Originally posted by odinsassassi

Well i really have a hard time understanding these forums. Someone states their opinion. Ones opinion can never be wrong thats why its ours :) and if is negative agains the game in any way people get insulting and angry. The OP doesn't like the game was looking forward to it and out of frustration posted here. I can totally understand that. And everyone attacks him. Cause hes conforming to the hype of the game. I like the OP was looking forward to the game. But after playing the beta i realize its not for me. My reasons are my own and dont feel like being insulted so wont list them here. Do i wan't the game to fail no what do i care if it fails or not. Variety is the spice of life to each their own not gonna insult people because they like something i dont sheesh. I was under the impression that forums were for stating ones though and opinions on games and whatnot. People need to get a little less defensive i think well thats just my 2 cents worth anyways.

Thats the problem, you are acting like all opinions are perfectly fine to state.  Yes they are, that does not make them facts.

To make an opinion have atleast any validity at all you must back up your opinions with FACTS.

No one in these forums does that.  They just say "I HATE IT Q.Q  IT NO WORK THE WAY I WANT!"

Try a format like the guy on the top of this page, he clearly stated he hated the graphics, that is a valid point that does not NEED facts, its a pure opinion.

Saying something along the lines of "I HATE THE PLAY CONTROL"  doesn't tell anyone anything except that you don't like it, which leads to people flaming the poster.

Back up your opinions with facts when needed.  It'll make you not get flamed.

Originally posted by Scalebane

Whats my level?

Good question. Let's find out:

well i cant say my impression was "bad" of Aion, like the above poster. at least at start. im not thinking its gonna be for me. bad game? not by any means. solid char creation which is a must for any mmo i play, the only exception i ever really had here was FFXI , but i still find that one of my more preffered and favorite mmos.  Aions artstyle, engine performance are very nice . animations in combat flow smoothly and look good.  basic gameplay seems solid. just thinking i may wait a bit to watch how Aion progresses after release.

sadly though like the above poster said. the forums are wild, i skim them periodically readin bits of this and that for various games of interest to me,  aside from posters being attacked w/o warning for stating their own opinions, theres also alot of not so smart or polite opinions being thrown in like they are asking to start trouble. not to mention everyone has to say "WoW" clone this, or that. yes, WoW is big, and popular. and a solid game.  BUT its not the basis for which we all center our gaming attention on lol. whys a game gotta be a "clone" let itgo, its a game , every mmo out just about has more then 1 similiarity to another mmo. so on that, every mmo is pretty much a X clone of X game(s)

id still say ne one thats been curious about Aion to check it out in beta if they can. it already boasts solid performance right off of launch which not many can do so well.  so my impressions of aion from what little little i tried myself in beta . its a 50/50 for my choice of next mmo. only for personal reasons, not because i found gameplay breaking issues, or bugs, or whatever though. dont base ur opinion just off of the building "hype", which in this games case i sort of did.  try it and do ur research first.  what one doesnt like, others will. simple as that

Originally posted by teco221

Unless NCsoft has done something to 1.5 version otherwise my prediction for the game is:

1. after 3 months, 30% of players would quit due to unable to level up.  Death penalty or not sure what to do i.e. unskilled plyers

2. another 2 months, 20% of players would quit due to botting, hacking and gold farmers.  (Unless 1.5 can stop it)

3. Another 2 months, 25% of players would quit because they feel like they have done everything and nothing else to do.

25% of players would remind to play

 

Currently Cleric level 31 Region 9 server

N.A. beta server Siel cleric level 21

1. In 3 months, you'll be max level. I don't know of any MMO that raised the level cap in the first 3 months of gameplay. Aion doesn't require any more skill to level up than any other MMO on the market. You kill mobs, do quests or unlike any 99% of other MMO's, you gain XP from gathering and crafting. Death penalty in Aion isn't that bad, since you can easily earn enough coin to keep it fixed, which basically makes it nonexistant.

2. This has already been stated a 1000 times. There isn't a single MMO that hasn't been infiltrated by hackers, botters and gold farmers, yet a lot of people still play those games, WoW included.

