did not sign an NDA. Person B posts the shot on mmorpg.com and gets banned. It doesn't matter that Person B didn't technically violate the NDA, from mmorpg.com's point-of-view, because the website wants to support confidentiality agreements for companies under closed beta regardless of where the info comes from. It is sort of like possessing stolen goods, being ignorant that something you have in your possession is stolen is not necessarily an excuse.  This is not to say that such bans shouldn't be lifted after a while.

 

I am assuming this has to do with me, and id agree with this story the person should be held accountable for posting a SS from beta thing is, if this hypothetical story is based off of me, I didn't post such a SS I said id post a SS after the NDA was lifted.

Nope, the hypothetical was not not based on you.

Originally posted by graggok

Originally posted by Abloec

Ok so apparently in one of my posts, the moderators of these forums felt I had broke the NDA for the game and banned me temporarily for that post. Just to give you a hint on what the post was, it was when I mentioned something about a pic of MO, didn't post a pic, didnt post a link to a pic I just mentioned of a pic in the future. So fair warning to all who feel like posting anything refeering to beta be careful what you post because they seem trigger happy.

 

Edit : I also want to thank Michael Bitton for lifting the ban after I replied to them about the post.

 

Technically telling people you are in the Beta is a violation of the NDA. Its best if you are in a beta to just not say anything and if you want to say something you should log on the game forums and contact them ahead of time and ask them if you post would violate your NDA

Please read the rest of the thread I have already gone over that, I have never actually said I am in beta.

Originally posted by cfurlin

Or they could do what a lot of other forums do: Provide a stock set of images to choose from and disallow the uploading of avatar pics.
 

Yeah, but that'd be boring ... I kinda love mmorpg.com's colorful nature (and we HAVE to visually neutralize the banners!). Though people who hate the additional loudness on each page of course have the option not to display any sigs in their profiles.

Originally posted by Kells

Okay, lets take a hypothetical. Person A is in a beta with an NDA and takes a screenshot. Person A sends the screenshot to Person B, who is not in the beta and did not sign an NDA. Person B posts the shot on mmorpg.com and gets banned.

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Originally posted by cfurlin

Originally posted by Abloec

Ok so apparently in one of my posts, the moderators of these forums felt I had broke the NDA for the game and banned me temporarily for that post. Just to give you a hint on what the post was, it was when I mentioned something about a pic of MO, didn't post a pic, didnt post a link to a pic I just mentioned of a pic in the future. So fair warning to all who feel like posting anything refeering to beta be careful what you post because they seem trigger happy.

 

Edit : I also want to thank Michael Bitton for lifting the ban after I replied to them about the post.

 

Doesn't matter. Most NDAs prohibit you from even mentioning you are IN the beta. You won't get any sympathy from me. You should, however, learn to read AND comprehend the entire NDA before agreeing to it. 

Are you allowed to say what is said in the NDA or link to it? Because I am in beta, but block B so havent played it yet, but I dont recall seeing an NDA to sign yet.

As for comprehending the entire NDA. Good luck with that. Usually they are full of legal mumbo jumbo that people, with no law degree, cannot fully understand. Altough the basics is quite clear:

Shut up about beta.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by cfurlin

Originally posted by Abloec

Ok so apparently in one of my posts, the moderators of these forums felt I had broke the NDA for the game and banned me temporarily for that post. Just to give you a hint on what the post was, it was when I mentioned something about a pic of MO, didn't post a pic, didnt post a link to a pic I just mentioned of a pic in the future. So fair warning to all who feel like posting anything refeering to beta be careful what you post because they seem trigger happy.

 

Edit : I also want to thank Michael Bitton for lifting the ban after I replied to them about the post.

 

Doesn't matter. Most NDAs prohibit you from even mentioning you are IN the beta. You won't get any sympathy from me. You should, however, learn to read AND comprehend the entire NDA before agreeing to it. 

Are you allowed to say what is said in the NDA or link to it? Because I am in beta, but block B so havent played it yet, but I dont recall seeing an NDA to sign yet.

As for comprehending the entire NDA. Good luck with that. Usually they are full of legal mumbo jumbo that people, with no law degree, cannot fully understand. Altough the basics is quite clear:

Shut up about beta.

I am a freaking genius then, I can understand the NDA without a law degree. O_O

Originally posted by Neosai

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by cfurlin

Originally posted by Abloec

Ok so apparently in one of my posts, the moderators of these forums felt I had broke the NDA for the game and banned me temporarily for that post. Just to give you a hint on what the post was, it was when I mentioned something about a pic of MO, didn't post a pic, didnt post a link to a pic I just mentioned of a pic in the future. So fair warning to all who feel like posting anything refeering to beta be careful what you post because they seem trigger happy.

 

Edit : I also want to thank Michael Bitton for lifting the ban after I replied to them about the post.

 

Doesn't matter. Most NDAs prohibit you from even mentioning you are IN the beta. You won't get any sympathy from me. You should, however, learn to read AND comprehend the entire NDA before agreeing to it. 

Are you allowed to say what is said in the NDA or link to it? Because I am in beta, but block B so havent played it yet, but I dont recall seeing an NDA to sign yet.

As for comprehending the entire NDA. Good luck with that. Usually they are full of legal mumbo jumbo that people, with no law degree, cannot fully understand. Altough the basics is quite clear:

Shut up about beta.

I am a freaking genius then, I can understand the NDA without a law degree. O_O

Understand and fully understanding is not the same thing. However, instead of boasting about how smart you are, maybe you can say if it is indeed against the NDA to even say that you are in beta.

Observe that saying that having read the NDA and being in beta are not neccassarily the same thing as one could perceivebly read the NDA without being in the beta.

 This is not the place to post possible NDA  breaking information now is it ? ;) ;)