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7/17/09 4:07:52 AM#121
Originally posted by virre
Nice post fanboy! and yes according to the info i've read on the forums you're paying 20$ (or 15$) of beta worth + 75$ game+shipping Anyhow.... did you comprehend the post, read it, analize it? or just felt the sudden urge to burst your fanboy flag.
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7/17/09 4:19:05 AM#122
Originally posted by labg11
You did not really follow this whole issue am i right? People did not pay for Beta...they payed for the preorder. There were Beta testers invited and in the game before preorders even started. One of the biggest german MMO pages poped up a lottery for Beta keys just now...www.onlinewelten.com/win/238-mortal-online-beta-keys/ So you can very much get into it for free...luck is the keyword here as in any other Beta. I also state again that SV asked the community "Do you guys want a boxed/CE Version?" and they happily replied "Yes please." So i do not see the problem. Mind you that one-time production runs for the small amount of 10k copies are quite expensive so i assume the profit margin is pretty slim. Personally i did not preorder so far as i wait until i get my hands on more detailed information. I still do not get all the complaining. You surely posses quite an amount of electronic gadgets/gizmos/clothing/whatever that are "exclusive, super hyped, with super *cough* advantages" like we all do...and all those things are much bigger rip-offs usually with insane profit margins. Maybe start bitching there and also care less for other peoples private money? WHAT? 100 dollars for some pants made in a chinese sweat shop...HOW COULD YOU?! anyways analogies suck but i am sure you get the point... |
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7/17/09 4:32:05 AM#123
Originally posted by Scoorge
Well my friend, still don't see the point of charging for a freaking beta, in whatever shape you want to transform it. And you just made a judgement of character that does not apply to me lol. But anyhow thanks for getting the point of the post. Just don't shield me, yourself or the entire community of the precept that we all are consumists and we have to pay blindfolded for things in game and in real life without knowing the truth behind the goods we've aquired and worst of it that we just have to suck it up.
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7/17/09 4:33:40 AM#124
Originally posted by labg11
Nice post fanboy! and yes according to the info i've read on the forums you're paying 20$ (or 15$) of beta worth + 75$ game+shipping Anyhow.... did you comprehend the post, read it, analize it? or just felt the sudden urge to burst your fanboy flag.
Nice post failboy! Sub Fees are: 14.25€ (Euro) for EU players. 14.25$ (Dollar) for US players (and everybody else who is not an EU citizen). You do NOT pay any fees or get charged while the game is in Beta whatsoever. The price of 75$ for the BOXED version already INCLUDES the shipping fees to ANY location worldwide. There WILL be a DD version which should be slightly cheaper than most MMOs that release with Digital Download. Did you comprehend the post? You did not even bother to take a SINGLE look at the MO store i guess? And no i did not preorder so spare me your "fanboy" rambling..but at least lets rephrase correct information shall we? |
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7/17/09 4:34:55 AM#125
All these companies need to do is realeas a high quality game like EQ or WoW and they can get rich charging $5/month if they wanted to. |
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7/17/09 4:40:47 AM#126
Originally posted by Scoorge
Nice post failboy! Sub Fees are: 14.25€ (Euro) for EU players. 14.25$ (Dollar) for US players (and everybody else who is not an EU citizen). You do NOT pay any fees or get charged while the game is in Beta whatsoever. The price of 75$ for the BOXED version already INCLUDES the shipping fees to ANY location worldwide. There WILL be a DD version which should be slightly cheaper than most MMOs that release with Digital Download. Did you comprehend the post? You did not even bother to take a SINGLE look at the MO store i guess? And no i did not preorder so spare me your "fanboy" rambling..but at least lets rephrase correct information shall we?
*sigh* Just keep beliving that =) Over and out, won't waste more posting space arguing over a lost casue. I just shared my concern, i expected a decent answer like the other guy with some sort of in depth analisis. But heh... you go on and get lost between lines of shipping costs, and the over inflated price for a non-finished product. Wich still is in beta.
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7/17/09 5:23:22 AM#127
Originally posted by labg11
Nice post failboy! Sub Fees are: 14.25€ (Euro) for EU players. 14.25$ (Dollar) for US players (and everybody else who is not an EU citizen). You do NOT pay any fees or get charged while the game is in Beta whatsoever. The price of 75$ for the BOXED version already INCLUDES the shipping fees to ANY location worldwide. There WILL be a DD version which should be slightly cheaper than most MMOs that release with Digital Download. Did you comprehend the post? You did not even bother to take a SINGLE look at the MO store i guess? And no i did not preorder so spare me your "fanboy" rambling..but at least lets rephrase correct information shall we?
