I am not sure why you guys are attempting to apply subscription based metrics to a game that has more revenue streams than just subscriptions.

Then damming them for it.

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by eccoton

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Wow.. What an absolutely useless announcement. Registered user's doesn't mean anything, especially in a F2P game. AoC had "1.2 million boxes sold" and WAR had "700k accounts created". Companies release fluff statistics when the real statistics don't show a whole lot of success. I'd be curious to see how many accounts WoW has registered. Truth is if the game was doing amazing you would be hearing it up and down from SOE because we all know the rest of their games aren't doing well.

 A part of me wants to register an account and see if what Daff said is true(probably is), but the other part of me doesn't want to register an account so that SOE can't use me to fluff useless statistics any further.

4 million registered is not a useless announcement. Regardless of how many subscribe, how many game have 4 million registrations in about two months?  

 

Every asian grinder made in the last 5 years makes claims of that many or more after the first month.

Yes I realize that. Scions of Fate has over 70 million register users. I was refering to a western market for the most part. If we start talking about the Asian markert just about all western mmos accept WoW would be considered a failure. Many westerners do not know of the top mmos that are in Asian and European markets. Habbo Hotel is nipping at WoW feet closing in on 10 million players. Runescape is still pretty healthy with about 6 miilion registered. Club Penguin with around 5 million. People have dismissed my Hannah Montana comment but that age group has some of the strongest purchasing power of any age group. Here are a few revenue numbers for 2008 of course WOW tops the list 500 million plus earned. Some of these other games were a suprise. See a trend here? Well if you don't, SOE sure has.

Maple Story, launched 2003 - Genre/Platform: Asian MMORPG for kids, client install with 2D graphics
Revenue sources: Microtransactions, prepaid cards, international licensing
DFC estimated 2008 revenue: $150-$500,  87 million registered players and approx. 15 million regular players
 

Fantasy Westward Journey, launched 2004 - Genre/Platform: Asian MMORPG, client install with 2.5D graphics
Revenue sources: Prepaid cards
DFC estimated 2008 revenue: $150-$500 million
 

Shanda (company, includes Legend of Mir and World of Legend series), launched 2003 - Genre/Platform: Asian MMORPG, client install with 2.5 graphics
Revenue sources: Prepaid cards, virtual item sales, freemium subscriptions
DFC estimated 2008 revenue: $150-$500 million
 

Originally posted by eccoton 

I am not here to disporve anything you post. It simply does not matter to me. I let the readers make up their own minds and respond as they feel. I do not waste time trying to disprove anything anyone says even those I find present misleading information. I just speak my peace and try to leave it at that. So why do you think I would care enough to spend a lot of time disproving your claims even if I feel I can.

So explain one thing to me.

If you are not here to disprove anyone, then what is the point of this thread?  It is one giant attempt to disprove a group of people that don't see things through your special perspective.  You know the parts where you tell a bunch of people how they were wrong and you were right?   Not to mention that you are obviously trying to bait people into a discussion, so please don't cry about it.  You are getting exactly the responses you were looking for, because you think the press release = success.   

It does not matter how many people soe claims have registered an account for free realms.  10 servers speaks more than any speculation you can do about how awesome the game is doing.  10 servers can only accommodate so many people and soe has already removed the population display at the character login page.  They are already funneling everyone into server 1 by default, where they used to spread everyone around the 10 servers.  I'm not making this up, go look for yourself. 

The only thing claiming this game is crazy successful is soes press releases.  Everything else shows it to be less successful than most of their other titles.  10 servers with a tiny tiny gameworld.  8 servers always listed as low population.  Free realms has not added 1 single server for the last 3 million players they have claimed joined the game.  How do you explain that when they added 5 to handle the surge of players during the first million?

I think soe missed the mark with free realms, because upper management doesn't know how to make great games anymore.  Feel free to wave your banner high and proud, but please don't expect people to drink the kool aid along with you. 

