Originally posted by unimatrix8

If its set up the way Blizzard has its payment model for WoW than im all for. I pay my $15 dollars a month and have access to all the game content. If i want to do name change, realm/account transfer, faction change or whatever than i pay my extra $25 dollars for that service. In no way shape or form should RMT have an impact on a game's core features whether it be adventure packs or ingame items. The only way ill pay for extra content is if it's and expansion, but no way in hell im i going to pay for monthly updates that i can get for free in another game

Well said.

Originally posted by MarioDXX

Originally posted by madeux

I'll wait and see how it works, and how much fun the game is.  Avoiding it simply because it may have some RMT would just be stupid.

Disagree, I think Monthly payment are a rude way of saying, we aren't good enough so let's make ppl pay us every month, i think thta games should be like the Guild Wars model, giving players a game with NO FEES and OTHER ways of earning money (since developers believe that they will just get payed every month thy make games like tabula rasa or hellgate london- games to crush down after a year or less) GAMES- be like GUILD WATS!

Ummm.. Hellgate London was free, you payed for more features. Secondly when you find me a F2P game that has as much content as WoW let me know. They all look linear and have the same stupid ass korean looking websites and over half of them are WoW clones with shitty graphics and terrible camera controls and movement controls.  Not to mention 95% of F2P games consists of Zero quests and 100% Grind grind grind grind. Kill the same monster over and over and over and over and over. Maplestory. 2 Moons, All of them except for a VERY SELECT FEW such as Atlantica Online and hell atlantica has a pretty good ratiing on this site even though the graphics blow and so do the controls. Zero character customization and everyone looks the same. Thats what a F2P mmo is.

Originally posted by Abrahmm

With the leak and then revocation of them using an RMT model, quesiton is simple. If SW:TOR deploys a subscription and an RMT/cash shop like what Cryptic is planning for Champions, would you still play?

Answered no, but then, I don't plan on playing TOR anyway. What they've talked about in interviews so far is not what I want in a SW game. If they have a press announcement stating they are making the game in a manner that sounds fun, then I might give it a try.

 I will still play it as long as it's not an Item Mall RMT, no items of any nature in direct exchange for money.

Character transfers, renames, recustomizations, extra storage, extra character slots, these are all ok for me.

What I'm particularly against is the item shop model. If this game ends up having one, I'll just pass.

I also don't like the game utilizing some sort of purchasable coin or the like, which you can then turn into in-game currency. EVE in a way has this with PLEX, and though I love the game itself and keep playing, this bit about it does bug me.

The model WoW is using now, I'm OK with: Paying for stuff like character transfers, renames or extra customization.

Paying for extra content, I might be OK with. Depends on how vital the content turns out to be in terms of your progress in the game and how often they come up with a new one. This is something we have to see implemented, something we have to try before making a judgment. In principle, if I'm OK with paying for expansions which provide you with new races and classes not to mention a higher level cap in other games, I should be OK with this too... But how often they're going to come up with such stuff and how vital or optional it will be in terms of progress are also important. 

I think RMT/Cash shops and RMT/Cash shops/Subscription combinations are the eventual future of MMOs.  It is really how a lot of out current entertainment works if you think about it.

1.  Cable - You pay your subscription for a set number of channels, however premium channels cost x number of dollars extra a month, and then you have one off charges ranging from very large in sports packages to a couple of bucks for ppv movies.

2.  Movie Theater - Sure you can just pay your ticket and go watch your movie in peace, but if you want popcorn, candy, snacks, drinks your paying extra for all of that.

3.  Sporting Events - You pay the ticket to get into the game, but then your buying beer, hot dogs, food, snacks, souvenirs, etc....

As others have said even single player games are moving toward this model with downloadable content, even on X360 and PS3.  You say RMT/Cash Shops are not in your future, well then I guess that means you will stop playing video games.  Because honestly there are not enough people who will not play a game because of RMT/cash shops to effect the companies bottome line.  This is because of those with expendable income buying all the extra crap covering for the few who will try to hold out due to some principles.

However with the increasing costs of basically everything dealing with MMOs, from development, to upkeep, to continuing development, to funding the next great new MMO studios need more and more income and they need more and more avenues of revenue.  

Much like stupid gas price hikes, people will bitch and moan and cry foul and swear they will never buy gas again, and then the next morning are grumbling at the pump as they fill their gas guzzling 5 mpg SUV with 20 gallons of gas.  A portion of the mmo playerbase will bitch and moan and grumble about cash/shops/rmt mixing with sub models, yet when they see all studios headed in that direction they will find its either accept the change or just stop gaming.

Originally posted by madeux

I'll wait and see how it works, and how much fun the game is.  Avoiding it simply because it may have some RMT would just be stupid.

Exactly. I'm tired of the alarmist mentality thats infesting this board.

Definitely no, to this and any other mmo with that payment model.

Originally posted by EricDanie

 I will still play it as long as it's not an Item Mall RMT, no items of any nature in direct exchange for money.

Character transfers, renames, recustomizations, extra storage, extra character slots, these are all ok for me.

