Originally posted by templarga

Um, yeah and just like an Alliance Shaman can only be Dranei. However, this was added with BC to help Blizzard balance the sides as it was too time consuming and make raids and encounters equally difficult for Horde and Alliance when, at launch, the classes were not equal per side.

So you comparison fails as this was an added game decisions at a later date and was, in the original game design, never intended.

I rather deal with that than " Oh look, I just got level 10 and chose the Gladiator class and it sucks. Oh well, guess I will have to create an alt, do everything, exactly the same, all the same quests, everything AGAIN just because I don't like my class".

Do you think complaining or being annoying is going to accomplish anything? You're not even "discussing" anything you're just saying it's limited and there will never be a mircale patch... making foolish statments that getting to level 10 and having to start over. Do you think you can get a good grasp on classes in WoW untill at least level 10? No.

Trying to discredit anyone who is excited for this game? Lame.
 

Originally posted by Spaceweed10

Originally posted by markoraos

Originally posted by Averno

Its a Korean MMO

what is wrong with korea?

Its published by NCSoft

what is wrong with NCSoft ffs?

It doesnt look visually attractive

to many people it does

It doesnt appear to bring anything new

yes it does, read up a bit

Its clearly not new itself (being v1.5)

what? that means that it is a polished game and not some half-assed beta in disguise

So what am I missing? Is it just that since around 2004 all of the recent MMO's have been crap and thus anything that doesnt look 3/10 suddenly jumps into everyones MMO GOTY list?

you might be missing a lot, or maybe not

I dont get it, I think everyones being blinded by hope and marketing hype and neglecting to see this game for what it really is.. A ho-hum, run of the mill lineage2 clone.

looks cool to me, not leaving my old mmo for it but i got my pre-order CE already :)

 

 

It is a slightly better visually than WoW.

It brings nothing new - apart from wings.

The beta I played last weekend was absolutely awful - but it's 'beta', right?

OP is missing nothing from I saw.

I've have pre-ordered too - seems no worse than all the other crap on the market at the moment.

actually you're correct what you played is the beta, there is about 5? patches after the version you played
 

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by templarga

Aion makes you choose your side at character creation and after that, you make a class choice at 10 and that is really it.

 

Did i miss something or did wow also have 2 factions?

been a while but im sure i had to choose between Horde or alliance

WOW, way to take one comment out of context. Sure, WOW has two factions and you choose a class. But after that you can do what you want. You can even take a race/character of your choice and run them to another starting area if you want.

Once you get to level 10 or so, you can then go and choose between 2-3 zones to level from 10-20. And the same for level 20-30 and so on and so forth.

My point is that after you choose your side and your class, your choices in Aion (including to PVP or not) are fairly, if not, totally limited.

Want to roll Horde paly, ah shit Belf no other choice.

Um, yeah and just like an Alliance Shaman can only be Dranei. However, this was added with BC to help Blizzard balance the sides as it was too time consuming and make raids and encounters equally difficult for Horde and Alliance when, at launch, the classes were not equal per side.

So you comparison fails as this was an added game decisions at a later date and was, in the original game design, never intended.

I rather deal with that than " Oh look, I just got level 10 and chose the Gladiator class and it sucks. Oh well, guess I will have to create an alt, do everything, exactly the same, all the same quests, everything AGAIN just because I don't like my class".

just because its added i cant compair? you all compair WoW inc Wotlk with Aion so why shudnt i?

and in WoW of course, you know before hand that the class you roll is gonna be awsome.

Those you have to play till atleast 20 to get the idea aswell

Originally posted by natuxatu

Originally posted by templarga

Um, yeah and just like an Alliance Shaman can only be Dranei. However, this was added with BC to help Blizzard balance the sides as it was too time consuming and make raids and encounters equally difficult for Horde and Alliance when, at launch, the classes were not equal per side.

So you comparison fails as this was an added game decisions at a later date and was, in the original game design, never intended.

I rather deal with that than " Oh look, I just got level 10 and chose the Gladiator class and it sucks. Oh well, guess I will have to create an alt, do everything, exactly the same, all the same quests, everything AGAIN just because I don't like my class".

