Well up to this point DFO was worth defending and I did get my monies worth out of it. With the new turn of events though I simply can't defend Aventurine any longer and I finaly agree with many of the haters. While they were wrong in the begining AV deemed it was time to prove them right. With holding information such as there being a possibility that NA players may have to pay for a second client to play on the NA servers, Editing old official announcements and posts (such as the one stating players will be allowed per account 1 char per server. That would be 2 chars per account now with the second server up), stating that a seperate company is publishing in NA yet paypal and other methods of payment say the payment was made to Aventurine.

Paying for the same client twice is absurd in itself, being lied to about why I have to pay for a second account is even worse. Not informing NA players before hand that there was a possibility they may need to buy the NA client even if they have already purchased the EU client no matter how remote the possibility was is also something that just screams scam. Considering the client is being digitally distributed and there the ones recieving the money still I can not see any way for them to justify this second charge.

So in the end, it was a good fight but you win. I admit now that DarkFall Online is a scam.

This is comming from someone that has deffended the game vigillantly for a long time on these very boards. Good job Aventurine I wish you well in the future but as for me I'm washing my hands of you.

You may want to change your sig.

Originally posted by Nicksd

You may want to change your sig.

Thanks for that lol, been there so long I forgot it was there. Deffinetly time to remove it.

You're Welcome.

People are still just guessing about this NA publisher deal and what not as we have no actual facts yet, just what paypal reports the payment is going to. Whats to say that Aventurine still get the payments to them solely for simplicity sake? If its the truth then it really does suck for you guys, and the fact that they have lied. But for me it's my first time playing so i'm happy to get a new server launch and have the prices in dollars as converting the Euros to Pounds makes DF a very expensive mmo, along with the upcoming Mortal Online - damn Euro prices.

GL, but what they did doesn't make it a scam. The only thing that changed was the 1 character per server. Everything else: transfer fee, having to wait 3 months for transfers, etc was never promised. Also, the allowance they were talking about was just talking about transfer option. GL all the same, sorry you feel scamed, but you and everyone else does not have to buy a second account.

I beleive they actually stated the sole reason for payment of said client for the NA server was due to a different company publishing the game for NA customers. If this is so, and I think i am right on this one, then they have done something wrong. There is no reason if they are self publishing to recharge customers for another client when the same hosting company is hosting the servers. They should instead have a small surcharge fee to transfer characters to the other data server, but not a full client surcharge. Aventurine ahs some odd ways of doing business. IMO, they would not get my money. Just to many head shakes to really make me want to hand over some cash.

I'm not gonna go apeshit and call AV a scam when I like this game so much. That is because I am going to patiently wait for transfers and develop my character even more while on EU-1

Originally posted by kikinchaz

Whats to say that Aventurine still get the payments to them solely for simplicity sake?

Yeah, that is so much simpler than having the people who runs the server getting the money.

There is no way that is easier for anyone, a publisher who doesn't even have an account to pay to, are we talking a guy having the server in his celler?

No, the most likely explanation (Occams razor) is that they had a publisher but when they saw that DF only have 5-14K players depending on who you ask they got cold feet and cancelled.

Why Tasos havn't admited this however is a mystery, Avi really needs to get a marketting guy or at least someone who knows how to inform players on what is happening. Not informing the players is never a good idea, that is what almost killed SWG.

If, which seems very likely, Avi is running both servers now, then the only explanition that they wants player to pay twice for the same client is that they must have money now. And actually that is the same explanation to why you cant move your character also.

Originally posted by xpiher

GL, but what they did doesn't make it a scam. The only thing that changed was the 1 character per server. Everything else: transfer fee, having to wait 3 months for transfers, etc was never promised. Also, the allowance they were talking about was just talking about transfer option. GL all the same, sorry you feel scamed, but you and everyone else does not have to buy a second account.

Sorry, this can't be spun. I don't feel scammed I WAS scammed. I paid for the account and client after being told the following.

NA residents are welcome to participate in the EU launch. Upon NA launch you may transfer your char from EU to NA. You will be allowed 1 char per server.

Now that they have my money for the first client, in order to have the char on the NA server I will need to purchase a new client and now accounts are only allowed 1 char per account. So I did not get what I paid for. That is fraudulent and in a situation like this since that was changed I should at least have the right to pick the 1 server I want my char to be on considering I paid for 1 per server originally.

You can't spin an blatant lie into a misunderstanding Xpiher. I did not recieve what I was told I was purchasing, in order to get what I was told I was purchasing to begin with I must pay double.

Saying you get 2 Firebirds for 2,000$ and only recieving 1 after paying that money is a scam. Saying you get 2 cheesburgers for 2 Dollars and only recieving one is a scam. Saying you get 1 char per server for 55$ initial payment and 15$ a month there after and only recieving 1 is a scam when your told in order to play on the server in the region you're from you must pay an additional 50$.

The 1 char per account sucks but is fine as long as I get to pick the server I wish for my 1 char to reside on since I have paid my money with the understanding that I can have a char on each server. Otherwise it IS a scam.

