Originally posted by Abloec

Originally posted by khameleon

Originally posted by Abloec

Originally posted by khameleon

Originally posted by Abloec

Ok well since people apparently don't read what they are getting when they are buying ill clear some things up,

Embossed Metal Box - This box isnt some flimsy piece of crap its an actual metal box that will last a long time and probably easily costs 10 dollars just to make it.

Free future digital updates and EXPANSIONS - Ok for anyone who is into MMO's this should ring a big whoa in your head meaning that expansions like lets say in terms of WoW, Burning Crusade and WoTLK which both when released cost what 40 bucks? meaning for just the boxed version of WoW to date cost 110 dollars compared to Mortal Onlines 75 dollars.

So I hope this little explanation of mine enlightens some people.

 

A tin can costs 10 cents to make in China for one.  They make a pair of Nike shoes for only a few cents and you think its $10 for a tin can? That is just a useless box once the game is released if it is not a success. You will most likely throw it away in a few months because you can't give away an AOC or WAR collector's edition right now.

Free expansion, you know why? They won't release any big expansion, these Devs have no money. They will probably call patches an expansion how Darkfall is using that word.

Buy what you want, but please don't try to tell people this is a good deal and cheap...

 

 

lol, Obviously you don't know the expenses of personalized items. I have looked at even custom poker chips for friends and for like 100 chips just plastic chips with a sticker on them costs close to 100 dollars,  here find me a company that will make me an embossed metal box with a customized picture I send  worth even 5 dollars and ill give you 50 dollars.

 

If you are one person trying to buy one of an item it is expensive of course.

If you are mass producing items from a Chinese factory they are probably 1 dollar per tin man....

You are only getting a box that others will be getting, it is not personalized with your own design and name.

 

Here you go though just to show you an example, the first thing I saw on google searcgh:

 

http://www.motivators.com/Promotional-SportBottles-Custom-13-344.html

 

Personalized items for 79 cents and a couple dollars... go figure huh? That is from a website selling to individuals.

 

Now imagine asking a factory in China to make you a lot of an item, just copies, it is only a couple cents each believe me.

 

 

lol, You haven't shown me anything close to the work that it takes to make an embossed metal box, and your saying they went to a china factory we don't know where they got this from an I will say this theres no way that they bought these for a couple cents per and if they did the people that made it are losing money so the chances of that happening are extremely low. Also the 79 cent bottles were plastic, the alluminum ones were 4 dollars or so and almost 10 dollars for stainless steel. We don't know what type of material the box is made of either.

Instead of arguing over what the cost of tin is, why not argue over the fact that this game is just like DFO NOT READY TO SELL!
 

Good luck to all the suckers who went for the preorder.

Whenever a company offers extras to preorder people, it means the sales at release are not as important. If you're not familiar with what Dark n' Light did you need to do some research. I didn't fall for it then...and won't fall for it now. I can pick apart the last gameplayer trailer and point out problems in every scene. Then they followed it up with a powerpoint presentation and some charts indicating how overcomplicated the useless aspects of the game are. Star Vault is preying on the large population of Darkfall castouts. You will soon learn that Darkfall is the better game.

Originally posted by Vaylla

Originally posted by solareus

Originally posted by Obamaonics

Originally posted by solareus 

I can say that from how they handled this so far is the most exploitive scam to date with Fileplant being a key reason why we are seeing more andmore of these pay  to play BETAS, and even if a game was to be release, I will say with 80 percent certainty we we will be seeing Dark and Light all over again cause people will never learn.

 

You obviously havent been around the mmorpg genre long.  Darkfall was the and continues to be the biggest scam and sherade of an mmo to ever be released.

 

Thank goodness you wont be playing, though keep trolling the forum from your welfare life;no biggie.

Yes Obviously, cause "Thrones of Chaos" was the biggest crock of shit ever. But of course that was way after Darkfall 

If you all want to be mmo noobs,  go right ahead, all of the mmo veterens will be waiting for a released, shipped and running product

 I don't really get that feeling here and btw I am more of an MMORPG vet then probably 99.99% of the people on this board.

 

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Keep in mind that $10 of that $75 is shipping. Another thing to consider is that if you got into beta block A or B you are practically playing for free for over 2 months. So, 3-4 months of gametime (month free once it goes live), a metal box, all future expansions covered, and shipping. Seems like an appropriate price to me, especially considering Xbox 360 and PS3 games cost $60 in stores and don't have a shred of the immersiveness a PC MMO can have. 

I paid, and I'm happy I paid.  I don't buy cds, movies, or games usually, but I have hope in this one. Hope is all. Dangerous, I know.

