With the leak and then revocation of them using an RMT model, quesiton is simple. If SW:TOR deploys a subscription and an RMT/cash shop like what Cryptic is planning for Champions, would you still play?

I'll wait and see how it works, and how much fun the game is.  Avoiding it simply because it may have some RMT would just be stupid.

Originally posted by madeux

I'll wait and see how it works, and how much fun the game is.  Avoiding it simply because it may have some RMT would just be stupid.

It isn't stupid if you don't like RMT. That would be like saying "Not eating sardines is stupid", even if the person hates sardines. If you don't like it you don't want it. If you like it than you do want it. Pretty simple.

Sure.

If the RMT is limited to external services like namechanges/etc, then I would be 100% happy.

If it's "fluff" stuff like pink saber crystals that don't really affect anything gameplay-wise then I would be 100% happy, 'cos it wouldn't affect me since I don't bother much with stuff like that.

If the RMT includes imbalancing end-game items then I would still play, but would avoid any end-game affected shenanigans like PvP or such; I'd just get my PvP fix in a different game like EVE and enjoy TOR as a story-driven multiplayer RPG..

Originally posted by madeux

I'll wait and see how it works, and how much fun the game is.  Avoiding it simply because it may have some RMT would just be stupid.

That is just too reasonable.  Given the OPs posting history I kind of hope they add RMT.

Originally posted by FreddyNoNose

Originally posted by madeux

I'll wait and see how it works, and how much fun the game is.  Avoiding it simply because it may have some RMT would just be stupid.

 

That is just too reasonable.  Given the OPs posting history I kind of hope they add RMT.

Whats that mean?

Only if the the RMT is balanced and is not required to advanced in game.

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by madeux

I'll wait and see how it works, and how much fun the game is.  Avoiding it simply because it may have some RMT would just be stupid.

 

It isn't stupid if you don't like RMT. That would be like saying "Not eating sardines is stupid", even if the person hates sardines. If you don't like it you don't want it. If you like it than you do want it. Pretty simple.

It's more like avoiding the whole sandwhich shop because they offer sardines on one of their sandwhiches. 

Originally posted by madeux

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by madeux

I'll wait and see how it works, and how much fun the game is.  Avoiding it simply because it may have some RMT would just be stupid.

 

It isn't stupid if you don't like RMT. That would be like saying "Not eating sardines is stupid", even if the person hates sardines. If you don't like it you don't want it. If you like it than you do want it. Pretty simple.

It's more like avoiding the whole sandwhich shop because they offer sardines on one of their sandwhiches. 

You missed my point. If you don't like RMT in any form, it isn't stupid to not want to play a game that has RMT because you don't like it. Just as I would say it isn't stupid to avoid a subscription based game if you hate paying subscriptions and prefer RMT. If you don't like it, you don't like it. If you don't want anything to do with it, you don't want anything to do with it. 

I know you are a proponent of RMT and I think you are just trying to start an argument, which isn't the point of this post, so I'm going to stop now.

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by madeux

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by madeux

I'll wait and see how it works, and how much fun the game is.  Avoiding it simply because it may have some RMT would just be stupid.

 

It isn't stupid if you don't like RMT. That would be like saying "Not eating sardines is stupid", even if the person hates sardines. If you don't like it you don't want it. If you like it than you do want it. Pretty simple.

It's more like avoiding the whole sandwhich shop because they offer sardines on one of their sandwhiches. 

You missed my point. If you don't like RMT in any form, it isn't stupid to not want to play a game that has RMT because you don't like it. Just as I would say it isn't stupid to avoid a subscription based game if you hate paying subscriptions and prefer RMT. If you don't like it, you don't like it. If you don't want anything to do with it, you don't want anything to do with it. 

I know you are a proponent of RMT and I think you are just trying to start an argument, which isn't the point of this post, so I'm going to stop now.

right, and if you don't like sardines in any form, you'd just be better off avoiding all of the other delightfull sandwhiches they have to offer.

