Your comparing a game that has yet to come in NA/EU with a game that been out for years.... lol seriously give it time.

"Have played in the betas so far, and it's a fun game, but is no WoW killer. "

It is for me. I canceled my WoW subscription (4th time), i will be back with next expansion probably anyway.

"And while this game isn't over the top difficult, the questing is a pain along with a few other items that will cause it to lose about half of it's player base withing the first half year."

This game has right balance - it is hard enough to be challenging, and easy enough not to be frustrating. Unlike wow, which now is so easy that it is frustrating (there is no longer point in playing), and there are another things planned to make it even easier.

I hope this game does surpass WoW, then people can rant about the Aion killer and blizzard can get some peace and quiet already.

Originally posted by Scalebane

I hope this game does surpass WoW, then people can rant about the Aion killer and blizzard can get some peace and quiet already.

Like Blizzard givesa stuff what ppl post here.

Even though there are a few players that are mature enough, WoW is an immature fest.

I for one don't want Aion to even put a dent in WoW's sub numbers, because that will lead at least a million players from the most immature community I have ever experienced into Aion.

It makes sense of course, as the more players the more idiots, and WoW has the majority of them playing an exceedingly easy game, which is still being dumbed down (is this even possible?) with every patch.

No thanks.

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by Scalebane

I hope this game does surpass WoW, then people can rant about the Aion killer and blizzard can get some peace and quiet already.

 

Like Blizzard givesa stuff what ppl post here.

I'm sure that blizzard love the fact Aion is taking alot their subs away, it's great for business isn't it ? fool

Originally posted by nblitz

For the people who do manage to get drawn into Aion (and from what I read on other forums they're MANY) I cannot see how they can go back to WoW. I tried, but I can't. So I've rerolled countless times, spent DAYS on crafting and I'm still not sick of it all.

Seeing the patches and the quality of it all that the devs are giving us I get excited every time I think about it.

I haven't been this schoolgirly about a game since...well...since pre-BC WoW and Metal Gear Solid 1 (psx).

I find myself jumping to other MMO's only to be disapointed  with it personally (AOC, WAR) but each time I go back to WOW I stay in it shorter and shorter in time.  It won't be long time I find one that will be a good fit but for me WOW has run it's course and I had many years of fun in there.  So those that continue to stay in WOW will have the same fun they are having but I feel Aion will be a nice change of pace needed for me to stay in a game.

I as well don't wish for WOW to fold up and die either because each game trying to fight for the players hopefully means the companies will try to come up with new ideas and actually work towards a game people want to stay in. 

Originally posted by nblitz

 

Seeing the patches and the quality of it all that the devs are giving us I get excited every time I think about it.

I haven't been this schoolgirly about a game since...well...since pre-BC WoW and Metal Gear Solid 1 (psx).

In the current patch notes we have

Crusaders' Coliseum a new raid that is exactly the same as every other new raid lately. It will be nerfed a week after release because people will moan its too hard.

A new 40man battleground that is basically AV with siege vehicles. Siege vehicles are boring as hell, why did they add this rubbish? I want to play a fantasy MMO not ride a steamtank.

Even more new mounts that are just recoloured old mounts.

Gains from 2v2 arena removed because they couldn't balance fotm classes.

XP gain from PVP with the ability to 'turn it off' which I think is lame because WoW used to be about following the way the game was made but now its about whining long enough to get what you want.

Expanded Raid ID times because people need longer to do raids cause people don't log on and when they do theyre afk in the raid anyway.

More emblem token changes. The whole idea of buying gear from vendors is retarded the point of the game was that you owned that rare epic item because you were a badass warrior and killed the dragon but these days simple vendors in the city own 100 of each epic item that you can buy off them for a token, I mean what the hell? 

Another load of class changes, classes are getting changed so much these days its silly.

Mounts available at level 20/40/60, pathetic. Let's just let players buy levels from the NPC's too. Cold weather flying can now be learnt via a book sent to a level 70 character. Great now you can even skip the brand new content too.

Some new UI changes: Casting bars under a target's portrait will now indicate whether or not the cast can be interrupted.

Is this really needed? Are people that clueless that they need this rubbish?

New quest helper feature for those too thick to download the addon now Blizzard will do that for you too.