3. This is the only observation your wrong about and I'll use Dark Age of Camelot as the example, because Aion's endgame is very similar. In DAoC, the real game didn't start till you reached higher levels and started PvPing in the Frontier ( Abyss for Aion ) which consisted of constant fight for control over the 3 realms towers, fortresses and power relics. Sure, Aion doesn't have 3 playable realms, but they do have a 3rd NPC realm that will either randomly attack the other 2 realms or perhaps it will fight the more populated / powerful realm. Either way, Aion's endgame will definately surpass most games on the market due to the fact it's PvP based and not just PvE grind.

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Originally posted by oakthornn

My first impressions of Aion were not very good. After reading all the hype and excitement over the game, checking out some pvp vids, and knowing about it's development for the last 3-4 years, I decided to pre order the game and couldn't wait to try it out.

I hate to sound so negative but,, personally I don't think it will be very successful in North America. Lineage was and still is very popular in the asian market but didn't do so well over here. I tried it, enjoyed the graphics but hated the gameplay. I lasted about a week.. After trying Aion this weekend, nothing impressed me. For starters, I don't understand the hype, glamour, and just can't see what others supposedly do regarding the graphics. Honestly, Vanguard, LOTRO, and even EQ2 looks better. I have a 8800 GTS Graphics card with a 1440-900 LCD 19 inch monitor in which I cranked the settings all the way up,,, or as high as they can go in Beta. The trees look to cartoonish similar to WoW, bleh! The water looks childlike and not as clear, real, and gorgeous as other games like EQ2, Vanguard, and LOTRO.. The player models look bland, dull, not diverse enough, and everyone looks pretty much exactly the same. The monsters I've seen so far looks as If they should be in pokemon,, very very childish. One thing I do like about Aion is the combat system and cool animations. I love the idea of a fun combo combat system and this is the only reason I haven't uninstalled the game,,,,,, yet... But the combat system alone won't save the game for me. It felt as If I was playing a manga anime, and not a true traditional eXciting MMORPG.

I believe Aion will not be huge in North America. Once true oldschool EQ and DAOC vets check out the game, I'm sure most of them will see what I see and that highly anticipated smile will quickly turn into a upsetting frown. Being an Avid MMO Vet, I most likely won't play Aion this September unless my other half insists I play,, which I hope not.. The next game on my most anticipated list is Mortal Online.. I'll get the chance to test that out on the 3rd of August.. Hopefully I won't be as disappointed with that as I was with Aion.
 

Just a little word to the wise. "There aren't enough EQ and DAOC vets combined to make a dent in aion's playerbase. It really doesn't matter if they check it out or not.

Also you are wrong about the character models looking dull, and there not being enough variation. Obviously you must have accidently skipped the character creator without realizing it even existed. Because it is far from simple. But I have the same arguement, I believe that just about all "Real life" HUMANS look bland and un-diverse. Just like the aion models you describe ( ;

If you disclude the differences in color, facial structure, body structure, and uglyness-attractivness of ALL human beings.Then even our human race is bland and un-diversified. It's not tough to spin that on anything. Aion is just as diverse in looks as any other game and more than ANY other second rate mmo without a robust character creator.

I don't even half to like aion to realise this.

Originally posted by denshing

Originally posted by oakthornn

My first impressions of Aion were not very good. After reading all the hype and excitement over the game, checking out some pvp vids, and knowing about it's development for the last 3-4 years, I decided to pre order the game and couldn't wait to try it out.

I hate to sound so negative but,, personally I don't think it will be very successful in North America. Lineage was and still is very popular in the asian market but didn't do so well over here. I tried it, enjoyed the graphics but hated the gameplay. I lasted about a week.. After trying Aion this weekend, nothing impressed me. For starters, I don't understand the hype, glamour, and just can't see what others supposedly do regarding the graphics. Honestly, Vanguard, LOTRO, and even EQ2 looks better. I have a 8800 GTS Graphics card with a 1440-900 LCD 19 inch monitor in which I cranked the settings all the way up,,, or as high as they can go in Beta. The trees look to cartoonish similar to WoW, bleh! The water looks childlike and not as clear, real, and gorgeous as other games like EQ2, Vanguard, and LOTRO.. The player models look bland, dull, not diverse enough, and everyone looks pretty much exactly the same. The monsters I've seen so far looks as If they should be in pokemon,, very very childish. One thing I do like about Aion is the combat system and cool animations. I love the idea of a fun combo combat system and this is the only reason I haven't uninstalled the game,,,,,, yet... But the combat system alone won't save the game for me. It felt as If I was playing a manga anime, and not a true traditional eXciting MMORPG.

