I had a great time in CoX for 5 years, going back to WAR now, having a great time. 

There is much I like about WAR don't see why it's the most hated MMO ever created.  I have much more fun with it than I do with WoW, even though that isn't saying much.  

So, yes I like them.

Originally posted by veritas_X

Originally posted by cfurlin

Originally posted by kiddyno071

While I tend to believe that the subject is not so black and white... as like or not.  I think that maybe folks expect too much from what are essentially only a game. 

QFT

What you expect out of an MMO is directly proportional to what LITTLE you expect out your real life.

People who take games (yes, MMOs are g-a-m-e-s) too seriously need mental health counseling.

 

Horseshit.

And an overly simpliistic generatlization.  Let me illustrate why.

In my 'real life,' I'm a veteran airline pilot and make damn good money at an enjoyable career.  On the side, I run my own small business (successful in its own right, but totally separate from my day job) and play just about every mmo that comes down the pipe, in the hopes that one of them will be more world than game.

The perception is out there that people who are hardcore into mmo's like I am, that view them as more than 'games' in fact, have no 'real life.'  This is patently false, as I'm married to a beautiful woman and as I said before, not hurting in terms of finances or material comforts.

You get out of mmo's (and anything else) what you put into them.  If you go in with the mindset of 'its just a game,' that's exactly what you'll get out of it, and that's fine.  But don't presume to know anything about my mental state because I take games more seriously than you do.  I'd stack my 'real life' up against anyone else's on this site and probably come out ahead in terms of things done, places seen, and fun had.  The fact that I like to roleplay, build communities, and search for that elusive holy grail of a virtual world has nothing, and yet everything, to do with my 'real life.'  It is a part of real life.  People that separate online lives from 'real life' are fooling themselves, and are covering for their own inadequacies when they look down on the choices of others.

Most people do view mmo's as 'just games,' which is why most of what gets published is a hodge-podge of recycled ideas and marketing vapor, and its why the gamers who are looking for more depth are constantly bitching about it here and elsewhere on the web.  Its ok if you're easily entertained.  I'm not, and that's not the only difference between us I'm sure.

If you're happy with the state of mmo's, good for you, but kindly refrain from insulting those of us who aren't, because frankly it just makes you look like a simpleton.

Cheers.

You can go about just anything with mindset "its just" or make "life and death matter" out of it. Personally I find people that take games very seriously boring, hyperactive and overly annoying. They tire me.

But thats me. I dont mind my game being "just a game" and I still enjoy them. When I stop liking MMO I stop playing it - simple as that.

I dont  feel need to scream over some internet forum how I have a life.... think a moment, what do YOU know about other peoples lives?...  and I dont have to explain to anyone that I DO separate my life and my games and why. The big difference is that you can just switch off that other world when you get tired of it. I wish husband and kids could work the same way sometimes.

Virtual is virtual - its not real. Or better said its real as much as its real in your mind. Very little in mine, quite a bit in yours. But there is no wrong or right here, its all matter of perception.

Originally posted by Gintoh

 I think MMO's have a potential that has never been tapped into due to lack of creativity. This lack of creativity comes from people thinking that mmo's have to follow the rules set by WoW and EQ. I think developers need to forget about every mmo convention ever concieved and just start over. Like I think if a developer made an mmo and he had never played one before, and he didn't know about any mmo conventions it would be great because in his mind he has no "rules" tofollow allowing him to do whatever he wants.

This post right here. Is what I am waiting for.

There are so many mmo's to choose from, but very little difference between them. It is gonna take that 1 company to change people's view.

As others have said, I like the idea of them, but lately they have been disappointing.

In my opinion...

MMOs need to go a different path. Instead of focusing on levels and gear focus on the "fun" first.

My fav MMOs were Pre-NGE/CU SWG, and Planetside...so you can kind of see where I stand. A lot of people will disagree with me bc a lot of people enjoy putting time into making a character truely epic and being proud of it. However, I'd just like to log into a massive world and have some fun, so I guess I like the Idea more than the game.

For me, I used to play them for a longer duration than I do now, mostly because there wasn't much else to choose from when Neocron came out. The reason for so much game hopping and not staying subscribed for years is because every year there seems to be another new mmo to try.

I don't think its that games or mmo aren't fun enough. I just don't see that however fun the combat or virtual world is eventually I will get tired of it in some way or it doesn't feel new enough for long. I can't think of any game I'd play for several hours a day for years (not anymore atleast). I wish the rule set would get mixed up in mmos every so often like playing a UT game with a new set of mutators to give it a different twist.

Originally posted by Gintoh

Or do people just like the idea of an mmo, but not the product? Discuss.

I believe the genre has gone stagnant for some time now, and people are really tired of the same ol' same ol'. The genre needs to shift quite a bit to at least enable another sub genre that may pick up interest. Don't let the people who are afraid of change to sway you. The genre still has potential; it just needs to shift a bit.