Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Soon as people started getting to 18-20, it was a mass exodus to the new zones where PvP awaited. Tonight was crazy as both sides used all sorts of tactics to eliminate the opposing side. From strategically placed Kisks ( portable spawn obelisks ) to flanking from canyon walls and everyones favorite, the baiting into the massive zerg.

For me, my favorite was taking a small 9 man team into the enemies zone and running around taking out groups of 2-6. Eventually they would try to zerg us, but we'd run around in front of the zerg still killing Elyos while being chased. One of us got it on Fraps, so I can't wait to watch it. Must have been frustrating as hell to watch your fellow Daeva's being slaughtered while trying to catch us, lol.

8 more hours of mayhem left!!

Maybe im not seeing what you yourself posted right, My favorite was taking a small 9 man team and running around taking out groups of 2-6. Sorry if i miss read your own words.

Sounds like you had some fun.  It doesn't seem to be all about numbers in this game.  If you check out kilkil2's thread with the video he has they, as a full group of 6, defeated something like 18 enemies, and then later in the video an entire force (24 people).  They had a lot of planning and are very skillfull players(you can tell by watching the video), but it is really nice to see skillfull players being able to overcome those kind of odds.

Originally posted by Elsabolts

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Soon as people started getting to 18-20, it was a mass exodus to the new zones where PvP awaited. Tonight was crazy as both sides used all sorts of tactics to eliminate the opposing side. From strategically placed Kisks ( portable spawn obelisks ) to flanking from canyon walls and everyones favorite, the baiting into the massive zerg.

For me, my favorite was taking a small 9 man team into the enemies zone and running around taking out groups of 2-6. Eventually they would try to zerg us, but we'd run around in front of the zerg still killing Elyos while being chased. One of us got it on Fraps, so I can't wait to watch it. Must have been frustrating as hell to watch your fellow Daeva's being slaughtered while trying to catch us, lol.

8 more hours of mayhem left!!

 

Maybe im not seeing what you yourself posted right, My favorite was taking a small 9 man team and running around taking out groups of 2-6. Sorry if i miss read your own words.

Perhaps if you tried reading the next line after that one eh? See the word They and Zerg in the same sentence?

Originally posted by Elsabolts

Originally posted by charlizd

Originally posted by Elsabolts

Again i want to point out that the OP was out looking to gank, folks will not put up with that all the time or at least not for long. Devs need to balance this part out.

It is Balanced, Rifts only open at certain times, in random area's throughout the map, you will not see mass ganking fest going on lol, ppl will call for help and ppl will come, the Abyss is PVP central, it is inevitable that it will happen here but like someone said, survival of the fittest, kill or be killed.

You actually get Quest in game to infiltrate the Opposing factions homeland, you will encounter ppl along the way if you don't kill them they will kill you. It isnot Ganking it is merely clearing the path of the Obstacles that lay in your way to your Quest location, i'm sure you would kill a mob that was in your way, why not a PC.

 

If this is the case then i can live with that i would have a choice on entering the area knowing i could get ganked. If pvp is not a choice then your gonna lose folks.

I can guarantee this will be nothing like what AoC was when it released, Yes you will be ganked, but at the same time you yourself will gank, even if you come across and Asmo/Elyos in your home land, they may have been harmlessley doing a quest when BAM you stick a shiny lil Dagger between his eye's and makes his pretty lil Wings cover his head in shame for invading your turf. In a sense that is still ganking??

Yes they may lose ppl becauswe they don't like to be ganked but then again if they research the game they will learn that hey this game is a PVPVE game PVP = Yes PVE= yes, you get both. Trust me i was never a PVP fan but it balances out well in this game and has made me personally love it. i actually find myself rolling on PVP servers for other games now too lol.