 

Do you think complaining or being annoying is going to accomplish anything? You're not even "discussing" anything you're just saying it's limited and there will never be a mircale patch... making foolish statments that getting to level 10 and having to start over. Do you think you can get a good grasp on classes in WoW untill at least level 10? No.

Trying to discredit anyone who is excited for this game? Lame.
 

Thanks for the insults. The issue was raised that Aion would appeal to the common, everyday WOW player. I am arguing that it isn't and that is the point of a forum, debate and discussion.

I am SO sorry, I was not aware that this was a "DO NOT CRITICIZE AION" zone.

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by natuxatu

Originally posted by templarga

Um, yeah and just like an Alliance Shaman can only be Dranei. However, this was added with BC to help Blizzard balance the sides as it was too time consuming and make raids and encounters equally difficult for Horde and Alliance when, at launch, the classes were not equal per side.

So you comparison fails as this was an added game decisions at a later date and was, in the original game design, never intended.

I rather deal with that than " Oh look, I just got level 10 and chose the Gladiator class and it sucks. Oh well, guess I will have to create an alt, do everything, exactly the same, all the same quests, everything AGAIN just because I don't like my class".

 

Do you think complaining or being annoying is going to accomplish anything? You're not even "discussing" anything you're just saying it's limited and there will never be a mircale patch... making foolish statments that getting to level 10 and having to start over. Do you think you can get a good grasp on classes in WoW untill at least level 10? No.

Trying to discredit anyone who is excited for this game? Lame.
 

Thanks for the insults. The issue was raised that Aion would appeal to the common, everyday WOW player. I am arguing that it isn't and that is the point of a forum, debate and discussion.

I am SO sorry, I was not aware that this was a "DO NOT CRITICIZE AION" zone.

 

yeah i don't believe it will appeal to the everyday wow player, but the ones that are looking for a change and just all around bored with wow will. wow killer its not, i don't want wow to die not sure why people do. one of the main beefs people have with wow is the community and why would you want them to leave a game you don't play?

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by natuxatu

Originally posted by templarga

Um, yeah and just like an Alliance Shaman can only be Dranei. However, this was added with BC to help Blizzard balance the sides as it was too time consuming and make raids and encounters equally difficult for Horde and Alliance when, at launch, the classes were not equal per side.

So you comparison fails as this was an added game decisions at a later date and was, in the original game design, never intended.

I rather deal with that than " Oh look, I just got level 10 and chose the Gladiator class and it sucks. Oh well, guess I will have to create an alt, do everything, exactly the same, all the same quests, everything AGAIN just because I don't like my class".

 

Do you think complaining or being annoying is going to accomplish anything? You're not even "discussing" anything you're just saying it's limited and there will never be a mircale patch... making foolish statments that getting to level 10 and having to start over. Do you think you can get a good grasp on classes in WoW untill at least level 10? No.

Trying to discredit anyone who is excited for this game? Lame.
 

I am SO sorry, I was not aware that this was a "DO NOT CRITICIZE AION" zone.

 

Forums would become very boring if it is.

I have a friend in real life that has the same problem as the OP. She just cant use phrases like "In my opinion" or "I think that". Its always statements like "That is stupid" or "This is gay" (lol, with my bi girlfriend sitting right there). I've pretty much just stopped talking to her because I dont feel like agruing with a so called "friend" every time we hang out.

I agree with everyone who thinks this kind of behavior is annoying as hell. NCSoft is one of my longtime favorite publishers. I enjoyed the hell outta Lineage II. Aion looks good, I think it will appeal to alot of people. I probably wont play it full time but its a loooooong way from a bad game.

Originally posted by neKrow

I have a friend in real life that has the same problem as the OP. She just cant use phrases like "In my opinion" or "I think that". Its always statements like "That is stupid" or "This is gay" (lol, with my bi girlfriend sitting right there). I've pretty much just stopped talking to her because I dont feel like agruing with a so called "friend" every time we hang out.

I agree with everyone who thinks this kind of behavior is annoying as hell. NCSoft is one of my longtime favorite publishers. I enjoyed the hell outta Lineage II. Aion looks good, I think it will appeal to alot of people. I probably wont play it full time but its a loooooong way from a bad game.

