Originally posted by Fr0z1nDuDe

Originally posted by TdogSkal

Originally posted by Eben

Originally posted by TdogSkal

Switching factions?  really?  How is that a good idea?   Really it does not fit into the Warcraft Lore at all but who cares about lore.

WoW is an easy mode game that is getting easier by the day.  Only challenge left in WoW are raids and if the majority of the player base has anything to say about it.   Raids will become soloable shortly.

 

Here's a trip on the clue train for you;  Blizzard wants to make money.  I know, crazy, but it's true.  Stop the presses.  They have to create and manage a game thats played by -millions- of people.  Not 50k.  Not 300k.  Not even 750k, which would be considered a roaring success when used in reference to -any other MMO currently on the market today-.  We're talking millions of subscriptions.  Creating content that is only seen and accessable by 5% (if that) of your most-obsessive playerbase, then tuning the game to those standards, is IDIOTIC, when you're dealing with millions of paying customers.  Of course it's getting "easier".  They want to have more people playing, so they get their subscription fees.  Most normal people, when dissatisfied with a game, stop playing it.  That means no more money for Blizzard.  So you think they are going to cater to a bunch of whining r-tards on the internet that will incessantly bitch over any little thing, or will they do what keeps that vast silent majority paying the fees.  Tough decision there. 

So, keep right on bitching and complaining about it getting easier and more carebear.  The people that matter don't care...the people that decide with their wallets. Not with the 'Post Message' button to launch their nerd-rage spazz onto some irrelevant forum.

Good god, it's not like any MMO could be considered hard, unless your idea of hard somehow relates to how much time you can sink into something, pushing the same little buttons in the right sequence over and over.  Yeah, super hard. 

As for your comment about lore; irrelevant as well.  You won't see Orcs running around in Stormwind, or Gnomes hanging out in Orgrimmar.  The faction change comes with a racial switch.  Your Undead Warlock would become a Human Warlock, etc.  Which is why it's taking so long to implement, since they have to come up with a way to translate all the racial-specific crap (mounts, achievements, etc) into the comparable opposite-faction equivelent.  If you'd have read even a little bit about this at all, you'd know this.  But actual reading and research would prevent people from mindlessly bitching, and who wants that?

I did read it... So you can just transfer your charater back and forth with out pulling an effort into building a new toon... hmm seems like "easy" mode to me.
 

I like to be forced to think and figure things out while playing my MMOs and video games in general.  Easy is not fun... Having the developer hold my hand though out the game and not allow me to make mistakes is not fun.

Sure people like WoW because its easy but that is ruining the genre for the rest of us that enjoy having to use that thing between our ears.   The more Money Blizzard makes the worst the genre is getting.

Big developers want Blizzard like subs, which is not going to happen but they will keep pumping out these easy mode watered down MMOs with zero challenge involved trying to match WoW.   This sucks for us gamers that want to be challenged.  

And btw the lore comment is not irrelevant.... So its okay for Darth Vader to transform into a Jedi Knight when ever he feels like not being on the Darkside for the week.... that is basicly the same thing as what WoW is going to let players do.... its wrong.  Whats the point of having factions at all?   They do not matter what so ever now ... that is what blizzard is saying with this change.

oh god oh plz oh god oh will you purchase some common sense on ebay plz...

 

there is a HUGE difference between EASY / HARD and TIME CONSUMING / NOT TIME CONSUMING...

EASY DOESN'T EQUAL TO NOT TIME CONSUMING...

i swear you people have the brains of a RETARD COCKROACH

No kidding, were did I say that hard = time consuming? .....  Easy has nothing to do with the time involved.   Sorry but I have a ton of common sense... you do not.  Proved by your post.  Where did I say that time consuming = hard in my post?  

Its easy because they hold your hand though out the game.... other then raiding,,, you are led by the hand to max level... It requires no skill or thinking at all.  Collect the quest, follow your mini map, gain exp... no challenge, no thinking, no problems solving.   Video games should require problem solving, thinking and have some challenge to them.  

Sorry I like to think and figure things out for myself when playing Video games... including MMOs.   WoW guides you though the game.   Every quest is marked clearly on your map, how is that not easy?  

Maybe if you had to think  once in a while you people would understand that easy/hard has nothing to do with time.

