Originally posted by LoopyGarou

To all the soloers, I wouldn't worry about this. Devs have said in other interviews that CO will be very solo-friendly overall. With open beta just around the corner, the NDA is sure to drop soon and beta testers will be able to say more specific things about how soloable (or not) the various kinds of content in CO are. For now I would just advise you not to let Jack's puzzling and profoundly ironic comments concern you. :)

I thend to take anything jack says with a pound of advil. Seriously the guy need a speach coach. I can tell he means well but its "open mouth, insert both feet, knees, and a couple knuckles"

Originally posted by nekollx

Originally posted by kascrz

Originally posted by ghost047

Originally posted by MikeB

Originally posted by demonic87

Why the hell do people bother soloing in a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME. Go play an RPG if you want to make grouping pointless because you want to "solo". Sure you may not have time, but you could still just team up with someone in the same area and knock a couple quests off.

Many people seem to be confused as to why a solo player would want to play a MMOG, after all, as you and many others assert, its a massively MULTIPLAYER online game, why would a soloer be interested, and why should a developer cater to them?

Well, there are other aspects to MMOGs other than the social grouping aspect that  many people are interested in. One in particular is  the type of persistence and long term character development that MMOG's provide that draws them. Soloing in MMOG's is a perfectly viable playstyle, as is anything else.

So with that said, I would ask that you and other user's respect that, and let's not derail this discussion into an attack on other gamers' playstyles. Thanks!

Most of those said soloer are the type to burn through content in a month and since they only solo, when they hit max lvl they have nothing left to do anymore so they leave for another game. So please, spare us your argument about soloing. It's because of soloer that those game are so easy today, everything has to be made so a single player can do everything.

Where do you get your info that says most people that solo burn though content in a month? Being in the Navy on a ship only gives me enough time for a day or two a week for grouping. Even my civilian friends with good jobs don't have time to solo though a MMO in a month. I know married, working and out going people don't make up 100% of the MMO player base, but I think a good majority of players have other things in life that keep them from burning though a MMO in a month. I personaly have never meet a single person that has burned though all an MMO's content in a month. I have hundreds of  good friends (Military and Civilian)  that i have meet in my 14 years in the Navy and even the hard core gamers are not running though MMO's in a month. This wasn't an attack or angry post, just my thoughts.
 

 

amen, you can solo to MAX LEVEL in a month (or a week, a day, a few hours....) but ALL Content...yeah...not gonna happen.

I am not talking about all content. If they are soloer, they only do solo content, which means they can get through it in less than a month. Yes you can hit max lvl in a month easely, take WoW for exemple (using WoW because it is well known), you can easely get to lvl 80 in 5 days playtime, 120 hrs, which is 4 hours a day for a month and this is if you take your time.

You are telling us that all your friends has the same play style? Right now it is hard to proof, but check when Aion, Champions or even Fallen Earth (tehy are all coming out in September) look on the forum or official web sit to see how many and how long it will take to have max lvl. I remember when WAR came out, the day of the official release, their were many max lvl already (WAR had a 4 days headstart), same for AoC or even DDO.

So let us know what you soloer do when you hit max lvl. Do you PvP? Must be boring since it is way better in group. Do you raid? No, you have to group. So what do you do, stay in the main city and try to become Mayor?

Originally posted by Vrazule

Originally posted by ghost047

Originally posted by MikeB

Originally posted by demonic87

Why the hell do people bother soloing in a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME. Go play an RPG if you want to make grouping pointless because you want to "solo". Sure you may not have time, but you could still just team up with someone in the same area and knock a couple quests off.

Many people seem to be confused as to why a solo player would want to play a MMOG, after all, as you and many others assert, its a massively MULTIPLAYER online game, why would a soloer be interested, and why should a developer cater to them?

Well, there are other aspects to MMOGs other than the social grouping aspect that  many people are interested in. One in particular is  the type of persistence and long term character development that MMOG's provide that draws them. Soloing in MMOG's is a perfectly viable playstyle, as is anything else.

So with that said, I would ask that you and other user's respect that, and let's not derail this discussion into an attack on other gamers' playstyles. Thanks!

