Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by tokenizer

 

1. That was more that 18 years ago... we talk about different stuff today and expectation..

2. Your view dont represent the majority of opinions, but the point is, ALL what Blizzard did in the past was TOP games. Got it now?

 

so what you are saying is that nobody can be the next blizzard. Only the currently large companies are allowed to have been small at one time and create great games.

Sorry, no.

not to mention, Blizzard makes crap games anyway regardless of what the majority thinks..;)

Well.. you really need to have BALLS to possible challange a company like Blizzard talking about games strictly.

You think an indie group have any chance to make a step so big from first game? Think again...

Originally posted by tokenizer

 

Well.. you really need to have BALLS to possible challange a company like Blizzard talking about games strictly.

You think an indie group have any chance to make a step so big from first game? Think again...

1. an indy game does not ever have to be as big as blizzard to be successful and even small firms can change the gaming landscape forever.

2. monopoly kills creativity, it would be nice if gamers would stop making it even harder for indy games than it already is.

this is ironical coming from a gamer (me) who loaths the MO community :)
 

  Have you even watched the beta or alpha pve videos on youtube? The interaction between player and monster was awesome. Also i would like to add look at the rate blizzard is making everything easier and more bland. (armor sets looking the same, classes having almost identical tier armor, pala and warlock being their favorite class, taking away alot of challenge and putting in patches for 12 year olds and below.) The bigger you are the higher the expectations the more expectation the more you will fail to appeal to those expectations and the more you will plumit. to. the. Ground. This is why they are making a new mmo. Wow is slowly going to hell, this is their escape plan. You dig?

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Genleo

Starvault does not have the manpower to produce a full fantasy world MMO within the time period slated.  They most likely will not have this game out by the end of the year, and if it is you can expect another darkfail or AOC.

 

Why would anyone trust a company with no reputation?? why give them 75 dollars or more...  They can't even get their page updated

 

this company has never made a game before...so chances are this will be their first mistake.  Maybe in the future they will produce better games, but for now you are just paying so they can get money and make a real game.

 

 

 

this is going to sound odd coming from a Darkfall fan like myself but I got to say for the record what you say is crazy talk.

Small companies CAN make MMO's and in fact in some cases make them even better. I am sorry but EQ2/WOW formula is pretty basic and not hard to make better as long as the bulk of your audience is over the age of 12

The MO community is still disgusting and I wouldnt play it if you paid me but on this I got to defend.

 

That is quite a statement coming from a DF player and rabid fanboy who proved more than once to be a complete douche on the DF forums LOL. And nobody will pay you to play MO because nobody wants you there sorry pal.

Originally posted by Scoorge

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Genleo

Starvault does not have the manpower to produce a full fantasy world MMO within the time period slated.  They most likely will not have this game out by the end of the year, and if it is you can expect another darkfail or AOC.

 

Why would anyone trust a company with no reputation?? why give them 75 dollars or more...  They can't even get their page updated

 

this company has never made a game before...so chances are this will be their first mistake.  Maybe in the future they will produce better games, but for now you are just paying so they can get money and make a real game.

 

 

 

this is going to sound odd coming from a Darkfall fan like myself but I got to say for the record what you say is crazy talk.

Small companies CAN make MMO's and in fact in some cases make them even better. I am sorry but EQ2/WOW formula is pretty basic and not hard to make better as long as the bulk of your audience is over the age of 12

The MO community is still disgusting and I wouldnt play it if you paid me but on this I got to defend.

 

 

That is quite a statement coming from a DF player and rabid fanboy who proved more than once to be a complete douche on the DF forums LOL. And nobody will pay you to play MO because nobody wants you there sorry pal.

You aren't exactly proving him the opposite either, Scoorge :-/

Personally I think every high on pvp mmorpg will attract a good amount of wankers, to put it mildly (not that I have anything against PK'ers, though. It is more the general attitude of some young guys).

Though MO has plenty to go for it in appealing to a more adult, role play minded crowd as well. More than DF I think. As soon as SV will put up an RP server I am heading that way for sure. And I'll team up with a likeminded crowd untill then.

I'll come with you dark pony :D

Originally posted by Genleo

Starvault does not have the manpower to produce a full fantasy world MMO within the time period slated.  They most likely will not have this game out by the end of the year, and if it is you can expect another darkfail or AOC.

