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Originally posted by Pheace
Markoroas overstatements for Aion are laughable at best. Getting to 20 is doable in a small weekend. If PvP turns out to be good to great I don't know any real PvP-er that won't suffer through that *incredibly* short time to be able to PvP in a game for the rest of his game life.
 
The whole argument is ridiculous in my opinion, but then I know he doesn't agree.
 
Coming from Daoc myself, levelling through PvE to get to PvP is just fine with me. I care *far* more about PvP actually being *FUN* than I do about whether I get to do it from level 1.

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Lol, what do you expect?

He was the number one Warhammer cheerleader on this site since Day 1, lol.

Blaming other players, saying WAR was the best game ever, calling people trolls who were just telling the truth early about WAR when they said it had tons of problems and was boring overall... of course he's burned at any other game right now. There simply is no way someone who has posted as he has in defense of Warhammer and Mythic since September could ever be fair about any other MMO, and will pick out trivial parts to poison it for others. I think you and I know full well his attitude towards any critical behavior about WAR.

If anyone could slug out the borefest in WAR, they certainly can get through the first 20 easy levels of AION... there simply is no comparsion. I agree with your points about AION and so do most people who've tried it with an open eye. AION has about 4 million regular subscribers already with no mass defections, and that's before it hits NA/EU. WAR during the same amount of months out had about -400k split the game.

The best servers on WAR right now are either Order where dominated and Destro gets scraps (Dark Crag) or falling so fast in population week to week, that people are drifting out (Pragg). Half the people on Pragg are calling for a merger, and the other half say they'll quit if Mythic does it.

The "level 1" pvp thing is such a non-issue to any sane gamer it's really not even worth mentioning. You'd have to really be nitpicking far down on a list if that's a reason you won't play a game.

PVP supposed to be fun in any other game but not in Warhammer, because there is no real PVP. Let's see the facts:

1. Most PVPs are Group PVP based on quantity. Either one side is overwhelmed or the other side were too few people. I have seen Destructions made up with 3 warbands to take all BOs, Keeps and lot of people just watching and they don't even need to use RAM because it will make the door has no space for more people and difficult to target by range. 

2. It is definitely not fun to have just 1 strike to knock down your opponent because too many people have same target.

3. Most of the time defending or offending a keep are imbalanced, either offending an undefended keep or defending a keep with overwhleming opponents.

If you are lucky, you may have 10% chance to confront a balanced PVP during the day, and the rest of 90% are taking empty BOs and Keeps without opponents, which means you paid 100% but enjoy 10% or less fun out of Warhammer.

Originally posted by popinjay

 

 

 

The "level 1" pvp thing is such a non-issue to any sane gamer it's really not even worth mentioning. You'd have to really be nitpicking far down on a list if that's a reason you won't play a game.

Yes I'm obviously quite insane for expecting to PvP in a PvP game. Duh. What was I thinking? Thank you for clearing that up for me. 

Oh and btw is that your younger brother using the account again? I swear you have a split personality there buddy.

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Originally posted by markoraos

 Yes I'm obviously quite insane for expecting to PvP in a PvP game. Duh. What was I thinking? Thank you for clearing that up for me. 
Oh and btw is that your younger brother using the account again? I swear you have a split personality there buddy.

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See, that's where you're missing it I think. AION's not a PvP game. AION is a PvEvP game and there's a difference from WAR. But I'll give you the same "advice" you were telling people who were leaving WAR in droves months ago; "if you play AION like you play WAR, you won't like it because it's a different game."

You need to stop nitpicking AION. You are now starting to resemble what you described about AoC fans, lol. You really should let AION alone and stay off of those forums if you have nothing good to say about a game that hasn't even released OR that you haven't even gotten past level 15 on, play it if you like but you should keep your tiny fears bottled.

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Originally posted by markoraos-Dec 2008

Oh well, then it's all well for WAR because, just like MBJ said, one game's success is good for the whole genre. More WoW players = more MMO players - some of which will eventually find their way to WAR and other MMOs.