Most of those said soloer are the type to burn through content in a month and since they only solo, when they hit max lvl they have nothing left to do anymore so they leave for another game. So please, spare us your argument about soloing. It's because of soloer that those game are so easy today, everything has to be made so a single player can do everything.

 

Really?  Where is your proof to back these claims?

Single player games manage to have challenging content, it's not our fault MMO developers are clueless on how to design content.

Yes you are right, single player games are made to be challenging. How can you make a MMO challenging if you can do everything solo. Let say you go for a typical quest to kill 10 bears and you solo them, how can the dev make it harder to kill those same 10 bears with a group of 6, it would have to be instance like CoX does.

Another thing they said, mobs in the world should scale with your group, if you solo and you aggro 1 mob you will be fine and if you are a group of 3, the same mobs is suppose to call for backup or go aggro other mobs in the map.

Originally posted by ghost047

Originally posted by nekollx

Originally posted by kascrz

Originally posted by ghost047

Originally posted by MikeB

Originally posted by demonic87

Why the hell do people bother soloing in a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME. Go play an RPG if you want to make grouping pointless because you want to "solo". Sure you may not have time, but you could still just team up with someone in the same area and knock a couple quests off.

Many people seem to be confused as to why a solo player would want to play a MMOG, after all, as you and many others assert, its a massively MULTIPLAYER online game, why would a soloer be interested, and why should a developer cater to them?

Well, there are other aspects to MMOGs other than the social grouping aspect that  many people are interested in. One in particular is  the type of persistence and long term character development that MMOG's provide that draws them. Soloing in MMOG's is a perfectly viable playstyle, as is anything else.

So with that said, I would ask that you and other user's respect that, and let's not derail this discussion into an attack on other gamers' playstyles. Thanks!

Most of those said soloer are the type to burn through content in a month and since they only solo, when they hit max lvl they have nothing left to do anymore so they leave for another game. So please, spare us your argument about soloing. It's because of soloer that those game are so easy today, everything has to be made so a single player can do everything.

Where do you get your info that says most people that solo burn though content in a month? Being in the Navy on a ship only gives me enough time for a day or two a week for grouping. Even my civilian friends with good jobs don't have time to solo though a MMO in a month. I know married, working and out going people don't make up 100% of the MMO player base, but I think a good majority of players have other things in life that keep them from burning though a MMO in a month. I personaly have never meet a single person that has burned though all an MMO's content in a month. I have hundreds of  good friends (Military and Civilian)  that i have meet in my 14 years in the Navy and even the hard core gamers are not running though MMO's in a month. This wasn't an attack or angry post, just my thoughts.
 

 

amen, you can solo to MAX LEVEL in a month (or a week, a day, a few hours....) but ALL Content...yeah...not gonna happen.

I am not talking about all content. If they are soloer, they only do solo content, which means they can get through it in less than a month. Yes you can hit max lvl in a month easely, take WoW for exemple (using WoW because it is well known), you can easely get to lvl 80 in 5 days playtime, 120 hrs, which is 4 hours a day for a month and this is if you take your time.

You are telling us that all your friends has the same play style? Right now it is hard to proof, but check when Aion, Champions or even Fallen Earth (tehy are all coming out in September) look on the forum or official web sit to see how many and how long it will take to have max lvl. I remember when WAR came out, the day of the official release, their were many max lvl already (WAR had a 4 days headstart), same for AoC or even DDO.

So let us know what you soloer do when you hit max lvl. Do you PvP? Must be boring since it is way better in group. Do you raid? No, you have to group. So what do you do, stay in the main city and try to become Mayor?

you do some of the other content you missed on your road to 50/80/5,000 (yes their is a mmo with a level cap in the thousands)?

Take City of Heroes for example. I could hit 50 in a day using mission architect, farming freaks, chain task forces, or sidekicking.

