MMORPG moved my post to this forum.  Here is my complaint:

www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/242765/So-the-game-recommendation-forum-can-not-be-used-for-that-You-should-change-its-description.html

They need to change the name of the description of the LFGame forum.  You can't recommend games there.

If you look at various forums on the internet, you will see hate for the game, and what you think is a generally bad community.  That is only on the outside.  On the inside, Darkfall has a great close knit community of guilds and alliances.  Everyone works together to show they can survive in such a harsh enviroment. 

Darkfall is not your ordinary "EQ clone" like WoW.  It matchs player skill vs player skill, instead of the auto-target and button smashing most games have today.  Its has a FPS feel, you have to aim to hit someone.  It also has a skill system instead of level system, you swing your sword and hit someone, you become a more powerful swordmaster. 

The developers of Darkfall are independent; they are makign a game that they would love to play and are trying to steer away from the norm.  The content of the game is not generated by the developers, its generated more by the players.  Yes, there are dragons to kill, but you can also kill the players that are trying to kill the dragons.   Its one of the few full loot systems where if you die, everything you own falls to your grave.  You also do not die right away, you lie on the ground until someone decides to ressurrect you, or gank you.  This game is not for the feint of heart.

Darkfall has many more features and is getting more stuff added to it over time by the developers.  Today they launched a major patch that they called an expansion.  To some MMO's on the market, its bigger than their expansions, so the Darkfall developers are hard at work trying to improve their game.

People on various forums say there are tons of cheaters in Darkfall.  You have to play it for yourself to see that there are few to none.  I see more people bot in WoW than macro in Darkfall.  AoC has more holes in it than Darkfall.  Darkfall is just another game, it has good things, and it has bad.  Some of the hackign reports may be simple ping issues, the currnet server is in Germany, so a player in Germany thats fighting a player in America would look like they are hacking due to ping alone.  Its like playing UT2K4 on a server with 200 ping.  You notice a major diffrence.  This is one of the reasons they are launching the NA server.

Don't take it from me, give it a try yourself when the NA server launches.  Keep in mind, you will get ganked by other players.  Make friends, and gank the gankers.  Thats what multiplayer games are all about: teamwork.

Expansion info:

www.darkfallonline.com/expansion/

Massive EU siege:

www.youtube.com/watch

Developer review (not your every day fast food mmo):

www.afraidyet.net/forums/news/90320-darkfall-expansion-lead-developer-interview.html

Good review, in Spanish:

mmorpghispano.net/articlenav-39-page-1.html

Good review:

www.tentonhammer.com/node/68399

Bad review:

www.eurogamer.net/articles/darkfall-online-review

"The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting."
Sun Tzu

Wheres the bad review in spanish?  huh?  You're tricking the spanish speakers!!! <-- joking

This expansion stuff has me remembering back a year ago when everyone was so psyched about DF to begin with, I really hope its not a repeat disapointment.

Also, somehow I think Sun Tzu wouldn't like Darkfall.

Hmmmm..I played the game for months, and yes, there are a ton of cheaters/botters/exploiters - al of which I saw first hand on a daily basis.

I could find 20 players cheating within a 5min.  time period at any time that I played. I went weeks or literally months at a time before I'd see a player in WOW that i suspected was cheating. To compare WOW against DF is just..., well, silly. And desperate.

Next...the community of DF is "great"?

Huh?

Read the offical DF forums....see those players that are in-game and read those comments. That is what passes as "close knit community"?

Wow....just wow.

And please...let's be real. This game has had a tiny number of positive reviews, most major gaming sites simply ignore DF, as it has one of the smallest player bases in the industry.

Let's try posting the truth for a change, instead of propaganda, ok?

Originally posted by Hammertime1

Hmmmm..I played the game for months, and yes, there are a ton of cheaters/botters/exploiters - al of which I saw first hand on a daily basis.

I could find 20 players cheating within a 5min.  time period at any time that I played. I went weeks or literally months at a time before I'd see a player in WOW that i suspected was cheating. To compare WOW against DF is just..., well, silly. And desperate.

 

 

Next...the community of DF is "great"?

Huh?

Read the offical DF forums....see those players that are in-game and read those comments. That is what passes as "close knit community"?

Wow....just wow.