It turned out this wasn't just an empty rhetoric - I'd say that AoC's failure hurt WAR's sales and reception much much more than WotLK's success. A lot of people broken-hearted over AoC (and Vanguard etc) turned their anger towards WAR - they would have forgiven anything to their baby but once it turned rotten they were hell-bent on proving that all other new games suck. If AoC turned a success then the door would have been opened for other games. WAR simply came out at a bad time filled with a lot of negativity and resentment.

However even with all that I wouldn't call [WAR] a flop by far lol. I love to play it and it is the best mmo for me out at the moment, hands down. In addition I daily see people new to WAR on my server (it's not just alts and transfers by far lol). I'd say WAR has just recovered from initial subscription losses normal for any new release and is only now beginning it's true growth.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if it reached 1 mil subscribers at the end of its first year - unless EA gets cold feet and does something stupid that is. From what I've seen so far there is very very slight chance of that happening, if at all.

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This stuff is comedy gold. You really believed WAR was going to have 1 million subs in the coming year back in December? The truth was staring you right in the face, but you simply couldn't find a clue. Pretty sad.

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by markoraos

 

 Yes I'm obviously quite insane for expecting to PvP in a PvP game. Duh. What was I thinking? Thank you for clearing that up for me. 
Oh and btw is that your younger brother using the account again? I swear you have a split personality there buddy.

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See, that's where you're missing it I think. AION's not a PvP game. AION is a PvEvP game and there's a difference from WAR. But I'll give you the same "advice" you were telling people who were leaving WAR in droves months ago; "if you play AION like you play WAR, you won't like it because it's a different game."

 

You need to stop nitpicking AION. You are now starting to resemble what you described about AoC fans, lol. You really should let AION alone and stay off of those forums if you have nothing good to say about a game that hasn't even released OR that you haven't even gotten past level 15 on, play it if you like but you should keep your tiny fears bottled.

 

 

 

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Originally posted by markoraos-Dec 2008

 

Oh well, then it's all well for WAR because, just like MBJ said, one game's success is good for the whole genre. More WoW players = more MMO players - some of which will eventually find their way to WAR and other MMOs.

It turned out this wasn't just an empty rhetoric - I'd say that AoC's failure hurt WAR's sales and reception much much more than WotLK's success. A lot of people broken-hearted over AoC (and Vanguard etc) turned their anger towards WAR - they would have forgiven anything to their baby but once it turned rotten they were hell-bent on proving that all other new games suck. If AoC turned a success then the door would have been opened for other games. WAR simply came out at a bad time filled with a lot of negativity and resentment.

However even with all that I wouldn't call [WAR] a flop by far lol. I love to play it and it is the best mmo for me out at the moment, hands down. In addition I daily see people new to WAR on my server (it's not just alts and transfers by far lol). I'd say WAR has just recovered from initial subscription losses normal for any new release and is only now beginning it's true growth.

 

I wouldn't be surprised at all if it reached 1 mil subscribers at the end of its first year - unless EA gets cold feet and does something stupid that is. From what I've seen so far there is very very slight chance of that happening, if at all.

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This stuff is comedy gold. You really believed WAR was going to have 1 million subs in the coming year back in December? The truth was staring you right in the face, but you simply couldn't find a clue. Pretty sad.

Predicting the future is never a thankful business. However I still enjoy my WAR and got oodles more fun out of it than I ever had out of WoW that you so staunchily defended back then, if I remember correctly. I suppose I should appologize now for not sharing your taste? Enjoy whatever you enjoy the most, be it giant hamsters or whatever. I'd really love to share your excitement for Aion because some things in there are very appealing to me, but giant hamster grind is where I draw the line. A pity really - combining such advanced concepts as PvPvE with the oldtimer grind-inducing mechanics such as exclusively PvE grind leveling and reliance on in-game currency. Nope, sorry, but it' not my cup of tea anymore old chap.

saw the subject title of this thread and figured id offer up my opinion. i dont think WAR is a bad game by ne means, i cant completely get into it though. tried twice. but there are things i like in WAR, namely, the public quests and the tome i think are very cool features.