*sigh* Just keep beliving that =) Over and out, won't waste more posting space arguing over a lost casue. I just shared my concern, i expected a decent answer like the other guy with some sort of in depth analisis. But heh... you go on and get lost between lines of shipping costs, and the over inflated price for a non-finished product. Wich still is in beta.
I "believe" in nothing i just quote the information as it is now from the official source for you. No point in having a debate about wrong information. I guess that is important to everybody here. And yes your concern is valid as it is a beta product but the choice is yours to make as it is with any other product you do not trust. People tend to have pretty crazy priorities and views when it comes to matters of entertainment. Again there is no point in having a debate about personal choices. What kind of "in-depth analysis" do you expect...do the homework yourself? Maybe try to read? Judging from your elitist behavior (no offense) there is no point in going into one anyways because so far you just slapped of every argument as "fanboyish" or a matter of "believe". And pulling back from arguing just because you have no arguments left under the cloak of "i know better anyways you idiot" is pretty weak for someone who asks for an "in-depth analysis". You just hide behind your monitor having a good laugh while trolling don`t you? |
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LiquidWolf
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7/17/09 9:02:25 AM#128
Originally posted by labg11
Nice post failboy! Sub Fees are: 14.25€ (Euro) for EU players. 14.25$ (Dollar) for US players (and everybody else who is not an EU citizen). You do NOT pay any fees or get charged while the game is in Beta whatsoever. The price of 75$ for the BOXED version already INCLUDES the shipping fees to ANY location worldwide. There WILL be a DD version which should be slightly cheaper than most MMOs that release with Digital Download. Did you comprehend the post? You did not even bother to take a SINGLE look at the MO store i guess? And no i did not preorder so spare me your "fanboy" rambling..but at least lets rephrase correct information shall we?
*sigh* Just keep beliving that =) Over and out, won't waste more posting space arguing over a lost casue. I just shared my concern, i expected a decent answer like the other guy with some sort of in depth analisis. But heh... you go on and get lost between lines of shipping costs, and the over inflated price for a non-finished product. Wich still is in beta. I've never seen an MMO that was considered "finished". They typically keep changing and adding to it throughout it's lifetime. Sometimes making changes so huge, it completely wipes out work the company did before launch. The fan-base wanted a box and CE edition, so when SV made them available, they passed the cost of production directly to the consumer. Please remember that the boxed versions include shipping (€7 worldwide) and for all Europeans you must pay 25% VAT. The box is a huge cost for us as we are forced to put that cost on the customer, meaning we do not earn anything more over the normal rate. We did this because there was a demand from the community and we listened. EU laws force us to add 25% VAT on all European costumers, unfortunately this must be put on the customers payment which indeed make the game a bit pricy for all Europeans. This is your choice to buy the boxed version or not. We did it because the community wanted one and we do agree it get a bit expensive, unfortunately we cannot sell these boxes with a loss. http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/16381-mortal-online-shop-information.html The monthly subscription cost of Mortal Online will be €14.25 for Europeans and $14.25 for everybody else. This cost is subject to change. The monthly subscription cost includes all future updates and expansions for Mortal Online. No additional costs will be charged for future expansions. The Beta server is located in Stockholm, Sweden. It's fully possible to access the server from all countries; however we obviously can't guarantee the speed and performance over long distances. Earlier Beta-testing has shown good, playable ping from the U.S. for instance, but please remember that the speed of your local network provider in U.S. is an important factor as well. Additional game servers, including servers in other countries, are considered for the near future. There will be no extra costs involved in starting a character on one of those servers if and when they are up. However, character transfers will not be possible, at least not to begin with, not even between servers in the same country. https://account.mortalonline.com/index.php After logging in with your account. |
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Horkathane
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7/17/09 10:56:23 AM#129
Originally posted by bingo69 Dont give me the small company bid. ID software was a very small company and release a game breaking revolutionary product for free via shareware. Anyone remember shareware? Now if you give people like the first few levels and then if they want more pay and sign up well then my friend that means you really believe in your product. This is sounds Sneaky like its not finished. |
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7/17/09 11:22:01 AM#130
Originally posted by Horkathane Dont give me the small company bid. ID software was a very small company and release a game breaking revolutionary product for free via shareware. Anyone remember shareware? Now if you give people like the first few levels and then if they want more pay and sign up well then my friend that means you really believe in your product. This is sounds Sneaky like its not finished. /Agree “There are dread secrets that none may know and have peace. More, secrets that render whosoever knoweth them an alien unto the tribe he belongs to, that cause him to walk alone on earth, for he who takes, pays.” -E. Hoffmann Price |
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7/17/09 2:51:08 PM#131
Originally posted by Vyeth /Agree Id software released a game that was less than 1.44MB big as shareware. It was a single player game, no server overhead, no engine licensing fees and this was more than a decade ago, things have changed, horrible analogy. |
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7/17/09 3:04:15 PM#132
Originally posted by kanzi /Agree Id software released a game that was less than 1.44MB big as shareware. It was a single player game, no server overhead, no engine licensing fees and this was more than a decade ago, things have changed, horrible analogy.