Originally posted by Krewel

SaetiaBelle - do you really believe light-brown text will prove your point? You say any nanny play WoW now? Of course, they can have fun and play at their heart's content. But WoW still caters to hardcore. Have you downed Yogg Saron with 0 keepers? How about Algalon on 25 man?  Have you reached 9k achi points or more? If not, you have nothing to say here. One of the main reasons WoW is such a success is because grandmothers and even hardcore players like Ensidia can find amusing and challenging ways to play it.

Oh, and btw, I play in a guild where every member is 20+ players, so keep your "only kids play WoW" to yourselves, please. They say AoC is played only by mature and grown up people. Have you ever spent a minute there reading the global chat? I gurantee you, you won't find greater immaturity on any WoW server.

 

And btw, if there are indeed two new playable races for the next expansion, the faction change will prove to be the most awesome thing ever.

Just about every post I make on every forum I am registered to is in colour, because I like colours. Ok.

I haven't downed Yogg Saron no because I am not addicted to that game anymore and I have been playing a different game since before this Yogg Saron thing was implemented. I have no idea how many achi points I got either. Is 9k alot? I don't know. The game wasn't interesting enough for me to pay £9 a month to collect achi points ;\

Wow might be a success because grandmothers play it, but I'd rather not play games that my nan likes. My nan plays solitaire and that game is even bigger success but it doesn't make me wanna go play it does it. 

I didnt say only kids play wow. I said 'even 12 year olds play it'... Nor did I insult the immaturity of the game. Did you ever read the thread posted on here where it compared WoW to Mario ? You should because it's completely true.

Oh and two new playable races for the expansion is a myth. Worgan/Goblin... Ok you obviously hang out at mmochampion.

PS I haven't played AoC nor do I want to. Oh and I'm doing this one blue isn't it great

Originally posted by googajoob7

well very soon you ll be able to change your alliance character into a horde and visa versa . what a horrible idea . i dont know why blizzard are so intent of destroying warcrafts gameplay for short term gain but thats whats happening . i know its still pretty popular but everythings so dumbed down and easy now so as to appeal to kids and this move really takes the cake . but i would like to thank blizzard of curing me of my warcraft addiction every time i think i might go back i see something like this to remind me how godawful things have become in this game now .  what a shame .

Blizzard, you are dead to me!!!

...oh wait, they've been dead to me for years now...what the hell am I talking about...

Seem to remember people screaming "this is the end of wow" when blizzard added the features to transfer your toon between PvE and PvP severs, when blizzard added the feature to rename your toon and when blizzard added the feature to change the sex of the toon.

WoW if anything grew stronger after those added features.. for one simple reason, players want these features.

Why wont Blizzard stop giving players what they want? bunch of fools.

BTW: Wotlk is no.2 on the sales charts for last month, vanilia wow and TBC expansion are also in the top 10. WoW is doing fine thankyou.

Originally posted by coffee

Seem to remember people screaming "this is the end of wow" when blizzard added the features to transfer your toon between PvE and PvP severs, when blizzard added the feature to rename your toon and when blizzard added the feature to change the sex of the toon.

WoW if anything grew stronger after those added features.. for one simple reason, players want these features.

Why wont Blizzard stop giving players what they want? bunch of fools.

BTW: Wotlk is no.2 on the sales charts for last month, vanilia wow and TBC expansion are also in the top 10. WoW is doing fine thankyou.

WoW is doing fine at the expense of us games that want  challenge and problem solving in our game. 

WoW is a good game, do not mis understand me... The problem is the better WoW does, the worst the genre gets because everyone wants to get subs like WoW so they copy it.   That is my reason for not liking WoW.

I don't care what little features or gimmicks they add, I'm never subbing again. At least not until they do a complete overhaul of class balance.

The WoW haters are upset over this because it is a feature people actually want. Which means Blizzard will be making a ton more money and will further cement Blizzard as the king of MMOs.

They give reasons like "dumbing down" or "greedy" or even "lore" to make their rants seem less insane.

I guess the idea that an MMO developer would listen to its fans and actually give them what they want(within reason) is such a foreign concept to the WoW haters because something like that never happens with their current favorite MMO.

What would be even of interest to see is Blizzard allowing players on PVE servers factional means to be neutral or even friendly toward the other faction.  So  if players what to do pvp they have to pay to move to actual pvp servers where the cheating gankers are located....  