 

 

And please...let's be real. This game has had a tiny number of positive reviews, most major gaming sites simply ignore DF, as it has one of the smallest player bases in the industry.

 

Let's try posting the truth for a change, instead of propaganda, ok?

 

 

 

 

I was part of some of the biggest alliance's in-game.  What you have seen is totally opposite that what I have seen.  The only time I saw someone who looked like they were hacking was when I was lagging hard (500ms ping).  People hype that Darkfall is full of holes.  I did see people afk at "blood walls" getting beat on, a couple with a shield that were macro-blocking.  I saw way more people macroing in Shadowbane (I was one who macroed a flying warlock in Shadowbane).  The less  you actualy play your charactor, the less "player skill" you will have.  If your active, you know what your capable of.

LFGame » Darkfall goes GOLD (North American launch) July 13th - Try it

Sure, can you point me to the trial that was promised? Where can i try it without buying it?

Originally posted by miagisan

LFGame » Darkfall goes GOLD (North American launch) July 13th - Try it

 

Sure, can you point me to the trial that was promised? Where can i try it without buying it?

Name 1 tripple A title that had a free trial at launch

Originally posted by xpiher

Name 1 tripple A title that had a free trial at launch

Didn't someone just get done telling us how this game wasn't like any of those other titles? But on this it's ok to be the same? pick and choose, pick and choose I guess....

You link a clearly biased Spanish review and a quick look (which was also biased and only goal was to try and slander the also terrible eurogamers review) as "good" review.

They are on the same level as the eurogamer review, terrible. I'd recommend that people save their money.

Oh and I have to laugh whenever someone brings up skill in darkfall.

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I don't consider a game that has 10k-15k people playing it quite in the same league as a triple A title. If darkfall was the amazing game people said it would be a trial would be a no brainer, there would be no reason to hide the game (and people don't trust buying a game from a company they don't know).

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It's laughable that you consider friendly fire to be the epitome of skillful playing. Watch out guy's, this game is a real tough one -- you might hit your friend!

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Originally posted by Mr.Lumps
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Yeah no, you're right, I'll stick with my rattle man. You put up a strong argument afterall.

No, seriously though, I don't play WoW. And if people in darkfall are really that bad at games that something like friendly fire is effecting their ability to fight one person then that says a lot about it's community.

It's laughable, really. I never thought someone would be so elite because their game makes you manually aim and has friendly fire in it.

My point is that there hasn't been any game, that I can think of, that has been released in the last 3years that had a trial come out along with the game.

And don't listen to the idiots who also happen to be fans of DFO. The game takes skill because of a lot of issues, but 1 thing that is broken removes all skill needed from the game. That thing is broken AoE. Some AoE spells go through walls which removes a player's need for actual skill. When that gets fixed, the game will require skill again due to FF, needing to aim, corridnation, stra, etc.

Originally posted by mklinic

Originally posted by xpiher

Name 1 tripple A title that had a free trial at launch

 

Didn't someone just get done telling us how this game wasn't like any of those other titles? But on this it's ok to be the same? pick and choose, pick and choose I guess....

Excellent point. I'd also like to make metion of the fact that every time anyone criticised this game for poor launch and missing features at launch, the excuse the fans use to explain these problems is "They are a small indy company, what do you expect."

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Originally posted by xpiher
My point is that there hasn't been any game, that I can think of, that has been released in the last 3years that had a trial come out along with the game.

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It's been a while since darkfall released, hasn't it though. There is no reason other then them trying to hide it (and hoping on getting some unexpecting players to buy a half done product) to release a trial now. Most of the games to come out in the past 3 years, after all, released a trial after their game had gone into the crapper.

Originally posted by Nadril

 

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Originally posted by xpiher
My point is that there hasn't been any game, that I can think of, that has been released in the last 3years that had a trial come out along with the game.

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It's been a while since darkfall released, hasn't it though. There is no reason other then them trying to hide it (and hoping on getting some unexpecting players to buy a half done product) to release a trial now. Most of the games to come out in the past 3 years, after all, released a trial after their game had gone into the crapper.

By your logic, DFO has never been out of the crapper. DFO still plans on releasing a trial, when the game is ready. I think its the same thing AoC is doing. Yes, until the expansion is fleshed out DFO isn't ready for a free trial yet.