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by eccoton 

I am not here to disporve anything you post. It simply does not matter to me. I let the readers make up their own minds and respond as they feel. I do not waste time trying to disprove anything anyone says even those I find present misleading information. I just speak my peace and try to leave it at that. So why do you think I would care enough to spend a lot of time disproving your claims even if I feel I can.

So explain one thing to me.

If you are not here to disprove anyone, then what is the point of this thread?  It is one giant attempt to disprove a group of people that don't see things through your special perspective.  You know the parts where you tell a bunch of people how they were wrong and you were right?   Not to mention that you are obviously trying to bait people into a discussion, so please don't cry about it.  You are getting exactly the responses you were looking for, because you think the press release = success.   

 

It does not matter how many people soe claims have registered an account for free realms.  10 servers speaks more than any speculation you can do about how awesome the game is doing.  10 servers can only accommodate so many people and soe has already removed the population display at the character login page.  They are already funneling everyone into server 1 by default, where they used to spread everyone around the 10 servers.  I'm not making this up, go look for yourself. 

The only thing claiming this game is crazy successful is soes press releases.  Everything else shows it to be less successful than most of their other titles.  10 servers with a tiny tiny gameworld.  8 servers always listed as low population.  Free realms has not added 1 single server for the last 3 million players they have claimed joined the game.  How do you explain that when they added 5 to handle the surge of players during the first million?

I think soe missed the mark with free realms, because upper management doesn't know how to make great games anymore.  Feel free to wave your banner high and proud, but please don't expect people to drink the kool aid along with you. 

 

 

Daffid011, this was not an attempt to disprove a whole group of people. This was a light thread with a title to get a little attention to start talking about Free Realms and whether or not it is considered a success. I happen to think it is and hope it will do better. It seems you really could careless about Free Realms and are here to prove me wrong. It is just chance it is Free Realms.

What I meant about not wasting time, is when you posted your times for crossing the game world I did not run in and try it myself to prove you wrong/right. I also have no reason to believe you were lieing about your test. I disagree with your assement of the landmass as not being as large as the largest zones in eq2. I am not disagreeing with the fact you think it is to small. I feel like it is about the size of the first areas of eq2 put together. Antonica, Commonlands, Nektelous Forest, and Thundering steppes. Is this area big? I think it is. Does it compare to the land mass of WOW? Nope, not even close. Free Realms is hardly comparable to a single zone in eg2 as you said. It also pales in comparison to the size of WoW. Anyone who plays these games as I do would know this.

Now remember we are talking about a game for kids. They have short attention spans at time, do they want to run past endless landscape void,  much like I do in LOTRO? No they do not. I do because it adds to the immersion of the experience. I also remember when LOTRO was released many screamed it was to small. What the smaller size of Free Realms does is make it so there is something to do almost anywhere. Yet the game is large enough to feel like you are exploring it not just a little meadow as you feel.  Can I prove this yes and no. Yes, try the game for yourself. You may feel it is to small but you will also see I am not trying to mislead anyone in my description of the overall size. No, I have no pictures, mileage, company statements, time trials, only my experience. That is what I mean about proving stuff.

I realize your cool-aid remark is an attempt at a joke. However it speaks to how you react to my posts. Do you really think I am waving some banner trying to sucker people to follow me to their doom in Free Realms? Do you really think I care that much about one game and proudly proclaim its greatness even if it sucks? I play EQ2, LOTRO, Guild Wars, Free Realms, and WoW currently, mostly  LOTRO. I will be going back to DDO Aug. 4th when it goes free. I am also looking forwad to Aion very much and Guild Wars 2. I like Free Realms a lot more then I thought I would. I hope it is a big success for SOE. I hope more people try it and find out it is a pretty good game and one of the few the entire family could play and enjoy. It is also an affordable game in my opinion. I think it is a great value for the fun I have had. For about 2 months now I have been having a lot of fun with Free Realms and it has cost me $10 so far. I find it a fantastic value. However I am ok with RMT, scalable subscription rates, and item malls not many here like them or are ready for them.