I agree totally with you.

Look, I am not saying Aion sucks. It is a great game in its on right and it will appeal to a lot of players. It will appeal more to Age of Conan players and WAR players than it will WOW players. If I am Funcom and Mythic, I am scared to death about Aion.

Aion has its awesome points and there are two major issues keeping me from the game. However, it is FAR from being a bad game.

So many people want to reduce any new game to the classic fanboi/troll argument. The problem is the truth is always in the middle. Fanbois refuse to acknowledge issues with the game. In Aion's case, I think the fact you have to wait until level 20-25 to PVP is a major issue. Trolls need to realize that the game is PVP based and the graphics automatically do not make it a bad game if you do not like them.

The truth is always somewhere in the middle. I have my reasons for not liking the game and they are MY reasons. Other have their reasons for liking the game. And what frustrates me is that the game is not horrible and its not perfect, it is a well made, well-done game that offers a lot but has some design issues that I THINK need to be addressed and will keep it from being great in the long term.

Originally posted by templarga

The issue was raised that Aion would appeal to the common, everyday WOW player. I am arguing that it isn't and that is the point of a forum, debate and discussion.

Agree completely.

It won't appeal to the average WoW kid/housewife because it's kinda hard to get good gear (and freakin next to impossible to get the best). Also there's a Death penalty that is significant and hurts a bit. Those are too much of a pain for the average WoW player. A friend (plays WoW and knows squat about any other MMO, like most WoW players) nearly had a heart attack when I was telling him about Eve and how you lost your ship forever once it was destroyed.

WoW has an insane amount of players, however everywhere you go the zones are empty. Why? All the high levels are crammed inside the city queueing arenas, bgs or waiting for some raid. The majority of WoW players like and enjoy that (obviously), so seeing as it isn't so in Aion, it doesn't appeal that much. It's relatively painless, and Blizzard still makes it easier and easier by the week so that every 8 year-old and above enjoys his full tiered gear and his awesomeness and uber skillz.

Of course you need to add to that the art style, the lack of starting areas, the similarity with WoW during the early levels (extremely boring as well) etc. So yea, it won't appeal to the common WoW player, and am I thankful for that!

Originally posted by Averno

Its a Korean MMO

Its published by NCSoft

It doesnt look visually attractive

It doesnt appear to bring anything new

Its clearly not new itself (being v1.5)

So what am I missing? Is it just that since around 2004 all of the recent MMO's have been crap and thus anything that doesnt look 3/10 suddenly jumps into everyones MMO GOTY list?

I dont get it, I think everyones being blinded by hope and marketing hype and neglecting to see this game for what it really is.. A ho-hum, run of the mill lineage2 clone.

Let's wait till we see some subscriber numbers ;)

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by natuxatu

Originally posted by templarga

Um, yeah and just like an Alliance Shaman can only be Dranei. However, this was added with BC to help Blizzard balance the sides as it was too time consuming and make raids and encounters equally difficult for Horde and Alliance when, at launch, the classes were not equal per side.

So you comparison fails as this was an added game decisions at a later date and was, in the original game design, never intended.

I rather deal with that than " Oh look, I just got level 10 and chose the Gladiator class and it sucks. Oh well, guess I will have to create an alt, do everything, exactly the same, all the same quests, everything AGAIN just because I don't like my class".

 

Do you think complaining or being annoying is going to accomplish anything? You're not even "discussing" anything you're just saying it's limited and there will never be a mircale patch... making foolish statments that getting to level 10 and having to start over. Do you think you can get a good grasp on classes in WoW untill at least level 10? No.

Trying to discredit anyone who is excited for this game? Lame.
 

I am SO sorry, I was not aware that this was a "DO NOT CRITICIZE AION" zone.

 

Forums would become very boring if it is.

Yes your correct.I remember the AOC hype and the let down as well. I didnt get involved in it as i hadnt experienced anything in the game. Ive played in Aion beta, ive seen things as they are not as what i would like them to be. Just say the game is great and watch the "i agree " posts come running. Mention something not appealing about the game and get flamed. Ive been on both ends of it. I mentioned i thought the graphics were beautiful and i was a god until i mentioned it was linear and forced PVP wasnt going to be a big plus for the game and then  im a troll. Oh well, i was a god for a short while anyway.