I believe Aion will not be huge in North America. Once true oldschool EQ and DAOC vets check out the game, I'm sure most of them will see what I see and that highly anticipated smile will quickly turn into a upsetting frown. Being an Avid MMO Vet, I most likely won't play Aion this September unless my other half insists I play,, which I hope not.. The next game on my most anticipated list is Mortal Online.. I'll get the chance to test that out on the 3rd of August.. Hopefully I won't be as disappointed with that as I was with Aion.
 

 

Just a little word to the wise. "There aren't enough EQ and DAOC vets combined to make a dent in aion's playerbase. It really doesn't matter if they check it out or not.

Right, so those poeple who played DAOC and EQ don't matter?

Considering that many, many gamers today started in EQ or DAOC, I really do not see your reasoning or logic here.

Who do you think this game will appeal to then?

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by denshing

Originally posted by oakthornn

My first impressions of Aion were not very good. After reading all the hype and excitement over the game, checking out some pvp vids, and knowing about it's development for the last 3-4 years, I decided to pre order the game and couldn't wait to try it out.

I hate to sound so negative but,, personally I don't think it will be very successful in North America. Lineage was and still is very popular in the asian market but didn't do so well over here. I tried it, enjoyed the graphics but hated the gameplay. I lasted about a week.. After trying Aion this weekend, nothing impressed me. For starters, I don't understand the hype, glamour, and just can't see what others supposedly do regarding the graphics. Honestly, Vanguard, LOTRO, and even EQ2 looks better. I have a 8800 GTS Graphics card with a 1440-900 LCD 19 inch monitor in which I cranked the settings all the way up,,, or as high as they can go in Beta. The trees look to cartoonish similar to WoW, bleh! The water looks childlike and not as clear, real, and gorgeous as other games like EQ2, Vanguard, and LOTRO.. The player models look bland, dull, not diverse enough, and everyone looks pretty much exactly the same. The monsters I've seen so far looks as If they should be in pokemon,, very very childish. One thing I do like about Aion is the combat system and cool animations. I love the idea of a fun combo combat system and this is the only reason I haven't uninstalled the game,,,,,, yet... But the combat system alone won't save the game for me. It felt as If I was playing a manga anime, and not a true traditional eXciting MMORPG.

I believe Aion will not be huge in North America. Once true oldschool EQ and DAOC vets check out the game, I'm sure most of them will see what I see and that highly anticipated smile will quickly turn into a upsetting frown. Being an Avid MMO Vet, I most likely won't play Aion this September unless my other half insists I play,, which I hope not.. The next game on my most anticipated list is Mortal Online.. I'll get the chance to test that out on the 3rd of August.. Hopefully I won't be as disappointed with that as I was with Aion.
 

 

Just a little word to the wise. "There aren't enough EQ and DAOC vets combined to make a dent in aion's playerbase. It really doesn't matter if they check it out or not.

Right, so those poeple who played DAOC and EQ don't matter?

Considering that many, many gamers today started in EQ or DAOC, I really do not see your reasoning or logic here.

Who do you think this game will appeal to then?

My wife played for 5 years and I played it for 3 and we both believe play style that of all the games we have played, we only play online games (mostly MMORPG) that this reminds us of EQ. Trains,  kiting, kill stealing seen it all. Good and bad that was the first game it reminded me of. 

Originally posted by cfurlin

Originally posted by Scalebane

Whats my level?

 

Good question. Let's find out:

 

See Scalebane? 88% think you are just another poster or a poster that represents his opinion as fact. Pretty typical for ANY forum. I wouldn't feel bad about that.