I like to talk about all types of mmos.  I am just a guy who loves mmos just like you. I try to give a fair assesment of the games I write about. I am not here to prove, disporove, insult (not intentionally), ridicule, lie, deny, bait, mislead, SOE worship, anyone into trying any game. You think I am baiting because you distrust SOE so much that anything postitive said about them is baiting especially when it comes from me ( the biggest hypocrite on these forums). You may have saw it as baiting but that was not the intention behind it. I maybe wrong but if it was baiting wouldn't a moderator close the thread? Frankly there is so little activity on the Free Realms Forums I was suprise anyone really responded. SOE is just another company to me like Turbine or Blizzard. I simply am a satisfied customer. Just like I am a customer of Blizzard, Turbine, and NCSoft. Just here to talk about another game I like.

Originally posted by eccoton

Nanachub, these comments were directed at responding to Daffid011. You do not know our history or you would know why I mention he could just ignore me. I was not saying ignore the things you find wrong in the forums. I was specifically suggesting Daffid011 ignore me since every time he response it is just showing what a hypocrite I am of how everything I say is wrong. I simply would think he would be tired of me by know based on  how he depicts me and my posts.

Sure the second paragraph makes sense I was saying in a different way for about the tenth time to Daffid011 I am not spending hours researching everything he posts here. Why? This is casual. My feelings on SOE and there games is based on playing them for years. I was also saying i read a lot of things that are misrepresented on the forums but I do not feel the need to disprove anything. By the way I am right about Free Realms but can I actually prove it to someone who does not even play the game without true numbers from SOE? Nope of course not. I could post a bunch of screen shot showing huge groups of players but what would that prove? Do you get my point now?

If you do not understand the Hannah Montana idea then I can not explain it to you. I am interested in not only playing this game but how it has been marketed. I also was trying to point out this game is not like most of the mmos here or for most of the members of mmorpg.com now what is so hard to understand. If you do not get it then you have no idea about who and what Free Realms was designed for. Many here think it will fail because it was not made for them. Well it wasn't it was made for the same audience as the Hannah Montana crowd that spend billions on her merchandise. Just because more hardcore players like Daffid011 do not like a game they think it will fail. Some here think they are so important because the played EQ or UO back in the day that all mmos need to cater to them to be a success. Wrong!

My original point was clear Free Realms is a success so far, plain and simple based on what I see in game. I never claimed it was based on anything more then SOE announcement of 4 million subscribers, numerous great reviews by many game publications, and actual ingame experience since release. I was also making the point none of us including you or Daffid011 have any idea of real numbers and some lame screen shot means nothing about numbers. The original idea was to let the Free Realms doubters know that SOE has hit on a winning idea here. I am not polar opposite of everyone who has played the game. Read the forums here a lot of people love this game. I am the polar opposite to daffid011. If you knew this then this post you dismiss would make more sense. This has been going on with Daffid011 I would say well over a year now. I see you have only been a member of these forums for a little over a year now. Well this stuff about SOE has been going on for about 4 years now. Dealing with this stuff for that long might help you understand some of my points and tone used in my thread . Many here, regardless of how good a SOE game is or how many people enjoy it want to see it fail and will claim it is a failure year after year. There is also no doubt I like to ruffle the "haters" feathers a bit within appropriate forum guide lines. However unlike the "haters" I only comment on games I play.

You say that SOE's information is always a spin? Prove it. The Haters have always claimed these things but never proved it. The point I was making is that I do not think everything people post here can be proven or needs to be. We can make up our own minds about what we read especailly when we have actually played the game. You have not even played the game. Try actually playing the game for a week then return here with your proof that Free Realms is a failure as Daffid011 is claiming. Explore other game site and forums you will find a lot of happy Free Realms people. Seems like a success to me.

Thats cool man :), I hear where you are coming from now.

The spin bit I will still disagree with tho :P but I hear ya

Daffodil11 actually posted proof of her arguments with the screenshot of the server list, so I would tend to side with her.  Evidence and proof goes a long way in proving a point.

I'm a registered player...I've logged in only for the free stuff. So yeah, that registered players number doesn't necessarily reflect much.

