The mods over at the DF forums just outright deleted a 300 post thread asking who the Darkfall publisher for North America was.

I started the thread asking for information on the NA publisher, not because I wanted to catch AV out in any sort of lie, but because I have had personal bad experiences with GOA as the EU publisher for Dark Age of Camelot, and wanted to know just who exactly would be controlling the NA server before making any purchase there.

My question was asked nicely, I also sent numerous emails to aventurine asking for the information, using the same reason, and have received no response from them.

There is a definite official restriction of information regarding this topic by AV, and I would highly recommend anyone considering purchasing the NA client to be very careful, as the whole issue appears very suspicious.

Ok I have a question for you folks playing this. WHY

I think the only way they're going to get out of this one is if they own up that they did in fact lie about the NA publisher and NOT charge people for the NA client. This entire thing is bogus and that's coming from a neutral onlooker. I have supported neutrally and have played the game without bias but enough is enough.

Originally posted by Mystik86

I think the only way they're going to get out of this one is if they own up that they did in fact lie about the NA publisher and NOT charge people for the NA client. This entire thing is bogus and that's coming from a neutral onlooker. I have supported neutrally and have played the game without bias but enough is enough.

Nah, the publisher must have pulled out. That is bad publicity so Tasos keeps the lid on, as he usually does when bad things happening.

But the reason people play is the same reason that I play EQ2 even though SOE and Smadley publishes it: if you have fun you will still play a game, you don't have to defend the devs every stupid desision, you just have to have a good time.

Why some people defend a company whatever happens is another thing, but playing a game as long as you have fun is nothing wrong at all.

Originally posted by Elsabolts

Ok I have a question for you folks playing this. WHY

Have to agree with this mans logic

Didn't some moderator claim at the end that the publisher was GNI (the server hosting company) and then close the thread?  If so, that's some funny reading.  Anyone with half a brain can look at GNI's press release regarding it and see that they are only providing server hosting..not actual publishing.  AV must have seen what their own moderator said and decided to just delete the entire thread.

Got to think at this point AV is the publisher. Otherwise why is it so hard to find out. Should be public info otherwise. GNi just provides server banks. The saga that is AV gets better by the day

Just buy the NA license with PayPal and you will see who the publisher is and who the money goes directly to.

No accounting department, clearing house, processing company, bank, etc. just directly to tasos@aventurine.com.

Didn't believe it myself until my friend that just won' t listen went ahead and ordered it and sure as shit.

Just gotta wonder why the PayPal account wasn't formed as a business account but as a personal account. I have been a PayPal member since they started, and keep my business account separate from my personal account, so I sent them an email asking about the account and directing them to the fraud alerts that have been posted by CC companies.

Should be interesting to see what comes back from them.

Originally posted by Vaylla

Just buy the NA license with PayPal and you will see who the publisher is and who the money goes directly to.

No accounting department, clearing house, processing company, bank, etc. just directly to tasos@aventurine.com.

Didn't believe it myself until my friend that just won' t listen went ahead and ordered it and sure as shit.

Just gotta wonder why the PayPal account wasn't formed as a business account but as a personal account. I have been a PayPal member since they started, and keep my business account separate from my personal account, so I sent them an email asking about the account and directing them to the fraud alerts that have been posted by CC companies.

Should be interesting to see what comes back from them.

Because Tasos plans to make off with the money secretly leaving all the AV staff in a lurch without ever paying any of them?

scammy is as scammy does?

Terafis, you are a buffoon.

You mean the thread entitled "Can we please know who the NA publisher is? My purchase depends on this information"?

The one written by Lobsterlulu?  It had 106 replies, so 107 posts in total.

Yes, it's a major conspiracy by the Reverse Vampires and Lobster People to stop you knowing who the publisher is.  Wake up to yourself.

Feel free to warn people who are thinking about the game but won't buy a game based on a publisher. 

who cares about publisher

ppl dont buy this game becouse it suck

now all "DF fans" will curse me

becouse they bought the game and dont want to agree they lost thier money :D

 my good man, u are an idiot,

first, i see more than enough replies for la grand conspiracy.  I know for a fact ppl are playing and doing just fine.

second, how do you know this detailed information.  is your life so empty that you watch what comes in, what goes out on the forum.  seriously,  go ride a bike, play ball, something.

Originally posted by Orthedos

Yes I have strongly suspected that the current crap pile of code called DF does not cost $12million, not even a tiny fraction of it.  The money is being embezzled.  Now Tasos is trying to grab the last dollar out of everybody before he runs off.