 

Why would anyone trust a company with no reputation?? why give them 75 dollars or more...  They can't even get their page updated

 

this company has never made a game before...so chances are this will be their first mistake.  Maybe in the future they will produce better games, but for now you are just paying so they can get money and make a real game.

 

 

For the same reason I have payed for many underground albums even only few of them become famous. Do you expect everyone to listen Britney Spears?

All this ranting and raging about Blizzard and WoW.

Blizzard about 18 years ago was a no-body firm that had a dream of making games.... 

A few years later, they were contracted to make a game for Gamesworkshop,  A game based on the Warhammer Fantasy table top game.    Gamesworkshop didnt like the product so pulled their envolvment,   Blizzard had a working game they changed a few things, and the name, and created Warcraft.    And the rest is history.

The point is, every company has to start from somewhere.   Bioware, Besthesda, Blizzard, CAPCOM, Mythic,  Funcom.   All started as nobody firms.     Now look at them.

Originally posted by Lolpigs

I'll come with you dark pony :D

Cool. I'll let you know my ingame name once I have one :)

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Genleo

Starvault does not have the manpower to produce a full fantasy world MMO within the time period slated.  They most likely will not have this game out by the end of the year, and if it is you can expect another darkfail or AOC.

 

Why would anyone trust a company with no reputation?? why give them 75 dollars or more...  They can't even get their page updated

 

this company has never made a game before...so chances are this will be their first mistake.  Maybe in the future they will produce better games, but for now you are just paying so they can get money and make a real game.

 

 

You have to realise that there has been years since an MMORPG was released that catered to free world FFA PvP players and those players are desperate to get a game like that instead of the spoon-feeding, themepark, WoW-clone nonsense.

I personally believe this to be the last hope we get for a FFA PvP MMORPG because of Darkfalls failure. So that is why I paid that money for a game that does not exist yet and which state I know very little about. But I have faith that the game will turn out to be, if not great, atleast a playable FFA PvP game.

That being said I don't agree with the way Starvault is handling this. Charging that much money for a game that is in pre-alpha is not a way to attract future customers so either they must be desperate for money or really greedy. However, seeing as they use the UT 3 engine, which cost upwards of $500.000, I doubt it is greed.

So, if you are into FFA PvP MMORPGs, have faith. :)

Sure it's nice to see a FFA PvP world. Yet I don't consider the fact of NO INFORMATION about the game, just take a look at the main website under races, everything has been "Description to come..." for eons. How does one know wtf this game is about if they don't update information?

The last time I paid $ for faith was when I was a kid and my mother used to force me to give to the church. Well I've grown up a bit since then and paying for faith is bullshit, over rated and opening you up for Bush culisms.

I do not mind prepurchasing a game when you know what you're putting your money into. So how can they afford to do this as it makes absolutely no sense to me. Either I wait for 2 years for all this testing to be over and see the end result or I leave and find something else even though the MMO market for my style looks bleak indeed. Yet I am not going to risk another failed MMO because of faith in something that I cannot find anything out about.

What next, $70 for a pre alpha F2P MMO, please.....

Originally posted by Shealladh

Yet I am not going to risk another failed MMO because of faith in something that I cannot find anything out about.

Then just don't do it, but I have an exclusive info for you: nobody here cares.

Nobody on the official forums, where you posted a similar whine, cares either, btw.

As I already said several times, unlike "other" games where the devs clearly lied big time about imaginary features, here, the devs have been completely honest and warned that the early beta would be rough. Nobody forced anyone to buy, and before you bought, you had a big page which warned about the status of the beta.

MO isn't an Indie-studio, you should read up on what the term really mean.

I just recently bought stocks in StarVault, they would NEVER be allowed on the stock exchange if they were not a serious company. I carefully looked true their numbers before deciding to buy. These guys got money...

Nither is this game waporware, it's for real!

Originally posted by Ogrelin

MO isn't an Indie-studio, you should read up on what the term really mean.

 

Actually Star Vault is the Game Studio,  MO is the game.  You should choose your words carefully if you're going to be a snot.

An independant Game Company is a game company without a game publisher backing them up.   I can't seem to find the name of a game publisher publishing this game.  Star Vault is publishing themselves.  That makes them an independant game studio.

Other than that, you're spot on.  SV is a real company, they aren't fly by night, and are miles ahead of AV and Tassos' back yard operation.