$75 is just too much for a game that I may not even play over a month. This is just my opinion. Maybe down the line if I know it'll be worth it, but if this is some plan they're trying to make more money to make additions to the game- I think they'd make more sales with a $50 price tag and give or take the perks (Free expansion and metal case- My boxes end up rotting on my book shelves anyway after the game is installed. I don't need a fancy tin.)

Originally posted by jusomdude

The only people that are crying about this are one of the following:

1. Pissed because they can't afford the boxed version and get into the beta.

2. Are not fans of the game in the first place and are just trying to find a way to discredit the company.

 

I don't know how many times I have to say this but, THE GAME WILL BE AVAILABLE AT A LATER DATE WITH LESSER OR EQUAL NORMAL MMO COST FOR DIGITAL DOWNLOAD!

so, assuming all the complainers are fans of the game and just want to get into beta, caugh up the dough now and be guaranteed a spot in the beta, or wait for the digital download, with no guarantees on beta access.

Quoted for truth and smacked some color around for ultimate clarity. If you want a box and be a tester, you can, but you will have to pay for the privilege.

Producing these boxes and their contents is not a cheap thing if you consider the relatively low amount. It really isn't. Even if you have everything produced in China. It wouldn't surprise me if producing and shipping the whole package first to SV and than to you would be in excess of 20$ dollars. The costs and logistics for each MO box are very different from any other boxed game distributed by big publishers by the millions. Apart from that; in general companies don't offer collector's editions to cash in on, they do it to please the biggest fans of their product.

What expansions ? how many will there be and will they be contracted to deliver a certain amount of expansive content ?

Originally posted by solareus

What expansions ? how many will there be and will they be contracted to deliver a certain amount of expansive content ?

Contracted by who?

The only thing they said is that all future expansions (for instance the big chucks of content they have already planned / worked on but which might not be ready at launch) are free. The rest is just speculation at this time.

Originally posted by PeZzy

Good luck to all the suckers who went for the preorder.

Whenever a company offers extras to preorder people, it means the sales at release are not as important. If you're not familiar with what Dark n' Light did you need to do some research. I didn't fall for it then...and won't fall for it now. I can pick apart the last gameplayer trailer and point out problems in every scene. Then they followed it up with a powerpoint presentation and some charts indicating how overcomplicated the useless aspects of the game are. Star Vault is preying on the large population of Darkfall castouts. You will soon learn that Darkfall is the better game.

Ok so every game that offers extra items with pre-orders its because they don't believe they will get their moneys worth after they release the game hmmm...... Well id like you to explain the CoD4 pre-order or Halo 3 pre-order oh oh and the new Mordern Warfare 2 Pre-order. Yea just like Dark Pony said the pre-order content is for the consumers that want to collect a piece of the game that people who just throw 50 bucks for just the game don't have, the 10,000 people that order something from Mortal Online will have something from the Developers that only 10,000 people will actually have the rest will only be able to get the direct download.

Ok so you can pick apart the last gameplay trailer they released and see problems, some people actually look at the trailers and see the possibilities thats what having an open mind means, you go straight to the negative. The power-point might of been overcomplicated for you but it got my blood pumping the depth of the crafting, the blood mixing, everything just looked like a fresh and potential MMO that I will be playing for years to come.

Actually at this point in time I believe if anything the MO devs if it was possible would like to outcast the Darkfall populace considering people from Darkfall tried to sabotage the pre-order that day.

Originally posted by Abloec

Ok well since people apparently don't read what they are getting when they are buying ill clear some things up,

Embossed Metal Box - This box isnt some flimsy piece of crap its an actual metal box that will last a long time and probably easily costs 10 dollars just to make it.

Free future digital updates and EXPANSIONS - Ok for anyone who is into MMO's this should ring a big whoa in your head meaning that expansions like lets say in terms of WoW, Burning Crusade and WoTLK which both when released cost what 40 bucks? meaning for just the boxed version of WoW to date cost 110 dollars compared to Mortal Onlines 75 dollars.

So I hope this little explanation of mine enlightens some people.

I understand, sounds good. So, if I wait get the DD only version for $44.95 and the game is good I'll be happy to buy an expansion, if it suks? Im only out $44.95 Now consider the same @ $75 if it suks...DOH!

Originally posted by Abloec

Ok well since people apparently don't read what they are getting when they are buying ill clear some things up,

Embossed Metal Box - This box isnt some flimsy piece of crap its an actual metal box that will last a long time and probably easily costs 10 dollars just to make it.

