Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Kaneth

 but it's not enough to keep many people interested in the game.

Try to speak for yourself. Because reality would disagree with you. It is Ok, for a game to be "Not for you" this does not apply to everyone however.

 

Turbine also has 2 MMOs in the works.

 

Do you work for Turbine Sir Bloodworthy? because you seem to have a major hardon for LOTRO. LOL

Seing that your a member of this site since 2005, i'm kinda surprised (well 19 post total, not really) that you are surprised to see LOTRO as number 1 on this site.  We've seen all kind of weird game make it to number 1 on this site.  Their rating system is flawed, peoples who like a game give all 10 rating, other give all 1.   So you endup with a flawed rating like that.   My advice, ignore this site mmo rating.

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Kaneth

 but it's not enough to keep many people interested in the game.

Try to speak for yourself. Because reality would disagree with you. It is Ok, for a game to be "Not for you" this does not apply to everyone however.

 

Turbine also has 2 MMOs in the works.

 

 

Do you work for Turbine Sir Bloodworthy? because you seem to have a major hardon for LOTRO. LOL

They are one of the best development houses right now, they get much respect from me for this.

Solid game, frequent free updates, excellent CS, solid development pace, and one of the forerunners of the genre, and some of the most talented artists around..

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Kaneth

 but it's not enough to keep many people interested in the game.

Try to speak for yourself. Because reality would disagree with you. It is Ok, for a game to be "Not for you" this does not apply to everyone however.

 

Turbine also has 2 MMOs in the works.

 

 

Do you work for Turbine Sir Bloodworthy? because you seem to have a major hardon for LOTRO. LOL

They are one of the best development houses right now, they get much respect from me for this.

 

Solid game, frequent free updates, excellent CS, solid development pace, and one of the forerunners of the genre, and some of the most talented artists around..

 

Frequent updates? 2 updates in 7 months = frequent? Excellent cutscenes? Oh, you must mean the 30 seconds of in-game footage after each book... yeah, real amazing /rollseyes. Forerunner of the genre? Hardly. Most talented artists? Maybe environment, but characters still look disabled and spindly... those hat/helmet designers in the game are amazing, don't you just love headgear that gives you a bald head and removes all your hair?... but hey, to each their own.  "Solid development pace"? What an empty and vague description, but I'm not surprised seeing that we're talking about LoTRO and Turbine here...

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Kaneth

 but it's not enough to keep many people interested in the game.

Try to speak for yourself. Because reality would disagree with you. It is Ok, for a game to be "Not for you" this does not apply to everyone however.

 

Turbine also has 2 MMOs in the works.

 

 

Do you work for Turbine Sir Bloodworthy? because you seem to have a major hardon for LOTRO. LOL

They are one of the best development houses right now, they get much respect from me for this.

 

Solid game, frequent free updates, excellent CS, solid development pace, and one of the forerunners of the genre, and some of the most talented artists around..

 

Its great you think so but theres no need to walk all over others voicing their opitions. Your no better then anyone else posting here Sir. LOTRO lost many fans because of the recent end-game content...how does that make them the forerunners of the genre. Makes em slightly dense if you ask me.

I just re-subbed to see whats become of LOTRO since Moria's release. My hope is new content has made end-game better. If it isnt, I'm outy like many others who were turned off after playing LOTRO since launch.

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Kaneth

 but it's not enough to keep many people interested in the game.

Try to speak for yourself. Because reality would disagree with you. It is Ok, for a game to be "Not for you" this does not apply to everyone however.

 

Turbine also has 2 MMOs in the works.

 

 

Do you work for Turbine Sir Bloodworthy? because you seem to have a major hardon for LOTRO. LOL

They are one of the best development houses right now, they get much respect from me for this.

 

Solid game, frequent free updates, excellent CS, solid development pace, and one of the forerunners of the genre, and some of the most talented artists around..

 

 

Its great you think so but theres no need to walk all over others voicing their opitions. Your no better then anyone else posting here Sir. LOTRO lost many fans because of the recent end-game content...how does that make them the forerunners of the genre. Makes em slightly dense if you ask me.

I just re-subbed to see whats become of LOTRO since Moria's release. My hope is new content has made end-game better. Only time will tell.

Show me where I walked all over someone? I simply stated, that people need to speak for themselves, and not "Everyone" "people" "players". Your doing the same thing.

You may need to look up forerunner.

Originally posted by logicbox9

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Kaneth

 but it's not enough to keep many people interested in the game.

Try to speak for yourself. Because reality would disagree with you. It is Ok, for a game to be "Not for you" this does not apply to everyone however.

