ive been playing eve for a bit more than 6 months and ive been killed a fair amount of times, but the ones that bother me the most are the ones that really had no purpose at all.

when i get killed by pirates for a reason, my loot, my salvage or simply i trespassed in their hunting territory (0.0 sov) or get killed by a war dec in my head i feel,

"ohhhh noooo, oh well... damn that was a big loss, good job though... ok to go replace my stuff... uggh" (part of the game and the enemy got something out of it)

but when i get killed by a grieffers who just do it for the fun of doing it, for no real purpose and get absolutely nothing out of it other than a +1 in their killboard, i get the feel:

" damnit, why? what was the point? !@##%@"

i dont see any real purpose or any advancement in the game by doing that"

am i missing something?

out of all the deaths by grieffers this one is the one i found most strange.

conversation are not actual quotes but is fairly acurate

private chat open (from the dude who just destroyed a whole mining operations 3 retrievers 2 covetors and 1 or 2  itties and a drake we where in a wormhole (with our pos and everything))

Grieffer - Hey

Me- hi

Grieffer - im the guy who killed you in the wormhole

Me - ok... so what...

Grieffer- we destroyed your whole mining op

Me- so you are gloating because you killed 5 ships that cant shoot back and it took you 3 ships to break my drake's tank?

Grieffer - 150 million and we can give you a waypoint back into the wormhole

Me- if you are going to negociate make sure you know what is at stake. the POS is worth 100 million and we just started mining as you should have noticed since there was no jetcans out, you had us bubbled down and completely at your mercy we would have gladly payed you 150 million not to blow us up and leave us...

Grieffer has left the conversation

(we always keep an alt with just astrometrics 3 rangefinding 3) in the POS offline in case of mishaps. it was our fault that we where careless and didnt see them come in) 

but like i said, am i missing something about simply getting a +1 in your killboard and nothing else?

Well like you said you got careless. If you had a POS in the WH you should have also known who you were connected too and the likelihood someone would come thru. Sounds like some high sec chumps that just got really lucky. I've used POS's in WH's and never got caught off guard. Having said that, there were plenty of times I had to just hide behind the shield and log off because of numbers.

I also found that if you know where your WH's lead and talk to the people in other WH's you can pretty much eliminate them as a threat and focus on the few WH's that connect to really busy high or low sec areas. Then just lie low at those times.
 

No real point in blaming anyone other than yourself, because people wanting to grieve miners isn't going to change. Sorry about the loss but the truth is they probably had to scan you down first and the probes and the ships really should have sent up some warning bells.

Originally posted by qazyman

Well like you said you got careless. If you had a POS in the WH you should have also known who you were connected too and the likelihood someone would come thru. Sounds like some high sec chumps that just got really lucky. I've used POS's in WH's and never got caught off guard. Having said that, there were plenty of times I had to just hide behind the shield and log off because of numbers.

I also found that if you know where your WH's lead and talk to the people in other WH's you can pretty much eliminate them as a threat and focus on the few WH's that connect to really busy high or low sec areas. Then just lie low at those times.
 

No real point in blaming anyone other than yourself, because people wanting to grieve miners isn't going to change. Sorry about the loss but the truth is they probably had to scan you down first and the probes and the ships really should have sent up some warning bells.

dude i know we got careless and we usually monitor the wormholes better than that (which is not the point of the topic)and i am not blaming anyone else other than ourselves for being careless, from that day on we have avoided many losses, i just dont see the point in grieffing for the fun of it and was wondering if there was something i am missing, because it seems to be  more common than i thought it was

You're missing the 150M ISK ransom he was trying to get out of you.

I dunno, I'm with the pies on this one, simply because you had tons of people mining and nobody bothered to pay enough attention to the scanner to see the hostile probes and then to see the ships coming in. 

