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10/24/09 2:18:56 AM#41
Actually Xfire is a very good tool for seeing trends in MMOs (OMG I DONT USE XFIRE SO ITS USELESS!) Look at the AoC stats and you see that last week wen the Free trial was reactivated the xfire had a noticeable increase so there were indeed alot of people cheking out the trial. Sadly this week its seems like the numbers have decreased to lower than before the trial were activated. This say nothng about the total numbers of subscribers. It just says something about the trend for AoC, and its not very positive. If xfire is so pointless how come Funcom wants you to install it when you start the trial? If WoW = The Beatles |
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10/24/09 3:18:37 AM#42
Originally posted by Papadam
I remember when I first installed AoC, Xfire wasn't included in that install. I guess Funcom felt they needed the extra boost in Xfire numbers so they made a deal with Xfire. Oh and did they have some kind of Xfire competition a while back? Most players (and Funcom) know how accurate Xfire is. It's just a handful of players that don't like it because they don't understand it. Statistics can be quite difficult to understand if you are below average intelligence and non-educated. |
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10/24/09 8:13:30 AM#43
my friend statistics 101 - for a sample to be representative it has to match certain criterions. Google it ... and my answer; "no"+1 |
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10/24/09 9:10:22 AM#44
Originally posted by nihce
So most players in the gaming community and everyone at Funcom is wrong, and you are right because you have been to "Statistics 101" course in college? Lol. Terms like "sample size" and "sample quality" might sound cool in academic circles but in real life Xfire is an awesome tool for measuring gaming trends. It's one of those things that shouldn't work, but somehow it does. |
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10/24/09 12:07:14 PM#45
WAIT! so you are not the educated one? Given you do not know the terms that are as common as representative sample. Lemme give you a clue - for a sample to be representative it has to be random (Xfire is not random, IMHO) and it has to include at least 1000 people - speccialy to monitor trends ... with 500 people monitored even for example Norway national holiday could be seen here. |
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10/24/09 12:11:55 PM#46
Originally posted by finaticd Stop it with the XFIRE crap. Xfire stats dont mean a dam thing, with that said I dont play age of conan but ive have been playing mmo's sence 99, and i dont use xfire and there are millions of others like me who dont use xfire. Sic semper tyrannis "Democracy broke down, not when the Union |
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10/24/09 12:13:50 PM#47
Originally posted by shamus252 Stop it with the XFIRE crap. Xfire stats dont mean a dam thing, with that said I dont play age of conan but ive have been playing mmo's sence 99, and i dont use xfire and there are millions of others like me who dont use xfire. it just doesn't show true number it does however depict trends perfectly. If a game drops on xfire somethings up |
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10/24/09 12:17:50 PM#48
if Xfire is completely wrong all the time. then why the hell is WOW #1 every single day of the week? and that is exactly dead on. if it sucked so bad WOW wouldnt be #1 every single day. why did AOC go really high near release and now its a lot lower? well not as many subs. no its not a 100% exact but its pretty good. stats are not based off every single person in society but sample sizes and this is exactly that. so its very close but not exact. |
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10/24/09 12:31:14 PM#49
LOL such poor arguments I don't even hear in my class (and it is full of idiots) - WoW? Dude WoW has n00 % more players than anything else. What are you trying to prove exactly? Every program that is from time of digital should be able to show WoW has few mil wombies |
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10/24/09 12:38:32 PM#50
Originally posted by maakaatuu
Xfire is not always 100% correct but it's pretty close to that. I also have never used it but it doesn't matter as long as some players do. The data they give is enough to make the calculations. It's the same principle they use to estimate TV-ratings.
hmm for the sake of it...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_ratings
read this part will ya: " Another criticism of the measuring system itself is that it fails the most important criteria of a sample: it is not random in the statistical sense of the word. Only a small fraction of the population is selected and only those that actually accept are used as the sample size. There are only 25,000 total American households that participate in the Nielsen daily metered system.[8] The resident population of the United States as of 2009 is about 307 million people.[9] Compounding matters is the fact that of the sample data that is collected, advertisers will not pay for time shifted (recorded for replay at a different time) programs [10] rendering the 'raw' numbers useless. In many local areas, the difference between a rating that keeps a show on the air and one that will cancel it is so small as to be statistically insignificant, and yet the show that just happens to get the higher rating will survive.[11] As the possible choices increase so does the margin of error resulting in the sampling sizes being too small"
so yeah xfire gets it wrong.
on the topic. aoic is far from "dying", but as i see it it will also never be packed again, the game lacks some certain elements, at least for me as a pvp player.
anyhow the secret world looks good enough so im pretty sure that funcom will be just fine and dandy. btw ive dl Ao the other day, after 12 years the world is still alive and kicking. its a beautiful idea to think about that a mmorpg has been around for 12 years, existing over the www. think about it. :)
cheers. helios.