I have no way of proving that you have the truth nailed.  I am not going to waste $50 to confirm that the money paid goes from paypal to Tasos.  Fact is, I wonder if Tasos will use his real name in collecting money from Paypal, thereby making him liable for future legal issues.  By the way, do we know that Tasos is his real name?  I do not.

This said, I do not believe that money now collected will be used to improve the game.  It will go missing again, as the bulk of the $12million, all missing now.

Uhm, it costs a huge amount of money to make a MMO, even a bugged one. and 12M euro was just what they got from EU, they probably used more.

But Df have been in development longer than most MMOs and that costs a load of money, salaries, hardware, software, rent and much more. To compare Warhammer online costed 80M dollars (and that is pre launch) and they developed it a lot faster even if Mythic is bigger.

No, they are really broke by now, 6K players or whatever they have is not enough to run anything, they must lose a lot of money every month. So I don't belive Tasos have a huge bank account. And I doubt they can afford to actually run the game much longer unless omeone invest in them or they get 10 times as much players.

Originally posted by saurus123

who cares about publisher

ppl dont buy this game becouse it suck

 

now all "DF fans" will curse me

becouse they bought the game and dont want to agree they lost thier money :D

No, people quit the game because they have that opinion.

Since there is no free trial the rest cant really be sure of that. But bad reviews from most gaming sites and many ex players does not really encourage people, and the fact that the game cost a lot and have very few players and no commercials whatsoever doesn't help either.

terafis if you like playing DF why do you care who publishes it? Just enjoy the game :)

Originally posted by saurus123

who cares about publisher

ppl dont buy this game becouse it suck

 

now all "DF fans" will curse me

becouse they bought the game and dont want to agree they lost thier money :D

You know there are many mature people playing DF and enjoying it a lot.

Your generalizing assumption about DF fans makes you look like to be the type you blame others to be.

Originally posted by VoodooHoodoo

Terafis, you are a buffoon.

You mean the thread entitled "Can we please know who the NA publisher is? My purchase depends on this information"?

The one written by Lobsterlulu?  It had 106 replies, so 107 posts in total.

Yes, it's a major conspiracy by the Reverse Vampires and Lobster People to stop you knowing who the publisher is.  Wake up to yourself.

Feel free to warn people who are thinking about the game but won't buy a game based on a publisher. 

Actually the thread was locked, re-opened and then finally deleted. People really do want to know who the NA publisher is, who has the NA rights to DFO because Aventurine justified requiring NA players to pay again after they were told they would not have to because Aventurine did not have the NA rights to DFO and because Aventurine was not the NA publisher.

When people found out the money was in fact going to Aventurine and not another company it became important to know who the publisher is. No one believes Lobsterlulu needed to know who the publisher was before buying the game simply because thats how he or she does things. But with the several threads that were deleted prior to that one I imagine it was an atempt to ask without the thread being locked or deleted.

And no that was not the only thread locked and or deleted asking the same thing.

Aventurine stated they did not control NA rights to DFO and were not the NA publisher for DFO and that is why NA players must rebuy the client. Players have found information indicating they are the ones recieving payment for NA DFO clients being purchased. Now everyone wants to know if AV isn't the publisher who is? If AV does not own the rights to NA DFO, who does?

One mod tried saying it was GNi, which was funny in itself. Right now it's all about Damage control. So no thread asking about the NA publisher is likely to have a long life span simply because Aventurine seems to have been caught in a lie, and that lie is there whole basis for requiring an additional client purchase from NA players.

So to those that do not understand, that is the reason for so many asking and demanding to know who the NA publisher is.

for most people its not the publishers name that matters

what matters is that AV simply wont tell the truth.

Originally posted by VoodooHoodoo

Terafis, you are a buffoon.

You mean the thread entitled "Can we please know who the NA publisher is? My purchase depends on this information"?

The one written by Lobsterlulu?  It had 106 replies, so 107 posts in total.

Yes, it's a major conspiracy by the Reverse Vampires and Lobster People to stop you knowing who the publisher is.  Wake up to yourself.

Feel free to warn people who are thinking about the game but won't buy a game based on a publisher. 

It was a lot more than a hundred posts when they deleted it, but regardless they still have not provided any information about the publisher and continue to delete any threads asking about it.

If it's not a problem, why won't they tell us, and why continue to restrict any discussion about it?