I do not, and have not, played an RMT game with the exception of Requiem during beta.  Calling me a proponent is quite a stretch.  I'm a realist.  I see it coming, and I'm ok with it depending on how it is implemented. 

No RMT or MT model can be profitable with just "fluff" items.  Nor can they rake in the money if the game mechanics don't encourage purchases.  They arent' looking for a small boost in income along with subscriptions, they are looking to make huge profits.  It's the whole point of combining box sales plus subscriptions plus real money trade and micro transactions.  You want to throw your money away, then more power to you.  The point is that these companies don't deserve this kind of income for the product and services they provide.  They will become more expensive than cable with a fraction of the content.

Originally posted by madeux

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by madeux

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by madeux

I'll wait and see how it works, and how much fun the game is.  Avoiding it simply because it may have some RMT would just be stupid.

 

It isn't stupid if you don't like RMT. That would be like saying "Not eating sardines is stupid", even if the person hates sardines. If you don't like it you don't want it. If you like it than you do want it. Pretty simple.

It's more like avoiding the whole sandwhich shop because they offer sardines on one of their sandwhiches. 

You missed my point. If you don't like RMT in any form, it isn't stupid to not want to play a game that has RMT because you don't like it. Just as I would say it isn't stupid to avoid a subscription based game if you hate paying subscriptions and prefer RMT. If you don't like it, you don't like it. If you don't want anything to do with it, you don't want anything to do with it. 

I know you are a proponent of RMT and I think you are just trying to start an argument, which isn't the point of this post, so I'm going to stop now.

 

right, and if you don't like sardines in any form, you'd just be better off avoiding all of the other delightfull sandwhiches they have to offer.

I do not, and have not, played an RMT game with the exception of Requiem during beta.  Calling me a proponent is quite a stretch.  I'm a realist.  I see it coming, and I'm ok with it depending on how it is implemented. 

I call you a proponent based on the lengthy argument we had before where you defended and pushed RMT as a good thing. Stop twisting the analogy, I never mentioned anything about a sandwhich shop, but it it helps you  understand the analogy more, all of the sandwhiches in the shop have sardines. There, better? No, you can't pick them off, they are encrusted into the bread too. All of the drinks have blended sardines in them. The chips are sardine flavored. The bathrooms use sardines as toilet paper. And they have Sardine chip cookies.

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by madeux

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by madeux

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by madeux

I'll wait and see how it works, and how much fun the game is.  Avoiding it simply because it may have some RMT would just be stupid.

 

It isn't stupid if you don't like RMT. That would be like saying "Not eating sardines is stupid", even if the person hates sardines. If you don't like it you don't want it. If you like it than you do want it. Pretty simple.

It's more like avoiding the whole sandwhich shop because they offer sardines on one of their sandwhiches. 

You missed my point. If you don't like RMT in any form, it isn't stupid to not want to play a game that has RMT because you don't like it. Just as I would say it isn't stupid to avoid a subscription based game if you hate paying subscriptions and prefer RMT. If you don't like it, you don't like it. If you don't want anything to do with it, you don't want anything to do with it. 

I know you are a proponent of RMT and I think you are just trying to start an argument, which isn't the point of this post, so I'm going to stop now.

 

right, and if you don't like sardines in any form, you'd just be better off avoiding all of the other delightfull sandwhiches they have to offer.

I do not, and have not, played an RMT game with the exception of Requiem during beta.  Calling me a proponent is quite a stretch.  I'm a realist.  I see it coming, and I'm ok with it depending on how it is implemented. 

I call you a proponent based on the lengthy argument we had before where you defended and pushed RMT as a good thing. Stop twisting the analogy, I never mentioned anything about a sandwhich shop, but it it helps you  understand the analogy more, all of the sandwhiches in the shop have sardines. There, better? No, you can't pick them off, they are encrusted into the bread too. All of the drinks have blended sardines in them. The chips are sardine flavored. The bathrooms use sardines as toilet paper. And they have Sardine chip cookies.

i think calling it RMT is a bit of a misnomer, as we're not really talking about monthly subscriptions and micropayments, but just a micropayment model, the likelyhood being that you can buy 'adventure packages' as you progress through the game, more as an additional content kind of thing, it is a storyline based game after all, though i've no doubt that there would also be certain 'cosmetic' items available, more than likely these would be optional extra's rather than absolute requirements. possibly along the lines that DDO unlimited are currently exploring maybe?