You could buy both the Darkfall Euro and NA client for the same price as the Mortal Online Full Loot Bag.

Rather have 1 MO than 2 DFO though

Originally posted by xpiher

GL, but what they did doesn't make it a scam. The only thing that changed was the 1 character per server. Everything else: transfer fee, having to wait 3 months for transfers, etc was never promised. Also, the allowance they were talking about was just talking about transfer option. GL all the same, sorry you feel scamed, but you and everyone else does not have to buy a second account.

You don't understand that Aventurine tried to pull a scam. Stating theyhad no choice into charging people for the NA account, it was a different publisher.

Come to find out, the reason the didn't announce it, is that it the same. Thus they lied and the ONLY reason Tasos changed the FAQ to read 1 character per account, was just for added money.

It's soo blatantly obvious, it's absurd why you can't see this Xpiher .....

I've been hearing from a few people that the pings are nearly identical from CA to the NA-1 and EU-1 servers.  It appears not only is Averturine collecting your money again for an additional copy of the game, but the NA-1 server is sitting next to the EU-1 server.  Definately a sad day for DFO gamers from NA.

Originally posted by Shannia

I've been hearing from a few people that the pings are nearly identical from CA to the NA-1 and EU-1 servers.  It appears not only is Averturine collecting your money again for an additional copy of the game, but the NA-1 server is sitting next to the EU-1 server.  Definately a sad day for DFO gamers from NA.

 

WHAT.....?

Originally posted by Shannia

I've been hearing from a few people that the pings are nearly identical from CA to the NA-1 and EU-1 servers.  It appears not only is Averturine collecting your money again for an additional copy of the game, but the NA-1 server is sitting next to the EU-1 server.  Definately a sad day for DFO gamers from NA.

 

I would imagine there is some truth to nearly identical pings, depending on geographical location.

Personally, the NA server chopped about 100 off my EU ping.

Originally posted by Shannia

I've been hearing from a few people that the pings are nearly identical from CA to the NA-1 and EU-1 servers.  It appears not only is Averturine collecting your money again for an additional copy of the game, but the NA-1 server is sitting next to the EU-1 server.  Definately a sad day for DFO gamers from NA.

I doubt that unless Tasos planning to run to south america the next few days with all remaining cash.

If your friends tried to ping the servers by their IPs instead they should notice the difference.

I doubt it will costs so much more to hire themselves in on a NA server in a serverpark somewhere then to build a new one at home.

I still don't think they have a publisher in NA any longer however.

GNa or GNu or GNi, whatever they are called, which is the hosting company has NA servers located in the NA. Wether they tend to use them for this game is another decision.

Originally posted by Shannia

I've been hearing from a few people that the pings are nearly identical from CA to the NA-1 and EU-1 servers.  It appears not only is Averturine collecting your money again for an additional copy of the game, but the NA-1 server is sitting next to the EU-1 server.  Definately a sad day for DFO gamers from NA.

 

I wouldnt doubt it... Seems right in line with AVs tactics.

I dont think this was targeted just for the NA players.. from what I have been told the majority of DF players are from NA so splitting the playerbase would make those from EU who want to continue playing with a larger community would be forced to buy the game again or pay the transfer fee.. A double whammy.

Hopefully people are smart enough to see through this mess.

Originally posted by xpiher

GL, but what they did doesn't make it a scam. The only thing that changed was the 1 character per server. Everything else: transfer fee, having to wait 3 months for transfers, etc was never promised. Also, the allowance they were talking about was just talking about transfer option. GL all the same, sorry you feel scamed, but you and everyone else does not have to buy a second account.

WOW your blind to truth.

I decided NOT to buy Darkfall a second time, its over priced, under developed, and the ping was total crap.

Also, I was able to download a 50MB file pack and move ALL the Darkfall EU data and have a Darkfall US client.....so how does that cost AV $43+tax for ME to update MY files that they don't pay for a second time. hmmm....I have an account, check, I have both clients for eitehr server, check, now they want me to spend another time on client and account to play witht he same game, same account, same client, same files? All I am trying to say here is that I don't need to pay them again and I already have updated my game.

Originally posted by Phelcher

Originally posted by Shannia

I've been hearing from a few people that the pings are nearly identical from CA to the NA-1 and EU-1 servers.  It appears not only is Averturine collecting your money again for an additional copy of the game, but the NA-1 server is sitting next to the EU-1 server.  Definately a sad day for DFO gamers from NA.

 

 

WHAT.....?

 

 

Can we get a trace route to both servers and post it here please. This will show us if the server is in the U.S. or not.The command for windows is

Windows Vista: From the Start menu, in the search field, type cmd , and then press Enter.

Previous versions: From the Start menu, select Run... . In the "Open:" box, type cmd (Windows NT, 2000, and XP) or command (Windows 95, 98, and Me), and then press Enter.

At the command prompt, enter tracert [server IP]