I haven't played it for long, but I found the Tome, Public Quests and Scenarios/PvP Lakes (PvP) with Bolster buff to be very interesting mechanics. I could play for 15 minutes and still have fun.

Originally posted by markoraos

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by markoraos

 

 Yes I'm obviously quite insane for expecting to PvP in a PvP game. Duh. What was I thinking? Thank you for clearing that up for me. 
Oh and btw is that your younger brother using the account again? I swear you have a split personality there buddy.

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See, that's where you're missing it I think. AION's not a PvP game. AION is a PvEvP game and there's a difference from WAR. But I'll give you the same "advice" you were telling people who were leaving WAR in droves months ago; "if you play AION like you play WAR, you won't like it because it's a different game."

 

You need to stop nitpicking AION. You are now starting to resemble what you described about AoC fans, lol. You really should let AION alone and stay off of those forums if you have nothing good to say about a game that hasn't even released OR that you haven't even gotten past level 15 on, play it if you like but you should keep your tiny fears bottled.

 

 

 

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Originally posted by markoraos-Dec 2008

 

Oh well, then it's all well for WAR because, just like MBJ said, one game's success is good for the whole genre. More WoW players = more MMO players - some of which will eventually find their way to WAR and other MMOs.

It turned out this wasn't just an empty rhetoric - I'd say that AoC's failure hurt WAR's sales and reception much much more than WotLK's success. A lot of people broken-hearted over AoC (and Vanguard etc) turned their anger towards WAR - they would have forgiven anything to their baby but once it turned rotten they were hell-bent on proving that all other new games suck. If AoC turned a success then the door would have been opened for other games. WAR simply came out at a bad time filled with a lot of negativity and resentment.

However even with all that I wouldn't call [WAR] a flop by far lol. I love to play it and it is the best mmo for me out at the moment, hands down. In addition I daily see people new to WAR on my server (it's not just alts and transfers by far lol). I'd say WAR has just recovered from initial subscription losses normal for any new release and is only now beginning it's true growth.

 

I wouldn't be surprised at all if it reached 1 mil subscribers at the end of its first year - unless EA gets cold feet and does something stupid that is. From what I've seen so far there is very very slight chance of that happening, if at all.

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This stuff is comedy gold. You really believed WAR was going to have 1 million subs in the coming year back in December? The truth was staring you right in the face, but you simply couldn't find a clue. Pretty sad.

 

Predicting the future is never a thankful business. However I still enjoy my WAR and got oodles more fun out of it than I ever had out of WoW that you so staunchily defended back then, if I remember correctly. I suppose I should appologize now for not sharing your taste? Enjoy whatever you enjoy the most, be it giant hamsters or whatever. I'd really love to share your excitement for Aion because some things in there are very appealing to me, but giant hamster grind is where I draw the line. A pity really - combining such advanced concepts as PvPvE with the oldtimer grind-inducing mechanics such as exclusively PvE grind leveling and reliance on in-game currency. Nope, sorry, but it' not my cup of tea anymore old chap.

sounds like you're about ready for FPS a'la battlefield.

Welcome to 5 years ago, if you hurry you may be able to catch up.

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Originally posted by markoraos

Predicting the future is never a thankful business. However I still enjoy my WAR and got oodles more fun out of it than I ever had out of WoW that you so staunchily defended back then, if I remember correctly. I suppose I should appologize now for not sharing your taste? Enjoy whatever you enjoy the most, be it giant hamsters or whatever.

I'd really love to share your excitement for Aion because some things in there are very appealing to me, but giant hamster grind is where I draw the line. A pity really - combining such advanced concepts as PvPvE with the oldtimer grind-inducing mechanics such as exclusively PvE grind leveling and reliance on in-game currency. Nope, sorry, but it' not my cup of tea anymore old chap.

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To the contrary, I don't think an apology is necessary at all. I already knew you had no idea what you were talking about in this game as you continually blamed customers for playing wrong. Anyone with half a brain knew Mythic had deep problems with the design of this game back in October/November.