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10/24/09 12:47:23 PM#51
Originally posted by biogerm
Xfire is not always 100% correct but it's pretty close to that. I also have never used it but it doesn't matter as long as some players do. The data they give is enough to make the calculations. It's the same principle they use to estimate TV-ratings.
hmm for the sake of it...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_ratings
read this part will ya: " Another criticism of the measuring system itself is that it fails the most important criteria of a sample: it is not random in the statistical sense of the word. Only a small fraction of the population is selected and only those that actually accept are used as the sample size. There are only 25,000 total American households that participate in the Nielsen daily metered system.[8] The resident population of the United States as of 2009 is about 307 million people.[9] Compounding matters is the fact that of the sample data that is collected, advertisers will not pay for time shifted (recorded for replay at a different time) programs [10] rendering the 'raw' numbers useless. In many local areas, the difference between a rating that keeps a show on the air and one that will cancel it is so small as to be statistically insignificant, and yet the show that just happens to get the higher rating will survive.[11] As the possible choices increase so does the margin of error resulting in the sampling sizes being too small"
so yeah xfire gets it wrong.
on the topic. aoic is far from "dying", but as i see it it will also never be packed again, the game lacks some certain elements, at least for me as a pvp player.
anyhow the secret world looks good enough so im pretty sure that funcom will be just fine and dandy. btw ive dl Ao the other day, after 12 years the world is still alive and kicking. its a beautiful idea to think about that a mmorpg has been around for 12 years, existing over the www. think about it. :)
cheers. helios.
I agree with you in that based on looking at it from a stats point of view xfire is not very good. Just way too many people that have decided not to use it. I personally have not used xfire in 6 years. I also am looking forward to the secret world, and really like some of the game ideas they have. AoC not doing well shouldn't hurt that TSW too much I don't think, after all they have quite a few differences from the description. I also think that the setting for AoC might not have been the best to bring in a lot of players. That is the main reason why I never tried it. I just wasn't interested in the world itself, so the game could have been perfect and I wouldn't try it. TSW seems like it may be able to get a broader player base though. Edit: never got to type anything before posting, touchpad clicked post before i wrote anything. |
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10/25/09 3:14:07 AM#52
Originally posted by BloodDuality
hmm for the sake of it...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_ratings
read this part will ya: " Another criticism of the measuring system itself is that it fails the most important criteria of a sample: it is not random in the statistical sense of the word. Only a small fraction of the population is selected and only those that actually accept are used as the sample size. There are only 25,000 total American households that participate in the Nielsen daily metered system.[8] The resident population of the United States as of 2009 is about 307 million people.[9] Compounding matters is the fact that of the sample data that is collected, advertisers will not pay for time shifted (recorded for replay at a different time) programs [10] rendering the 'raw' numbers useless. In many local areas, the difference between a rating that keeps a show on the air and one that will cancel it is so small as to be statistically insignificant, and yet the show that just happens to get the higher rating will survive.[11] As the possible choices increase so does the margin of error resulting in the sampling sizes being too small"
so yeah xfire gets it wrong.
on the topic. aoic is far from "dying", but as i see it it will also never be packed again, the game lacks some certain elements, at least for me as a pvp player.
anyhow the secret world looks good enough so im pretty sure that funcom will be just fine and dandy. btw ive dl Ao the other day, after 12 years the world is still alive and kicking. its a beautiful idea to think about that a mmorpg has been around for 12 years, existing over the www. think about it. :)
cheers. helios.
I agree with you in that based on looking at it from a stats point of view xfire is not very good. Just way too many people that have decided not to use it. I personally have not used xfire in 6 years. I also am looking forward to the secret world, and really like some of the game ideas they have. AoC not doing well shouldn't hurt that TSW too much I don't think, after all they have quite a few differences from the description. I also think that the setting for AoC might not have been the best to bring in a lot of players. That is the main reason why I never tried it. I just wasn't interested in the world itself, so the game could have been perfect and I wouldn't try it. TSW seems like it may be able to get a broader player base though. Edit: never got to type anything before posting, touchpad clicked post before i wrote anything.
That's not how statistics work. They don't need to know what every single player is playing so whether or not you have ever used Xfire is irrelevant. All they need to know is what a small portion is playing and the laws of statistics will do the rest. It's the same principle they use with TV-ratings. |
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