Originally posted by qotsa

Personally I didn't like Starcraft at any point. I have never really been a hardcore Blizzard fan.  I did enjoy the Warcraft series a little. The first Diablo was a lot of fun. I played WoW for awhile and it was ok. Now someone said something about people being butthurt because Blizzard is popular or whatever. I personally don't care how popular a company is. I don't dislike it Blizz games because they are popular. I dislike some of the games because they feel like watered rip offs of far better games. My favorite Blizzard game was the Lost Vikings, lol. They aren't a bad company. They just don't appeal to my tastes.

What are those far better games Blizzard is riping off? Or are we talking about WoW now?

Exactly what are you talking about, story, gameplay, art style? What constitutes a rip off?

Originally posted by SonofSeth

 They didn't change stuff that's great, like badass multiplayer and fast action, with armies, not peasants with loot, that stuff belongs in wow and it should stay there. 

Can you imagine all the CGI bliss we'll get with this epic campaign idea, and every expansion you get to experience whole new settings with different kinds of mission structures, even just to see little zerglings squeel when your tanks are turning them to mush.

It's unfornate about this whole LAN no LAN yellow ink, but hey, all that means is that anyone who want's to play LAN will have a pirated version and anyone who would go to all the trouble of setting one up in the first place will have he's own MyBnet page on this shiny new BattleNet 2.0 thingy.

This is my opinion and I'm here to spread it!

Blizzard marketing tool, nothing to see here except blind hype.

Originally posted by SonofSeth

I don't wanna sound like an apologist but I guess I do anyway. As far as we know, some kind of LAN feature may eventualy end up in the retail copy, but we shouldn't hold our breath. 

You try to make your opinions sound like they are relevant, but they can't really be taken seriously when you are posting on an MMORPG forum and talking about LAN as if it's anything more than a crutch multiplayer feature of the times gone by.

After all said I still think they should include multiplayer just to shut all the whiners up so they don't have to manufacture reason why they won't buy the game but rather download the torrent.

I don't think there is a big demographic for it anymore. I don't expect this game to have a LAN join hacked in, none of the other games that don't support LAN. At least not one that is user friendly enough to get used.

This won't be the first game to skip LAN. Clearly they calculate that the sales lost to Hamachi using pirates outweigh the sales gained by having a feature rich software.

LAN gaming is my primary reason for me buying computer games. I cannot think of many household these days that do not own multiple computers. While I originally got into LAN gaming before the internet existed and have since enjoyed many internet games, I don't consider internet games to be multiplayer experiences. I am still essentially playing on my computer in a room alone.
 

And indeed it is a Catch 22 situation as if I am able to download a LAN game for free, there is no guarentee I will buy it. However, if it has no LAN game I can guarentee 100% I won't buy it. Piracy exists. Just make a good product at the right price and it will sell. Plenty of companies are making hit titles that are pirated 20 times a often as they are sold. They still make their money.

Clearly this game won't be replacing Warhammer 40K or Company of Heroes as my LAN rts of choice. It's not a big issue for me I'm not a die hard fan of the original. I would however of given it a chance.

Perhaps they should offer multiple Battlenet keys in each box? But then, providing value for money is no longer really such a great concern for them is it?

Originally posted by baff                                                                                                                                                                          I don't think there is a big demographic for it anymore. I don't expect this game to have a LAN join hacked in, none of the other games that don't support LAN. At least not one that is user friendly enough to get used.

This won't be the first game to skip LAN. Clearly they calculate that the sales lost to Hamachi using pirates outweigh the sales gained by having a feature rich software.

 

LAN gaming is my primary reason for me buying computer games. I cannot think of many household these days that do not own multiple computers. While I originally got into LAN gaming before the internet existed and have since enjoyed many internet games, I don't consider internet games to be multiplayer experiences. I am still essentially playing on my computer in a room alone.
 