Most of those "Wow fans" that you railed at for criticizing WAR left after the first month. That doesn't seem like they are too stupid after all of this unfolded. It looks like the average Wow gamer actually was SMART about what was going to fail, and they went back to WOTLK. If this game was as good as you kept going on daily about, it would have held their attention.

I only ask that you leave your freshman gaming opinions right here where you staked them many times as a "veteran gamer of many MMOs" and don't bring this attitude to AION. I really hope you don't play because admitted WAR fans such as yourself really don't need to try and sabotage AION with half truths ("its a grind", lol). It won't do any good, but it certainly doens't make you look any wiser. You have no idea about AION so please.. kept trying to figure out what went wrong in this game. You can say "that's my opinion" but coming from a guy who STILL thinks BWs are "nerfed to oblivion" that doesn't hold much water.

It's good you are still having fun in WAR. I remember kids picking their noses and eating boogies because that was "their thing" as well, but I just couldn't get into it.

But if you wonder why, you may have to ask yourself that question:

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Originally posted by markoraos

[WAR's] fun for me. More than any other mmo I played. Sometimes I think I must be hallucinating and playing some other game because when I read "PvE in upper tiers empty" I just reflect that I've just logged out of 2+ hrs of CH 22 Public Questing (that's rank 40) followed by a few scenarios (not Serpent's Passage lol) to top off the evening.

Dunno maybe I'm really insane... Maybe it's just this weird dream I have.. I keep making alts because the classes are all so interesting to play and I actually have no problem with open RvR. Dunno maybe I should get some professional help that'll make me understand what is obviously common knowledge here.

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Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by markoraos

Predicting the future is never a thankful business. However I still enjoy my WAR and got oodles more fun out of it than I ever had out of WoW that you so staunchily defended back then, if I remember correctly. I suppose I should appologize now for not sharing your taste? Enjoy whatever you enjoy the most, be it giant hamsters or whatever. I'd really love to share your excitement for Aion because some things in there are very appealing to me, but giant hamster grind is where I draw the line. A pity really - combining such advanced concepts as PvPvE with the oldtimer grind-inducing mechanics such as exclusively PvE grind leveling and reliance on in-game currency. Nope, sorry, but it' not my cup of tea anymore old chap.

sounds like you're about ready for FPS a'la battlefield.

Welcome to 5 years ago, if you hurry you may be able to catch up.

Oh lol! To what? EQ with wings?

Buahahahhaha! Man, I've been PvP-ing online almost since Air Warrior if you can remember that lol!

/wanders off shaking head in disbelief at "some people"

p.s. oh god, I'm fencing with the resident shills again... it seems that you really can't teach an old horse some new tricks..

Originally posted by markoraos

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by markoraos

Predicting the future is never a thankful business. However I still enjoy my WAR and got oodles more fun out of it than I ever had out of WoW that you so staunchily defended back then, if I remember correctly. I suppose I should appologize now for not sharing your taste? Enjoy whatever you enjoy the most, be it giant hamsters or whatever. I'd really love to share your excitement for Aion because some things in there are very appealing to me, but giant hamster grind is where I draw the line. A pity really - combining such advanced concepts as PvPvE with the oldtimer grind-inducing mechanics such as exclusively PvE grind leveling and reliance on in-game currency. Nope, sorry, but it' not my cup of tea anymore old chap.

 

sounds like you're about ready for FPS a'la battlefield.

 

Welcome to 5 years ago, if you hurry you may be able to catch up.

 

Oh lol! To what? EQ with wings?

Buahahahhaha! Man, I've been PvP-ing online almost since Air Warrior if you can remember that lol!

/wanders off shaking head in disbelief at "some people"

p.s. oh god, I'm fencing with the resident shills again... it seems that you really can't teach an old horse some new tricks..

Rofl, wow. You seriously can't do anything but bash Aion huh. Have a chip on your shoulder? Where did I make any mention of Aion? 

How about you stop shaking your head for a few minutes so your brain can actually work straight and you reread what I said.