There are nine votes as I post this and you have 11.1% who think you are a troll. That's one person. Wanna take a guess at who that might be?

EDIT: Oops, forgot to finish. So if that's the "bar", then anyone who says they won't stoop to your level has a highly inflated opinion of  themselves.

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Originally posted by templarga

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Originally posted by denshing

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Originally posted by oakthornn

My first impressions of Aion were not very good. After reading all the hype and excitement over the game, checking out some pvp vids, and knowing about it's development for the last 3-4 years, I decided to pre order the game and couldn't wait to try it out.
I hate to sound so negative but,, personally I don't think it will be very successful in North America. Lineage was and still is very popular in the asian market but didn't do so well over here. I tried it, enjoyed the graphics but hated the gameplay. I lasted about a week.. After trying Aion this weekend, nothing impressed me. For starters, I don't understand the hype, glamour, and just can't see what others supposedly do regarding the graphics. Honestly, Vanguard, LOTRO, and even EQ2 looks better. I have a 8800 GTS Graphics card with a 1440-900 LCD 19 inch monitor in which I cranked the settings all the way up,,, or as high as they can go in Beta. The trees look to cartoonish similar to WoW, bleh! The water looks childlike and not as clear, real, and gorgeous as other games like EQ2, Vanguard, and LOTRO.. The player models look bland, dull, not diverse enough, and everyone looks pretty much exactly the same. The monsters I've seen so far looks as If they should be in pokemon,, very very childish. One thing I do like about Aion is the combat system and cool animations. I love the idea of a fun combo combat system and this is the only reason I haven't uninstalled the game,,,,,, yet... But the combat system alone won't save the game for me. It felt as If I was playing a manga anime, and not a true traditional eXciting MMORPG.
I believe Aion will not be huge in North America. Once true oldschool EQ and DAOC vets check out the game, I'm sure most of them will see what I see and that highly anticipated smile will quickly turn into a upsetting frown. Being an Avid MMO Vet, I most likely won't play Aion this September unless my other half insists I play,, which I hope not.. The next game on my most anticipated list is Mortal Online.. I'll get the chance to test that out on the 3rd of August.. Hopefully I won't be as disappointed with that as I was with Aion.
 

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Just a little word to the wise. "There aren't enough EQ and DAOC vets combined to make a dent in aion's playerbase. It really doesn't matter if they check it out or not.

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Right, so those poeple who played DAOC and EQ don't matter?
Considering that many, many gamers today started in EQ or DAOC, I really do not see your reasoning or logic here.
Who do you think this game will appeal to then?

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This game will appeal to current WAR players who are sick with constant lags during RVR after almost one year of release. They will love the smooth experience. I already know 4 destruction guilds and 5 order guilds who moved to AION and loving the lag free RVR.

This game will also appeal to many WOW, LOTR and EQ2 players who are comfortable with generic PVE MMOS and are not looking for any innovation but something new to PVE in. This game will also appeal to all those who have never playes a MMO but are trying the genre for first time. AION is easy to learn and is new comer friendly.

So thats a lot of players even if DAOC and EQ l33t population refuse to give AION a chance.

It's fun.  At least for me.  That's what matters TO ME.  I don't basd my value of a game on how "big" it will be in NA vs. Asia, or how "big" it will be vs. the other games.  I base the value it has on how much fun *I* have while playing it.  It's not a pissing contest... it's not a "my MMORPG is better than your daddy... errr, MMORPG" juvenile posturing.  It's simply of matter of fun *to me* vs. boring *to me*.  And, in this light, Aion passes with flying colors.

For example, I came home last night after 7 days of vacation in Sedona, AZ.  I hiked all over, did the Grand Canyon, went to creeks and endured the sweltering heat.  I was exhausted (and still am).  At the end of the vacation, my body truly ached and when I finally got home yesterday the only thing I wanted was a hot shower and a loooooong nap.  Guess what I wound up doing instead?