Can i just point out just because some people want something in game it really does nt make it a good idea . I mean i m sure a lot of younger wow players would love say to be able to pay a fee and change thier class or proffession in warcraft . how about paying a fee so your character can have speacial dance moves .maybe being able to access the battlegrounds anywhere in warcraft and get xp for simply grinding them . that really worked well in warhammer !!!!!. heres another thought allow players to start a new character of any class at level 55 once they have a level 80 and completly anhilate any chance of interesting gameplay from levels 1-54 . i mean its bad enough already that on most servers those leves are now a solo grind because no ones interested in doing mid level instances anymore due to faster leveling .  if wow is all about the endgame now let people start an alt at 55 .. these things have to be well thought out before they are implimented and i get the feeling blizzard really dont put much thought into them beyond how much money they can make in the short term . its all about credibility as much as the bottom line because without that sooner or later you heading for a fall .

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by TdogSkal

Originally posted by coffee

Seem to remember people screaming "this is the end of wow" when blizzard added the features to transfer your toon between PvE and PvP severs, when blizzard added the feature to rename your toon and when blizzard added the feature to change the sex of the toon.

WoW if anything grew stronger after those added features.. for one simple reason, players want these features.

Why wont Blizzard stop giving players what they want? bunch of fools.

BTW: Wotlk is no.2 on the sales charts for last month, vanilia wow and TBC expansion are also in the top 10. WoW is doing fine thankyou.

 

WoW is doing fine at the expense of us games that want  challenge and problem solving in our game. 

WoW is a good game, do not mis understand me... The problem is the better WoW does, the worst the genre gets because everyone wants to get subs like WoW so they copy it.   That is my reason for not liking WoW.

 

For those posting their WOW hate in these forums and react to ANYTHING just to vomit all over a fantastic game with a huge succesful following ...

Reread the blue and think: what is the logic behind this all ???

You don't like WOW because it just is better than what the rest has to offer to get to "the goldmine".

It's the same thing as saying: "Hey Barcelona is a great football team, but it simply is too good so the rest can't compete, so I hate Barcelona."

Great logic.

Tx Blizzard to help out the fans with these constantly new and helping tools.

Just ignore the 1% WoW haters: it is the paying fans that count.

www.xfire.com

 

 

Did you even read my post at all?  It is perfect logic... The more money WoW makes, the more companies want to copy it which further moves the genre further from what I as a player like... which is challenging game with a ton of grouping and player choices.  Were player skill out ranks items and abilities/spells.

Again WoW is a good game but because of its success more companies will try and copy it and the gamers that are looking for a different kind of MMO are not going to get a game they want.... So again, it is a perfectly logical statement.

I do not hate WOW... I hate that developers are trying to copy WoW because of WoWs success.  

Originally posted by Xiaoki

The WoW haters are upset over this because it is a feature people actually want. Which means Blizzard will be making a ton more money and will further cement Blizzard as the king of MMOs.

They give reasons like "dumbing down" or "greedy" or even "lore" to make their rants seem less insane.

I guess the idea that an MMO developer would listen to its fans and actually give them what they want(within reason) is such a foreign concept to the WoW haters because something like that never happens with their current favorite MMO.

Your so full of shit... again read  my post.... Read it slowly.... My favorite game listens to its player base.  It has been running for 10+ years.

WoW is an easy game not counting the raiding with is less then 5% of the pop of WoW.  I do not want a quest grind game,, I do not enjoy them... Hense I do not enjoy WoW.   Its not that hard to understand.

googajoob7 - so if WoW offers free level 55 characters then its an example of WoW being ruined and Blizzard dumbing it down?
But Age of Conan right now has free level 50 characters and you dont care? Are you still playing AoC googajoob? When AoC started offering free level 50 characters sis you immediately quit in a fit of nerd rage? Did you complain endlessly on the forums how Funcom was ruining AoC and dumbing it down?

TdogSkal - your posts in this topic has been nothing but blind anti-WoW rants. Not worth reading.

Originally posted by Xiaoki

googajoob7 - so if WoW offers free level 55 characters then its an example of WoW being ruined and Blizzard dumbing it down?
But Age of Conan right now has free level 50 characters and you dont care? Are you still playing AoC googajoob? When AoC started offering free level 50 characters sis you immediately quit in a fit of nerd rage? Did you complain endlessly on the forums how Funcom was ruining AoC and dumbing it down?

TdogSkal - your posts in this topic has been nothing but blind anti-WoW rants. Not worth reading.

It has not.  I have been simply stating my position.   I am not anti-WoW.  I keep saying WoW is a good game.... It is not my type of game but it is still a good game.... The problem I have with WoW is that companies are tying to be "WoW" which means players that are like me are not getting a game for use... instead there are tons of games for your playstyle... What doyou not understand.