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Originally posted by Elsabolts

Most folks will not pay to be ganked and all the posts that have been on this site saying so will cost the company in renewed subs. Well except if they intend on only getting initial sales like Funcom did with AOC. There needs to be a balance if there is not the game subs will suffer.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by being ganked as that has nothing to do with zerging. Being ganked equates to not having a chance / choice in your defeat. Fighting a zerg requires skill which long time DAoC fans know quite a bit about. Zergs are advantageous only to an extent. Eventually, people get bored, anxious and impatient and they make mistakes. It's not impossible to defeat overwhelming odds as it just requires a talented group of players.

are you serious

ex lineage 2 and then after that guild wars have a huge advantage ,dont believe it you better

because the way im reading they re gona apply what they learned in thosa past game and put it to use

a new gamer come there to bad he and all his friend are dead

and i can say there are a lot of very highly skilled pro strategist coming out of guild wars

i hope average jowe doesnt suffer for your pvp fix bcause you ll end up solo fast

if  ncsoft at least have big warning like

warning you are entering a war zone

like wow there were area we knew  pvp was intense

(stranglethorn vale anyone)wow called it contested territory

but everyone knew what could happen so you very rarelly saw a solo player

but it might be different in aion case because there will be a lot of pro pvp player coming out of  guild wars

and guild wars pvp is a lot harder then wow

it take a massive amount of strategy in gw ,lol in wow you just hit and spank with whatever you got

thats not the case in gw each team build is a strategy masterpiece that often took a long while to build

Originally posted by charlizd

Originally posted by Elsabolts

Originally posted by charlizd

Originally posted by Elsabolts

Again i want to point out that the OP was out looking to gank, folks will not put up with that all the time or at least not for long. Devs need to balance this part out.

It is Balanced, Rifts only open at certain times, in random area's throughout the map, you will not see mass ganking fest going on lol, ppl will call for help and ppl will come, the Abyss is PVP central, it is inevitable that it will happen here but like someone said, survival of the fittest, kill or be killed.

You actually get Quest in game to infiltrate the Opposing factions homeland, you will encounter ppl along the way if you don't kill them they will kill you. It isnot Ganking it is merely clearing the path of the Obstacles that lay in your way to your Quest location, i'm sure you would kill a mob that was in your way, why not a PC.

 

If this is the case then i can live with that i would have a choice on entering the area knowing i could get ganked. If pvp is not a choice then your gonna lose folks.

I can guarantee this will be nothing like what AoC was when it released, Yes you will be ganked, but at the same time you yourself will gank, even if you come across and Asmo/Elyos in your home land, they may have been harmlessley doing a quest when BAM you stick a shiny lil Dagger between his eye's and makes his pretty lil Wings cover his head in shame for invading your turf. In a sense that is still ganking??

Yes they may lose ppl becauswe they don't like to be ganked but then again if they research the game they will learn that hey this game is a PVPVE game PVP = Yes PVE= yes, you get both. Trust me i was never a PVP fan but it balances out well in this game and has made me personally love it. i actually find myself rolling on PVP servers for other games now too lol.

your probably right

Originally posted by charlizd

 they may have been harmlessley doing a quest when BAM you stick a shiny lil Dagger between his eye's and makes his pretty lil Wings cover his head in shame for invading your turf.

Or you could have just said you can get them back...

Yeah I dont think alot understand Aion. You have no choice at times. And OP.. please .. nine man team taking out 2-6 is very clear.. you just keep changing the story. Yet we can find Utube clips of this going on all the time.

Myself I dont like it. Well PVP yes but to go through a rift just to fight someone that is not ready .. not even knowing whats going on.. to easy..  kiddie pvp.. like taking 9 group after 2-6. Unless your nine man are morons you will win each time. For people that like this they should just give them the pvp points.

I remember playing Warhammer when you could not find anyone to go pvp and there was 15 of them and just me.. At 1st they just wiped my butt.. but by the 3rd time lmao.. they would send just one out at a time.. was really fun..

But to just go kill noobs.... thats not hardcore.. its not even pvp. Now going through a rift where their the same level or higher ahh then its a different story. But they will be looking for those doing quests so your not ready and kill you easy..

But if you have read up .. Aion is looking to change this..

Originally posted by Zeblade

Yeah I dont think alot understand Aion. You have no choice at times. And OP.. please .. nine man team taking out 2-6 is very clear.. you just keep changing the story. Yet we can find Utube clips of this going on all the time.

Myself I dont like it. Well PVP yes but to go through a rift just to fight someone that is not ready .. not even knowing whats going on.. to easy..  kiddie pvp.. like taking 9 group after 2-6. Unless your nine man are morons you will win each time. For people that like this they should just give them the pvp points.