Originally posted by xpiher

My point is that there hasn't been any game, that I can think of, that has been released in the last 3years that had a trial come out along with the game.

To be fair, I can't recall any games that came out in the past three years that strongly eluded to there being a "try before you buy" option at launch. This was something that was touted by fans pre-release and quickly, and conveniently, written off as one of those "he didn't actually mean that" things.

While my previous comment was tongue-in-cheek, the underlying point is that fans go to great lengths to distance themselves, and the game, from WoW and other popular games, but when someone questions a feature or idea in DF, the first comments usually fall along the lines of "you can't do that in WoW either noobface!". There is a bit of a contradiction in the message.

Originally posted by miagisan

LFGame » Darkfall goes GOLD (North American launch) July 13th - Try it

 

Sure, can you point me to the trial that was promised? Where can i try it without buying it?

The title says TRY IT...and i would like to since i havent played since beta, so where can i try it?

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Originally posted by xpiher

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Originally posted by Nadril

 

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Originally posted by xpiher
My point is that there hasn't been any game, that I can think of, that has been released in the last 3years that had a trial come out along with the game.

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It's been a while since darkfall released, hasn't it though. There is no reason other then them trying to hide it (and hoping on getting some unexpecting players to buy a half done product) to release a trial now. Most of the games to come out in the past 3 years, after all, released a trial after their game had gone into the crapper.

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By your logic, DFO has never been out of the crapper. DFO still plans on releasing a trial, when the game is ready. I think its the same thing AoC is doing. Yes, until the expansion is fleshed out DFO isn't ready for a free trial yet.

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Well that's my point I'm trying to make. The only way they are going to sell many copies in North America will be to get some unsuspecting people to buy it, and a trial would hurt that effort. AoC has a free trial though last I checked, so I'm not sure what your point with that one is.

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by miagisan

LFGame » Darkfall goes GOLD (North American launch) July 13th - Try it

 

Sure, can you point me to the trial that was promised? Where can i try it without buying it?

 

Name 1 tripple A title that had a free trial at launch

Are you trying to imply that Darkfall is a AAA title? 

Tasos made the statement that everyone would have ample opportunity to TRY the game before paying a dime.

Besides that, Darkfall has launched already. So where is this trial 4+ months later?

Besides that, what does any other game out there have to do with Darkfall? That's right, not a thing.

Tasos touted that Darkfall would stand out from the crowd on it's own merit, so personally, I don't care what Eve, Shadowbane, DAoC, WAR, AoC, or any other game that has ever been released has done.

Please, stop pointing to other games for the shortcomings that Darkfall has.

To the OP:

Let Aventurine and whomever the publisher is going to be do the announcements please.

I keep saying this over and over, why do people find the need to defend shit games?

1. DF has fallen very short of what has been said the game would be

2. Very small community due to its increasing bugs, glitches, hackers, botters, etc.

3. If they could spend a bit more money on preventing things in "2." more people would be playing.

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The one thing that I can give DF is that the graphics are imo 7/10

Originally posted by Nadril

 

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Originally posted by xpiher

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Originally posted by Nadril

 

 

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Originally posted by xpiher
My point is that there hasn't been any game, that I can think of, that has been released in the last 3years that had a trial come out along with the game.

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It's been a while since darkfall released, hasn't it though. There is no reason other then them trying to hide it (and hoping on getting some unexpecting players to buy a half done product) to release a trial now. Most of the games to come out in the past 3 years, after all, released a trial after their game had gone into the crapper.

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By your logic, DFO has never been out of the crapper. DFO still plans on releasing a trial, when the game is ready. I think its the same thing AoC is doing. Yes, until the expansion is fleshed out DFO isn't ready for a free trial yet.

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Well that's my point I'm trying to make. The only way they are going to sell many copies in North America will be to get some unsuspecting people to buy it, and a trial would hurt that effort. AoC has a free trial though last I checked, so I'm not sure what your point with that one is.

I haven't been given my buy back time yet so I assumed that the trial wasn't given. When I stopped playing AoC in March, a trial wasn't avaible yet. Buddy trials don't count IMO. Either way, they didn't give the trial out until the game was "ready" And the game is worth buying, most people won't like the game, but then again most people don't like PvP centric MMOs and thats what DFO is and always will be even with player housing thats getting added.