 

Turbine also has 2 MMOs in the works.

 

 

Do you work for Turbine Sir Bloodworthy? because you seem to have a major hardon for LOTRO. LOL

They are one of the best development houses right now, they get much respect from me for this.

 

Solid game, frequent free updates, excellent CS, solid development pace, and one of the forerunners of the genre, and some of the most talented artists around..

 

 

Frequent updates? 2 updates in 7 months = frequent? Excellent cutscenes? Oh, you must mean the 30 seconds of in-game footage after each book... yeah, real amazing /rollseyes. Forerunner of the genre? Hardly. Most talented artists? Maybe environment, but characters still look disabled and spindly... those hat/helmet designers in the game are amazing, don't you just love headgear that gives you a bald head and removes all your hair?... but hey, to each their own.  "Solid development pace"? What an empty and vague description, but I'm not surprised seeing that we're talking about LoTRO and Turbine here...

 

 

I think you failed to comprehend anything I posted. I also think you are having a hard time with perspective, and confusing your personal opinion with reality.

Most of what you wrote, has nothing to do with what I said, yet you flamed me for things you created anyway.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by logicbox9

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Kaneth

 but it's not enough to keep many people interested in the game.

Try to speak for yourself. Because reality would disagree with you. It is Ok, for a game to be "Not for you" this does not apply to everyone however.

 

Turbine also has 2 MMOs in the works.

 

 

Do you work for Turbine Sir Bloodworthy? because you seem to have a major hardon for LOTRO. LOL

They are one of the best development houses right now, they get much respect from me for this.

 

Solid game, frequent free updates, excellent CS, solid development pace, and one of the forerunners of the genre, and some of the most talented artists around..

 

 

Frequent updates? 2 updates in 7 months = frequent? Excellent cutscenes? Oh, you must mean the 30 seconds of in-game footage after each book... yeah, real amazing /rollseyes. Forerunner of the genre? Hardly. Most talented artists? Maybe environment, but characters still look disabled and spindly... those hat/helmet designers in the game are amazing, don't you just love headgear that gives you a bald head and removes all your hair?... but hey, to each their own.  "Solid development pace"? What an empty and vague description, but I'm not surprised seeing that we're talking about LoTRO and Turbine here...

 

 

I think you failed to comprehend anything I posted. I also think you are having a hard time with perspective, and confusing your personal opinion with reality.

Most of what you wrote, has nothing to do with what I said, yet you flamed me for things you created anyway.

 

I wouldn't pay much attention to Logicbox.  He likes to stick his head into the forum and post "LoTRO is teh suxxors!  RAWRR!!" every few weeks.

I enjoy the game, been in since the first closed beta, and while it is not perfect I thin it is a solid game.  It is not and PvP game and even though it has PvMP; it is a solid PvE game and the world is beautiful and feels huge.  I do wish Turbine would put some time in tweaking the player models.. but on ultra high setting things just pop.

I really have a hard time wrapping my head around statements that folks make about the game being boring around the 30's?!?  Is that when other games have clowns with seltzer bottles... 

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by logicbox9

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Kaneth

 but it's not enough to keep many people interested in the game.

Try to speak for yourself. Because reality would disagree with you. It is Ok, for a game to be "Not for you" this does not apply to everyone however.

 

Turbine also has 2 MMOs in the works.

 

 

Do you work for Turbine Sir Bloodworthy? because you seem to have a major hardon for LOTRO. LOL

They are one of the best development houses right now, they get much respect from me for this.

 

Solid game, frequent free updates, excellent CS, solid development pace, and one of the forerunners of the genre, and some of the most talented artists around..

 

 

Frequent updates? 2 updates in 7 months = frequent? Excellent cutscenes? Oh, you must mean the 30 seconds of in-game footage after each book... yeah, real amazing /rollseyes. Forerunner of the genre? Hardly. Most talented artists? Maybe environment, but characters still look disabled and spindly... those hat/helmet designers in the game are amazing, don't you just love headgear that gives you a bald head and removes all your hair?... but hey, to each their own.  "Solid development pace"? What an empty and vague description, but I'm not surprised seeing that we're talking about LoTRO and Turbine here...

 

 

I think you failed to comprehend anything I posted. I also think you are having a hard time with perspective, and confusing your personal opinion with reality.

Most of what you wrote, has nothing to do with what I said, yet you flamed me for things you created anyway.