Usually you want to hurry and kill your victim before reinforcements arrive. Well I guess I just think this way from living in 0.0 all this time were a blob is just a few mins away. We dont offer ransom or anything. We usually just hurry and kill the victim and move on (if roaming enemy space).

If you shooting at haulers you probably just wanna hurry and kill so you can see the loot. Haulers are kinda like Santa Claus in EVE they can be full of billions in BPOs. Ofc in your case you was just mining in a WH....

The griefers that annoy me is the ones that just come to a system and sit there like all day fudging up local. I can see if you just passing through and trying to get some fast ganks really I do. But if you just gonna troll local all day that just annoying. These types of people need a life in my book. I see too many people in EVE they have way too much time on their hands

Originally posted by Squal'Zell

Originally posted by qazyman

Well like you said you got careless. If you had a POS in the WH you should have also known who you were connected too and the likelihood someone would come thru. Sounds like some high sec chumps that just got really lucky. I've used POS's in WH's and never got caught off guard. Having said that, there were plenty of times I had to just hide behind the shield and log off because of numbers.

I also found that if you know where your WH's lead and talk to the people in other WH's you can pretty much eliminate them as a threat and focus on the few WH's that connect to really busy high or low sec areas. Then just lie low at those times.
 

No real point in blaming anyone other than yourself, because people wanting to grieve miners isn't going to change. Sorry about the loss but the truth is they probably had to scan you down first and the probes and the ships really should have sent up some warning bells.

dude i know we got careless and we usually monitor the wormholes better than that (which is not the point of the topic)and i am not blaming anyone else other than ourselves for being careless, from that day on we have avoided many losses, i just dont see the point in grieffing for the fun of it and was wondering if there was something i am missing, because it seems to be  more common than i thought it was

Well a WH would be pretty boring if people weren't allways trying to kill you. You call it what you want, but it takes time and isk and a fair amount of risk to challenge people and win on a regular basis. Just as much as many forms of industry. When you have the courage to challenge other players directly you add excitement to the game and you are truely putting it on the line. That being the case (and the fact that EVE is clearly a PVP game) the only real point I saw was that you got careless.

mea culpa

Griefing in Eve is a bannable offense.
Needless to say, what that guy did had nothing to do with griefing..

looks like that guy got your loot, your system, your pos, your belts, some nice killmails and some fun as well as a chance to gloat and epeen it up.

had you been red, i would have done the exact same thing, possibly without the gloating.

LOL no one even probably read the OP's post and used their brain while at it.  Happens alot in forums, I wonder why?

None of the reply even match what the OP was saying intending to convey.

Yes, killing without purpose in MMO is common.  Mainly due to the "it is just a game" mentality.  However, that one incident was funny.  Asking for a ransom after blowing up all the ships is like holding an air molecule hostage.

At the same time you really can't expect many people who plays alot of mmo to have decent level of intellect most times.

Originally posted by Squal'Zell 

but when i get killed by a grieffers who just do it for the fun of doing it, for no real purpose and get absolutely nothing out of it other than a +1 in their killboard, i get the feel:

" damnit, why? what was the point? !@##%@"

i dont see any real purpose or any advancement in the game by doing that"

am i missing something?

...[cut]...

but like i said, am i missing something about simply getting a +1 in your killboard and nothing else?

 

 

Yes you are.

playing a game is ment to be fun. And their fun is your grief, uhm ye obviously.

Look at it from the other side. For instance most of my few kills is based on nothing else then to just make the other one explode, no other reason then to just have fun. And all those times I have exploded I would assume that most of those times it was due to the other one wanting to have fun.

It's a game, nothing else, and in this game you can gank/pk (or whatever one wants to name it) and that is a reson for alot to play it. That is a thing that you are missing here.

And +1 in the killboard is just a good reason as any.

Yes there are some people who just go out to kill just for the kill mail, happens everyday in one of the countless solar systems in EVE. What he did was not considered griefing but was stupid asking you for randsom after...lol.

