Originally posted by VultureSkull

Originally posted by Comnitus

Not really. I just checked it out because I thought it was ridiculous how someone wanted to promote the game by posting Gamespot sales figures for a PC game, as Zorvan nicely explained above.

 

Well nothing in  the TITLE said I was promoting the game...........so what you have said does not ring true.

Dont insult our intelligence. It is obvious that you are trying to promote the game so dont try to pretend you are just giving objective info. It is not, as others have pointed out. The info is worthless as it shows charts from sites that dont have enough volume of PC games to be statistically accurate.

If you want propert indication on how well this game sells then check Amazon, which has much greater volumes of PC games being sold. I believe it is ranked 1837 there... As a comparison other games on that site:

WoW Lich King: #63

WAR: #537

Enough said...

UPDATE: The list numbers above is for video game items, which is all kinds of video games (including consoles).

For PC Games the numbers are:

WoW Lich King: #3

WAR: #76

AoC: Not listed in top 100 PC games.

Another more expansive list looking at sales of PC games in May 2009: www.neowin.net/news/gamers/09/06/17/npd-group-top-selling-pc-games-for-may

WoW Lich King: #1

WoW: #4

Sims2 Apartment: #8

WoW Burning Crusade: #11

And those are the only MMORPG listed in top 20. Neither WAR nor AoC are even listed there.

So really, if you have any shred of integrity you should denounce your attempt at showing AoC being a top selling PC game. It is not, by far.

you guys do know that it is way past the point where hype is going to do anything for the game don't you? AoC has found it's level in the MMO world  and nothing is going to change much one way or the other as far as population wise unless it is a decline when some of the newer MMO's release. This patch should have brought a lot of people back and possibly some first timers but it appears they were matched pretty evenly with people leaving so it was a wash.

Originally posted by Jackdog

you guys do know that it is way past the point where hype is going to do anything for the game don't you? AoC has found it's level in the MMO world  and nothing is going to change much one way or the other as far as population wise unless it is a decline when some of the newer MMO's release. This patch should have brought a lot of people back and possibly some first timers but it appears they were matched pretty evenly with people leaving so it was a wash.

I agree. I know a lot of people like to say that the bugs are fixed and content is added and those were reasons people left, and that may be true why some left but imo, FC made to many fundamental design decisions about that game that put people off that nothing except a complete rebuild of the game could fix.

LOL forget it vultureskull, they are all aoc haters around forums... the ones who love to play aoc spend all their time playing.

don't even waste your time "promoting"... respect the players who don't like the game, but i also think that the haters should also respect the players who love the game.  the aoc argument is getting so old and let's just put it down and move on.

Originally posted by Hyaku

LOL forget it vultureskull, they are all aoc haters around forums... the ones who love to play aoc spend all their time playing.

don't even waste your time "promoting"... respect the players who don't like the game, but i also think that the haters should also respect the players who love the game.  the aoc argument is getting so old and let's just put it down and move on.

I certainly cant respect someone who is quoting numbers, which are completely misleading, in an attempt to promote a game. If you want to promote the game then either stick to the facts or your subjective opinion about said game.

And the FACT is that AoC is not even in the top 20 of most sold PC games in May.

Selling the box was never AoC's problem, getting people to pay the subscription was.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Hyaku

LOL forget it vultureskull, they are all aoc haters around forums... the ones who love to play aoc spend all their time playing.

don't even waste your time "promoting"... respect the players who don't like the game, but i also think that the haters should also respect the players who love the game.  the aoc argument is getting so old and let's just put it down and move on.

 

I certainly cant respect someone who is quoting numbers, which are completely misleading, in an attempt to promote a game. If you want to promote the game then either stick to the facts or your subjective opinion about said game.

And the FACT is that AoC is not even in the top 20 of most sold PC games in May.

He didn't say PC game he said "MMO", big difference there.

@ rest of thread, I've been reading this forum for a few months now, I've seen it said over and over again that the game is dead. No one is joining and subs are on the decline. Well I created a trial account, and downloaded the new patch to see. Logged in at 5am est. thursday morning. Tyranny was packed, I remind you this was 5am est, I guess most had to be European. When I say packed I really mean it. Most may have been trials, but that does at least show there is a buzz going on with the game. I did see a few drinking capes though, which suggests to me alts. Going through the ruins I had one hell of a time killing 30 picts, there were to many small groups killing everything. it almost felt like an open beta. I shoulda took screens but I was tired  and didn't think about it.

@ those who play, Is it always like that now or is it just because of the 1.05 patch?

I think I'll resub a while given the sever my main was on seems quite lively at my schedule (work nights)  it seems at around 7am it may be busy.

Ive noticed on the Set server that alot of ppl have returned and  have seen alot of new people  to the game.

Gamestops search engines suxxor...they don't work.   Anyway, no seems like the population keeps decreasing and dying out. PC gamers would buy from Amazon and there are well over 1000 other games out selling it at amazon.  It must be a very bad game TODAY if it went from #4 PC sales last year to obscurity this year.   What happened?