Yep, you got it.  I played Aion from the time I got home (around 1 or 2 p.m.) until 3 or 4 AM.... I played until I literally could not see straight.  Today, I woke up in my bed, computer still running (hibernation mode), glasses nowhere to be found (I was that tired that I just stumbled into bed with them on, I think... finally found them on the floor after looking this morning).  Do you know the last time I've done that with a game?  FFXI, and that was months... maybe even years ago.

The complaints about the graphics are just picky.  I do admit that some of the tree textures don't really seem "full" enough, but your complaints about the water show that you haven't been to Cantas Coast yet (or if you have, you weren't looking closely enough).  The animation of waves ebbing and flowing looks excellent, and all in all, the game looks great and is CONSISTENT to its theme.  I understand some might not like the art, but you have to admit it's a consistent feel thoughout the game.  The art director and art team(s) should be applauded for making a world that feels so seamless.

I guess OP is entitled to their opinion, but count me in as one gamer who is having a blast.  And I know I'm only ONE person and the OP seems to value only what the unthinking masses cherish, but as far as I'm concerned, Aion is fun and enjoyable and I will play the hell out of it until FFXIV comes out.  I hope all those who are playing and enjoying continue to do so, and those who don't just move along and play a game they enjoy instead of trolling one they obviously don't.

 You have to get to level 20+ to appreciate AION.  I found out last night that there are areas to level after 20 with no rifts which will make the game more appealinfg to PvE's (although the drops are not as good).  Read the quests....understand the game...the lore is very well done and there are very deep stories there.  If you go through like a mindless robot you will miss half of AION.  The game will do fine in NA and EU.  The publishers are asking for feedback and will improve/make changes to make it better.  I find the graphics to be stunnning (not WoWish at all) and the music....well....most MMO's I have the sound off, but not this one.  The character animation (excluding the Korean emotes which will be changed...hopefully soon) is excellent...watch your character closely in battle and out and you will see what I mean.  

To the OP.

Your rant regards graphics only. WoW doesn't look good compared to several MMO's yet it is still successful. If you want eye candy, play a game that offers it. Mob models are interesting, but nothing innovative. Why does this matter so much?

What are you looking for? You say you are a seasoned MMO vet but yet all you critique is graphics, models and nothing really about gameplay.

To tell you the truth, the crowd to please isn't the oldschool EQ and DAOC players any more. The crowd to please now is (sadly) the WoW mass, the people who didn't like WAR, and those sitting around looking for something to play and waste time on. Us EQ and DAOC players will never be satisfied like we were back in the day. The market has changed.

Aion is a good game, so far. I haven't played too high, but you can never judge a game this early. I played WoW and I thought 1-20 was stupid, boring, tedious and not fun at all. After that, it got interesting. I played WAR and it was fun right off the bat, but the end game fell behind. Give Aion a bigger shot than this beta (which is really isn't a beta) then see if you like it.

All i can say this game is really fun and addictive!! but good things is ,i tried the beta but my computer is really not good enough to play this game so im getting crash/hang alot during the play time :(   BUT over all...  AION is cool and fun game :P

Your negative review is based on your opinion of an art style, you didnt mention anything that is actually WRONG with the game. The art isnt wrong, its what they intended it to look like and is a poor basis for review. And even if that WAS the only thing everybody cared about, just look at WoW, has a very cartoony art style, which isnt a bad thing. Cartoons arent just for kids ya know? Think about it...you are still playing video games!

Also Lineage II has a very big following, or at least did for the few couple of years.

And Aion is already hugely popular here. Will that change upon release? Possibly, we will just have to wait and see.

Originally posted by Shastra

 

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Originally posted by templarga

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Originally posted by Shastra

 

 

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Originally posted by templarga
HOW DARE YOU SAY ANYTHING AGAINST THE GREATEST GAME EVER MADE!!!! AION WILL REVOLUTIONIZE GAMING AND MAKE ALL OTHER MMO DEVELOPERS WEEP.
 
Seriously though, I do agree with you and think most people are still in the "honeymoon", "it's a new game to play so its awesome" phase.
Anyway, massive fanboi defense incoming in 3.......2..........1..........

