Using AVG.  No problems.

Panda is utter garbage for MMO's period.

I work on a MMO and we had to advise our portugeuse and Brazilian user's (for some reason Panda is really popular in those locations) against its use as its a intrusive piece of rubbish and would often overwrite unblocked ports or not allow patching or worst case scenario  our anticheat measures would pick Panda up as being a potential bot its so intrusive.

I use Avira free edition and no issues whatsoever I strongly advise getting rid of Panda.

Originally posted by jessian

In beta at the moment and when GG runs, you WILL have to shutdown your antivirus or else, you will get crashed out, processes get memory crashes as GG thinks AV software is helping you hack.

Basically its down to, What is GG actually scanning a Virusscanner and stopping it work if its really legit?

does any other anti cheat software require AV software to be removed before playing

 

 

 

Try a real AV and maybe you wont have any problems.  Using Kapersky with Vista here and no issues at all.  Have two friends using xp and one has Kapersky, the other McAfee and they aren't having any problems either.

Avast user here... no issues at all.  If you have EA's patching program open by chance....with the little green icon on your windows taskbar..turn it off.  Gamegaurd didn't like that in the past for me when playing other games.

I've been playing the Chinese release and EU beta on Vista x64 with Eset's NOD32 anti-virus. No problems at all with either the game client or GameGuard.  Sorry that I don't have any workarounds or other suggestions for you.

most people getting problems is probly the noobs who use that piece of shit AVG 

Originally posted by JonMichael

Originally posted by jessian

In beta at the moment and when GG runs, you WILL have to shutdown your antivirus or else, you will get crashed out, processes get memory crashes as GG thinks AV software is helping you hack.

Basically its down to, What is GG actually scanning a Virusscanner and stopping it work if its really legit?

does any other anti cheat software require AV software to be removed before playing

 

 

 

 

Try a real AV and maybe you wont have any problems.  Using Kapersky with Vista here and no issues at all.  Have two friends using xp and one has Kapersky, the other McAfee and they aren't having any problems either.

 

So your telling me that because your using Kapersky and others using it it should work fine then
 

Explain this then...

Hey fellow beta testers!   (Username can be supplied..)

I'm not doing /wrist (rofl), more or less a bit of a personal choice due to Aion having trouble on two Windows installs. One with Mcafee, the other with Kaspersky 2010.   <<<< Mmmm isnt that what your using?

I got the Artemis Trojan warning on Mcafee, then it making me mess around with Kaspersky and pretty much disabling my AV software. That concerned me. Something I just bought brand new yesterday when my old Mcafee expired. I've been seeing a lot of iffy feelings about Game Guard's potentials as being harmful to a Windows OS.

I personally run Linux, as thats where I am now, but just expressing my concerns cause I did pre-pay for the Collectors Edition to get me into Beta Testing. Honestly, I'm a bit upset with this because my Girlfriend and I are in a Long Distance atm, and we used Aion to help push aside that distance factor. We originally came from WoW with lots of End Game done, but left due to the personality of the community. When I showed her Aion on Gamespot, she was so excited.

I feel bad myself for not researching, but I can only blame the packaging for not stating it used Game Guard.

If the dev's decide to remove this and the Suits above realizing this problem, I'd love to come back. I'm just sad, and so is my GF about this.

Please remove Game Guard from Aion retail because I see a lot of unhappy beta testers as well.

Maybe we'll see each other in retail if they remove it and I'll be checking the boards and see if they go Live with GG.

*Here is hoping they don't*

Sincerely,

-Nebkhe

For anyone under the illusions that all the other posters are on here saying...

Hey theres nothing wrong with GameGuard. Please take time to read this forums post...

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?p=797052#post797052

Read and see how Gameguard hides itself under numerous processes..

A  whole different issue but personally I think any antivirus programs not flagging things like this are not doing their jobs properly. If something appears on my PC that installs iteslf quietly, hides itself from task manager and other such programs and gives itself the ability to shut down vital system components, I want to know about it.

If games are infected with this sort of junk, there should be a big warning on the front of the box and in advertisements for the game so people know that they are getting additional things loaded onto their machines that they would not usually choose to have.

I'll chime in on the GameGuard issue.  This was my first Beta weekend with Aion and I am running Vista32 with AVG Free and zero issues with GameGuard.