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by Squal'Zell 

but when i get killed by a grieffers who just do it for the fun of doing it, for no real purpose and get absolutely nothing out of it other than a +1 in their killboard, i get the feel:

" damnit, why? what was the point? !@##%@"

i dont see any real purpose or any advancement in the game by doing that"

am i missing something?

...[cut]...

but like i said, am i missing something about simply getting a +1 in your killboard and nothing else?

 

 

 

Yes you are.

playing a game is ment to be fun. And their fun is your grief, uhm ye obviously.

Look at it from the other side. For instance most of my few kills is based on nothing else then to just make the other one explode, no other reason then to just have fun. And all those times I have exploded I would assume that most of those times it was due to the other one wanting to have fun.

It's a game, nothing else, and in this game you can gank/pk (or whatever one wants to name it) and that is a reson for alot to play it. That is a thing that you are missing here.

And +1 in the killboard is just a good reason as any.

This response also tell us why the MMO industry is at a stagnant point in terms of PvP.  Even if in real life there are no laws, killing will still be frowned upon, however, in a game at the end of the day you just log off.  Zero responsibilty, zero commitment, and thus zero self control in deciding what is excessive and what is moderation.

"It's a game, nothing else, and in this game you can gank/pk..." ?  People say the funnist things without realizing it.  You can gank/pk in real life too, so why don't you do it?  Oh wait, there is this little thing called consequences.  It is in fact the lack of consequences that makes gank/pk so dull in MMORPG.  I'd rather be branded wanted and hunted for a while for a gank than just get a slap on the back of the hand and go back to being a normal citizen.

Originally posted by Neosai

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by Squal'Zell 

but when i get killed by a grieffers who just do it for the fun of doing it, for no real purpose and get absolutely nothing out of it other than a +1 in their killboard, i get the feel:

" damnit, why? what was the point? !@##%@"

i dont see any real purpose or any advancement in the game by doing that"

am i missing something?

...[cut]...

but like i said, am i missing something about simply getting a +1 in your killboard and nothing else?

 

 

 

Yes you are.

playing a game is ment to be fun. And their fun is your grief, uhm ye obviously.

Look at it from the other side. For instance most of my few kills is based on nothing else then to just make the other one explode, no other reason then to just have fun. And all those times I have exploded I would assume that most of those times it was due to the other one wanting to have fun.

It's a game, nothing else, and in this game you can gank/pk (or whatever one wants to name it) and that is a reson for alot to play it. That is a thing that you are missing here.

And +1 in the killboard is just a good reason as any.

This response also tell us why the MMO industry is at a stagnant point in terms of PvP.  Even if in real life there are no laws, killing will still be frowned upon, however, in a game at the end of the day you just log off.  Zero responsibilty, zero commitment, and thus zero self control in deciding what is excessive and what is moderation.

"It's a game, nothing else, and in this game you can gank/pk..." ?  People say the funnist things without realizing it.  You can gank/pk in real life too, so why don't you do it?  Oh wait, there is this little thing called consequences.  It is in fact the lack of consequences that makes gank/pk so dull in MMORPG.  I'd rather be branded wanted and hunted for a while for a gank than just get a slap on the back of the hand and go back to being a normal citizen.

Unless I am mistaken(rather new to Eve), there can be consequences for griefing in Eve. People can stick bounties on you, and some will hunt you down. Or the player you just griefed could get together an entire fleet and stomp him down, etc.

That bit about the ransom was hilarious :).

Here eve may be providing you with a little lesson.

In eve, as in life, lots of people are *ssholes that quite simply enjoy the suffering of others.

If you are expecting people to be fair and pleasant because it is the right thing to do, you will be forever vulnerable and disappointed.

The real challenge is to find a way to succeed while REMAINING fair and pleasant.  Both in eve AND life.