I remember playing Warhammer when you could not find anyone to go pvp and there was 15 of them and just me.. At 1st they just wiped my butt.. but by the 3rd time lmao.. they would send just one out at a time.. was really fun..

But to just go kill noobs.... thats not hardcore.. its not even pvp. Now going through a rift where their the same level or higher ahh then its a different story. But they will be looking for those doing quests so your not ready and kill you easy..

But if you have read up .. Aion is looking to change this..

Ok, I guess I need to explain this to everyone that joins in on the discussion. First of all, last night started with 20-30 Elyos vs 20-30 Asmodae in our zone Morheim. Eventually some Asmodae got bored and left cause Elyos have a friendly area in our zone with mobs that aggro us. So that was their strategy, to utilize a multitude of mobs to defeat us. Then they did guerilla tactics near our city in Morheim doing exactly what we did in their zone, 6+ sized groups vs. folks trying to PvE.

It's not like I started the night out in their zone with a 9 man team killing solo enemies. It's not like the ones we killed didn't come after us with 20 friends to try and kill us. Why is it I get branded as a ganker when they had way more people in both zones? People need to realize this is a PvP game and if your side doesn't want to wipe out the competition, oh well.

And no, 99% of the people PvPing tonight were all 20. So its not like we had some sort of level advantage. Just because we were able to dodge a 20 man zerg with our 9 man geurilla team doesn't make us gankers. It was very possible for them to surround us at a multitude of occasions. We just happened to know where to go, when to glide away and so forth. Hit and run tactics vs. a larger group, which is what we were doing is not ganking, it's called being smarter than your enemy.

I'm going to have to agree with the OP here.  Why do you guys consider that ganking? 

Point #1- Its the PvP war zone...anything goes.

Point #2- The OP has stated numerous times that he was dodging a zerg and picking off the groups that didn't keep up with guerilla tactics.  A nessessary and great way to take down a larger force in a PvP fight.

Point #3- Was the OP just supposed to stand around with his 9 man team and wait for another 9 man team to assemble in front of him and both groups charge and fight to last man?  Sorry this is not BG WoW or WAR...this is an open PvP zone where all types of war tactics will be used depending on this situation. 

Point #4- A 4-6 man group with great synergy can easily take down an over aggressive 9 man team.  I've been able to 1 v 3 in past PvP games...so nothing is impossible.

Last Point- Aion is not WoW, or WAR, or AoC, or GW.  It has elements of all of them...as all MMORPG's share similarities...but it is different.  The way ganking occurs in the other games may or may not occur in this game.  People need to stop saying that if Aion doesn't evolve into a more mainstream way of thinking, that it will lose subs.  We can't predict the future, but if you 'read up on it' you can clearly see Aion is going to have a polished and clean launch...since its already a HUGE hit in the East.

Now Aion won't apply to all Westerners once it releases, and NCsoft knows this.  But what they will do is release a clean game with all the promises intended, so you know what your getting yourself into if a little research is done on your behalf.  Thats going to be a huge change for MMO's since post- WoW.  That's why I'm interested, and thats why I'll give it a try.

I swear some people think pvp should involve sending a tell to players politely asking if there are ready to fight otherwise it must be ganking.

I'd class myself as a carebear PvP'er since i prefer some safe areas especially respawn points but i don't class this as ganking. If I die in my own zone you can bet i am going to go back and hunt that person down and if they had friends i'll bring mine and inform my own race to be on the lookout.

Are people that afraid of death it really ruins a game for them? Being spawn camped i can agree but just a random attack that kills you.

I love the sound of this, breaks up the monotony of the grind.

Originally posted by Mykell

I swear some people think pvp should involve sending a tell to players politely asking if there are ready to fight otherwise it must be ganking.

I'd class myself as a carebear PvP'er since i prefer some safe areas especially respawn points but i don't class this as ganking. If I die in my own zone you can bet i am going to go back and hunt that person down and if they had friends i'll bring mine and inform my own race to be on the lookout.

Are people that afraid of death it really ruins a game for them? Being spawn camped i can agree but just a random attack that kills you.

I love the sound of this, breaks up the monotony of the grind.