Originally posted by finaticd

Gamestops search engines suxxor...they don't work.   Anyway, no seems like the population keeps decreasing and dying out. PC gamers would buy from Amazon and there are well over 1000 other games out selling it at amazon.  It must be a very bad game TODAY if it went from #4 PC sales last year to obscurity this year.   What happened?

Are you for real? You have been following this game for ages so you should know. Click on his posting history guys.

When are the obsessed type fans of AOC finally going to understand that when they post misleading information like the OP generally does, that it is actually harming AOC's reputation more and more each time.
Honestly, 99% of the people who come to this website are people who are not MMO newbies and when they start reading threads that are essentially viral marketing, follow by additional posts by others players that contradict what the OP wrote, this throws up a red flag. Who in their right mind would want to buy a game that is surrounded by so much drama and stress? Who would want to pay a monthly fee for a game that has some obsessed players who are willing to misconstrue the facts about a game just to get more players in the game? The answer is no one.
Here is some advice, play the game that you like(AOC) and if you feel the need to post why YOU like the game and how YOU feel the game is doing, that is fine but do write crap like "AOC is the 3rd best selling MMO so everyone come play it". Most people are tired of reading that crap and IMO it is even more iritating than reading about the SWG vets constantly complaining about how SOE ruined that game.

Originally posted by Vespers

When are the obsessed type fans of AOC finally going to understand that when they post misleading information like the OP generally does, that it is actually harming AOC's reputation more and more each time.
Honestly, 99% of the people who come to this website are people who are not MMO newbies and when they start reading threads that are essentially viral marketing, follow by additional posts by others players that contradict what the OP wrote, this throws up a red flag. Who in their right mind would want to buy a game that is surrounded by so much drama and stress? Who would want to pay a monthly fee for a game that has some obsessed players who are willing to misconstrue the facts about a game just to get more players in the game? The answer is no one.
Here is some advice, play the game that you like(AOC) and if you feel the need to post why YOU like the game and how YOU feel the game is doing, that is fine but do write crap like "AOC is the 3rd best selling MMO so everyone come play it". Most people are tired of reading that crap and IMO it is even more iritating than reading about the SWG vets constantly complaining about how SOE ruined that game.

I think you are right in saying that a few die hard AoC fans write stuff that reduces the chaces of more people subscribing again to AoC. However i think you are wrong that attention (negative or positive) is bad for the game. There is an old saying that "all pr is good pr" that imo also applies to AoC. "Out of sight out of mind" also applies. Its important for fans that AoC is kept on the top of the attention span of hard core MMO players on this site. Thats why all these post are actually helping the game. 

It is truly no fault to download the AoC-Trial and take a look at the changed, polished and improved AoC.

Take a look by yourself and dont get fooled by fans and haters - true man (and woman) decide for themself!

Numbers are only rumors - FC is making money as it is shown in their last fincancial report and updates and patches are planned for years to come.

Originally posted by Blutmaul

It is truly no fault to download the AoC-Trial and take a look at the changed, polished and improved AoC.

Take a look by yourself and dont get fooled by fans and haters - true man (and woman) decide for themself!

 

The trial does not give you access to enough of the game to verfify what the current game issues are., since launch most of player concerns begin to appear after level 40.

Originally posted by Unfinished

Originally posted by Blutmaul

It is truly no fault to download the AoC-Trial and take a look at the changed, polished and improved AoC.

Take a look by yourself and dont get fooled by fans and haters - true man (and woman) decide for themself!

 

 

The trial does not give you access to enough of the game to verfify what the current game issues are., since launch most of player concerns begin to appear after level 40.

 

There are no restrictions on the trial you know.  You can level up extremely fast if you know what your doing and have the time.

The whole thing about people telling you the games changed, the games complete now all the way up to 80 and they are planning to release more endgame content next patch.

Cant tell you if the endgame is good enough to keep me subbing for years, but levels 1-80 are a blast, and the scenery is unmatched if you have the rig.

Right now the biggest gripes about the game are class balance issues regarding the switch to using trickle down stat effects, like primary stats effecting secondary ect.  To be honest the effects arenot that drastic, just some skills work diffrent or are less effective.

Its like go play the trial and come back complaining about class balance, since they fixed all the stuff that people who quit a year ago experienced.

I would also like to add that it really doesnt matter about sub numbers and sales, if funcom could keep anarchy going for so long after its launch im sure aoc will be around for a while.  There are populated servers, well populated, and the games where it should have been a year ago.

Originally posted by crunchyblack

I would also like to add that it really doesnt matter about sub numbers and sales, if funcom could keep anarchy going for so long after its launch im sure aoc will be around for a while.  There are populated servers, well populated, and the games where it should have been a year ago.

Population and Sub numbers matter alot, if things like a steady Dev Cycle providing fixes and the filling out of the missing game features are important to you.

