Seriously, they're on par with a 1994 cgi cartoon series, ReBoot:

It's the only thing about the game I'm really not fond of ... but perhaps there will still be some changes made to make player models look less... 'meh'.  Ah well at least the gameplay in the latest update looks awesome and as wel all know, Gameplay>Graphics.

They are indeed, God-awful.

They alone will turn many people off from trying the game.

I can't stand how they justify the decision in every podcast/video too ... "...we didnt want to go for a realistic (appealing) art style.  Instead, we chose to go with something we're calling "stylized reality" (dogsh*t). tee hee!"

Companies need to learn to stop emulating WoW if they want to make money.  Copying any aspect of WoW is a mistake, especially it's cartoony "stylized reality" art styling.

They are. But I guess (hope) they are more placeholders. Seen that apparently the same guy's face is copied and just slightly altered? I guess we have to see.

And? Do you really think that KOTOR had good graphics? No, of course not. Even for its time, they were primitive. And yet I, and millions of others, absolutely loved them.

Get over it.

Originally posted by Ozryk 

Companies need to learn to stop emulating WoW if they want to make money.  Copying any aspect of WoW is a mistake, especially it's cartoony "stylized reality" art styling.

Yes because we all know realistic or seriously high resolutioned games run so fantastic on millions of machines. I mean just look at Age of Conan, Everquest 2, Vanguard, and SWG.  All of them when they released were top notch at the Time they released and they all ran like utter crap so Millions of People are still playing!

Why dont you guys save the whine for when TOR goes into Beta Stage? When it reaches Beta Stage usually the art is pretty much done at this point we have no idea how the game actually is going to look in the end.  Alot can change in what the year to year and a half or more they have before Beta / Release.

Blizz did get something right by going with a more 'stylized" look they upped the chances MORE people could play gaining them a better retention rate.

I acutally like it.  I'm tired of every MMO trying to make their game look like RL, they are all looking the same, AoC, EQ2, etc.

This has a nice stylization to it.

If someone can't live with a style of characters they dislike and choose not to play the game for that reason, yet the game would otherwise be their dream game, they should take a long gander at their priorities, IMO.

The style isn't my favorite... and I really don't care. WoWs models are even worse, yet I played that for quite awhile.

It takes far less graphics power to make something like that look good than anything photo-realistic (which usually ends up looking crappy anyway), which means larger zones, more players on screen, and less lag. Besides, I really like the look they've pulled off.
 

As long as the characters got character I dont really care, you will know what I mean if you look at characters in Vanguard and compare them to world of warcraft. I want a feeling of the world in an mmo othervise its better to play singleplayer. If you look at characters for around 5 min you can see if they feel alive or not, which makes up alot in the mmo world. Vanguard is a very good example on how bad modeling and character feeling dead can just destroy a mmo.  And I am sure that BioWare thought of this when they designed the chars and world around it for a reason. And like always "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts". So lets wait and see.

Originally posted by GundamAce

It takes far less graphics power to make something like that look good than anything photo-realistic (which usually ends up looking crappy anyway), which means larger zones, more players on screen, and less lag. Besides, I really like the look they've pulled off.
 

Well said I agree.

Originally posted by Moirae

And? Do you really think that KOTOR had good graphics? No, of course not. Even for its time, they were primitive. And yet I, and millions of others, absolutely loved them.

 

Get over it.

I hope you feel awesome for telling me to 'get over it'.  Cuz you are man, you're awesome.  Awesome cool.  And you're totally right too, which makes you more awesome cool.  How dare I have an opinion and not like something after all.  Damn.  Put me in my place...

Anyway...

I actually know a girl who I wanted to play this game but she said simply 'it looks so ugly I can't stand it.  I would hate my character'.  Well that sucks and she's gonna miss out on an incredible MMORPG for sure, but that right there shows that there are people who care about the way their characters look.  It's actually one reason I stayed away from WoW - I knew I couldn't stand the art style for long so there was no way I was going to stare at my character for hours on end...

I'm thinking that character customization stuff will come later and the models will get much better as time goes on - but AT THE MOMENT, the game is looking and sounding incredible - except the player models.

The graphics are fine.  Just the models... not into it so much :/

Gameplay over graphics anyday and a gamer that doesn't see the good reason behind that..is helping to destroy the Game World.  I mean seriously what good does it do for a game to be 100 perfect visually but utterly suck because of lag or shitty gameplay due to limitations caused by the over use of polygons and textures? None thats what. 

If your friend is that turned off by pictures that aren't even from the Beta then your friend should kick herself in the rear or atleast get her priorities straight.   It really sounds like you and your friend are just looking for an early excuse to hate the game before you even know anything about it beyond story and voice acting and a couple of pictures.