Couldn't agree more. These peeps must think that someone at NCSoft said this will be a WoWkiller, unfortunately it was only in their (the peeps here) minds. This game bills itself as a PvPvE game. If you notice the PvP in there, then you should not be surprised when people want to PvP you in this game. Btw, I failed to see how the OP was "ganking" folks. His group didn't go to the low end areas and kill lowbies, they went were the game allowed them to go via a rift and joined the fun.

If you want PvP like WoW... then go play WoW or whatever game you enjoy. Its childish to post in this forum that this game will fail due to features you do not believe you will enjoy.

Cheers!

I have played in both CB2 and CB3 without seeing any of the dark race. Buit I can honestly say that they will lose 3 pre orders if we can not lvl to cap without getting killed by PVP. We where in Lineage2 for many years and we will not go back to being randomly killed while lvling. I absolutly want a game like Aion but with a LOTRO outlook on PvP. Meaning, there is a PVP zone "the Core" and you only freely PvP on the zone. Other than that just ask me for a dual and we can go 1 on 1 without your friends.

Originally posted by robbinsj

I have played in both CB2 and CB3 without seeing any of the dark race. Buit I can honestly say that they will lose 3 pre orders if we can not lvl to cap without getting killed by PVP. We where in Lineage2 for many years and we will not go back to being randomly killed while lvling. I absolutly want a game like Aion but with a LOTRO outlook on PvP. Meaning, there is a PVP zone "the Core" and you only freely PvP on the zone. Other than that just ask me for a dual and we can go 1 on 1 without your friends.

This is not LotRO . This is Aion. If you want to play a game like LotRO, go play LotRO.

For those of you not fully aware of how PvP works in this game, heres some useful tidbits.

#1- You can level from 1-20 without ever seeing an enemy and maybe higher if you grind out every single quest.

#2 - You can gain XP ( 1/3 to 1/4 of PvEing XP ) from gathering and crafting so theoretically you can reach level 50 without ever going into a PvP area. The amount of XP you gain from crafting increases as you do higher level jobs and / or crafts.

#3 - When you reach a PvPvE zone, there are certain measures that prevent excessive zerging.

• Rifts that open up between zones have a limit to how many people can come through. For the level 20-40 zone, it was 45 people.
• As people kill more and more of the opposing faction, the game keeps track and eventually, they will get flagged with a reward as well as location revealed to enemy on the map.
• You can't bind in an enemy zone, but you can purchase portable obelisks which allow up to 6 people to bind to it with a limited number of rezzes for up to 2 hours. ( Kisks allow up to 6 people and 18 rezzes for a cost of 34,500 Kinah )

#4 - Portals have a level limit as well, so dont expect anyone over 20 levels your senior to be paying you a visit.

#5 - Portals are temporary and spawn in random areas, so you have to find them before they disappear to even make use of em.

It's going to be crazy on CB4, but yall won't be doing it that much in Retail, because the chains will be off your hands and feet. Not only that there will be A ton of ppl in the area to stop enemy wanderers. You will do good if you play smart.

Originally posted by Elsabolts

The OP was looking to gank folks thats what i was commenting on. He even said so.

And how would the OP know there lvl (you can't see it on screen).  What you must understand is aion is a pvp game, If you decide to go out and pve solo then your fair game. ~what you do is your choice~

If you don't like this type of set up in a game, then you should not be playing it . ~ your choice~

There have been quit a few hardcore PVE players that took part in the rift raids during this beta and came away stoked and excited about the PVP aspects of this game !!! < That is saying more to me than anything else.

Originally posted by robbinsj

Buit I can honestly say that they will lose 3 pre orders if we can not lvl to cap without getting killed by PVP.

Then go ahead and cancel. This game is billed as PvPvE. Very clearly, very obviously. Rifts do open up to/from the other side from time to time, and the other side can come over.

I don't know why people would pre-order a game knowing absolutely nothing about it apparently.

meh it will still turn into zerg vs zerg during normal hours of play time.

And 99% of the time, the side with a bigger zerg will win. IE the Elyos or whatever, since they are the "good" side.

I don't get the issue here. Traveling around in a PvP zone and fighting other GROUPS of people is not ganking. Whether that group is smaller or bigger makes no difference. ANY PvP game you play will be the same exact way, and if you don't like it, stick to PvE. I hate ganking, so I never do it, but I never cry when it happens to me. Its the way a game like this works... and revenge is so sweet.