Some profession changes that will get changed again next patch anyway. They boosted engineeromg this time but they will have to boost the other ones now because people will moan that "Nitro Boosts: Now have a 5-second duration" is too overpowered and they demand whatever professions they own to be boosted upto par!!!

A truck load of tooltip corrections and bug fixes. Yay

Those patch notes were so juicy I creamed myself. Oh wait........

Originally posted by Biohunter

 

Some of us would want to because we enjoy a challenge. If there are players out there interested in shorting themselves the experience then thats cool too. But I liked to be pushed. Im too old to play tackle football so this fills that competitive void. I tried to do that with my wife but, she's a worse loser than I am. :-)

I'm sorry but this is just too rich. A challenge in WOTLK... really? WoW does a ton of great things in how it lets everyone do everything. It's just funny how everything is so easy mode. Instances do not even require you to mark pulls like in TBC or before... you just aoe pull everything now (granted you still do some of it in 25 mans). Heck Vault drops 8.5 tier and that's designed to be pugged every week. I'd rather not do hard mode either since there is pretty much nothing to do after that. I got bored with the game in 07 after ROS and had a full suit of shadow gear (the rest of the bosses were a joke)... i didn't feel like waiting till march for the Sunwell. The game got soft after they removed attunements etc.

Oh and this isn't to say Aion is more hardcore or not ive only betaed. Im just saying i disagree with the "challenge" of WoW these days. But who really cares about that... if you have fun you have fun. It doesn't matter if you're playing Hello Kitty Island if you like it then play it who gives a damn. You like WoW? No problem, hope you enjoy it. We'll enjoy our game also.

I find myself jumping to other MMO's only to be disapointed  with it personally (AOC, WAR) but each time I go back to WOW I stay in it shorter and shorter in time.  It won't be long time I find one that will be a good fit but for me WOW has run it's course and I had many years of fun in there.  So those that continue to stay in WOW will have the same fun they are having but I feel Aion will be a nice change of pace needed for me to stay in a game.

I as well don't wish for WOW to fold up and die either because each game trying to fight for the players hopefully means the companies will try to come up with new ideas and actually work towards a game people want to stay in. 

Problem with mmos is it can take awhile / time dedication to see how good the game is. That's why game reviews of an mmo are pointless unless they indicate the level, time they played, and what they did in the game. MMOs are all stuck in that mold of leveling out through quests and stuff when a lot of people just want to see how the end game is. I mean WAR wasn't exactly perfect throughout the leveling but i was only truely disappointed once i saw how badly implemented the end game pvp was.

If you're looking for a mold breaker Aion may not be for you. But if you want to try something else with potientially good pvp and see where it goes (unfortunetly that's just how things work) give it a shot. I mean no one has really done that well except of daoc in my opinion.

Ive found myself enjoying beta so far and will play it during launch. How's the game at the end? No idea, but im willing to try it out. Like you said it is also a nice change of pace.

Originally posted by SaetiaBelle

Originally posted by nblitz

 

Seeing the patches and the quality of it all that the devs are giving us I get excited every time I think about it.

I haven't been this schoolgirly about a game since...well...since pre-BC WoW and Metal Gear Solid 1 (psx).

 

In the current patch notes we have

Crusaders' Coliseum a new raid that is exactly the same as every other new raid lately. It will be nerfed a week after release because people will moan its too hard.

A new 40man battleground that is basically AV with siege vehicles. Siege vehicles are boring as hell, why did they add this rubbish? I want to play a fantasy MMO not ride a steamtank.

Even more new mounts that are just recoloured old mounts.

Gains from 2v2 arena removed because they couldn't balance fotm classes.

XP gain from PVP with the ability to 'turn it off' which I think is lame because WoW used to be about following the way the game was made but now its about whining long enough to get what you want.

Expanded Raid ID times because people need longer to do raids cause people don't log on and when they do theyre afk in the raid anyway.

More emblem token changes. The whole idea of buying gear from vendors is retarded the point of the game was that you owned that rare epic item because you were a badass warrior and killed the dragon but these days simple vendors in the city own 100 of each epic item that you can buy off them for a token, I mean what the hell? 

Another load of class changes, classes are getting changed so much these days its silly.