 

Misunderstood what you wrote? Hardly. I'm just responding to your claim  that lotro has frequent updates, excellent cutscenes, something about development pace... amazing artists, etc. You are the one who failed to comprehend what I said. Also, just because one has a different idea of what your statements mean does not make him a troll :) Just because I don't post in every LoTRO thread doesn't mean I do not read them... I offer my opinion when I feel like it, and I'll debate someone who I think is incorrect... even if it's a fruitless debate, I'll still jaw jack about it.

Bloodworth, I know you are huge Turbine fanboi... but I think it's pretty hilarious that you go around acting like your opinion = reality. Pot. Kettle. Black.

Originally posted by Yeebo

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by logicbox9

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Kaneth

 but it's not enough to keep many people interested in the game.

Try to speak for yourself. Because reality would disagree with you. It is Ok, for a game to be "Not for you" this does not apply to everyone however.

 

Turbine also has 2 MMOs in the works.

 

 

Do you work for Turbine Sir Bloodworthy? because you seem to have a major hardon for LOTRO. LOL

They are one of the best development houses right now, they get much respect from me for this.

 

Solid game, frequent free updates, excellent CS, solid development pace, and one of the forerunners of the genre, and some of the most talented artists around..

 

 

Frequent updates? 2 updates in 7 months = frequent? Excellent cutscenes? Oh, you must mean the 30 seconds of in-game footage after each book... yeah, real amazing /rollseyes. Forerunner of the genre? Hardly. Most talented artists? Maybe environment, but characters still look disabled and spindly... those hat/helmet designers in the game are amazing, don't you just love headgear that gives you a bald head and removes all your hair?... but hey, to each their own.  "Solid development pace"? What an empty and vague description, but I'm not surprised seeing that we're talking about LoTRO and Turbine here...

 

 

I think you failed to comprehend anything I posted. I also think you are having a hard time with perspective, and confusing your personal opinion with reality.

Most of what you wrote, has nothing to do with what I said, yet you flamed me for things you created anyway.

 

I wouldn't pay much attention to Logicbox.  He likes to stick his head into the forum and post "LoTRO is teh suxxors!  RAWRR!!" every few weeks.

I pay attention to you though, since most of the stuff you spew is praise for a horrid developer,  i FEEL the need to chime in... but thanks for trolling.

Originally posted by logicbox9

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by logicbox9

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Kaneth

 but it's not enough to keep many people interested in the game.

Try to speak for yourself. Because reality would disagree with you. It is Ok, for a game to be "Not for you" this does not apply to everyone however.

 

Turbine also has 2 MMOs in the works.

 

 

Do you work for Turbine Sir Bloodworthy? because you seem to have a major hardon for LOTRO. LOL

They are one of the best development houses right now, they get much respect from me for this.

 

Solid game, frequent free updates, excellent CS, solid development pace, and one of the forerunners of the genre, and some of the most talented artists around..

 

 

Frequent updates? 2 updates in 7 months = frequent? Excellent cutscenes? Oh, you must mean the 30 seconds of in-game footage after each book... yeah, real amazing /rollseyes. Forerunner of the genre? Hardly. Most talented artists? Maybe environment, but characters still look disabled and spindly... those hat/helmet designers in the game are amazing, don't you just love headgear that gives you a bald head and removes all your hair?... but hey, to each their own.  "Solid development pace"? What an empty and vague description, but I'm not surprised seeing that we're talking about LoTRO and Turbine here...

 

 

I think you failed to comprehend anything I posted. I also think you are having a hard time with perspective, and confusing your personal opinion with reality.

Most of what you wrote, has nothing to do with what I said, yet you flamed me for things you created anyway.

 

Misunderstood what you wrote? Hardly. I'm just responding to your claim  that lotro has frequent updates, excellent cutscenes, something about development pace... amazing artists, etc. You are the one who failed to comprehend what I said. Also, just because one has a different idea of what your statements mean does not make him a troll :) Just because I don't post in every LoTRO thread doesn't mean I do not read them... I offer my opinion when I feel like it, and I'll debate someone who I think is incorrect... even if it's a fruitless debate, I'll still jaw jack about it.

 

Bloodworth, I know you are huge Turbine fanboi... but I think it's pretty hilarious that you go around acting like your opinion = reality. Pot. Kettle. Black.

Considering you went on to talk about cut scenes, when I was talking about Customer Service (a common abbreviation). I think you did not comprehend anything.

Your right, a different opinion does not make some one a troll, however, misunderstanding (intentional, or through ignorance), then implying an incorrect, or derogatory meaning, and flaming someone for it, does.