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by natuxatu

Originally posted by templarga

Um, yeah and just like an Alliance Shaman can only be Dranei. However, this was added with BC to help Blizzard balance the sides as it was too time consuming and make raids and encounters equally difficult for Horde and Alliance when, at launch, the classes were not equal per side.

So you comparison fails as this was an added game decisions at a later date and was, in the original game design, never intended.

I rather deal with that than " Oh look, I just got level 10 and chose the Gladiator class and it sucks. Oh well, guess I will have to create an alt, do everything, exactly the same, all the same quests, everything AGAIN just because I don't like my class".

 

Do you think complaining or being annoying is going to accomplish anything? You're not even "discussing" anything you're just saying it's limited and there will never be a mircale patch... making foolish statments that getting to level 10 and having to start over. Do you think you can get a good grasp on classes in WoW untill at least level 10? No.

Trying to discredit anyone who is excited for this game? Lame.
 

I am SO sorry, I was not aware that this was a "DO NOT CRITICIZE AION" zone.

 

Forums would become very boring if it is.

Yes your correct.I remember the AOC hype and the let down as well. I didnt get involved in it as i hadnt experienced anything in the game. Ive played in Aion beta, ive seen things as they are not as what i would like them to be. Just say the game is great and watch the "i agree " posts come running. Mention something not appealing about the game and get flamed. Ive been on both ends of it. I mentioned i thought the graphics were beautiful and i was a god until i mentioned it was linear and forced PVP wasnt going to be a big plus for the game and then  im a troll. Oh well, i was a god for a short while anyway.

It works the same way on both sides.  I have been accused of being both a troll and a fanboy for Aion.  Fact of the matter is, I like the game, I don't like the company, and the followers are sounding more and more like Barrens chat participants as time goes on.

Oh well, just goes to show that most people are sheep . . . not being able to make up their own mind without the acknowledgment of a leader.

Originally posted by Locklain

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by natuxatu

Originally posted by templarga

Um, yeah and just like an Alliance Shaman can only be Dranei. However, this was added with BC to help Blizzard balance the sides as it was too time consuming and make raids and encounters equally difficult for Horde and Alliance when, at launch, the classes were not equal per side.

So you comparison fails as this was an added game decisions at a later date and was, in the original game design, never intended.

I rather deal with that than " Oh look, I just got level 10 and chose the Gladiator class and it sucks. Oh well, guess I will have to create an alt, do everything, exactly the same, all the same quests, everything AGAIN just because I don't like my class".

 

Do you think complaining or being annoying is going to accomplish anything? You're not even "discussing" anything you're just saying it's limited and there will never be a mircale patch... making foolish statments that getting to level 10 and having to start over. Do you think you can get a good grasp on classes in WoW untill at least level 10? No.

Trying to discredit anyone who is excited for this game? Lame.
 

I am SO sorry, I was not aware that this was a "DO NOT CRITICIZE AION" zone.

 

Forums would become very boring if it is.

Yes your correct.I remember the AOC hype and the let down as well. I didnt get involved in it as i hadnt experienced anything in the game. Ive played in Aion beta, ive seen things as they are not as what i would like them to be. Just say the game is great and watch the "i agree " posts come running. Mention something not appealing about the game and get flamed. Ive been on both ends of it. I mentioned i thought the graphics were beautiful and i was a god until i mentioned it was linear and forced PVP wasnt going to be a big plus for the game and then  im a troll. Oh well, i was a god for a short while anyway.

It works the same way on both sides.  I have been accused of being both a troll and a fanboy for Aion.  Fact of the matter is, I like the game, I don't like the company, and the followers are sounding more and more like Barrens chat participants as time goes on.

Oh well, just goes to show that most people are sheep . . . not being able to make up their own mind without the acknowledgment of a leader.