Originally posted by DeaconX

Originally posted by Moirae

And? Do you really think that KOTOR had good graphics? No, of course not. Even for its time, they were primitive. And yet I, and millions of others, absolutely loved them.

 

Get over it.

I hope you feel awesome for telling me to 'get over it'.  Cuz you are man, you're awesome.  Awesome cool.  And you're totally right too, which makes you more awesome cool.  How dare I have an opinion and not like something after all.  Damn.  Put me in my place...

Anyway...

I actually know a girl who I wanted to play this game but she said simply 'it looks so ugly I can't stand it.  I would hate my character'.  Well that sucks and she's gonna miss out on an incredible MMORPG for sure, but that right there shows that there are people who care about the way their characters look.  It's actually one reason I stayed away from WoW - I knew I couldn't stand the art style for long so there was no way I was going to stare at my character for hours on end...

I'm thinking that character customization stuff will come later and the models will get much better as time goes on - but AT THE MOMENT, the game is looking and sounding incredible - except the player models.

You know what? I'm very tired of all the constant nonstop complaining on here about this game. It just does not stop. Ever. Everything about this game is ticking everyone off. Even the fact that its Star Wars. I'm quite sick to death of hearing it.

If it isn't the player models, its the fact that its voiced completely, if it isn't the voiced capability, its the fact that Lucas has something to do with it, If it isn't that its that Mythic is involved, if it isn't that Mythic is involved, its that its not FFA PvP only, if its not that, its about how the quests are implemented... and nearly EVERYTHING that they are complaining about has NOTHING to do with reality because we don't know the final form of ANY of it.

This isn't "discussion", its "whiny bitching" thats been showing on this forum.

So I wasn't all warm and fuzzy about yet again more complaining, so what.

From what I've seen, the less armor they are in, the worse the characters look.

AS they add armor, which the characters are made for, it really makes them not look so...meh.

But I still like it, and I will still play it. I just hope I can have some...normal clothes outside of the armor to wear sometimes.  I do enjoy to look different.

Originally posted by banthis

Gameplay over graphics anyday and a gamer that doesn't see the good reason behind that..is helping to destroy the Game World.  I mean seriously what good does it do for a game to be 100 perfect visually but utterly suck because of lag or shitty gameplay due to limitations caused by the over use of polygons and textures? None thats what. 

If your friend is that turned off by pictures that aren't even from the Beta then your friend should kick herself in the rear or atleast get her priorities straight.   It really sounds like you and your friend are just looking for an early excuse to hate the game before you even know anything about it beyond story and voice acting and a couple of pictures.

*Stuff I wrote retracted, it was kinda mean :/ so ... I appologize*

Even in my first post of this thread I stated gameplay>graphics.  I know this.

I probably know a lot more about the game than you do.  I'm not gloating about that, I'm just saying I've been following it since before there was anything to really follow.  I'm actually a huge fan and believe this will be the greatest mmoRPG ever built.  I simply don't enjoy the modelling style of the characters.  That is all.  It is the one thing which I find to be the worst part of TOR.  It is not game breaking.  In fact, if the worst part of a game is the graphics, that means everything else, all the REALLY important stuff, is great.

If  you don't share my opinion that's fine and cool.

Originally posted by Moirae

You know what? I'm very tired of all the constant nonstop complaining on here about this game. It just does not stop. Ever. Everything about this game is ticking everyone off. Even the fact that its Star Wars. I'm quite sick to death of hearing it.

 

If it isn't the player models, its the fact that its voiced completely, if it isn't the voiced capability, its the fact that Lucas has something to do with it, If it isn't that its that Mythic is involved, if it isn't that Mythic is involved, its that its not FFA PvP only, if its not that, its about how the quests are implemented... and nearly EVERYTHING that they are complaining about has NOTHING to do with reality because we don't know the final form of ANY of it.

 

This isn't "discussion", its "whiny bitching" thats been showing on this forum.

 

So I wasn't all warm and fuzzy about yet again more complaining, so what.

Down with Whining! Join me...and we shall destroy the Jedi *cough* i mean whiners..j/kin

seriously the whining at this point is just silly...they've only just started releasing information and even then they've not released much beyond voice acting, a couple of classes, and the story stuff.  I mean there's not enough meat to whine about at this point.   Its all up for debating and speculating but people just wanna bitchwhine and pretend its educated.

Originally posted by DeaconX

 

Alright Banthis, it would seem your reading comprehension has something wrong with it... Even in my first post of this thread I stated gameplay>graphics.  I know this.

I probably know a lot more about the game than you do.  I'm not gloating about that, I'm just saying I've been following it since before there was anything to really follow.  I'm actually a huge fan and believe this will be the greatest mmoRPG ever built.  I simply don't enjoy the modelling style of the characters.  That is all.  It is the one thing which I find to be the worst part of TOR.  It is not game breaking.  In fact, if the worst part of a game is the graphics, that means everything else, all the REALLY important stuff, is great.