Agreed. Nobody is stupid enough to pay a monthly sub fee and then on top of that buy items from an item mall. Are they?
 

Originally posted by MLecl0001

I think RMT/Cash shops and RMT/Cash shops/Subscription combinations are the eventual future of MMOs.  It is really how a lot of out current entertainment works if you think about it.

 

1.  Cable - You pay your subscription for a set number of channels, however premium channels cost x number of dollars extra a month, and then you have one off charges ranging from very large in sports packages to a couple of bucks for ppv movies.

 

2.  Movie Theater - Sure you can just pay your ticket and go watch your movie in peace, but if you want popcorn, candy, snacks, drinks your paying extra for all of that.

 

3.  Sporting Events - You pay the ticket to get into the game, but then your buying beer, hot dogs, food, snacks, souvenirs, etc....

 

As others have said even single player games are moving toward this model with downloadable content, even on X360 and PS3.  You say RMT/Cash Shops are not in your future, well then I guess that means you will stop playing video games.  Because honestly there are not enough people who will not play a game because of RMT/cash shops to effect the companies bottome line.  This is because of those with expendable income buying all the extra crap covering for the few who will try to hold out due to some principles.

However with the increasing costs of basically everything dealing with MMOs, from development, to upkeep, to continuing development, to funding the next great new MMO studios need more and more income and they need more and more avenues of revenue.  

Much like stupid gas price hikes, people will bitch and moan and cry foul and swear they will never buy gas again, and then the next morning are grumbling at the pump as they fill their gas guzzling 5 mpg SUV with 20 gallons of gas.  A portion of the mmo playerbase will bitch and moan and grumble about cash/shops/rmt mixing with sub models, yet when they see all studios headed in that direction they will find its either accept the change or just stop gaming.

Agree 100%.  And like I said in another post, people once said the same thing about subscription models.  Those of us who gamed at that time know.  Now it is second nature and no one bats an eye at it.  There really haven't been any real good models for RMT, so someone will eventually do it right, and people will be fine with it.

It's obviously the future though, so the doomsdayers might as well pack it up and head for the hills. 

The reality is, if the game is great, people will play.  Period.  The > 1% of the gaming population that won't play a RMT game purely on principal don't really matter to the developers.......(at least I'd guess they wouldn't)......

Originally posted by EricDanie

 I will still play it as long as it's not an Item Mall RMT, no items of any nature in direct exchange for money.

Character transfers, renames, recustomizations, extra storage, extra character slots, these are all ok for me.

I voted no.

I won't play this game, or any others using a item mall of any sort.  That is unless the RMT are kept to what Eric stated.  I don't mind transfers, renames, etc....

As was said before, It really comes down to what type of shop. Blizzards shop is cool.

Blizzard could really make some more money, if they added fluff to it. IE like the ability to color your gear through dye in the shop.

Anyways, I sure hope game changing things are not added. Gear/Potions/Items/etc that give certain players huge advantages all the time.

while I do not like all of cryptics rmt  some form of it for sw KOTOR would not be bad.  I am against any form that gives a player the ability to improve his/her character beyond cosmectic changes.  Paid name changes, character transfers, costume options are all fine.  Being able to buy a special light saber  even if others have the option to slave away on a raid hopping to win a role is not.

Originally posted by MLecl0001

I think RMT/Cash shops and RMT/Cash shops/Subscription combinations are the eventual future of MMOs.  It is really how a lot of out current entertainment works if you think about it.

 

1.  Cable - You pay your subscription for a set number of channels, however premium channels cost x number of dollars extra a month, and then you have one off charges ranging from very large in sports packages to a couple of bucks for ppv movies.

 

2.  Movie Theater - Sure you can just pay your ticket and go watch your movie in peace, but if you want popcorn, candy, snacks, drinks your paying extra for all of that.

 

3.  Sporting Events - You pay the ticket to get into the game, but then your buying beer, hot dogs, food, snacks, souvenirs, etc....

 

As others have said even single player games are moving toward this model with downloadable content, even on X360 and PS3.  You say RMT/Cash Shops are not in your future, well then I guess that means you will stop playing video games.  Because honestly there are not enough people who will not play a game because of RMT/cash shops to effect the companies bottome line.  This is because of those with expendable income buying all the extra crap covering for the few who will try to hold out due to some principles.

However with the increasing costs of basically everything dealing with MMOs, from development, to upkeep, to continuing development, to funding the next great new MMO studios need more and more income and they need more and more avenues of revenue.  

Much like stupid gas price hikes, people will bitch and moan and cry foul and swear they will never buy gas again, and then the next morning are grumbling at the pump as they fill their gas guzzling 5 mpg SUV with 20 gallons of gas.  A portion of the mmo playerbase will bitch and moan and grumble about cash/shops/rmt mixing with sub models, yet when they see all studios headed in that direction they will find its either accept the change or just stop gaming.

It can't be compared to any of those sorry.

1 There is more than one cable provider offering the same shows, if one gets too expensive move to another. You won't be able to play TOR any other way. It also doesn't factor in competitive aspects such as pvp, you're not competing with people to watch a tv show, at least I hope you aren't.

