Originally posted by Anubisan

I think that their public attitude in regards to these issues is more PR spin than actual opinion.

The worst thing they could do at this point is admit that the game design is irreparably flawed. Yes, they screwed up... they can't possibly not see that at this point considering how many people have left WAR. But that does not mean that they don't understand the problems. In fact, I believe that the issues with WAR are a large part of the reason why Mark Jacobs resigned. EA was no doubt a bit upset that their hopeful new cash cow was not all that it promised.

My only point is this: Bioware is still in control of this thing. And what is left of Mythic is under major pressure EA and the gaming community about the problems with WAR. A lot of those WAR issues are design choices and are not fixable at this point, but that does not mean that the Mythic people don't understand those problems. And it certainly doesn't mean that they won't learn from those mistakes and make sure that TOR does not repeat them.

Yes, I'm sure some of that is PR spin. They haven't done a good job of it. It's possible for companies to own up to mistakes and retain their subscriber base/customers. I'm not asking for a full on confession but we are a forgiving country and a little bit of honesty goes a long way.

My point is Mythic has repeated the same mistakes they made in DaoC and magnified them in WaR.  That, is not showing any signs of learning from your mistakes. Mythic has a track record of continually messing up games with poor design choices, coding, customer service,, so what in the hell makes you think after all this that they've learned anything?

I think you're being an apologist for the collossul mistakes Mythic has made and continues to make. Don't get me wrong, DaoC has always been my favorite game and I just wish another game would come in and capture the feelings/memories I had in it's glory days but until Mythic PROVES they've learned something by releasing a finished, polished, functioning, and well designed product, they do not deserve any benefit of the doubt.

Afterall, your first rebuttal to my post was the engine was at fault for WAR and DaoC's problems. Now you are saying that a lot of the issues are design choices which have proven to be mistakes. So if the engine was a mistake, the design choices are problems, then whose fault was it? Are you really naive enough to believe that MJ had his hand in every decision made on a daily basis on every aspect of the game?

eh w/e,  was a worthless group of people before as they are now.  The short of it is that Bioware is looking over their shoulders on the grunt work they are doing and this is BW's game they already have their ideas and MMO people in place, so not even EA or Mythic can mess this up.  It is all on BW.  

If they're just helping with programming and stuff like that, Mythic shouldn't get in the way, but if they're designing the storyline, combat, etc. I think that's BioWare and LucasArts's job

Mythic is pretty much just helping with the multiplayer programming since they have experience there. They will have little, if anything to say on the gameplay. I got this information from a recent IGN article.

Wasn't a post with almost the same name made just like a week ago to, saying the same thing? I heard search doesn't work here.

Also, if you caught the new video from the main guy behind bioware/this game, when asked what mythic people would be doing, he almost said LOL THEY AREN'T HELPING..

He, in a round about way, said they are giving ideas that they learned from their two games, but are not actually in the decision making process.

But hey, don't play, one less loldarksithlordlol20123 playing :P.

if you think mythic is a bad dev for MMO's you're just a noob. They do good jobs. and plus it's being made by Bioware, i doubt Mythic will turn it into the open pvp classfest (which i happen to love) that you seemingly think it will be. fly away stupid troll, fly away.

Originally posted by shatavaar

To bad... this game had alot of potential till i heard that.  

if mythic bring their European Server contracts with that horrendous company that is running the servers for WoW, then this game WILL fail...

imagine beta launch and players all over the place have to wait 72 hours + and counting just to register their access pass.

EA is a game cash cow, they will have this game dumbed right down so 3 year olds can play!

Just wait and see the game advertised on the cartoon network for evidence!

Could you people put this anymore out of proportion?

Mythic is a good company,  a bright shot better than most.

Mythic has changed and influenced the MMO World unlike Bioware which never has made an MMO before. They introduced the RvR idea, Public Quests, etc. In its prime DAoC was the best PvP game on the market bar none. Name one game that was better with an explanation detailing your logic.  If TOR had that kind of gameplay experience combined with Bioware's ability to make what will be great PvE content then you have a winner.

To be quite honest I have more concerns about BIoware's actions than the possiblity of Mythic actually influencing Bioware to add a great PvP experience as well.

Because you know, heaven forbid TOR have PvP as it will ruin the game right?

Don't be dumb guys, Mythic is a good company and this is amazing news that mythic is assisting Bioware. This means that there will be more staff, more experience, and faster development time.  This means that Bioware is serious about making a game to compete with World of GoonCraft.