Yes if someone judged the Aion community by this site and Aionsource they would stay far away from this game. Im sure there are mature friendly people that are looking forward to the game and its pretty much understood by everyone that the flame throwing morons talk more than most and the loudest. Im still not sold on the game myself but will continue along in the beta's for awhile longer to see how it all shakes out.

To the last two posters:

The number 1 reason I am not trying Aion at launch is the community. Now granted, there are some nice people and some helpful ones. But the majority of the people here and at that other site, only want to attack you, insult you and refuse to listen to any criticism about the game.

It truly reminds me of the Age of Conan forums prior to launch, just worse. People rather insult you than debate you. And the funny part is, very few people have trolled (going by the definition of the word) these forums. Sure there are some, but for many we offer constructive criticism of the game and debate/discuss issues we think will be come problems later on.

The other major issue keeping me from the game is how linear it is to me. But there is no fixing that at this point.

I don't even go to Aionsource anymore..I joined the site in November of 2006 and lets just say ever since Mark got canned and the preview events started the community there went to shit.

Originally posted by templarga

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I agree with you but Aion fanbois rather insult the poster than actually debate the points they make.....it is common practice in these forums.

You are correct. Aion will not appeal to most WOW players and actually it will make them quite angry when they get to level 20-25+ and Rifts start opening and they realize this game eliminates the player's choice to PVP when they want too. It is simple as that.

WOW players like choice, that is ultimately why the game is so big and why so many people like it. Aion doesn't give you a choice to PVP, it doesn't give a choice of leveling zones, it doesn't even give you a choice of starter zones or races (just 1 per side and that is the only choice you make).

And wow fanbois come here to remind us how terrible the aion community is after spotting a post that might seem agressive towards a trolling thread.

This is our day.

Originally posted by Ephimero

Originally posted by templarga

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I agree with you but Aion fanbois rather insult the poster than actually debate the points they make.....it is common practice in these forums.

You are correct. Aion will not appeal to most WOW players and actually it will make them quite angry when they get to level 20-25+ and Rifts start opening and they realize this game eliminates the player's choice to PVP when they want too. It is simple as that.

WOW players like choice, that is ultimately why the game is so big and why so many people like it. Aion doesn't give you a choice to PVP, it doesn't give a choice of leveling zones, it doesn't even give you a choice of starter zones or races (just 1 per side and that is the only choice you make).

 

And wow fanbois come here to remind us how terrible the aion community is after spotting a post that might seem agressive towards a trolling thread.

This is our day.

Aww speak of the devil.

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Ephimero

Originally posted by templarga

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I agree with you but Aion fanbois rather insult the poster than actually debate the points they make.....it is common practice in these forums.

You are correct. Aion will not appeal to most WOW players and actually it will make them quite angry when they get to level 20-25+ and Rifts start opening and they realize this game eliminates the player's choice to PVP when they want too. It is simple as that.

WOW players like choice, that is ultimately why the game is so big and why so many people like it. Aion doesn't give you a choice to PVP, it doesn't give a choice of leveling zones, it doesn't even give you a choice of starter zones or races (just 1 per side and that is the only choice you make).

 

And wow fanbois come here to remind us how terrible the aion community is after spotting a post that might seem agressive towards a trolling thread.

This is our day.

Aww speak of the devil.

Check out templarga's posts if you want, he only comes here, posting in trolling threads to spot aggressive behaviors towars OP, then claim this is the worst community ever because we cannot take the "korean games fucking suck" type of critizism. Been here long enough to detect people like him in seconds. I might be a fanboy, but I'm in the right forum to be so, and Ive had enough experience with the game to know what Im talking about, unlike 99% of the "trolls".

lol nothing new...

here's a bit to chew on: http://www.aionsource.com/forum/general-discussion/16694-complete-overview-draconic-carrier.html

this mofo actually attacks player held castles and like elite mobs drop from it. name one mmo with something even approaching this.

Originally posted by redrum666er

I don't even go to Aionsource anymore..I joined the site in November of 2006 and lets just say ever since Mark got canned and the preview events started the community there went to shit.

The community at Aionsource fell apart when NCsoft decided that they were going to take EXTRA long for their "localization".  Since then it has been nothing but hate, miss-information, and downright rudeness.