analogy, fecalogy... Bottom line is that they are charging people full price to help test and fix their game which is luda.. There are plenty of volunteers that would donate their time and effort to finding bugs and etc.. But asking people to PAY to do that is absurd..
Edit: Would you ask a volunteer fire fighter to pay you 75 bucks before putting out a fire in your house? Its his job and he wants to help you, but you charge him anyway? “There are dread secrets that none may know and have peace. More, secrets that render whosoever knoweth them an alien unto the tribe he belongs to, that cause him to walk alone on earth, for he who takes, pays.” -E. Hoffmann Price |
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7/17/09 3:13:14 PM#133
Originally posted by Vyeth Id software released a game that was less than 1.44MB big as shareware. It was a single player game, no server overhead, no engine licensing fees and this was more than a decade ago, things have changed, horrible analogy.
analogy, fecalogy... Bottom line is that they are charging people full price to help test and fix their game which is luda.. There are plenty of volunteers that would donate their time and effort to finding bugs and etc.. But asking people to PAY to do that is absurd..
Edit: Would you ask a volunteer fire fighter to pay you 75 bucks before putting out a fire in your house? Its his job and he wants to help you, but you charge him anyway? You pay for the house without fire damage. Like you pay for the 'completish' game at LAUNCH by pre ordering now. Playing the beta when the game is in an unfinsihed state is just a bonus. In your analogy that would come down to getting to ride along on the fire truck and having the opportunity to do some fire extinguishing yourself! Wooweewhawha! |
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7/17/09 4:36:31 PM#134
Ok here's a couple of things to ponder. SV is an indie company that has a niche market and therefore don't have a sweatshop in China somwhere who will box and ship their games at a huge discount, i.e. EA, Blizz. The boxes are all Metal Embossed boxes and hince even the reg. version would be considered an LE for most games.
Lets look at how much more you are really paying for a boxed version compared to an xbox360 game at a store.
All i am saying is it's not really that expensive when you look at the details. Either you think it's worth it to buy and get into beta or you don't and you get the DD which is going to be cheaper than DF.
This thread cracks me up, mostly since the title is way off, only thing he got right was 75$ for normal boxed. It's 98$ for LE retard and 14.25$ a month and it's called loot bag version.
Either way, buy it or don't, that's your decision but i'll be in game on Mon. enjoying myself. I mean seriously complaining about the price, i spend that much on pointless shit like drinking and dinner all the fucking time. At least after purchasing this i won't have a massive hangover the next morning.
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Originally posted by hail2dathief
This is NOT a Xbox 360 game... computer games are ALWAYS $10 cheaper than the xbox 360...
PC = $49.99 Xbox 360 = $59.99
Don't try and compare the two as computer games in general are easier to distribute because they are not on encoded dvds / blu-ray like consoles... it cost them more money to make the disk...  |
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7/18/09 4:50:12 AM#136
Originally posted by rlmccoy1987
This is NOT a Xbox 360 game... computer games are ALWAYS $10 cheaper than the xbox 360...
PC = $49.99 Xbox 360 = $59.99
Don't try and compare the two as computer games in general are easier to distribute because they are not on encoded dvds / blu-ray like consoles... it cost them more money to make the disk...
Care to elaborate why does it cost more to make a DVD/Blue-ray for consoles rather than for the PC, as a game developer I am actually quite intrigued? The only valid point would be the PSP since Sony does not authorize anyone except them to create the MDs and theya re quite expensive but we are not talking about PSP so please care to elaborate.