Originally posted by TdogSkal

Originally posted by Xiaoki

googajoob7 - so if WoW offers free level 55 characters then its an example of WoW being ruined and Blizzard dumbing it down?
But Age of Conan right now has free level 50 characters and you dont care? Are you still playing AoC googajoob? When AoC started offering free level 50 characters sis you immediately quit in a fit of nerd rage? Did you complain endlessly on the forums how Funcom was ruining AoC and dumbing it down?

TdogSkal - your posts in this topic has been nothing but blind anti-WoW rants. Not worth reading.

 

It has not.  I have been simply stating my position.   I am not anti-WoW.  I keep saying WoW is a good game.... It is not my type of game but it is still a good game.... The problem I have with WoW is that companies are tying to be "WoW" which means players that are like me are not getting a game for use... instead there are tons of games for your playstyle... What doyou not understand.

Then don't blame WOW or Blizzard for capitalizing on their success! What do you want - Blizzard just to stop and give up? How about they just cancel WOW and let's add it to the failure heap of MMO's...how does that sound?

Blame other companies for the failures and the constant desire to copy WOW. There are a lot of games out there not trying to copy WOW (Champion's Online comes to mind) so there are plenty of games to choose from.

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by TdogSkal

Originally posted by Xiaoki

googajoob7 - so if WoW offers free level 55 characters then its an example of WoW being ruined and Blizzard dumbing it down?
But Age of Conan right now has free level 50 characters and you dont care? Are you still playing AoC googajoob? When AoC started offering free level 50 characters sis you immediately quit in a fit of nerd rage? Did you complain endlessly on the forums how Funcom was ruining AoC and dumbing it down?

TdogSkal - your posts in this topic has been nothing but blind anti-WoW rants. Not worth reading.

 

It has not.  I have been simply stating my position.   I am not anti-WoW.  I keep saying WoW is a good game.... It is not my type of game but it is still a good game.... The problem I have with WoW is that companies are tying to be "WoW" which means players that are like me are not getting a game for use... instead there are tons of games for your playstyle... What doyou not understand.

Then don't blame WOW or Blizzard for capitalizing on their success! What do you want - Blizzard just to stop and give up? How about they just cancel WOW and let's add it to the failure heap of MMO's...how does that sound?

Blame other companies for the failures and the constant desire to copy WOW. There are a lot of games out there not trying to copy WOW (Champion's Online comes to mind) so there are plenty of games to choose from.

Theres nothing wrong with wanting a game not just like wow Templarga. You dont have to blame WoW for that, you can however blame the fly by night cash cow Asian supermarkets crapping out one useless wow clone after another only minus content but with added grinding.

I don't think the faction switch is a decline for wow to be honest. I mean your accusing wow of selling out or something, but really the game is built around sort of a pop culture fizz anyway, this kind of thing won't phaze it. WoW is probably the only mmorpg I can play and NOT be suprized to see a coke machine in it somewhere.

When it comes to the faction switch 'fo-pah'(sp?) break it down. Imagine this isnt WoW, I know thats hard.. lol.. but just imagine this is a basic game. In any game, whatever game you personally want to think of, you can never switch from one side to the other. It makes no since at all.

You dont play through starcraft as Terran, beat it, then repeat the last level as zerg so that you can build every building. No, you had to play through zerg from lvl 1 on, then play through protoss from lvl 1 on.  Maybe thats a bad example... but games werent made for give aways, they were made for a challenge.

Chess still played every day around the world, cause the rules never changed, they didnt 'dumb' it down. I seriously hope ive made a good point. Watch the movie idiocracy. I prefer a challenge, ive stopped playing wow and the minute they add a 'hard mode' button onto the log in screen I will be back. You guess can continue being fed with a spoon.

Originally posted by Basicgear

 

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faux pas

thanks. ^_^

Originally posted by Basicgear

thanks. ^_^

Np. Nice read.

Since the first expanson wow has become a joke..but lately..man they are either desperate or wanna ruin the game asap...paladins in the horde dumb, shamans in the allie dumb, fact that anyone can het full epic gear just by logging into the game dumb, change char name and realm dumbest thing...

Future changes blizz has in mind

Lvl 1 chars already born with epics and fly mount and all old world achievments completed and 10k gold in the bank.

level untill 10 and can create a lvl 80 char full tier 8

With the amount of 19.99$ players can use blizz bot program to farm mobs when sleeping