Originally posted by MaGicBush

Originally posted by Neosai

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by Squal'Zell 

but when i get killed by a grieffers who just do it for the fun of doing it, for no real purpose and get absolutely nothing out of it other than a +1 in their killboard, i get the feel:

" damnit, why? what was the point? !@##%@"

i dont see any real purpose or any advancement in the game by doing that"

am i missing something?

...[cut]...

but like i said, am i missing something about simply getting a +1 in your killboard and nothing else?

 

 

 

Yes you are.

playing a game is ment to be fun. And their fun is your grief, uhm ye obviously.

Look at it from the other side. For instance most of my few kills is based on nothing else then to just make the other one explode, no other reason then to just have fun. And all those times I have exploded I would assume that most of those times it was due to the other one wanting to have fun.

It's a game, nothing else, and in this game you can gank/pk (or whatever one wants to name it) and that is a reson for alot to play it. That is a thing that you are missing here.

And +1 in the killboard is just a good reason as any.

This response also tell us why the MMO industry is at a stagnant point in terms of PvP.  Even if in real life there are no laws, killing will still be frowned upon, however, in a game at the end of the day you just log off.  Zero responsibilty, zero commitment, and thus zero self control in deciding what is excessive and what is moderation.

"It's a game, nothing else, and in this game you can gank/pk..." ?  People say the funnist things without realizing it.  You can gank/pk in real life too, so why don't you do it?  Oh wait, there is this little thing called consequences.  It is in fact the lack of consequences that makes gank/pk so dull in MMORPG.  I'd rather be branded wanted and hunted for a while for a gank than just get a slap on the back of the hand and go back to being a normal citizen.

 

Unless I am mistaken(rather new to Eve), there can be consequences for griefing in Eve. People can stick bounties on you, and some will hunt you down. Or the player you just griefed could get together an entire fleet and stomp him down, etc.

 

That bit about the ransom was hilarious :).

yeah right now the bounty system is a bit flawed. yo uput a bounty on me i go in a empty clone and ask a friend to pod me then we split 50-50, so you just gave us isk for free.  the only way to actually take revenge is to go to the guy and pop him numerous times by A) yourself B)pay someone to do so

i myself if i have nothing to gain i will simply not even bother, i see a fleet of  miners traveling in low sec i know i have nothing to gain by killing them so i simply just let them pass. hell ive even shared a grav site in a wormhole with another party i didnt know.

and for the poster who said i lost a POS ORE LOOT, im definitivally sure you didnt read my OP. we didnt loose anything since we had no loot (maybe 100-200 arkonor amongs all miners) we had an alt inside the POS. and they didnt even bother to salvage/loot our wreckage. so all they got was a couple of +1 to their killmails.

Originally posted by Enkindu

Here eve may be providing you with a little lesson.

 

In eve, as in life, lots of people are *ssholes that quite simply enjoy the suffering of others.

 

If you are expecting people to be fair and pleasant because it is the right thing to do, you will be forever vulnerable and disappointed.

 

The real challenge is to find a way to succeed while REMAINING fair and pleasant.  Both in eve AND life.

i like that statement, which pretty much describes what our corp is trying to do.

Sounds like he was bored and just wanted a little action.

Not everything people do is because they want more isk.

Originally posted by Neosai

LOL no one even probably read the OP's post and used their brain while at it.  Happens alot in forums, I wonder why?

None of the reply even match what the OP was saying intending to convey.

Yes, killing without purpose in MMO is common.  Mainly due to the "it is just a game" mentality.  However, that one incident was funny.  Asking for a ransom after blowing up all the ships is like holding an air molecule hostage.

At the same time you really can't expect many people who plays alot of mmo to have decent level of intellect most times.

I dont see why your post is any better than the other responses. Perhaps you missed the part where the OP mentions they had a POS in that Wormhole???

Originally posted by Neosai

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by Squal'Zell 

but when i get killed by a grieffers who just do it for the fun of doing it, for no real purpose and get absolutely nothing out of it other than a +1 in their killboard, i get the feel:

" damnit, why? what was the point? !@##%@"

i dont see any real purpose or any advancement in the game by doing that"

am i missing something?