But what I find hilarious about the original post is that this somehow puts them at the "forefront" of MMO's. WTF? So many of their games have shut down, and now because they've released a free game (and let's face it, people like free stuff) that people are registering for, they're suddenly redeemed? Dang. If Free Realms was a P2P this would be a very different topic. Let's face it.

Originally posted by eccoton 

Daffid011, this was not an attempt to disprove a whole group of people. This was a light thread with a title to get a little attention to start talking about Free Realms and whether or not it is considered a success. I happen to think it is and hope it will do better. It seems you really could careless about Free Realms and are here to prove me wrong. It is just chance it is Free Realms.

What I meant about not wasting time, is when you posted your times for crossing the game world I did not run in and try it myself to prove you wrong/right. I also have no reason to believe you were lieing about your test. I disagree with your assement of the landmass as not being as large as the largest zones in eq2. I am not disagreeing with the fact you think it is to small. I feel like it is about the size of the first areas of eq2 put together. Antonica, Commonlands, Nektelous Forest, and Thundering steppes. Is this area big? I think it is. Does it compare to the land mass of WOW? Nope, not even close. Free Realms is hardly comparable to a single zone in eg2 as you said. It also pales in comparison to the size of WoW. Anyone who plays these games as I do would know this.

Now remember we are talking about a game for kids. They have short attention spans at time, do they want to run past endless landscape void,  much like I do in LOTRO? No they do not. I do because it adds to the immersion of the experience. I also remember when LOTRO was released many screamed it was to small. What the smaller size of Free Realms does is make it so there is something to do almost anywhere. Yet the game is large enough to feel like you are exploring it not just a little meadow as you feel.  Can I prove this yes and no. Yes, try the game for yourself. You may feel it is to small but you will also see I am not trying to mislead anyone in my description of the overall size. No, I have no pictures, mileage, company statements, time trials, only my experience. That is what I mean about proving stuff.

I realize your cool-aid remark is an attempt at a joke. However it speaks to how you react to my posts. Do you really think I am waving some banner trying to sucker people to follow me to their doom in Free Realms? Do you really think I care that much about one game and proudly proclaim its greatness even if it sucks? I play EQ2, LOTRO, Guild Wars, Free Realms, and WoW currently, mostly  LOTRO. I will be going back to DDO Aug. 4th when it goes free. I am also looking forwad to Aion very much and Guild Wars 2. I like Free Realms a lot more then I thought I would. I hope it is a big success for SOE. I hope more people try it and find out it is a pretty good game and one of the few the entire family could play and enjoy. It is also an affordable game in my opinion. I think it is a great value for the fun I have had. For about 2 months now I have been having a lot of fun with Free Realms and it has cost me $10 so far. I find it a fantastic value. However I am ok with RMT, scalable subscription rates, and item malls not many here like them or are ready for them.

I like to talk about all types of mmos.  I am just a guy who loves mmos just like you. I try to give a fair assesment of the games I write about. I am not here to prove, disporove, insult (not intentionally), ridicule, lie, deny, bait, mislead, SOE worship, anyone into trying any game. You think I am baiting because you distrust SOE so much that anything postitive said about them is baiting especially when it comes from me ( the biggest hypocrite on these forums). You may have saw it as baiting but that was not the intention behind it. I maybe wrong but if it was baiting wouldn't a moderator close the thread? Frankly there is so little activity on the Free Realms Forums I was suprise anyone really responded. SOE is just another company to me like Turbine or Blizzard. I simply am a satisfied customer. Just like I am a customer of Blizzard, Turbine, and NCSoft. Just here to talk about another game I like.

Ecco,

Nothing about your original post was about how enjoyable free realms is and how you think people should give it a chance.  The entire post was pure flame bait where you are doing some little dance, because you think "You said Free Realms would be a huge hit for SOE and help position them at the forfront of mmos again." and you "I think all the SOE "haters" need a new job".  I'm sorry you got called out for exactly what you posted, but don't try to rewrite history and spin this as other peoples doing.  (A moderator might close the thread if things got out of hand, off topic or someone reports it.  Maybe none of those have happened yet).  Honestly, go read your original post and then read the quote above and see the just how far apart your original post was and what you are claiming it is now.