All of Sony's games are subscription and micro transaction.  Champions Online will be doing the same.  Any gaming company that is thinking of changing their business model, will follow suit in order to compete.  Only Eastern made games follow the F2P model.

Originally posted by Phry
 

i think calling it RMT is a bit of a misnomer, as we're not really talking about monthly subscriptions and micropayments, but just a micropayment model, the likelyhood being that you can buy 'adventure packages' as you progress through the game, more as an additional content kind of thing, it is a storyline based game after all, though i've no doubt that there would also be certain 'cosmetic' items available, more than likely these would be optional extra's rather than absolute requirements. possibly along the lines that DDO unlimited are currently exploring maybe?

That is how I understood it as well and it would actually confirm the rumors that went around a while back. There was a rumor that said that the SW:TOR business model (that was pitched to LucasArts) would be based on microtrasnactions where you purchase your adventure content. Some even speculated that it will not have a typical subscription model for that reason. 

Originally posted by Vrazule

All of Sony's games are subscription and micro transaction.  Champions Online will be doing the same.  Any gaming company that is thinking of changing their business model, will follow suit in order to compete.  Only Eastern made games follow the F2P model.

the F2P model may have started there but its gaining ground, guildwars was after all f2p, with the costs being levied by the module purchase, though i've no doubt they kept their costs as low as they did because only the central hubs were the 'real' mmo areas, which, oddly seems to be the way that ToR is progressing. thats not necessarily a bad thing, after all, in game latency is often one of the biggest hangups in online gaming, if the action takes place only on a few computers (solo or group) then latency isnt going to be that bad, as long as the players arent too far apart that is. its entirely possible that micropayment schemes involving 'adventure packs' of individual or perhaps groups of scenarios, might be the easiest way of paying for the game, though whether you would need to 'own' a particular adventure to bring a friend into it, i dont know, lets see how they do it i guess. though obviously there are only so many different ways it could be implemented.

Originally posted by Vrazule

All of Sony's games are subscription and micro transaction.  Champions Online will be doing the same.  Any gaming company that is thinking of changing their business model, will follow suit in order to compete.  Only Eastern made games follow the F2P model.

Yup, pretty much.  RMT is coming.  High profile games that go the RMT route and DO WELL will only increase the rate at which other companies follow in their footsteps. 

People against RMT would have to hope that RMT games do horribly, crash and burn, that the developers and their families get kidnapped and tortured in order to stop it.  If RMT games do well, that shows that there is a market for it.  The extra RMT $$ on top of the monthly fee is just the icing on the cake.

Why would they do RMT, that's stupid imo.  The game has so much hype right now, they'd be fine with monthly fees.  If they do release with Monthly fees and RMT, I'll probably still end up playing it to level cap and end game.  I hope this doesn't happen though.

Originally posted by Eunuchmaker

Originally posted by Vrazule

All of Sony's games are subscription and micro transaction.  Champions Online will be doing the same.  Any gaming company that is thinking of changing their business model, will follow suit in order to compete.  Only Eastern made games follow the F2P model.

 

Yup, pretty much.  RMT is coming.  High profile games that go the RMT route and DO WELL will only increase the rate at which other companies follow in their footsteps. 

People against RMT would have to hope that RMT games do horribly, crash and burn, that the developers and their families get kidnapped and tortured in order to stop it.  If RMT games do well, that shows that there is a market for it.  The extra RMT $$ on top of the monthly fee is just the icing on the cake.

i think it was an option of having a monthly subscription or a micropayment scheme, not having both at the same time. i can't see anyone agreeing to making additional payments in a game their already paying for, you dont pay for everything twice after all (though with tax and vat, im not so sure thats actually true;D )

If it's RMT I will not buy or play it. 

Just my 2ct for today.

...well maybe more like 1ct.