Originally posted by Thunderheart

I'll chime in on the GameGuard issue.  This was my first Beta weekend with Aion and I am running Vista32 with AVG Free and zero issues with GameGuard.

I am not saying some are not having issues, im saying on the tech support board, there is hundreds of threads about Gameguard being used as a rootkit and some players are having to turn off AV software just for the game to run...

Heres a nother post from the tech support.

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Honsetly Caitlyn, Do you BELIEVE what you just wrote?. Many of the F2P Games are using GameGuard ... and i see hacks, bots and cheats in all of them. GameGuard does nothing except for bothering ppl.
In a real secure MMO their is no need for such a program. Because the very fact that you need GG means that the CLIENT does some important calculations. In real secure MMOs such calculations are done by the server and the server alone.
But because Server processing time is expensive it is common these days to push it to the client side. Well no problem with me but still GameGuard is one of the worst programs to go with.
To say that Kaspersky or Symantec (no i don't mean NORTON) or Avira are terrible AV Softwares is simply not true. Everyone of these 3 is well known and are widely used. I have problems with all of these programs. Funny tho that GameGuard doesnt detect Ethereal (a common Packet sniffer for network analysis). /Shrug
I understand that it is needed to protect the gamecode within the RAM from harmful doings. But GG was always a bad choice and will be a bad choice. Wanna Use a Logitech with GG... forget it. Wanna use somegamepads with GG Forget it either. The list could be continued.

I am clearly against the use of GG.

But i can live with it and i will still play Aion i currently just have a script that shuts down most ports when i start Aion. For now thats all that works for me. But i would really like to be able to PLAy aion ( with GG and have a AV program or a firewall active and running)

Searching Google you will see tons of people having problems with gameguard. Just because a few here dont.. so.

Most free2play games use gameguard for a reason lol. Gameguard is one of if not the easiest to hack. What other major MMO uses gameguard? lol theres a reason.

Originally posted by Zeblade

Searching Google you will see tons of people having problems with gameguard. Just because a few here dont.. so.

Most free2play games use gameguard for a reason lol. Gameguard is one of if not the easiest to hack. What other major MMO uses gameguard? lol theres a reason.

 

 

 

Seriously think about what you just said, GG isnt hackable. Yet its bypassable. We can download a file that STOPS it running, we can use ProcessGaurd to stop it being loaded up or modifing peoples PCs.

Everyone here seems to be either staff members of Ncsoft, with the usual @we are using XXXX and not a problem. Yet for some unknown reason the forums are littered with comments like this....

I just finished playing for tonight, and right after it shut down, I got the infamous "Blue Screen of Death" with white writing on it...I managed to catch the name of a file, which included something along the lines of "LESS_OR_EQUAL" in it, and that my computer was shutting down to prevent damage to files. I was not expecting this, and I don't have a screenshot to it. I may try again later to see if this happens again, and take a picture of it.

I have heard reports of Gameguard force-restarting people's computers, and this is the first time it has happened to me.

However, it also happened after, for whatever reason, it stopped requesting that I disable my User Account Control, which is ALSO after I had tried AION in Admin mode.

/BeginranttoAIONPRODUCERS:
GAMEGUARD NEEDS TO GO! RIGHT NOW! If I am going to continue getting this sort of problem, if it is actually causing crashes and worm/trojan-like issues where every time I start/finish the game it causes another and WORSE problem with my computer, I am not going to continue playing this. I love this game and all, but nProtect Gameguard is CAUSING PROBLEMS, and not with just myself, but MANY OTHERS.

AION PRODUCERS, PLEASE LISTEN TO US! GET RID OF GAMEGUARD OR FIX IT TO WHERE IT ACTUALLY DOES IT'S JOB! YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE CONSUMERS OVER THIS! I am willing to bet that MANY people on this forum have been feeling the same way after this last patch. What is it you did to it? There are more problems with it now than there were the last three times that it was ran. Some may not care what it does, and not care if it crashes their computer. I do care, considering this is a custom computer built specifically for gaming.

I don't want to have to quit AION or have wasted money on this game for nothing...I hope and pray that the producers of this game do SOMETHING...this is a real, major issue for probably about 99% of the people who are Beta-ing this.

/endrant

All in all...

FIX IT.