If  you don't share my opinion that's fine and cool.

I perfectly understood you.  I was speaking of your friend so maybe its YOUR reading comprehension that lacks...its just annoying to see this constant complaint over some Alpha / Dev pictures from a game thats not even In or NEAR beta...its no where near beta why bother bitch crying over something thats probably not even finished?   Come back and try again when they reach Beta stage.

Originally posted by banthis

Originally posted by Moirae

You know what? I'm very tired of all the constant nonstop complaining on here about this game. It just does not stop. Ever. Everything about this game is ticking everyone off. Even the fact that its Star Wars. I'm quite sick to death of hearing it.

 

If it isn't the player models, its the fact that its voiced completely, if it isn't the voiced capability, its the fact that Lucas has something to do with it, If it isn't that its that Mythic is involved, if it isn't that Mythic is involved, its that its not FFA PvP only, if its not that, its about how the quests are implemented... and nearly EVERYTHING that they are complaining about has NOTHING to do with reality because we don't know the final form of ANY of it.

 

This isn't "discussion", its "whiny bitching" thats been showing on this forum.

 

So I wasn't all warm and fuzzy about yet again more complaining, so what.

 

Down with Whining! Join me...and we shall destroy the Jedi *cough* i mean whiners..j/kin

 

seriously the whining at this point is just silly...they've only just started releasing information and even then they've not released much beyond voice acting, a couple of classes, and the story stuff.  I mean there's not enough meat to whine about at this point.   Its all up for debating and speculating but people just wanna bitchwhine and pretend its educated.

Dude I've been speculating about this game since like 2006 and if you knew me better, you'd know I'm a huge follower of the game/bioware and have always pointed out the brilliance of everything they're doing with TOR... I'm just ... kind of wishing the models looked more appealing to me and I know I'm not the only one.  But hey, it's not my game it's BioWare's and I'm eager as hell to play despite the models which I'll just have to learn to love...

What should concern you far more than anything else is this:

During a conference call with investors, EA's CEO John Riccitello has revealed that BioWare's Star Wars: The Old Republic MMO will be a mid-session game that's micro-transaction based, thereby distancing the title from World of Warcraft's model of subscription based payment.

"Other initiatives that we have announced, for example the Star Wars Online MMO, are mid-session games which are micro-transaction based. You'll be hearing more about those in the February call," Riccitello stated.

Despite EA's attempts to douse the flames that Riccitello's comments have ignited (referring to them as a misunderstanding and reminding people that no statements have been made about the game's business model), Riccitello has previously spoken of EA projects that are destined for the Chinese market which use just such a model.

So, what exactly is a mid-session MMO? While traditional hardcore models for MMOs have followed a 'long session' model, which uses subscription-based payments in the traditional WoW format, the alternative 'short session' model for MMOs is typically browser based and aimed at a more casual market.

With this in mind, it seems logical that a mid-session model will blend the two traditional models, with the application of micro-transaction payments providing further evidence for this. EA's Battlefield Heroes will adopt such a micro-transaction model as a free to play game that brings in revenues from in-game ads and the purchase of virtual items by players for use in the game (i.e. micro-transactions).

Could this be an indication that Star Wars: The Old Republic MMO is designed for a more casual market than the likes of WoW, Warhammer Online, or even the KOTOR series itself? The oversized lightsabers that we've seen in screens of the game so far would certainly be indicative of just such a move. As always, we welcome your thoughts in the comments below.

Originally posted by banthis

Originally posted by DeaconX

 

Alright Banthis, it would seem your reading comprehension has something wrong with it... Even in my first post of this thread I stated gameplay>graphics.  I know this.

I probably know a lot more about the game than you do.  I'm not gloating about that, I'm just saying I've been following it since before there was anything to really follow.  I'm actually a huge fan and believe this will be the greatest mmoRPG ever built.  I simply don't enjoy the modelling style of the characters.  That is all.  It is the one thing which I find to be the worst part of TOR.  It is not game breaking.  In fact, if the worst part of a game is the graphics, that means everything else, all the REALLY important stuff, is great.

If  you don't share my opinion that's fine and cool.

 

I perfectly understood you.  I was speaking of your friend so maybe its YOUR reading comprehension that lacks...its just annoying to see this constant complaint over some Alpha / Dev pictures from a game thats not even In or NEAR beta...its no where near beta why bother bitch crying over something thats probably not even finished?   Come back and try again when they reach Beta stage.

 

Actually according to Gordon Walton in a recent interview, they are nearing beta.  And if you'll notice I retracted the statement about your reading comprehension - that was a jerk thing to say so, I'm sorry dude.