Originally posted by markoraos

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by markoraos

Predicting the future is never a thankful business. However I still enjoy my WAR and got oodles more fun out of it than I ever had out of WoW that you so staunchily defended back then, if I remember correctly. I suppose I should appologize now for not sharing your taste? Enjoy whatever you enjoy the most, be it giant hamsters or whatever. I'd really love to share your excitement for Aion because some things in there are very appealing to me, but giant hamster grind is where I draw the line. A pity really - combining such advanced concepts as PvPvE with the oldtimer grind-inducing mechanics such as exclusively PvE grind leveling and reliance on in-game currency. Nope, sorry, but it' not my cup of tea anymore old chap.

 

sounds like you're about ready for FPS a'la battlefield.

 

Welcome to 5 years ago, if you hurry you may be able to catch up.

 

Oh lol! To what? EQ with wings?

Buahahahhaha! Man, I've been PvP-ing online almost since Air Warrior if you can remember that lol!

/wanders off shaking head in disbelief at "some people"

p.s. oh god, I'm fencing with the resident shills again... it seems that you really can't teach an old horse some new tricks..

Thank you for pointing out that im not having fun with the Aion beta. I was thinking that the reason i canceled my War sub right after beta ended monday was because after playing Aion i realized how an MMO should be. I would love to stay and be educated some more but i have giant hamsters to kill, they have big teeth.

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Originally posted by grandpagamer

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Originally posted by markoraos

Oh lol! To what? EQ with wings?
Buahahahhaha! Man, I've been PvP-ing online almost since Air Warrior if you can remember that lol!
/wanders off shaking head in disbelief at "some people"
p.s. oh god, I'm fencing with the resident shills again... it seems that you really can't teach an old horse some new tricks..

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Thank you for pointing out that im not having fun with the Aion beta. I was thinking that the reason i canceled my War sub right after beta ended monday was because after playing Aion i realized how an MMO should be. I would love to stay and be educated some more but i have giant hamsters to kill, they have big teeth.

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 so i've been playing this game since the very closed beta... thought i'd throw in a couple of things. First off, the game is perfect if your a PvP kind of person, the PvP in this game is by far the best i've ever played.  Better then WoW, Aion (played korean CB and OB), its even on a competitive level of battlefield. The PvE is the most laking part because i love instances, but this game just provides you with PQ(Public quests) and not really a "enter the portal and get ur raid on" type of thing. Basically i recommend this game to anyone that LOVES PvP.

P.S - No class is broken, everyone complains that BW(bright wizard) is broken but i can kill one with my Chosen tank by just putting his backlash aura on, he does 300 damage to me, i do 450 to him.....i can kill one in my maurader too by just aoe spamming him, and my bro's witch hunter can backstab a bright wizard to its death in like 5 seconds...... this is at lvl 35+ so this is pretty much end game.

For me, WAR is the lone compromise between me who tired of WoW years ago, and my friends who still kind of like WoW but have an appetite for something new.

The pros and cons are endless and subjective, but quite frankly, its a great MMO to me on that pretense alone if its actually something friends of mine will pay attention to for any length of time without instantly missing WoW.

On a personal level, I think I enjoy the frenetic activity in it more than anything else. You're never more than 10 seconds of holding W from a PQ, you always have the scenario queue accessible, open world RvR is always around the corner, and there's usually one hub of instanced dungeons for your tier/level range. The latter of which is usually the furthest you have to pursue.

It's pretty hard to get bored I've found, but I've only been playing a month, and not in any kind of hardware way. I have a few characters in the 20s, and I've yet to tire of doing a PQ if I'm tired of questing, scenarios if I'm tired of PQs, RvR if I'm tired of scenarios, dungeons if I'm tired of RvR, questing if I'm tired of dungeons.

The only downside is the general attitude of the players. I've found the attitude to be the same as just about every other MMO that isn't WoW; other games are actually competitive and can have an impact on server activity and population. If an entire guild quits in WoW, no biggie. If 20 servers shutdown in WoW tomorrow, no biggie. WoW could feed 50 new MMOs and still have a decent population. Things like the Aion beta coming along though seems to have had a noticeable impact on the attitude/activity of some WAR players.

 What do you enjoy the most in WAR?

Seeing it slowly dying. It's gratifying.