Ok im 50 now what to do?

well theirs the other 3 methods

Ororboros

Time Travel to Cim

Punch Aliens

Hunt Zombies

Raid

High level taskforces

some of that requires a team to complete, some can be soloed but need a team to start. (any any of the solo tf runners. Grab 4-8 people then kick them and solo the tf on your own)

but EVERYTHING that can be soloed without tricks in one month? Your kidding yourself.

1 most MMOs are easy.

2 if you cant solo most of the content in any of the games out there currently you are either:

   A one of those morons who face pulls/ charges into several groupings of mobs and yells HEAL ME HEAL ME all day long

   B someone who absolutely loves pure healing classes and cant spend points on offense

   C soemoen who  does not want to be bothered with the A type player listed above

   D someone who has very slow mental and physical reflexes

3 Just because somethign is written in a web site article or forum dont take it as the truth.  I mean look at dana masseys articles lol they suck and are mostly hypotheical BS that is merely content filler.  I doubt most of the articles you read about video games are written by professional writer.  And, if ther were professional writers/reportes with a sense of profesionalism and not write based on opinion or heresay, i truely doubt they would have the time to play MMOs.

4 If youve played CoX then you know it is easy and since its made by the same team... well you get the picture.

5 its a comic based game - they want to publish it for young kid sales so it cant be too difficult.  granted the median age of gamers is 25 or whatever, you cant make a comic based game and not have it be acessible to young kids.

i can go on but i keep getting warnings from the forum admins every time i open my mouth in these forums - so i will end with this... if you cant play a game its probably cuz you suck so get better and stop teh QQ

Originally posted by nekollx

some of that requires a team to complete, some can be soloed but need a team to start. (any any of the solo tf runners. Grab 4-8 people then kick them and solo the tf on your own)

There it is, you said it and that's exactly why I don't want the soloer mentality in my games.

Originally posted by gaeanprayer

I don't agree that an MMO "shines" when in a team. If you happen to play with a group of friends or a guild not filled with twits, then yes. However, PUGs are far more typical and they rarely work out well. In fact, they usually just make me question the intelligence of many players.

 

I think a game needs a balance of Team and Solo oriented play. The bulk of the game should be fun for one, great for two, with some very epic and in-depth quest/mission series for entire groups to campaign together in.

 

 

 Heh this is so true, in most mmorpgs when I get into a pug group I have seen some real stupid things, especally in ff11. you run into so many morons who have used level sync and have 0 idea how to play their job later and also have gimped to hell weaponskills and are generally a waste of a slot.

Originally posted by ghost047

Originally posted by nekollx

some of that requires a team to complete, some can be soloed but need a team to start. (any any of the solo tf runners. Grab 4-8 people then kick them and solo the tf on your own)

 

There it is, you said it and that's exactly why I don't want the soloer mentality in my games.

So are all solo'ers jerks then? Just asking since you seem to equate jerk behavior  with "soloer mentality"?

Someone else said it above. The MMO market has grown up. For many of us who started in MMO's with EQ, we have gotten older. many have gotten married and have kids. Along with that comes homes and life responsibility and things that come up. I am lucky if I get 1-2 nights of uninterrrupted game play a week (and I do not have kids).

So when it comes to the soloing versus group question, I have to ask myself: "Will I play a game where I can solo and do 90% of the stuff on my own; or will I play a game where I have to do 90% of the stuff in groups, all the while causing my groups to wait while I go AFK for this or that?"

And I don't mean AFK for 3 minutes for a BIO or a drink...I mean 30 minutes to cook dinner, 2 hours to mow the grass, 15 minutes to answer the door or take an important phone call. And do I want to do this day in and day out, repeatedly, over and over again? And do I want to play a game where there is a good chance all 5-8 people in my group will be doing the SAME thing?

The answer is no. It is not that I do not like grouping...I love it. But I simply do not have the time to commit like I did 10 years ago. However, I like the community that an MMo brings and the social aspect and honestly, only poorly designed MMO's focus their social aspect around groups.

Originally posted by ghost047

Originally posted by nekollx

some of that requires a team to complete, some can be soloed but need a team to start. (any any of the solo tf runners. Grab 4-8 people then kick them and solo the tf on your own)

 

There it is, you said it and that's exactly why I don't want the soloer mentality in my games.

nice example in taking things out of context.