Anyone can see the tone you posted and the subject matter.  This isn't about me think free realms is a failure (your words, not mine, please stop putting words in my mouth ok?).  I do however very much disagree with all of your banner waving and triumnphant cheers, because the facts and even the anecdotal evidence disagrees with you.  I just don't think free realms is the raging success that people think it is and the only think that suggests it is successful is a few press releases claiming some huge number of people signed up for an account that is free.

My comment about the size of the LARGEST eq2 zones might be off (I was going on what I have read eq2 players say about some of the recent expansion zones and their size, not the original game), but free realms is roughly as large as one, just one, of the bigger wow zones.  Don't twist my statements into comments about the entire size of wow or that I am somehow making those observation as a point about the quality of the game.  Once again you completely missed the point and filled it in with the assumptions you think I would say.   My comments about the size of the gameworld only relate to how many people can be in game.  The landmass is small, so if there were "tons" of people playing as you say, then the world would be overflowing with players.  I only mention the size of the gameworld for logistical reasons, because if you only have 10 servers and a small gameworld, but make claims of roughly 500,000 NEW people joining every week then where on earth is everyone?  I can log into 8 our of the 10 servers any day any time and find a very empty server.  The only reason there is any server right now with more than a handful of people to be seen, is because soe changed the server login option to always default to server 1.

As to your original statements about bold move for soe to include RMT and it looking to be a success, I have to disagree.  I think it has once again clouded their ability to focus on making a GREAT game and it isn't proving to be to successful.  Their revenue focus seems to be the majority of the companies problems for the last several years.  
 

I've also thought that there was some disconnect between what soe is saying and what I'm seeing.  I think the Freerealms world is great and it seems reasonably large to me.  However with the huge numbers of players I'd expect to see a lot more people in the game.  I mean when I've played it I see an occasional person or two...  Nothing like say runes of magic or wizard 101.  Both of those games are pretty much packed with people all over.

Free Realms is a pretty amazing game but I found it overall lacking in any direction.  I've heard that it was build this way by design to appeal to younger people.  So for me it kinda wasn't that interesting.  I did think it was fun with some very good quality minigames and some of the dungeon instances were well scripted and interesting.  But it didn't feel like there was enough to it...

Based on the high numbers registered and the low numbers playing I'm guessing I'm not the only one that has that feeling that something is lacking.  I'm guessing that a lot of people have registered to try it but aren't staying with it.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Realms

Free realms released April 29th

Reached 4 million users July 1st

So in 64 days, soe is claming 4,000,000 users have signed up for free realms.  Almost half a million new players each week.  Sounds like a success doesn't it?

That averages 62,500 new players joining the game every day, or 6,250 new players joining each server each day.

How can it be anything other than a huge success with those numbers?

Until you look at anything that is not related to the press release.

The game has 10 servers.  1 at medium and 1 at high during peak hours and the other 8 are practically empty.

If this were any other mmo that was posting these stats people would not call it a success.  What game claims to have 62k new people joining every day consistantly for over 2 months and cannot fill up at least 1 server? 

How many successful games only have 2 servers with any real population on them?  That doesn't even measure up to conan, warhammer, tabula rasa or even vanguard during their second month. 

The original posters points to forums here as an example of where to see posts by "many people enjoying the game", but it has only had 6 total posts in the month of July and that includes this wonderful thread. 

The official free realm forums have 92 people viewing it right now.  Registered and unregistered combined.  It rarely breaks 100 people viewing it, ever. 

If you strip away the press releases that claim millions of people have registered for an account, nothing about this game says huge or successful.