Free future digital updates and EXPANSIONS - Ok for anyone who is into MMO's this should ring a big whoa in your head meaning that expansions like lets say in terms of WoW, Burning Crusade and WoTLK which both when released cost what 40 bucks? meaning for just the boxed version of WoW to date cost 110 dollars compared to Mortal Onlines 75 dollars.

So I hope this little explanation of mine enlightens some people.

These days MMO devs seem to capitalize a LOT from BETA releases. About WoW expansions, they are real expansions that add land mass, dungeons, quests, gear, weapons and many things. Darkfall's first "expansion" looks more like a patch.

If this was a collector's edition that includes say a mount, a ring or special weapon, a map and other goodies I would let it pass. But no, IMHO, this BETA price is not acceptable.

Originally posted by Horkathane

Originally posted by Abloec

Ok well since people apparently don't read what they are getting when they are buying ill clear some things up,

Embossed Metal Box - This box isnt some flimsy piece of crap its an actual metal box that will last a long time and probably easily costs 10 dollars just to make it.

Free future digital updates and EXPANSIONS - Ok for anyone who is into MMO's this should ring a big whoa in your head meaning that expansions like lets say in terms of WoW, Burning Crusade and WoTLK which both when released cost what 40 bucks? meaning for just the boxed version of WoW to date cost 110 dollars compared to Mortal Onlines 75 dollars.

So I hope this little explanation of mine enlightens some people.

I understand, sounds good. So, if I wait get the DD only version for $44.95 and the game is good I'll be happy to buy an expansion, if it suks? Im only out $44.95 Now consider the same @ $75 if it suks...DOH!

 

No worries, there is no expansion charges even for DD.    There will be no expansion charges post launch either.     Its the same model that other sandbox games use where they tack on a few extra bucks a month over average and your expansions are free to download for all accounts.

Originally posted by khameleon

Originally posted by Abloec

Originally posted by khameleon

Originally posted by Abloec

Ok well since people apparently don't read what they are getting when they are buying ill clear some things up,

Embossed Metal Box - This box isnt some flimsy piece of crap its an actual metal box that will last a long time and probably easily costs 10 dollars just to make it.

Free future digital updates and EXPANSIONS - Ok for anyone who is into MMO's this should ring a big whoa in your head meaning that expansions like lets say in terms of WoW, Burning Crusade and WoTLK which both when released cost what 40 bucks? meaning for just the boxed version of WoW to date cost 110 dollars compared to Mortal Onlines 75 dollars.

So I hope this little explanation of mine enlightens some people.

 

A tin can costs 10 cents to make in China for one.  They make a pair of Nike shoes for only a few cents and you think its $10 for a tin can? That is just a useless box once the game is released if it is not a success. You will most likely throw it away in a few months because you can't give away an AOC or WAR collector's edition right now.

Free expansion, you know why? They won't release any big expansion, these Devs have no money. They will probably call patches an expansion how Darkfall is using that word.

Buy what you want, but please don't try to tell people this is a good deal and cheap...

 

 

lol, Obviously you don't know the expenses of personalized items. I have looked at even custom poker chips for friends and for like 100 chips just plastic chips with a sticker on them costs close to 100 dollars,  here find me a company that will make me an embossed metal box with a customized picture I send  worth even 5 dollars and ill give you 50 dollars.

 

If you are one person trying to buy one of an item it is expensive of course.

If you are mass producing items from a Chinese factory they are probably 1 dollar per tin man....

You are only getting a box that others will be getting, it is not personalized with your own design and name.

 

Here you go though just to show you an example, the first thing I saw on google searcgh:

 

http://www.motivators.com/Promotional-SportBottles-Custom-13-344.html

 

Personalized items for 79 cents and a couple dollars... go figure huh? That is from a website selling to individuals.

 

Now imagine asking a factory in China to make you a lot of an item, just copies, it is only a couple cents each believe me.

 

SV didn't mass produce the boxes.  They only had a limitted number of them made and had to sell them first in order to ensure they made the money back for them.  They only did it becuase people had been asking for it.

The cost of the boxes is higher because they only made a limitted number.
Like you pointed out, when you mass produce an item it's cheap. 
As someone else pointed out, as I keep pointing out, when you only make a small amount of something it cost more.

I've looked into having paintings turned into prints.
It's expansive as hell if I do only a few at a time. 
I have to print them in the thousands if I wanted to be able to sell the prints at a cost that people would be willing to pay and I would be able to make a worthwhile profit on.  In the end it's not affordable for me to make prints, the quality would be poor and the price wouldn't be low enough. 

Originally posted by Abloec

 

 

Embossed Metal Box - This box isnt some flimsy piece of crap its an actual metal box that will last a long time and probably easily costs 10 dollars just to make it.