What wit hthe subject of my post being ways to solo thing not "technically' for solo play. So i'm a jerk if i broadcast "forming one man run of Positron TF, need 2 bodies to start then you can quit"

Eh, we will see.  Thats all I can say.  =)

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by ghost047

Originally posted by nekollx

some of that requires a team to complete, some can be soloed but need a team to start. (any any of the solo tf runners. Grab 4-8 people then kick them and solo the tf on your own)

 

There it is, you said it and that's exactly why I don't want the soloer mentality in my games.

So are all solo'ers jerks then? Just asking since you seen to equate jerk behavior described above with "soloer mentality"?

Someone else said it above. The MMO market has grown up. For many of us who started in MMO's with EQ, we have gotten older. many have gotten married and have kids. Along with that comes homes and life responsibility and things that come up. I am lucky if I get 1-2 nights of uninterrrupted game play a week (and I do not have kids).

So when it comes to the soloing versus group question, I have to ask myself: "Will I play a game where I can solo and do 90% of the stuff on my own; or will I play a game where I have to do 90% of the stuff in groups, all the while causing my groups to wait while I go AFK for this or that?"

And I don't mean AFK for 3 minutes for a BIO or a drink...I mean 30 minutes to cook dinner, 2 hours to mow the grass, 15 minutes to answer the door or take an important phone call. And do I want to do this day in and day out, repeatedly, over and over again? And do I want to play a game where there is a good chance all 5-8 people in my group will be doing the SAME thing?

The answer is no. It is not that I do not like grouping...I love it. But I simply do not have the time to commit like I did 10 years ago. However, I like the community that an MMo brings and the social aspect and honestly, only poorly designed MMO's focus their social aspect around groups.

Thanks for the laugh, you and your excuses, like your the only one with things to do beside gaming. i get it, you take 30 mins to cook diner, why do you have to do it in the middle of a play session, eat and after go play. Mow the grass, in the evening? 15 min to answer the door, what does it say on it, free donuts? We all have stuff to do, the thing I use is call a schedule.

Let me explain you how it works for most of the adult gaming community (since your not but think you are)

Monday to Thursday

Finish work between 4-5pm get the kids on the way home.

Cook dinner between 5-6pm

Play with the kids between 6-7pm

Gives kids the bath between 7-8pm and send them to bed

Play games between 8-12pm

You have a 4 hours window to play your games 4 times a week (16hours/week) sure you do not play every night, you have to be with you wife/girlfriend.

On the weekend you even have more free time to play.

If you come back and say that this is not how it works, it is because you have none of those things or you have no idea how schedule your time.

Originally posted by ghost047

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by ghost047

Originally posted by nekollx

some of that requires a team to complete, some can be soloed but need a team to start. (any any of the solo tf runners. Grab 4-8 people then kick them and solo the tf on your own)

 

There it is, you said it and that's exactly why I don't want the soloer mentality in my games.

So are all solo'ers jerks then? Just asking since you seen to equate jerk behavior described above with "soloer mentality"?

Someone else said it above. The MMO market has grown up. For many of us who started in MMO's with EQ, we have gotten older. many have gotten married and have kids. Along with that comes homes and life responsibility and things that come up. I am lucky if I get 1-2 nights of uninterrrupted game play a week (and I do not have kids).

So when it comes to the soloing versus group question, I have to ask myself: "Will I play a game where I can solo and do 90% of the stuff on my own; or will I play a game where I have to do 90% of the stuff in groups, all the while causing my groups to wait while I go AFK for this or that?"

And I don't mean AFK for 3 minutes for a BIO or a drink...I mean 30 minutes to cook dinner, 2 hours to mow the grass, 15 minutes to answer the door or take an important phone call. And do I want to do this day in and day out, repeatedly, over and over again? And do I want to play a game where there is a good chance all 5-8 people in my group will be doing the SAME thing?

The answer is no. It is not that I do not like grouping...I love it. But I simply do not have the time to commit like I did 10 years ago. However, I like the community that an MMo brings and the social aspect and honestly, only poorly designed MMO's focus their social aspect around groups.