2/3 are the same and still don't work because food/drink are unrelated to the sporting event. You can get it before or after from parties not related to the sporting event. If they have RMT it will be directly related to the game and you will have to go through them.

I would pass... I would glady pay the monthly fee but my generosity stops there.

 I will gladly play, and pay, even with a subscription + RMT model.... if the game itself is good enough to warrant it.

Originally posted by kalaren

Originally posted by MLecl0001

I think RMT/Cash shops and RMT/Cash shops/Subscription combinations are the eventual future of MMOs.  It is really how a lot of out current entertainment works if you think about it.

 

1.  Cable - You pay your subscription for a set number of channels, however premium channels cost x number of dollars extra a month, and then you have one off charges ranging from very large in sports packages to a couple of bucks for ppv movies.

 

2.  Movie Theater - Sure you can just pay your ticket and go watch your movie in peace, but if you want popcorn, candy, snacks, drinks your paying extra for all of that.

 

3.  Sporting Events - You pay the ticket to get into the game, but then your buying beer, hot dogs, food, snacks, souvenirs, etc....

 

As others have said even single player games are moving toward this model with downloadable content, even on X360 and PS3.  You say RMT/Cash Shops are not in your future, well then I guess that means you will stop playing video games.  Because honestly there are not enough people who will not play a game because of RMT/cash shops to effect the companies bottome line.  This is because of those with expendable income buying all the extra crap covering for the few who will try to hold out due to some principles.

However with the increasing costs of basically everything dealing with MMOs, from development, to upkeep, to continuing development, to funding the next great new MMO studios need more and more income and they need more and more avenues of revenue.  

Much like stupid gas price hikes, people will bitch and moan and cry foul and swear they will never buy gas again, and then the next morning are grumbling at the pump as they fill their gas guzzling 5 mpg SUV with 20 gallons of gas.  A portion of the mmo playerbase will bitch and moan and grumble about cash/shops/rmt mixing with sub models, yet when they see all studios headed in that direction they will find its either accept the change or just stop gaming.

It can't be compared to any of those sorry.

1 There is more than one cable provider offering the same shows, if one gets too expensive move to another. You won't be able to play TOR any other way. It also doesn't factor in competitive aspects such as pvp, you're not competing with people to watch a tv show, at least I hope you aren't.

2/3 are the same and still don't work because food/drink are unrelated to the sporting event. You can get it before or after from parties not related to the sporting event. If they have RMT it will be directly related to the game and you will have to go through them.

Sure you cant exactly play TOR, however as is with cable/satellite neither the cable company or satellite company have the same packages.  Each company has their own packages and prices, and unfortunately for me neither has all the channels I want to watch in their basic bundle.  Also I dont know where you are but where I am you get 1 choice for cable, 2 for satellite, or antennae.  Not exactly a plethora of competition or choices.  Yet look at all the MMOs coming up within the next handful of years, if you cant pick a different MMO that you would be interested in, then that sucks, its life.  However even if you do find another MMO you like there is no guarantee that it wont have a RMT/Cash Shop/Sub combination.

Also it also depends on what is in the cash shop, is it just cosmetic stuff?  Then number 3 really fits because buying a pink lightsaber is no different than buying a big foam hand at a baseball game.  Or buying a cosmetic outfit in game is no different that buying a souvenir jersey.  Your not going to get less out of the MMO or sporting event by not buying the extra crap.  

However its ultimately a choice every one is going to have to make, and just ignoring a game or passing it up just because its gonna have RMT/cash shop with a sub with out actually doing any research is stupid imho.  If its just cosmetic crap you can buy  instead of farming whelps for 2 months straight for a stupid pet for a friend then I would actually be for it.  God that scared me for life, you have no idea how badly I was willing to just pay 50 bucks to blizzard for the fu**ing pet after the 2nd week.

In response to the OP:

NO.  ABSOLUTELY NOT.  Without question or hesitation.  I would immediately remove all links and bookmarks to the game and related sites from my browser, and would completely ignore it from that moment forward.

Champions what?  Star Trek who?

Really, it could be all RMT and I'd still play it. Some people really blow RMT out of proportion, especially when it's only used on items that don't effect gameplay. Give me a break.

Seriously, if the entire market decides to start using RMT, are you guys telling me you're gonna quit MMOs all together? I highly doubt it.

I was opposed to paying monthly subscriptions for online games when I was first introduced, and now, it's just like, who cares? Many people were probably the same way. All it will take is the market to force it on us, and then, it's do or die, but by no means will that mean the end of MMOs.

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by FreddyNoNose

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by FreddyNoNose

Originally posted by madeux

I'll wait and see how it works, and how much fun the game is.  Avoiding it simply because it may have some RMT would just be stupid.

 

That is just too reasonable.  Given the OPs posting history I kind of hope they add RMT.

 

Whats that mean?

 

What do you think it means?

 

I think you are trying to be a jackass and make personal attacks on me and who I am without even knowing me.

It's not a personal attack.  I just don't respect you.