Mounts available at level 20/40/60, pathetic. Let's just let players buy levels from the NPC's too. Cold weather flying can now be learnt via a book sent to a level 70 character. Great now you can even skip the brand new content too.

Some new UI changes: Casting bars under a target's portrait will now indicate whether or not the cast can be interrupted.

Is this really needed? Are people that clueless that they need this rubbish?

New quest helper feature for those too thick to download the addon now Blizzard will do that for you too.

Some profession changes that will get changed again next patch anyway. They boosted engineeromg this time but they will have to boost the other ones now because people will moan that "Nitro Boosts: Now have a 5-second duration" is too overpowered and they demand whatever professions they own to be boosted upto par!!!

A truck load of tooltip corrections and bug fixes. Yay

Those patch notes were so juicy I creamed myself. Oh wait........

 

So true .. and you forgot to mention that rogues will be able to use axes too .. Well it's REALLY "rogueish" to run around with two axes, becous the kids playing em, didn't think daggers or swords were cool enough I guess..

Besides .. Wtf happend with that Death Knight class.. A way overpowered class STARTING in lvl 55 is just against everything WoW used to stand for imo.. -> Spending a long and often boring time, leveling your char with the dream of being one of the über-cool geard guys, duelling outside orgrimmar ... Now you'll get raped by a noob death knight geared fully from DK-only quests..

Aion is IMO a refreshing wind blow for those who needs to play a game which is everything we loved about wow, but with new grapichs/land/classes/contents/professions/skills and so on, to explore .. Besides .. I was getting really tired of all these orcs n elfs..

I pre-purchased Aion and I've been playing the events so far .. And I love Aion for what I've seen and I'm sure my friends will too

P.s I play wow myself, but I swear I'm leaving when Aion is out

Originally posted by SaetiaBelle

Originally posted by nblitz

 

Seeing the patches and the quality of it all that the devs are giving us I get excited every time I think about it.

I haven't been this schoolgirly about a game since...well...since pre-BC WoW and Metal Gear Solid 1 (psx).

 

In the current patch notes we have

Crusaders' Coliseum a new raid that is exactly the same as every other new raid lately. It will be nerfed a week after release because people will moan its too hard.

A new 40man battleground that is basically AV with siege vehicles. Siege vehicles are boring as hell, why did they add this rubbish? I want to play a fantasy MMO not ride a steamtank.

Even more new mounts that are just recoloured old mounts.

Gains from 2v2 arena removed because they couldn't balance fotm classes.

XP gain from PVP with the ability to 'turn it off' which I think is lame because WoW used to be about following the way the game was made but now its about whining long enough to get what you want.

Expanded Raid ID times because people need longer to do raids cause people don't log on and when they do theyre afk in the raid anyway.

More emblem token changes. The whole idea of buying gear from vendors is retarded the point of the game was that you owned that rare epic item because you were a badass warrior and killed the dragon but these days simple vendors in the city own 100 of each epic item that you can buy off them for a token, I mean what the hell? 

Another load of class changes, classes are getting changed so much these days its silly.

Mounts available at level 20/40/60, pathetic. Let's just let players buy levels from the NPC's too. Cold weather flying can now be learnt via a book sent to a level 70 character. Great now you can even skip the brand new content too.

Some new UI changes: Casting bars under a target's portrait will now indicate whether or not the cast can be interrupted.

Is this really needed? Are people that clueless that they need this rubbish?

New quest helper feature for those too thick to download the addon now Blizzard will do that for you too.

Some profession changes that will get changed again next patch anyway. They boosted engineeromg this time but they will have to boost the other ones now because people will moan that "Nitro Boosts: Now have a 5-second duration" is too overpowered and they demand whatever professions they own to be boosted upto par!!!

A truck load of tooltip corrections and bug fixes. Yay

Those patch notes were so juicy I creamed myself. Oh wait........

 

No no, I was talking about Aion patch notes :p Especially the latest one. 1.5.

Sorry for the confusion. WoW died for me when I entered Black Temple, pre-nerf.

It may not be the WoW Killer, but even Blizzard itself has realized that WoW's time in the sun has come and gone. Why would they be working on a new MMO behind the scenes if WoW is going so well? If WoW's still this grand, glorious moneymaker, why would Blizzard feel the need to begin work on a new MMO that they are keeping hush-hush for the most part? Answer: Even Blizzard realizes that it's time to move on.