Thanks for the laugh, you and your excuses, like your the only one with things to do beside gaming. i get it, you take 30 mins to cook diner, why do you have to do it in the middle of a play session, eat and after go play. Mow the grass, in the evening? 15 min to answer the door, what does it say on it, free donuts? We all have stuff to do, the thing I use is call a schedule.

Let me explain you how it works for most of the adult gaming community (since your not but think you are)

Monday to Thursday

Finish work between 4-5pm get the kids on the way home.

Cook dinner between 5-6pm

Play with the kids between 6-7pm

Gives kids the bath between 7-8pm and send them to bed

Play games between 8-12pm

You have a 4 hours window to play your games 4 times a week (16hours/week) sure you do not play every night, you have to be with you wife/girlfriend.

On the weekend you even have more free time to play.

If you come back and say that this is not how it works, it is because you have none of those things or you have no idea how schedule your time.

You ignored the comment about jerk behavior relating to solo'ers so I guess that is a yes. You think all solo'ers are jerks and are out to ruin your precious game.

The point is not everyone has YOUR schedule and not everyone has a job that ends at 5:00 so just because it works for you, doesn't mean it works for everyone. And for those of us who do not have the time to play like we use too, games that at least recognize the solo'er are a welcomed respite from the "play 12 hours a day to get anything done" ones of the past.

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by ghost047

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by ghost047

Originally posted by nekollx

some of that requires a team to complete, some can be soloed but need a team to start. (any any of the solo tf runners. Grab 4-8 people then kick them and solo the tf on your own)

 

There it is, you said it and that's exactly why I don't want the soloer mentality in my games.

So are all solo'ers jerks then? Just asking since you seen to equate jerk behavior described above with "soloer mentality"?

Someone else said it above. The MMO market has grown up. For many of us who started in MMO's with EQ, we have gotten older. many have gotten married and have kids. Along with that comes homes and life responsibility and things that come up. I am lucky if I get 1-2 nights of uninterrrupted game play a week (and I do not have kids).

So when it comes to the soloing versus group question, I have to ask myself: "Will I play a game where I can solo and do 90% of the stuff on my own; or will I play a game where I have to do 90% of the stuff in groups, all the while causing my groups to wait while I go AFK for this or that?"

And I don't mean AFK for 3 minutes for a BIO or a drink...I mean 30 minutes to cook dinner, 2 hours to mow the grass, 15 minutes to answer the door or take an important phone call. And do I want to do this day in and day out, repeatedly, over and over again? And do I want to play a game where there is a good chance all 5-8 people in my group will be doing the SAME thing?

The answer is no. It is not that I do not like grouping...I love it. But I simply do not have the time to commit like I did 10 years ago. However, I like the community that an MMo brings and the social aspect and honestly, only poorly designed MMO's focus their social aspect around groups.

Thanks for the laugh, you and your excuses, like your the only one with things to do beside gaming. i get it, you take 30 mins to cook diner, why do you have to do it in the middle of a play session, eat and after go play. Mow the grass, in the evening? 15 min to answer the door, what does it say on it, free donuts? We all have stuff to do, the thing I use is call a schedule.

Let me explain you how it works for most of the adult gaming community (since your not but think you are)

Monday to Thursday

Finish work between 4-5pm get the kids on the way home.

Cook dinner between 5-6pm

Play with the kids between 6-7pm

Gives kids the bath between 7-8pm and send them to bed

Play games between 8-12pm

You have a 4 hours window to play your games 4 times a week (16hours/week) sure you do not play every night, you have to be with you wife/girlfriend.

On the weekend you even have more free time to play.

If you come back and say that this is not how it works, it is because you have none of those things or you have no idea how schedule your time.

You ignored the comment about jerk behavior relating to solo'ers so I guess that is a yes. You think all solo'ers are jerks and are out to ruin your precious game.

The point is not everyone has YOUR schedule and not everyone has a job that ends at 5:00 so just because it works for you, doesn't mean it works for everyone. And for those of us who do not have the time to play like we use too, games that at least recognize the solo'er are a welcomed respite from the "play 12 hours a day to get anything done" ones of the past.