Originally posted by Genleo

Starvault does not have the manpower to produce a full fantasy world MMO within the time period slated.  They most likely will not have this game out by the end of the year, and if it is you can expect another darkfail or AOC.

 

Why would anyone trust a company with no reputation?? why give them 75 dollars or more...  They can't even get their page updated

 

this company has never made a game before...so chances are this will be their first mistake.  Maybe in the future they will produce better games, but for now you are just paying so they can get money and make a real game.

Genleo, your a troll. You started your stupidity crusade a year ago when you thought AoC would be a success. AoC is a prime example of a game developed by supposed knowledgeable folks, folks with manpower, but tanked, and tanked well; sever mergers, developers bailing, and Funcom begging for people to return.

Maybe in the future Funcom will produce a better game, and you'll find that chromosome your missing, but SV hasn't done anything to warrant concern that is not unlike other established developers yet.
 

How many wow clones are out there, loads.Darkfall, although with all its problems was a breath of fresh air for people that wanted worthwhile pvp and a change from the norm.Me personally i couldnt give two fucks about killing ten boars for a quest and moving on to the next mindless bullshit quest.

I have played many mmos since pre-cu starwars (inc wow) and nothing came close to the buzz you got from the pvp in darkfall(swg pre-cu maybe:)),but thats my personal opinion.I have been playing aion for the last few weeks,(chineese release with english language pack)i thought it might offer something new ,how wrong was i total wank in every way.0-25 total mindless boredom as usual then to top it off at 25 you get to go into the abyss wahooooo its warhammer with fairies and ghay pvp.

We need independent companies to think out side the box and make mmos different from the normal wow clone shite.I brought Darkfall and although i dont play anymore it was money well spent.I have payed for Mo and im sure it will be worth it but you know what,i would rather pay my cash to a company thats trying something new than to pay for yet another crap clone.
 

I still can't understand putting money down on such an untested game/product/company.

This seems less wise than gambling, and that is just throwing your money away.

A well known company that has released games before, at least stands a very good chance of releasing a function product to spend money on for a beta.  Games such as this...I dunno.

Originally posted by Swanea

I still can't understand putting money down on such an untested game/product/company.

 

This seems less wise than gambling, and that is just throwing your money away.

 

A well known company that has released games before, at least stands a very good chance of releasing a function product to spend money on for a beta.  Games such as this...I dunno.

AoC and WAR beg to differ.

Originally posted by Genleo

i was looking forward to this game actually. Im just pissed off that these european companies say they will have all these features in teh game and it will be great and out, and its all broken promises.

 

I have heard on the official forums there are ZERO mobs in the game, You pretty much just run around doing nothing, and you can't even attack stuff because there is no attack animations.  This game is in alpha stage not beta.

 

It wont be out at the end of the year for sure or probably ever, and im sick of these lies from stupid independent companies.

The only thing they're saying will be in the game at launch is core features.

Core features:
Combat
PvP
Basic housing
Crafting
One continent.

That's what they say will be in at release.
Don't know what you're expecting.

Sounds more like someone couldn't afford the box and is upset.

Originally posted by Swanea

I still can't understand putting money down on such an untested game/product/company.

 

This seems less wise than gambling, and that is just throwing your money away.

 

A well known company that has released games before, at least stands a very good chance of releasing a function product to spend money on for a beta.  Games such as this...I dunno.

Il risk 50 quid on a game,if it fails i loose 50 quid no big deal.

Originally posted by Swanea

I still can't understand putting money down on such an untested game/product/company.

 

This seems less wise than gambling, and that is just throwing your money away.

 

A well known company that has released games before, at least stands a very good chance of releasing a function product to spend money on for a beta.  Games such as this...I dunno.

Swanea, you’re as much an adolescent half-wit that supports an established development team with supposed talent which does nothing but release a ¼ baked game like WAR with so much redundancy and content-less game-play that it’ll make you go mad.

You supported that, by a well known company that has developed games before, a game with comments from you like “Blows any game out right now, out of the water. Its so awesome.” Ohh…such a blonde girl-ish thing to say about a product which took a huge nose-dive after 2-months, with that dev-team scrambling to justify their experiment and some leaving on the heels of empty servers.

Many will gladly give an indie development team that pushes development with the support and direction of ‘players’, like SV and Mortal Online, rather than listen to a sheep like you that can’t justify support for a failed endeavor at the hands of your supposed ‘experienced’ development team.