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I am sorry but you are an idiot. Not even one AION fanboy ever claimed that AION will revolutionize gaming. AION is a very polished game and is combination of all the MMO from EQ to WAR.
You are a bad troll. Try harder next time.

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Actually it has not released so its success is non-existant. The game is played for 3 days every 2 weeks. It is still in a marketing trial mode in Europe and NA so stating that it is a success right now is a outright lie because there is nothing to gauge its success on.
If you would like, I will provide you with information that reflects that. Its called a release date.
And if you can't take a joke, work on your reading comprehension.

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You can try to spin the previous comment in any way you like but you failed in your sarcasm. If you want to make fun of AION fans atleast don't make up things. No one ever said AION is revolutionary. And the beta is proof enough of AION's popularity and nothing will change on release date. Ofcourse those who want AION to fail will continue with their doom and gloom.

Haha, I don't think this guy will ever get the sarcasm.Stop taking it so personally.Damn Fanboi's

Originally posted by JoyEnergiser

Originally posted by Shastra

 

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Originally posted by templarga

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Originally posted by Shastra

 

 

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Originally posted by templarga
HOW DARE YOU SAY ANYTHING AGAINST THE GREATEST GAME EVER MADE!!!! AION WILL REVOLUTIONIZE GAMING AND MAKE ALL OTHER MMO DEVELOPERS WEEP.
 
Seriously though, I do agree with you and think most people are still in the "honeymoon", "it's a new game to play so its awesome" phase.
Anyway, massive fanboi defense incoming in 3.......2..........1..........

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I am sorry but you are an idiot. Not even one AION fanboy ever claimed that AION will revolutionize gaming. AION is a very polished game and is combination of all the MMO from EQ to WAR.
You are a bad troll. Try harder next time.

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Actually it has not released so its success is non-existant. The game is played for 3 days every 2 weeks. It is still in a marketing trial mode in Europe and NA so stating that it is a success right now is a outright lie because there is nothing to gauge its success on.
If you would like, I will provide you with information that reflects that. Its called a release date.
And if you can't take a joke, work on your reading comprehension.

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You can try to spin the previous comment in any way you like but you failed in your sarcasm. If you want to make fun of AION fans atleast don't make up things. No one ever said AION is revolutionary. And the beta is proof enough of AION's popularity and nothing will change on release date. Ofcourse those who want AION to fail will continue with their doom and gloom.

Haha, I don't think this guy will ever get the sarcasm.Stop taking it so personally.Damn Fanboi's

WTF does READING COMPREHENTION have to do with understanding a joke?

I think its called a sense of humor... though I may have lost it amongst your horid posts.  Trolls being trolled by trolls.  Ugh pointless thread is pointless.

Originally posted by madeux

Originally posted by Shastra

Its already huge in North America and Europe so you are wrong.

 

Isn't it funny how many people WANT it to fail?  Just because it doesn't cater to their particular needs.  They can't just move on and let other people enjoy the game, they have to try and force their dissapointment on others.

I'm having a blast playing the game.  That's all that matters for me. 

QFT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfrTAt_m1po

IMO.

huge hit in NA, EU.. its not launhed but its a hit? HUH? ok

Aion is a great example of how the smallest of changes = a GREAT MMO.. the next WOW KILLER!

People see the toons and OMG the graphics are awesome.. best I have ever seen! I guess you dont play many FREE2PLAY games.

Do you like it when your killing mobs some other player comes along and kills your kill.. gets the XP and loot? Its not kill stealing. Who ever does the most dmg gets the kill. Aion was made like this. You have no right to get upset.. cry.. you know report them lol it wont help because there doing nothing wrong. You cant say.. well AoC.. war.. wow blah blah is not like this and that person is just MEAN and bad.. blah blah.. nope that person is just playing the game the way it was made. Yes it happens alot..so change channels or get a group or find a different mob.

You dont even see how the game goes after level 25. You cant just solo any more.  PVP, rifts come into play.. there is no ON/OFF for pvp.. you WILL PVP or just die each time.

personally im not really worried about the graphics im more interested in how is the content and gameplay like?