• Yes, Turbine does frequent updates that at times dwarf other studios expansions in terms of scope. (Books; Pre and post MoM, not even including regular updates.)
• The pace of development is simply faster than any other development house that uses a comparable tech.
• Customer Service is fast, and is not outsourced.
• Turbine has gotten many awards for its environment, but the technical execution of every single asset in the game from the basis of style, execution and professionalism is top notch. It is constantly talked about across many outlets, not just gaming forums.
• Turbine is one of the godfathers of the MMO genre, as has defined it more than you apparently know, or realize and continues to do so.

So again, you clearly did not understand a word I said. I sometimes forget I need two write slowly, and make sure I write an essay on every word used in a post around here. So, my apologies for assuming a level of knowledge and critical thinking on the part of readers.

So, now what? Can i expect an intelligent discussion from you, or shall we just keep to attacking each other? You pick.

He's got a point on the updates. AC their original game that is still running gets updated monthly, new content bug fixes etc every single month. That means every month they're giving you more quests to run for no extra cost. That's better then any other game out there.

LotRO has a ton of free updates/books. Much more often then other games out there.

DDO had been having lots of updates, but then there wasn't an update for a while and the announcement came out that that time had been spent changing the game to a f2p model and all the work it entailed.

As a founder with a lifetime sub, I also don't play anymore. Don't get me wrong...the game is fine, the storyline is fine, the gameplay is fine...but...playing the game just feels, well, tedious. It is the only word I can think of to describe it.

Every once in a while I think about logging on and playing, but then that feeling comes back and  I stop and play something else.

Originally posted by cfurlin

As a founder with a lifetime sub, I also don't play anymore. Don't get me wrong...the game is fine, the storyline is fine, the gameplay is fine...but...playing the game just feels, well, tedious. It is the only word I can think of to describe it.

Every once in a while I think about logging on and playing, but then that feeling comes back and  I stop and play something else.

You should come back and try the two new revamped zones.

OH! that's right. Turbine doesn't update/fix/or improve old content (Especially while adding a whole new zone or revamping the entire crafting system and adding 5 player requested features, and 4 new instances) and if they did, it would only take them about 30 minutes and one cup of caffeine.. (Sarcasm)

Originally posted by cfurlin

As a founder with a lifetime sub, I also don't play anymore. Don't get me wrong...the game is fine, the storyline is fine, the gameplay is fine...but...playing the game just feels, well, tedious. It is the only word I can think of to describe it.

Every once in a while I think about logging on and playing, but then that feeling comes back and  I stop and play something else.

I know exaclty how you feel. I feel this way about a few  MMORPGs. I think it is a stigma of the newer generation of games and comes mostly from game mechanics rather than content.

Originally posted by cfurlin

As a founder with a lifetime sub, I also don't play anymore. Don't get me wrong...the game is fine, the storyline is fine, the gameplay is fine...but...playing the game just feels, well, tedious. It is the only word I can think of to describe it.

Every once in a while I think about logging on and playing, but then that feeling comes back and  I stop and play something else.

Just curious... how much did you play before quiting... you know in any given day, week, month?  What I have often found with many of my friends and even myself that when you play and play and play I think it is natural to get bored.  I have found by balancing my gaming time with R makes gaming more fun and I find myself eger to play again.  I am a founder with lifetime sub and just dinged my main lvl 60 a few days ago. 

Originally posted by kiddyno071

Originally posted by cfurlin

As a founder with a lifetime sub, I also don't play anymore. Don't get me wrong...the game is fine, the storyline is fine, the gameplay is fine...but...playing the game just feels, well, tedious. It is the only word I can think of to describe it.

Every once in a while I think about logging on and playing, but then that feeling comes back and  I stop and play something else.

 

Just curious... how much did you play before quiting... you know in any given day, week, month?  What I have often found with many of my friends and even myself that when you play and play and play I think it is natural to get bored.  I have found by balancing my gaming time with R makes gaming more fun and I find myself eger to play again.  I am a founder with lifetime sub and just dinged my main lvl 60 a few days ago. 

A lot at the beginning, but I'd say on average, twice a week.
 

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by logicbox9

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by logicbox9

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Kaneth

 but it's not enough to keep many people interested in the game.

Try to speak for yourself. Because reality would disagree with you. It is Ok, for a game to be "Not for you" this does not apply to everyone however.

 

Turbine also has 2 MMOs in the works.

 

 

Do you work for Turbine Sir Bloodworthy? because you seem to have a major hardon for LOTRO. LOL

They are one of the best development houses right now, they get much respect from me for this.

 

Solid game, frequent free updates, excellent CS, solid development pace, and one of the forerunners of the genre, and some of the most talented artists around..