This may or may not be related to Free Realms, but clearly SOE isn't rolling in cash.

http://www.massively.com/2009/07/17/breaking-news-sony-online-entertainment-lays-off-41-full-time-w/#continued

Originally posted by veritas_X

This may or may not be related to Free Realms, but clearly SOE isn't rolling in cash.

http://www.massively.com/2009/07/17/breaking-news-sony-online-entertainment-lays-off-41-full-time-w/#continued

messed up the edit...nvm

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by eccoton

Well just can not help it. I told you so! It was a few months ago I said that Free Realms would be a huge hit for SOE and help position them at the forfront of mmos again. I remember people here laughing at me and going into all the Smedly crap. Well with over 4,000,000 register players already my prediction was correct. With DC Universe and The Agency coming out, both of which look great I think all the SOE "haters" need a new job. You have been working hard to kill SOE since SWG-NGE and you did not even put a dent in them. Free Realms is a great game for all ages and experience levels. SOE made a bold move to go more to RMT in games and it looks like it will pay off, get use to it, it also looks like it is the future of mmos. Congrats SOE with Free Realms you deserve it. Your hard works shows in this game. Now make me a Free Realms for adults.
 

 

Registered players mean crap. Hell, I'm registered. You know how many times I've logged in? At the 1 million, 2 million, and 3 million mark. Just to get the free crap. That's 3 times. Haven't spent a dime and haven't ever left the first area.

Ya people read into what they want and obviously SOE wants positive press.  I'm not saying anything bad about Free Realms.

There is a difference between "registered user" and "user paying for something".

I'd be more than happy for SOE if most of those 4 million accounts were paying something.  Yet when I consider they just announced reducing their full time work force by 5% (SOE specific).. I would tend to think most of those accounts are not paying.

Originally posted by BarCrow

Originally posted by veritas_X

This may or may not be related to Free Realms, but clearly SOE isn't rolling in cash.

http://www.massively.com/2009/07/17/breaking-news-sony-online-entertainment-lays-off-41-full-time-w/#continued

 

Yeah...SOE and  hundreds of thousands of other companies.  Read a newspaper. It's called a recession. You can't  single out one turd in a world of shit and expect it to support your argument. If most everything else was a bountiful bouquet and SOE one of the few weeds..then fine...but businesses , in general, are all suffering these days.

Thanks captain obvious.  I'm well aware of the recession, seeing as how I've had to let a couple of my own employees go over the past couple of months.  Sorry if my pointing out an interesting factoid distresses you.

Originally posted by junzo316

Daffodil11 actually posted proof of her arguments with the screenshot of the server list, so I would tend to side with her.  Evidence and proof goes a long way in proving a point.

I'm with the crowd who is saying registered users doesnt mean much. MMORPG.com has almost 1.1 million registered users, yet i dont see more then 500 online at once.

Originally posted by Vendayn

didn't you hear? Hating microsoft is old news...its now cool to hate SOE! 

 

umm welcome to 4 years ago ....

Originally posted by veritas_X

Originally posted by BarCrow

Originally posted by veritas_X

This may or may not be related to Free Realms, but clearly SOE isn't rolling in cash.

http://www.massively.com/2009/07/17/breaking-news-sony-online-entertainment-lays-off-41-full-time-w/#continued

 

Yeah...SOE and  hundreds of thousands of other companies.  Read a newspaper. It's called a recession. You can't  single out one turd in a world of shit and expect it to support your argument. If most everything else was a bountiful bouquet and SOE one of the few weeds..then fine...but businesses , in general, are all suffering these days.

 

Thanks captain obvious.  I'm well aware of the recession, seeing as how I've had to let a couple of my own employees go over the past couple of months.  Sorry if my pointing out an interesting factoid distresses you.

..You're welcome...I would find it an interesting factoid if a hundreds of other companies were not also laying off personal. ..or if it didn't seem like another "SOE is losing money left and right simply because they are SOE " post based off  the fact that their employees are losing  their jobs .....in a recession..shocking. ..and you call me Captain Obvious.