They certainly did keep AO alive, and used the sub money from it to dev AoC. Have fun paying for Conan's continued beta, while FC uses that money to dev TSW.

If the game were truely 'where it should have been a year ago' FC would have started the Win Back, they haven't. You are still a Guild patch, a Caster revamp patch, a Sieges patch, a PvP level / Reward patch and an End Game content patch away from being 'launch ready'. Having seen the last 12 months of the dev cycle, I think you are easily another 8 months to a year away from filling in those holes.

Have fun playing the expansion, while the original mechinics are still broken // missing.

Originally posted by Unfinished

Originally posted by crunchyblack

I would also like to add that it really doesnt matter about sub numbers and sales, if funcom could keep anarchy going for so long after its launch im sure aoc will be around for a while.  There are populated servers, well populated, and the games where it should have been a year ago.

Population and Sub numbers matter alot, if things like a steady Dev Cycle providing fixes and the filling out of the missing game features are important to you.

They certainly did keep AO alive, and used the sub money from it to dev AoC. Have fun paying for Conan's continued beta, while FC uses that money to dev TSW.

 

If the game were truely 'where it should have been a year ago' FC would have started the Win Back, they haven't. You are still a Guild patch, a Caster revamp patch, a Sieges patch, a PvP level / Reward patch and an End Game content patch away from being 'launch ready'. Having seen the last 12 months of the dev cycle, I think you are easily another 8 months to a year away from filling in those holes.

Have fun playing the expansion, while the original mechinics are still broken // missing.

There could be more reasons behind no "win back" as of yet.  Take for instance the number of people who feel burned by funcom. Opening the floodgates allows them in as well. Considering the way these people post on forums, it would be of no  surprise if some took the opportunity to act out their anger on the community at large. Just as many former SWG players did the same on their free time. In game protests, harassment, player created lag by purposeful congestion etc... were some of the methods used.

As for whether the game is where it should have been at launch. That can be a subjective opinion, formed by seeing for yourself. In my humble opinion, performance is improved and the new layout for stats is better than before. I still have some doubts about subbing a month on my main account. Mostly because of a beta I am in. However to fully see how things have changed I would need to see it at a much higher level than 15.

Originally posted by Malickie

There could be more reasons behind no "win back" as of yet.  Take for instance the number of people who feel burned by funcom. Opening the floodgates allows them in as well. Considering the way these people post on forums, it would be of no  surprise if some took the opportunity to act out their anger on the community at large. Just as many former SWG players did the same on their free time. In game protests, harassment, player created lag by purposeful congestion etc... were some of the methods used.

They don't want back at least a portion the almost 1 Million subs they lost?? I find that hard to believe.

You think they are worried about the effects returning players would have on the community? Well AoC Global chat is notorious as the most un-monitored, foul mouthed, pornographic sewer of a chat channel in any MMO to date. Doubt a returning player can do much harm there.

You think returning players might harass other players in game? Well currently very bored folks have formed gank squads to camp any new player trying to progress threw Tortage on PvP servers. So I can't see a Former player making that situation worse.

They certainly can't gather en masse to 'protest' or lag out a PF, a new instance of the zone would be created to limit the number of players.

How is it you think a large group of players can make the game experience worse for the current players? And why do you think that FunCom would care about the current player's game experience? especially if they had a chance at 3-4-6-8 times the current subscription fees?

Being afraid of the former subscribers is hilarious, FunCom's handling of the game's future is what you should really be worried about.

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Hyaku

LOL forget it vultureskull, they are all aoc haters around forums... the ones who love to play aoc spend all their time playing.

don't even waste your time "promoting"... respect the players who don't like the game, but i also think that the haters should also respect the players who love the game.  the aoc argument is getting so old and let's just put it down and move on.

 

I certainly cant respect someone who is quoting numbers, which are completely misleading, in an attempt to promote a game. If you want to promote the game then either stick to the facts or your subjective opinion about said game.

And the FACT is that AoC is not even in the top 20 of most sold PC games in May.

He didn't say PC game he said "MMO", big difference there.

 

 

He said both actually,

He said 3rd biggest selling mmo at gamestop which is near meaningless when compared with other sites like amazon but at least he is being accurate (assuming the gamestop ranking is accurate)

He also said 4th biggest selling pc game at gamestop which was wrong on every level,

Originally posted by Unfinished

 

They don't want back at least a portion the almost 1 Million subs they lost?? I find that hard to believe.

 

2 things to think about here

1)  they did a server merge and have less than half the servers they had this time last year. It may just be a coincidence that performance improved as the population dropped, but I think not. If even 500K vets all came back at one time my theory their servers would turn into the lag pit from hell.

2) There is already a free trial which is not doing much to help the game. If it still sucks between level 1 and 30 it will suck between 30 and 80. Besides I don't think the game has inproved enough to flip any vet trials into subscriptions.