Ok I will answer your question about the jerk part, I didn't answer because you miss understood what I said and I didn't want to start a flame war.

I never said soloer were jerks, I said I didn't not want the soloer Mentality which is very different. You know the type of soloer who group with you only if they need something and will kick you out of the group as soon as it is done. Everyone likes to solo from time to time, I just don't like when you can solo the whole game, because at the end when you need to team to PvP, Raid or whatever, people usualy don't know how to play their toon in group or they build it for solo play.

A clarification from Cryptic's latest State of the Game:

"There was a BIG miscommunication in a recent interview where the writer made it sound like there wasn’t enough content for solo players to get to the level cap. While we have been putting a greater emphasis on getting group content into the game, players can easily solo their way to the level cap if that’s how they want to play. We hope this clears things up."

Originally posted by humwha

Originally posted by sairusco

I do like soloing a lot in mmorpgs, I do solo as much as possible and group up only for instances, raids and quests that are really not soloable. Easy to say I should not play mmorpg's but single player rpg's just dont have the huge amount of added content over time and they usually do not have a social environment.

 

While i respect your play style and how you want to play i don't feel they should cater to you and change the game to the way you like.  Its not like you don't have options there are online rpg's that don't cost monthly that have the option of playing online whith people or not dlc or player created content.

And if you want the social environment that kind of is grouping, but if you just want to talk online you got a cell phone or xfire.

 

 

To someone who favors grouping, my response is:

"While I respect your play style and how you want to play I don't feel they should cater to you and change the game to the way you like.   Its not like you don't have options...."

Originally posted by LoopyGarou

To all the soloers, I wouldn't worry about this. Devs have said in other interviews that CO will be very solo-friendly overall. With open beta just around the corner, the NDA is sure to drop soon and beta testers will be able to say more specific things about how soloable (or not) the various kinds of content in CO are. For now I would just advise you not to let Jack's puzzling and profoundly ironic comments concern you. :)

well said, I agree!

Originally posted by LoopyGarou

A clarification from Cryptic's latest State of the Game:

"There was a BIG miscommunication in a recent interview where the writer made it sound like there wasn’t enough content for solo players to get to the level cap. While we have been putting a greater emphasis on getting group content into the game, players can easily solo their way to the level cap if that’s how they want to play. We hope this clears things up."

and AMEN to that brother! LOL

Originally posted by Kyleran

Well, the idea that it is more group oriented actually made my interest level go up a notch, but it was quickly squashed by the comments that its uses an action oriented combat style well suited to console games.

 

Ah, the endless feud between solo players and group players.  It is something which will never end.  Neither has need of the other when they are playing in a game as their play styles are exclusive of one another.

I tend to enjoy interacting and playing with groups more because they aren't running off program code and thus predictable.  To be honest, most of the most entertaining play has come from laughing my butt off on stupid things players have done or accomplished.  Done solo, you cannot truly share in the experience with others, so aside from bragging rights, it seems hollow.

That said, I like the fact CO will have lots of Group based content.  It is also nice there will be solo leveling methods so one can play at any time and have something to do.

Perhaps they should include rating system to identify the best or designed player intent.  I mean since it would seem MMO is no longer to be understood as actual multiplayer, they could just add the standard identifies as to how many people the game is designed for during play.  You know like offline games state Single player, Multiplayer 1-4, Multiplayer 2-6, etc.

Originally posted by Tokken

Originally posted by LoopyGarou

A clarification from Cryptic's latest State of the Game:

"There was a BIG miscommunication in a recent interview where the writer made it sound like there wasn’t enough content for solo players to get to the level cap. While we have been putting a greater emphasis on getting group content into the game, players can easily solo their way to the level cap if that’s how they want to play. We hope this clears things up."

 

and AMEN to that brother! LOL

It doesn't clear anything up. Every game could put 1 mob that was soloable for every level into their game and claim "You can solo all the way to the level cap!" ... Sure, if you don't mind grinding the same mob 500,000 times each level.