Originally posted by Reklaw

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

Originally posted by Reklaw

Wake up people, seriously last month in the US alone 467,000 lost there jobs ( thats only in 1 month), so how's that for being brought back down to earth instead of making a whole topic about only 41 people who lost there jobs, seriously it seems some need to get some real perspective. Of course like I said in the news section on this site it is always bad for people to lose their jobs, but common....lets try to keep it real.............

And Blizzard has just posted 66 new job opportunities:

http://www.blizzard.com/us/jobopp/

That's real.  It also may give the laid off employees from SOE a better place to work.  I hope they find success and more security elsewhere.

45 postings for jobs at NCsoft:

http://us.ncsoft.com/en/jobs/

They're also hiring at Cryptic and Turbine, in case anyone's looking.

Like I said 467,000 people lost their job in just one month and here we are debaten something that minor compared to the things happening around us.

Not sure what your links try to do here, as any company yes even if you look for Sony Online you will find job oppertunities.

I also wonder WHO are the people that got fired, I mean for all we know it was the cleaning crew and now developers might need to clean up after themselfs? Who knows?, or do some of you have inside info about who got fired to make topics like this?

Also like to mention how some of you react about the "world leader ship" I mean again lets get real and we all see and know for a fact that many gamecompany's use the phrase, while almost anyone into MMO's knows for a fact that it seems to be Blizzard that is truly the world leader in MMO space regardless what any other company makes it out to be.

What I'm saying is that despite the recession, some MMO companies appear to be expanding.  Others, like SOE, seem to be shrinking.  So, the recession in and of itself does not appear to be hitting all MMO companies equally.  Other factors seem to be at work.  Business model could be one factor, so could quality assurance and customer satisfaction.  I'm sure there are many factors over and above the recession.

I agree that Blizzard has more claim to the "leadership" title than SOE; at least in terms of how I think of leadership.  It also appears that their business model is very up front and reasonably stable regarding costs and what you can expect to receive.  They also seem to excel at quality assurance, population growth, and population retention.  Their marketting is very well done, and comes across as honest and accurate.  They have had no massive rewrites of their live game.

Now, compare SOE on those bench marks: business model stability, quality assurance, population growth, population retention, accurate marketting, massive rewrites.   All of these variables bring one word to mind: ouch.  I'm persuaded that all of these variables are highly significant regarding the success of an MMO. 

It could be anything. Not necessarily to do with SOE's performance. They could be doing fine. It's a recession, that's the only excuse someone needs to make themselves look better on paper. Although most reports are showing a drop in gaming profits for this recession, does that include mmorpgs? I dont know. Maybe they scrapped dcu on ps3 since marvel just got the diablo 1 and 2 and battle.net guy. they mine as well.

Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi

It could be anything. Not necessarily to do with SOE's performance. They could be doing fine. It's a recession, that's the only excuse someone needs to make themselves look better on paper. Although most reports are showing a drop in gaming profits for this recession, does that include mmorpgs? I dont know. Maybe they scrapped dcu on ps3 since marvel just got the diablo 1 and 2 and battle.net guy. they mine as well.

 

My favourite part of your comment: "it's a recession, that's the only excuse someone needs to make themselves look better on paper."  I agree.

Having said that I'm sure it's one factor in the mix; one of many.  I think it's long past time SOE was subjected to a rigorous, third-party, organizational review--starting from the top-down.

When you're laying off 5% of your full-time workforce, and your major competitor is on a hiring blitz, crying "recession" is a loser's game imo.

Originally posted by Reklaw

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

Originally posted by Reklaw

Wake up people, seriously last month in the US alone 467,000 lost there jobs ( thats only in 1 month), so how's that for being brought back down to earth instead of making a whole topic about only 41 people who lost there jobs, seriously it seems some need to get some real perspective. Of course like I said in the news section on this site it is always bad for people to lose their jobs, but common....lets try to keep it real.............

And Blizzard has just posted 66 new job opportunities:

http://www.blizzard.com/us/jobopp/

That's real.  It also may give the laid off employees from SOE a better place to work.  I hope they find success and more security elsewhere.

45 postings for jobs at NCsoft:

http://us.ncsoft.com/en/jobs/

They're also hiring at Cryptic and Turbine, in case anyone's looking.

Like I said 467,000 people lost their job in just one month and here we are debaten something that minor compared to the things happening around us.

Yes there is a recession, but overall the video game market (PC and Console) are still seeing growth last year and this year.  This isn't just a case of 'time are hard everywhere', because it doesn't apply in this case.

Soe has a self proclaimed massive hit on their hands, so there should be no reason to lay people off in a market that is still seeing growth.  They should be taking bags of money to the bank, but most indications say they are not. 

honestly when an employer like soe witch by the way has a big futur with free realm ,i dont believe wow should employ those guys ,if soe laid those off its for a reason espacially dev.i mean blizzard would probably have to keep them so short a leach it wouldnt be productive

blizzard has to keep with successfull game maker or dev.like employe from ubisoft,or ea wich makes ton of great successfull game even tho im mmo they do soso ,the sim ,all the sport game etc

soe only real good is in console in computer game the just begin to have succes again with free realm

so it makes me wonder what all these computer game maker have been doing all these years while blizzard was busy churning out bc ,wotlk ,soon doom3,starcraft 2 etc blizzard as too big a squedule to bother with ex employe from soe that have been sleeping on the jobs for years ,i believe soe made a good call in lowering their workforce

loli bet free realm as probably been conceived from a partnership loland prob no computer game maker from soe touched it

it must be frustrating for soe to have all those employe and almost no succes to speak of like blizzard

check on xfire warcraft 3 is still among the top hell that game is so old nobody remember when it was made

imagine soe seeing that they must like "/$%"%/?%$/?&%$&*

and rightly so

Originally posted by Daffid011

Yes there is a recession, but overall the video game market (PC and Console) are still seeing growth last year and this year.  This isn't just a case of 'time are hard everywhere', because it doesn't apply in this case.