Originally posted by Zeblade

Searching Google you will see tons of people having problems with gameguard. Just because a few here dont.. so.

Most free2play games use gameguard for a reason lol. Gameguard is one of if not the easiest to hack. What other major MMO uses gameguard? lol theres a reason.

 

 

 

But if even one person can use a particular antivirus software (same version/feature set of course) successfully with Gameguard then the problem doesn't lie with either program, but rather the influence of all the other environment factors that a person's PC can have.

Too often people blame problems on "virus scanners' or viruses themselves when those are not the real  issues.  Sort of along the lines of "reboot the PC" to fix an issue.

Except that one works most times. 

Im glad i dont have problems running win7rc and kasperspy av

First problem was when gg didnt support win7 but a easy hack made that possibly right now gg supports win7 and works like a charm except that first problem.

Feel sorry for those that cant get it to work.

what i will say to others out there NOT in closed beta.

Think long and hard about my next question.

If one person said the world was flat would you believe him?

If a million said it was flat would you belive them?

Or would you believe video evidence to show its actually round?

What im getting at, im one of the hundreds of players that Experienced issues running Gameguard with Aion closed beta test.

Only issues i got, was Gameguard tried to modify and kill most of my AV software. Some here accused my AV for being free crap. which i laugh at. Others do the sheep, we using this XXX i havent got an issue.

For them i ask, no i plead them to pop onto the forum boards, and post up in tech customer suport thread GG is working as intended. and then prepare for the flames!

Before this game goes live, if you use any AV software, ensure your PC doesnt need protecting from viruses and hackers and dont use a AV software you should be fine.

Im just warning the players looking at this game, is YOUR COMPUTERS SECURITY WORTH A GAME? if so post your ip address to me mailbox for hacking to commence.

I wont play a game that uses GG, period

Originally posted by thamighty213

Panda is utter garbage for MMO's period.

 

I work on a MMO and we had to advise our portugeuse and Brazilian user's (for some reason Panda is really popular in those locations) against its use as its a intrusive piece of rubbish and would often overwrite unblocked ports or not allow patching or worst case scenario  our anticheat measures would pick Panda up as being a potential bot its so intrusive.

 

I use Avira free edition and no issues whatsoever I strongly advise getting rid of Panda.

GG is still criticized for being extremely invasive, often without knowledge of the end user. The software installs a device driver which is difficult to uninstall; even uninstalling the game will still leave some files hidden on the system. In recent versions (revision 1007 and up), GameGuard fails to halt when the game ends, so GameGuard continues to use computer resources and inject code into processes. This is often unknown to the end-user .......

it is Game Guard which is an intrusive piece of crap! And all the asian bot-players hack it minutes after any update - how do you think do they keep their bot networks running without any trouble to sell the stuff on ebay or through ther numerous websites.

Game Guard will not install on My System not even in an isolated Bootcamp partition only used for gaming and nothing else, point.

Originally posted by jessian

what i will say to others out there NOT in closed beta.

Think long and hard about my next question.

If one person said the world was flat would you believe him?

If a million said it was flat would you belive them?

Or would you believe video evidence to show its actually round?

What im getting at, im one of the hundreds of players that Experienced issues running Gameguard with Aion closed beta test.

Only issues i got, was Gameguard tried to modify and kill most of my AV software. Some here accused my AV for being free crap. which i laugh at. Others do the sheep, we using this XXX i havent got an issue.

For them i ask, no i plead them to pop onto the forum boards, and post up in tech customer suport thread GG is working as intended. and then prepare for the flames!

Before this game goes live, if you use any AV software, ensure your PC doesnt need protecting from viruses and hackers and dont use a AV software you should be fine.

Im just warning the players looking at this game, is YOUR COMPUTERS SECURITY WORTH A GAME? if so post your ip address to me mailbox for hacking to commence.

 

 

Ive read several posts of crusaders against "invasive progs" be it GG or DRM or whatever. The fact is ive never had any problems from any of it, at all. If GG and your AV have a conflict you are one of few.  Perhaps you should see just how invasive your AV is? Its there to in theory to protect you not to controll your software options. This kind of thing is exactly why i wont use norton av i found it to be too controlling. As for free anything, you get what you pay for in life and that includes AV.

No issues with me using Bitdefender Internet security 08, or 09 during CB4 last night.