Um extremely doubtful the box costs $10 to make.  CDs cost all of like a cent to produce.  And like people said before, keep the box, unnecessary clutter.  It's a nice way of the company saying, "You get a metal paperweight and a digital download to boot."

the only way they can justify this price is if the tin turns into a transformer that helps around the house.

One of the biggest selling points of a boxed copy for me, I keep reading about 30GB of space needed for this game including patches etc. Want to try and calculate what the average internet user has on an internet connection? Or better yet, how long it would take to download even half that ammount? I downloaded Aion (5gb) on an 8mb connection. Took me 3.5-4 hours. I'll take a boxed version to save me even 8+ hours any day on downloads etc. And the best thing? I get all the patches on a disc from pre-release as well. I'm willing to bet that's a solid 10 hours of time. Not 100% on that, but I can imagine it.

People are just starting to pester buyers now. We've already explaned that the followers WANTED this! If Star Vault WERE scammers, why wouldn't they go the Darkfall route and just get people to blow $50 on a Digital Download, with no physical item for their money if they wanted to simply do a runner? It's cost Star Vault money to do all this, including shipping to them, organising it all made etc. A stretch too far for a company wanting to simply rip people off don't you think?

There have been numerous threads now on the price of it. I won't pull the "You're too poor, go play a F2P mmo instead" card, because i'm not exactly rich at the moment either, and I felt it a lot when I decided to invest in my boxed copy. But for crying out loud, pay it, don't pay it.. and if you can't afford it, I hope we will see you in game when the cheaper Direct Download comes out, because I'd love to have many people along in the game to play with. Just don't go on and on about it. The price has been explaned, you've made your point, we've made ours. No one is right, at least not until we see where the game goes from here.

The funny thing is that as always happen, people pay for the "exclusive" beta and when the game is released to general public is all buggy. Whatever, if people want to throw their money it's their call.  Watch some of these people that pre-order QQing later. I know many of these Beta testers that the only thing they do is to beta test, get their free month and never re-sub. Then come into the forums and start to QQ until the next game is ready for beta testing. I guess the devs realized there is a lot of money grab from these beta testers.

Originally posted by Moretrinkets

The funny thing is that as always happen, people pay for the "exclusive" beta and when the game is released to general public is all buggy. Whatever, if people want to throw their money it's their call.  Watch some of these people that pre-order QQing later. I know many of these Beta testers that the only thing they do is to beta test, get their free month and never re-sub. Then come into the forums and start to QQ until the next game is ready for beta testing. I guess the devs realized there is a lot of money grab from these beta testers.

You could also look at it as a vested interest.   If your willing to "gamble" money on a game with little to no REAL information, what you are buying is a vision.      What SV did is give - 10000 testers a reason to try to help them make their game the best it can be.   No game will get away from the QQ but perhaps this will motivate people enough to test and bug report and feedback for fear of a monetary loss upon themselves.      Also, if you can sustain capital even DURING the beta cycle, there is a bit less incentive to rush a lauch of the game like we have seen so many developers do in recent years, especially since there will probably be no NDA.  It might work ok, it might not.    Time will tell. 

Originally posted by jaspr180

Originally posted by Moretrinkets

The funny thing is that as always happen, people pay for the "exclusive" beta and when the game is released to general public is all buggy. Whatever, if people want to throw their money it's their call.  Watch some of these people that pre-order QQing later. I know many of these Beta testers that the only thing they do is to beta test, get their free month and never re-sub. Then come into the forums and start to QQ until the next game is ready for beta testing. I guess the devs realized there is a lot of money grab from these beta testers.

 

You could also look at it as a vested interest.   If your willing to "gamble" money on a game with little to no REAL information, what you are buying is a vision.      What SV did is give - 10000 testers a reason to try to help them make their game the best it can be.   No game will get away from the QQ but perhaps this will motivate people enough to test and bug report and feedback for fear of a monetary loss upon themselves.      Also, if you can sustain capital even DURING the beta cycle, there is a bit less incentive to rush a lauch of the game like we have seen so many developers do in recent years, especially since there will probably be no NDA.  It might work ok, it might not.    Time will tell. 

I do understand the whole "buy a vision" thing and $75 is not that much (although more than any other MMO out there) but I just cannot, in good conscience, spend $75 on a game which may or may not even make it out of alpha. It's just not a good value purchase in my opinion.

On the other hand, I could care either way if someone decided to pay $75 to beta test the game, if you find value in your purchase, more power to you. Personally, I would rather spend the $75 on beer then to test the character creator and the log-in server. Which is pretty much what the first batch of testers will be doing.