And indeed it is a Catch 22 situation as if I am able to download a LAN game for free, there is no guarentee I will buy it. However, if it has no LAN game I can guarentee 100% I won't buy it. Piracy exists. Just make a good product at the right price and it will sell. Plenty of companies are making hit titles that are pirated 20 times a often as they are sold. They still make their money.

 

Clearly this game won't be replacing Warhammer 40K or Company of Heroes as my LAN rts of choice. It's not a big issue for me I'm not a die hard fan of the original. I would however of given it a chance.

Perhaps they should offer multiple Battlenet keys in each box? But then, providing value for money is no longer really such a great concern for them is it?

Nice, I love your response. I can understand where you are coming from and your reasoning behind it. 

I want to know one thing though, how do MMORPGs factor in this "major reason to buy computer games is local multiplayer and only real multiplayer is LAN with other people in the same room while playing over internet is just playing alone" opinion?

I ask because, after all, this is MMORPG.com so one has to asume you play MMORPGs.

Mostly I play MMO's on my own.

Some MMO's I play around the LAN. It depends how accessable they are. Mostly MMO's don't make for good LAN games because of the difference in player goals at different levels. Your mate can't just come over and play, he has to be max level and have the sword that fell from the stars also.

City of Heroes had a nice system were lowbs and high levels could team up and still both progress. I've had friends over who had their own WoW characters, or started free trials of various MMO's together.

Typically to play an MMO, everyone in the room would be typing furiously to talk to people on the otherside of the world and ignoring eachother. It's pretty anti-social stuff.

When a fellow MMO player comes to visit, we might log in and show off our characters to each other, but not actually play that game and instead launch a LAN game. For the most part MMO's are things I play on my own. Imagine going on a raid, let alone leading one and having 3 mates in the room with you. It would be plum rude, either you would fail the raid or ignore all your mates. It's not a social thing to do.

MMO's aren't my favourite style of game. I play and enjoy them, but they are not the top of my list. Despite having a zillion groovey people on the server and being chattastic, they aren't very social games. It's doesn't make for much of a home entertainment system.

I buy computers to play LAN games every year, I've never bought one to play an MMO.

Originally posted by baff

When a fellow MMO player comes to visit, we might log in and show off our characters to each other, but not actually play that game and instead launch a LAN game. For the most part MMO's are things I play on my own. Imagine going on a raid, let alone leading one and having 3 mates in the room with you. It would be plum rude, either you would fail the raid or ignore all your mates. It's not a social thing to do.

Playing over bnet in the same room can be as social as playing over LAN. You are still in the same room, there are no raids or groups, there is 1v1 2v2 3vzerg or what other combination you find fun. You already said you aren't a pro gamer so even if there was some amount of lag it shouldn't be a big problem for you.

Basicly, you could play Starcraft 2 exactly the way you prefer playing your games, how is no LAN afecting you exactly? You have internet, you have the ability to play MMORPGS together in the same room (at least that's how I understood what you said) the same would apply to playing Starcraft 2 over bnet. Where exactly is the problem?

No LAN is affecting me by quadrupling the price of the game or worse.

I have a 6-8 way LAN so in order to play a internet game with all my mates now, the price has gone up from £30 for a LAN game to £180-£240 for an internet game.

So I won't be playing on Bnet. Sorry, I'm not that intrested in this game.

I don't think it will be 6-8 times as good as all the other RTS games. I don't think it will be twice as good. In fact I don't think it's the sort of title that excites me enough to pay full price for, let alone full price multiple times. Perhaps I would have picked it up out of the discount bin or something later on, or a re-release, but again even at £10 a copy in 2 years time, that would mean £60-80 for the game and frankly I'm willing to bet there will be other games out there that are more competatively priced and just as fun.

I will be playing Bloodbowl instead I expect.

A great game, all my mates know the table top (making it highly accessable). It supports LAN and I can set it up on my system for a reasonable price.

Damn baff, you turned out to be such a dissapoitment.