...[cut]...

but like i said, am i missing something about simply getting a +1 in your killboard and nothing else?

 

 

 

Yes you are.

playing a game is ment to be fun. And their fun is your grief, uhm ye obviously.

Look at it from the other side. For instance most of my few kills is based on nothing else then to just make the other one explode, no other reason then to just have fun. And all those times I have exploded I would assume that most of those times it was due to the other one wanting to have fun.

It's a game, nothing else, and in this game you can gank/pk (or whatever one wants to name it) and that is a reson for alot to play it. That is a thing that you are missing here.

And +1 in the killboard is just a good reason as any.

This response also tell us why the MMO industry is at a stagnant point in terms of PvP.  Even if in real life there are no laws, killing will still be frowned upon, however, in a game at the end of the day you just log off.  Zero responsibilty, zero commitment, and thus zero self control in deciding what is excessive and what is moderation.

"It's a game, nothing else, and in this game you can gank/pk..." ?  People say the funnist things without realizing it.  You can gank/pk in real life too, so why don't you do it?  Oh wait, there is this little thing called consequences.  It is in fact the lack of consequences that makes gank/pk so dull in MMORPG.  I'd rather be branded wanted and hunted for a while for a gank than just get a slap on the back of the hand and go back to being a normal citizen.

People that say there is no consequence in EVE---

Well let put it this way w/o being insulting. To say there is no consequence in EVE would be equivalent of saying there is no consequence in real life.

So let's say this guy (the OP) got done wrong in this Wormhole. Who do we look to for justice?

The OP. If he wanted to- he could wardec those jerks and make their lives hell. He could find where they live- where they rat/mission and camp them all day long with friends

Consequence is what the players deal out. Just like real life. Law enforcement is simply a body created by the people

CCP gave us ultimate power to bring justice that no one can escape if you want them bad enough. I know- we wardec jerks (anyone we dont like) all the time and make their life hell

In EVE you can camp your enemy into a system and blockade them. You can make it so there is no escape w/o getting podded. It gets no better than this. I've been there and it is great fun

Originally posted by Neosai

Originally posted by Orphes

 

Yes you are.

playing a game is ment to be fun. And their fun is your grief, uhm ye obviously.

Look at it from the other side. For instance most of my few kills is based on nothing else then to just make the other one explode, no other reason then to just have fun. And all those times I have exploded I would assume that most of those times it was due to the other one wanting to have fun.

It's a game, nothing else, and in this game you can gank/pk (or whatever one wants to name it) and that is a reson for alot to play it. That is a thing that you are missing here.

And +1 in the killboard is just a good reason as any.

This response also tell us why the MMO industry is at a stagnant point in terms of PvP.  Even if in real life there are no laws, killing will still be frowned upon, however, in a game at the end of the day you just log off.  Zero responsibilty, zero commitment, and thus zero self control in deciding what is excessive and what is moderation.

"It's a game, nothing else, and in this game you can gank/pk..." ?  People say the funnist things without realizing it.  You can gank/pk in real life too, so why don't you do it?  Oh wait, there is this little thing called consequences.  It is in fact the lack of consequences that makes gank/pk so dull in MMORPG.  I'd rather be branded wanted and hunted for a while for a gank than just get a slap on the back of the hand and go back to being a normal citizen.

What with this quasifilosophy.

It's a game, is it a game, yes it is a game. A game... It's a game.

Now when we are past that let's explain. Again.

It is a game.

Different type of games. They have this and that, and this one have pvp. And that is enough reason to why people pk eachother, hence one answer to his question. You know there is consequences, risk/reward, in this game when you pvp but that was not what he asked about.

Don't start comparing with real life when it is perfectly pointed out that it is a game. But let's say it again, it is a game.

;)