Soe has a self proclaimed massive hit on their hands, so there should be no reason to lay people off in a market that is still seeing growth.  They should be taking bags of money to the bank, but most indications say they are not. 

 

 

 

You are right of course, but it is not about blanket effects. Recessions will pick off weaker foes, and if all of SOE's money is on Free Realms? This won't be the last layoff, in my opinion -- even though I think FR is a decent game.
 

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi

It could be anything. Not necessarily to do with SOE's performance. They could be doing fine. It's a recession, that's the only excuse someone needs to make themselves look better on paper. Although most reports are showing a drop in gaming profits for this recession, does that include mmorpgs? I dont know. Maybe they scrapped dcu on ps3 since marvel just got the diablo 1 and 2 and battle.net guy. they mine as well.

 

 

My favourite part of your comment: "it's a recession, that's the only excuse someone needs to make themselves look better on paper."  I agree.

Having said that I'm sure it's one factor in the mix; one of many.  I think it's long past time SOE was subjected to a rigorous, third-party, organizational review--starting from the top-down.

When you're laying off 5% of your full-time workforce, and your major competitor is on a hiring blitz, crying "recession" is a loser's game imo.

we dont have to search long in to soe can game

ps3 was and is probably loosing money everythime they sell one they betted on selling lot of game

ps2 was popular way longer then soe had hoped ,they had to continue selling ps2 they make money out of those and it sell a lot faster then ps3

add to that that even if they tried for 100 years to could never match nintendo wii price or the amount of money nintendo make and you get soe begging for ma break

the only way they could get out of this mess is stopping right now making all the stuff they make that makes them loose money

its like if wow had to pay each player 20 $ a month  lol instead of player paying 20$ a month

on the long run it just cant work

and if soe doesnt find a long term solution they could hit the same wall general motor faced (bankrupcy)

Originally posted by drbaltazar

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi

It could be anything. Not necessarily to do with SOE's performance. They could be doing fine. It's a recession, that's the only excuse someone needs to make themselves look better on paper. Although most reports are showing a drop in gaming profits for this recession, does that include mmorpgs? I dont know. Maybe they scrapped dcu on ps3 since marvel just got the diablo 1 and 2 and battle.net guy. they mine as well.

 

 

My favourite part of your comment: "it's a recession, that's the only excuse someone needs to make themselves look better on paper."  I agree.

Having said that I'm sure it's one factor in the mix; one of many.  I think it's long past time SOE was subjected to a rigorous, third-party, organizational review--starting from the top-down.

When you're laying off 5% of your full-time workforce, and your major competitor is on a hiring blitz, crying "recession" is a loser's game imo.

 

we dont have to search long in to soe can game

ps3 was and is probably loosing money everythime they sell one they betted on selling lot of game

ps2 was popular way longer then soe had hoped ,they had to continue selling ps2 they make money out of those and it sell a lot faster then ps3

add to that that even if they tried for 100 years to could never match nintendo wii price or the amount of money nintendo make and you get soe begging for ma break

the only way they could get out of this mess is stopping right now making all the stuff they make that makes them loose money

its like if wow had to pay each player 20 $ a month  lol instead of player paying 20$ a month

on the long run it just cant work

and if soe doesnt find a long term solution they could hit the same wall general motor faced (bankrupcy)

I don't think SOE has anything to do with the PS2 or PS3. That is Sony, not SOE.

Originally posted by spikers14

Originally posted by Daffid011

Yes there is a recession, but overall the video game market (PC and Console) are still seeing growth last year and this year.  This isn't just a case of 'time are hard everywhere', because it doesn't apply in this case.

Soe has a self proclaimed massive hit on their hands, so there should be no reason to lay people off in a market that is still seeing growth.  They should be taking bags of money to the bank, but most indications say they are not. 

 

 

 

You are right of course, but it is not about blanket effects. Recessions will pick off weaker foes, and if all of SOE's money is on Free Realms? This won't be the last layoff, in my opinion -- even though I think FR is a decent game.
 

yep fr is a great game its the only title i can say do great in soe computer mmo camp can soe mmo industry survive with just that

mm i guess soe answered this question by laying off 5% of its workforce

SOE develope games for PS3 aswell.

/Z

by  the way ncsoft had to hire people lol ,gw2 is soon to come out ,aion will come out etc thats just the one we know

gw still as to be supported l2,l etc  true gw was made by areanet the first time ,i believe it will probably be so again

I thought NCSoft fired a number of people recently as a result of tabula rasa failing. 

 The NA offices were completely reformed, I believe.

I just can't help but picture some middle management yes man crying out,

"I laid them all off Smed! Even the children"!!!