No no, I was talking about Aion patch notes :p Especially the latest one. 1.5.

Sorry for the confusion. WoW died for me when I entered Black Temple, pre-nerf.

I am glad!

I have been over to mmo champion and it is full of addicted players who actually think the patch notes are awesome for wow, but upon further gazing of the forums they are full of a million whine posts. Its very ironic. WoW was a great game but it died for me a long time ago. It used to be a great achievement to get max level and an epic and you went about saying 'what if you could do this' but knowing you can't because the game is not made that way... but now there are no 'what ifs' because Blizzard are giving the customers everything they ever asked for. The game is written by the players whereas I prefer to play a game that's already been made and is made to stay that way.

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Originally posted by Electriceye

Even though there are a few players that are mature enough, WoW is an immature fest.
I for one don't want Aion to even put a dent in WoW's sub numbers, because that will lead at least a million players from the most immature community I have ever experienced into Aion.
It makes sense of course, as the more players the more idiots, and WoW has the majority of them playing an exceedingly easy game, which is still being dumbed down (is this even possible?) with every patch.
 
No thanks.

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Originally posted by SaetiaBelle
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'what if you could do this' but knowing you can't because the game is not made that way<>

And therein lies the magic for me with MMORPGs. That carrot on a stick. That one thing that's impossible for the majority to obtain but look at them try :p

Looks like WoW is going to be coming back to China with an upgrade (WotLK finally got approved).

http://www.wow.com/2009/07/22/chinas-ministry-of-culture-approves-wow-content/2#comments

Lets see how AION fares now with the playing field leveled.

Originally posted by KaitarBesh

I still think it's great that the Aion fankids will lick someone' s feet if they come in here saying "OMG AION AWESOME IT WILL KILL WOW 1 BILLION SUBS SO GREAT!" but the second someone is like "meh, it's ok"  or "meh, didn't like it" they just get rabid and start with the "don't judge it u stupid WoW player" BS.

Aion is a decent game. It's nothing new. It's nothing innovative. It has ok graphics if you like anime style artwork. It has wings. It has semi-open PVP and a lot of grinding late game.   The end.

 

Take that how you will.

Have you read the WoW forums? Have you tried to be different in WoW?

the WoW community is 10x worse than Aions. When i get flamed for playing a Warrior differently than the "Best" spec and end up have to play by myself most of the time because i can’t get a group, I’m done. Whats the point of customizing a class when in the end unless your built the same way everyone else you’ll be playing alone.(this is all personal experience so if it didn’t happen to you congratz) Even on the forums you can't have an opinion on the game without getting bitched at by all the WoW fanbois.

i know the Aion community isn’t perfect but it seems to me after looking at both sides, Aion is carrying the more mature players who have the ability to think for themselves and not just jump on the band wagon because it happens to be the "cool" thing at the time.

The only game that will Kill WoW, is the next Blizz MMO which I don't even know if they will be making another one but if they do I hope its a Diablo MMO.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

LOL
 

AYAwn has people with wings on their backs.

In Wow you have at least 50 + personal flying mounts to choose from and you can fly everywhere in Northrend and Outland.

I can parachute, ride tanks, joust, use catapults and real time destruction of Keeps in WOW...

I can choose from the massively played Wintergrasp, 6 BG's , 5 Arenas , leveling through PvP in patch 3.2, massive City Raids and simply the BEST PVE Raid content of ANY mmorpg which btw is scaled. Only a handful guilds can down the last Ulduar Raid boss.

That scaled PVE content is supplemented with real time animated destruction of Keeps and ... phasing: the world changes for good ...according to your questing.

 

Yep a Korean product and then you have a Blizzard product, which upped the standards in 3.2 once again.

Jesus what a choice.

 

Flying mounts are cool

parachuting is not a common thing, vehicles are one of the worst things in the game, the crusader area is fail....what real time destruction of keeps?

WG is yet another failure, the BGs are boring as hell and populated by retards, arenas are an absolute joke right now and never were anything special

they're finally putting in PvP leveling after 6 years? WOW, grats

city raids are probably the single biggest joke of PvP

the PvE content is unbelievably easy and serves no purpose outside of PvE, also populated by retards and if your a serious player, you need to invest in it like full time job

WoW is fail