Originally posted by britzban

Don't be dumb guys, Mythic is a good company and this is amazing news that mythic is assisting Bioware. This means that there will be more staff, more experience, and faster development time.  This means that Bioware is serious about making a game to compete with World of GoonCraft.

I would love to hear an explanation oh why you believe Mythic to be a good company.

 I only have one thing that bothers me about all of this , It is EA !

I have seen EA destroy good things , and try getting help from them in an mmo!

They will have to change alot before I can truly consider using any of their productions.

Originally posted by Greenie

Originally posted by britzban

Don't be dumb guys, Mythic is a good company and this is amazing news that mythic is assisting Bioware. This means that there will be more staff, more experience, and faster development time.  This means that Bioware is serious about making a game to compete with World of GoonCraft.

 

I would love to hear an explanation oh why you believe Mythic to be a good company.

They had a good MMO and then they had an average/bad MMO. That at least makes them slightly positive, or even. Bioware is still in charge - if anything, Mythic can just provide extra manpower. Their attention is still focused on WAR.

And what if this game succeeds? Will Mythic get any credit? Probably not. Why would they put any real effort into this game when you have very informed, intelligent gentlemen (snicker) like the OP saying the game will suck before it's even launched? Just because Mythic is "working" on it? I wouldn't. I'd just do what EA told me, but have my attention focused on DAoC/WAR.

Originally posted by Comnitus

Originally posted by Greenie

I would love to hear an explanation oh why you believe Mythic to be a good company.

They had a good MMO and then they had an average/bad MMO. That at least makes them slightly positive, or even. Bioware is still in charge - if anything, Mythic can just provide extra manpower. Their attention is still focused on WAR.

And what if this game succeeds? Will Mythic get any credit? Probably not. Why would they put any real effort into this game when you have very informed, intelligent gentlemen (snicker) like the OP saying the game will suck before it's even launched? Just because Mythic is "working" on it? I wouldn't. I'd just do what EA told me, but have my attention focused on DAoC/WAR.

They have a good MMO that they almost killed completely due to bad decisions, bad customer service, bad expansions, and ineptitude in fixing bugs, exploits, class designs.

They wasted a lot of effort on Imperator a game nobody wanted but didn't get scrapped until they finally got it through their heads that game would have been a lauging stock, when they should have been making the game they had better.

In WaR they compounded many of those same mistakes in DaoC and due to this WaR has pretty much flopped harder than any other MMO.

What that tells me is when daoc released and for a short time the company was blossoming into a real force in the mmo industry and with daoc they either A) got lucky  B) everyone who helped make that company great is not longer with them.

We're not talking about one mistake by a company, we're talking several mistakes over the course of 4-5 years. Had MJ not gotten the Warhammer IP, EA would not have bought Mythic. And I really doubt Mythic would survive yet another grand disaster without a larger corporation to bail them out.

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Originally posted by shatavaar

To bad... this game had alot of potential till i heard that.  

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Originally posted by shatavaar

wAHHH Wahhh wahhhh

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Really this is a troll and a poor one at that.

The thing is, Bioware CANNOT let this game fail for any reason. They know a majority of all MMORPG gamers will be playing SWTOR when it's released because the hype for it is pretty extreme.

I'm personally not too worried about because of that reason. They simply can't let SWTOR fail.

Originally posted by Krilster

The thing is, Bioware CANNOT let this game fail for any reason. They know a majority of all MMORPG gamers will be playing SWTOR when it's released because the hype for it is pretty extreme.

I'm personally not too worried about because of that reason. They simply can't let SWTOR fail.

NOR could almost all of the other mmo companies that had failing mmos...

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Originally posted by Krilster

The thing is, Bioware CANNOT let this game fail for any reason. They know a majority of all MMORPG gamers will be playing SWTOR when it's released because the hype for it is pretty extreme.

I'm personally not too worried about because of that reason. They simply can't let SWTOR fail.

 

NOR could almost all of the other mmo companies that had failing mmos...

Most of the companies that made the supposed "WoW killer" MMO were mainly nobody companies tbh. Funcom for instance (AO isn't worth mentioning anymore).

Bioware is a revered company when it comes to RPGs and I don't think they'll halfass the most anticipated MMORPG of the upcoming year. (Note: Diablo 3 isn't an MMORPG ;))

As long as they learn from other MMOs mistakes I think it'll be fine.

I want mythic guys doing pvp please. Give them an IP that inspires them...no worrying about PQ's..they could make it really fun. Wonder if PQ's will make an appearance in TOR?