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Originally posted by rav3n2
Care to elaborate why does it cost more to make a DVD/Blue-ray for consoles rather than for the PC, as a game developer I am actually quite intrigued? The only valid point would be the PSP since Sony does not authorize anyone except them to create the MDs and theya re quite expensive but we are not talking about PSP so please care to elaborate.
Normal PC games come on regular dvds. Console games come on different types, encoded for their purposes. A Xbox 360 dvd disk cost more than a regular disk...
All I am saying is, you can't compare PC game prices with console prices as the dvd used to burn the image to the disk cost more money... So people can't say that $75 for MO is just like buying a console game thats around $60....
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7/18/09 5:02:12 AM#138
Originally posted by rlmccoy1987
Care to elaborate why does it cost more to make a DVD/Blue-ray for consoles rather than for the PC, as a game developer I am actually quite intrigued? The only valid point would be the PSP since Sony does not authorize anyone except them to create the MDs and theya re quite expensive but we are not talking about PSP so please care to elaborate.
Normal PC games come on regular dvds. Console games come on different types, encoded for their purposes. A Xbox 360 dvd disk cost more than a regular disk...
All I am saying is, you can't compare PC game prices with console prices as the dvd used to burn the image to the disk cost more money... So people can't say that $75 for MO is just like buying a console game thats around $60....
So your saying for them to run the same encryption program on the software to burn and then just make 1million copies of it like you would on a normal DVD makes it alot more expensive? Or are you saying that the disk itself is actually different that Microsoft invented a new type of DVD (couldnt be called dvd since there is a patent on this) ? Xbox 360 games use a XDVDFS image and are encrypted but the DVD is no different than your regular DVD the difference is they will burn it with an encrypted image which can only be read with the samsung 616T/F firmware, it does not cost them a penny more to produce a million xbox dvd's besides just being plain greedy and asking for more money.
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Originally posted by rav3n2
Normal PC games come on regular dvds. Console games come on different types, encoded for their purposes. A Xbox 360 dvd disk cost more than a regular disk...
All I am saying is, you can't compare PC game prices with console prices as the dvd used to burn the image to the disk cost more money... So people can't say that $75 for MO is just like buying a console game thats around $60....
So your saying for them to run the same encryption program on the software to burn and then just make 1million copies of it like you would on a normal DVD makes it alot more expensive? Or are you saying that the disk itself is actually different that Microsoft invented a new type of DVD (couldnt be called dvd since there is a patent on this) ?
The dvd the xbox 360 uses is a dual-layer dvd (used with xbox 360 so it can read to play the games) The ps3 uses blu-ray
I am talking about the dvd itself, not the encryption software it uses.
Normal DVDs are cheaper than the dual-layer and the blu-ray, making the game a cheaper price. |
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7/18/09 5:43:57 AM#140
Originally posted by rlmccoy1987
Normal PC games come on regular dvds. Console games come on different types, encoded for their purposes. A Xbox 360 dvd disk cost more than a regular disk...
All I am saying is, you can't compare PC game prices with console prices as the dvd used to burn the image to the disk cost more money... So people can't say that $75 for MO is just like buying a console game thats around $60....
So your saying for them to run the same encryption program on the software to burn and then just make 1million copies of it like you would on a normal DVD makes it alot more expensive? Or are you saying that the disk itself is actually different that Microsoft invented a new type of DVD (couldnt be called dvd since there is a patent on this) ?
The dvd the xbox 360 uses is a dual-layer dvd (used with xbox 360 so it can read to play the games) The ps3 uses blu-ray
I am talking about the dvd itself, not the encryption software it uses.
Normal DVDs are cheaper than the dual-layer and the blu-ray, making the game a cheaper price.
lol do you actually know that mega-corps like Sony and Microsoft have their own DVD duplication factories? Hell Sony even produces blank DVDs themselves! They literally poop out copies and i am pretty sure it costs them almost nothing in comparison to a single 10k duplication run. Yet their Games are still more expensive?! Hmmmm...your logic intrigues me. Maybe THEY ARE in fact overpriced! And WTF has the content of the disc (encryption?) to do with the actual disc price?? It does not matter if you slap a movie or a game on a DVD it is both Data and the disc will always be at the same price no matter what.. Storage Size is the only factor here. L2DVDMaster.
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