 

 

Frequent updates? 2 updates in 7 months = frequent? Excellent cutscenes? Oh, you must mean the 30 seconds of in-game footage after each book... yeah, real amazing /rollseyes. Forerunner of the genre? Hardly. Most talented artists? Maybe environment, but characters still look disabled and spindly... those hat/helmet designers in the game are amazing, don't you just love headgear that gives you a bald head and removes all your hair?... but hey, to each their own.  "Solid development pace"? What an empty and vague description, but I'm not surprised seeing that we're talking about LoTRO and Turbine here...

 

 

I think you failed to comprehend anything I posted. I also think you are having a hard time with perspective, and confusing your personal opinion with reality.

Most of what you wrote, has nothing to do with what I said, yet you flamed me for things you created anyway.

 

Misunderstood what you wrote? Hardly. I'm just responding to your claim  that lotro has frequent updates, excellent cutscenes, something about development pace... amazing artists, etc. You are the one who failed to comprehend what I said. Also, just because one has a different idea of what your statements mean does not make him a troll :) Just because I don't post in every LoTRO thread doesn't mean I do not read them... I offer my opinion when I feel like it, and I'll debate someone who I think is incorrect... even if it's a fruitless debate, I'll still jaw jack about it.

 

Bloodworth, I know you are huge Turbine fanboi... but I think it's pretty hilarious that you go around acting like your opinion = reality. Pot. Kettle. Black.

Considering you went on to talk about cut scenes, when I was talking about Customer Service (a common abbreviation). I think you did not comprehend anything.

Your right, a different opinion does not make some one a troll, however, misunderstanding (intentional, or through ignorance), then implying an incorrect, or derogatory meaning, and flaming someone for it, does.

 

• Yes, Turbine does frequent updates that at times dwarf other studios expansions in terms of scope. (Books; Pre and post MoM, not even including regular updates.)
• The pace of development is simply faster than any other development house that uses a comparable tech.
• Customer Service is fast, and is not outsourced.
• Turbine has gotten many awards for its environment, but the technical execution of every single asset in the game from the basis of style, execution and professionalism is top notch. It is constantly talked about across many outlets, not just gaming forums.
• Turbine is one of the godfathers of the MMO genre, as has defined it more than you apparently know, or realize and continues to do so.

So again, you clearly did not understand a word I said. I sometimes forget I need two write slowly, and make sure I write an essay on every word used in a post around here. So, my apologies for assuming a level of knowledge and critical thinking on the part of readers.

 

So, now what? Can i expect an intelligent discussion from you, or shall we just keep to attacking each other? You pick.

 

 

 

Lol, thread won. Nice :)

DB

LOTRO does have its problems, but for me it is the best of the themepark games out right now.

It has a generally more mature community than any other MMO I have been involved with, and in the world of MMORPGs this is a rare and precious commodity. At the beginning of WoW the community wasn't too bad, but that went downhill quick as all the Counter Strike trolls found their new calling life.

The funny thing, is that I have also experienced the "boredom" that others here have been talking about. I can really relate to that and to the comment about the "delayed" combat. I even stopped playing for a while in 2007 because mainly because of those reasons. (The final straw was seeing some dumbass running around Combe called "Iclubbabyseals" - community really makes or breaks games for me.)

But I came back and I am pleased I did. While there are still trolls and mental rejects running around, they are sadly everywhere in life (just look at the modern republican US political party - I'm sure the GOP of Lincoln have been turning over in their graves for several decades now). The great thing about LOTRO is that these people are a very weak minority. Again, community is almost everything to me in an MMO. And, if not LOTRO overall, at least Landroval has one of the best communities in any game out right now.

But the game is still mechanically a bit "boring." But I no longer find it that way, because I have adapted myself to the play style. The biggest adaptation was getting away from the style drummed into my brain by playing WoW for a few years and getting back to playing more of an RPG. In other words, getting out of the "RUSH RUSH to end game, collect phat lewts, rinse, repeat, RUSH RUSH RUSH). Adapting back from playing a RPG-themed RTS and back to a real RPG. I love that fact there is not a focus on "end game" in LOTRO and I actually worry that they will start focusing on it to cater to the lowest common denominator.

As to mechanics, though, more and more I am finding I am bored to death with the click and press 1,3,2,1,4 style of play that is endemic to 99% of the MMOs out there. But that is not LOTRO's problem, but rather an industry-wide problem I think. Out of all the point-and-click themepark MMO's out there, to me LOTRO has gotten it the most right.