Originally posted by BarCrow

Originally posted by veritas_X

Originally posted by BarCrow

Originally posted by veritas_X

This may or may not be related to Free Realms, but clearly SOE isn't rolling in cash.

http://www.massively.com/2009/07/17/breaking-news-sony-online-entertainment-lays-off-41-full-time-w/#continued

 

Yeah...SOE and  hundreds of thousands of other companies.  Read a newspaper. It's called a recession. You can't  single out one turd in a world of shit and expect it to support your argument. If most everything else was a bountiful bouquet and SOE one of the few weeds..then fine...but businesses , in general, are all suffering these days.

 

Thanks captain obvious.  I'm well aware of the recession, seeing as how I've had to let a couple of my own employees go over the past couple of months.  Sorry if my pointing out an interesting factoid distresses you.

..You're welcome...I would find it an interesting factoid if a hundreds of other companies were not also laying off personal. ..or if it didn't seem like another "SOE is losing money left and right simply because they are SOE " post based off  the fact that their employees are losing  their jobs .....in a recession..shocking. ..and you call me Captain Obvious.

Perhaps it seemed that way to you because you were looking for conflict?  What I posted was as neutral as you can get with regard to presenting facts about SOE, and might have been an interesting factoid to those who hadn't yet heard about it, given the way SOE is trumpeting their success with Free Realms.

You're right about one thing though, captain obvious probably wasn't the descriptor for you.  Dickhead might be a little closer to the mark.

Originally posted by BarCrow

Originally posted by veritas_X

Originally posted by BarCrow

Originally posted by veritas_X

This may or may not be related to Free Realms, but clearly SOE isn't rolling in cash.

http://www.massively.com/2009/07/17/breaking-news-sony-online-entertainment-lays-off-41-full-time-w/#continued

 

Yeah...SOE and  hundreds of thousands of other companies.  Read a newspaper. It's called a recession. You can't  single out one turd in a world of shit and expect it to support your argument. If most everything else was a bountiful bouquet and SOE one of the few weeds..then fine...but businesses , in general, are all suffering these days.

 

Thanks captain obvious.  I'm well aware of the recession, seeing as how I've had to let a couple of my own employees go over the past couple of months.  Sorry if my pointing out an interesting factoid distresses you.

..You're welcome...I would find it an interesting factoid if a hundreds of other companies were not also laying off personal. ..or if it didn't seem like another "SOE is losing money left and right simply because they are SOE " post based off  the fact that their employees are losing  their jobs .....in a recession..shocking. ..and you call me Captain Obvious.

Yes they did and for good reason.

The OP was trying to imply that SOE had millions of people paying to play Free Realms.  As opposed to registered "free accounts"...

Using that implication.. Free Realms would be making more money monthly than EVERY other MMO SOE has ever had combined.  So yes it would be a bit shocking that anyone got laid off...

In the sense of reality no its not shocking.  Your reply about the "real" current economic condition is correct.  It just has nothing to do with the topic here.  Tthis thread was started by a specific person, about a specific topic and a specific implication they made.  The other responses were in response to the OP and the implication they made.

I'm not sure why you don't somehow quite grasp that....

*edited to add*

A free realms subscription is around $5 if you buy nothing else.  4 million X $5 = 20 million a month.

EQ1 at its peak had around 450,000 subscribers...  which at basicly $15 each would be:  6,750,000 a month.

Which is the basis of the OP implication versus why lay anyone off at the moment.

The main issue being your response was outside of the Original Post because you didn't like what someone said.. as opposed to seeing it as a reply to something you apparantly were ok with (even tho it made no sense).

Originally posted by BarCrow 

..You're welcome...I would find it an interesting factoid if a hundreds of other companies were not also laying off personal. ..or if it didn't seem like another "SOE is losing money left and right simply because they are SOE " post based off  the fact that their employees are losing  their jobs .....in a recession..shocking. ..and you call me Captain Obvious.

Is it possible for you to type a simple sentence without sounding like you're on the warpath 24/7?

The poster posted something related to SOE in a completely neutral fashion, then you go on the attack accusing he/she of singling out SOE to "support their argument." What argument exactly? The fact that they aren't rolling in cash? Then yes, the poster was indeed correct. If they were rolling in cash, regardless of the recession or not, they wouldn't be laying off people.