Originally posted by jjjk29

  In the good old days of SWG you couldnt pick to play as a jedi or lvl a jedi tree, you had to get lucky and get the little force message asking you to come join the jedi camp.  Which i thought was an awesome idea.  But SoE didnt...

Yeah that sounds great IF you're one of those full-time gamers who doesn't have a job or family or life outside of the game and can devote the hours necessary to become one of the top dozen or so players on their server. For everyone else who wanted to be a Jedi but couldn't , I presume it was not nearly so "awesome".

Originally posted by Greek_Matt

Originally posted by jjjk29

  I dont really like the Space Marines im a Tau guy, but the game was to come out and players couldnt play Space Marines at launch then im sure fans wouldnt even go past the character creation screen.

 

I see `Space Marine' as something you would work up towards rather than begin as. Choose a side (Imperial, Chaos, Eldar, Greenskin, Alien, Rogue) and start as the bottom rung of each (Imperial Guardsman for Imperial) then specialize later in your career. Imperium would split off into options like Space Marine (general combat trooper), Terminator (heavy close combat), Medic ('nuff said') etc. and other races would do the same.

Wrong.

Im not sure if your joking or not but Space Marine come from mostly "primative" warrior tribes on Chapter worlds. The primatives are then subjected to various difficult tests and once passed are given the gene seed of the particular Primarch of the chapter.  They dont work thier way up from imperial guard ranks or such.

Anyway i really hope they dont mess up this game like Mythic did to WAR.

Originally posted by Greek_Matt

Originally posted by jjjk29

  In the good old days of SWG you couldnt pick to play as a jedi or lvl a jedi tree, you had to get lucky and get the little force message asking you to come join the jedi camp.  Which i thought was an awesome idea.  But SoE didnt...

 

Yeah that sounds great IF you're one of those full-time gamers who doesn't have a job or family or life outside of the game and can devote the hours necessary to become one of the top dozen or so players on their server. For everyone else who wanted to be a Jedi but couldn't , I presume it was not nearly so "awesome".

  Off topic... But in the time when SWG took place there were no jedi...  So it worked with the game..

  But I think 40k could work as a MMORPG and NOT an MMOFPS....  Yea there is alot of shooting in 40k, but most of the time your shooting to pindown/weaken your enemy so you can get closer and kill them off with your power weapons.

40k would be great, but it needs to be done well.... it deserves to be done well. 

Originally posted by Gidion

 

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Originally posted by Greek_Matt

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Originally posted by jjjk29

 

  I dont really like the Space Marines im a Tau guy, but the game was to come out and players couldnt play Space Marines at launch then im sure fans wouldnt even go past the character creation screen.

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I see `Space Marine' as something you would work up towards rather than begin as. Choose a side (Imperial, Chaos, Eldar, Greenskin, Alien, Rogue) and start as the bottom rung of each (Imperial Guardsman for Imperial) then specialize later in your career. Imperium would split off into options like Space Marine (general combat trooper), Terminator (heavy close combat), Medic ('nuff said') etc. and other races would do the same.

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Oh god... shoot me now...

space marines were drawn among the best troops from the worlds the empire claimed/requonquered, and the rest drafted into the Imperial Guard. Those selected few were first genetically enhanced and then given the geneseed when proved worthy.

As a Space Marine you were not restricted to be a soldier,since your skills and qualifications could allow you to end up in the Apothecary (medic) ranks. As a soldier you could promote thru all the command line till becoming a Company Captain, even till belonging to the First Company and get access to the Mark IV power armors

when injuried to the point of death, any Space Marine is allowed to become a dreadnought, if his merits were considered worthy that honor and he has the will to resist the process.

All those subdivisions work exactly the same for the IG, and those naturally talented as psychic could be recruited into the Inquisition if they proved enough control over their powers that the value of their help outweigthed the risk of allowing them living.

everything Greek_Matt said is perfectly possible from any strict lore PoV...so please stfu, its obvious at this point that your just cluelessly discussing for the sake of it

edit: ok,maybe becoming a Space Marine when you are already IG isnt very cannonical per se, yet we dont know if this is not allowed or even forbidden.

Originally posted by jjjk29

Originally posted by Greek_Matt

Originally posted by jjjk29

  In the good old days of SWG you couldnt pick to play as a jedi or lvl a jedi tree, you had to get lucky and get the little force message asking you to come join the jedi camp.  Which i thought was an awesome idea.  But SoE didnt...

 

Yeah that sounds great IF you're one of those full-time gamers who doesn't have a job or family or life outside of the game and can devote the hours necessary to become one of the top dozen or so players on their server. For everyone else who wanted to be a Jedi but couldn't , I presume it was not nearly so "awesome".

 

  Off topic... But in the time when SWG took place there were no jedi...  So it worked with the game..

 

  But I think 40k could work as a MMORPG and NOT an MMOFPS....  Yea there is alot of shooting in 40k, but most of the time your shooting to pindown/weaken your enemy so you can get closer and kill them off with your power weapons.

Global Agenda (winner of MMORPG.com's E3 Editor's Choice Award) is an upcoming MMOFPS which incorporates the use of jump jets and melee combat in addition to just shooting. Seems like the perfect mechanics for a 40K MMO to me...

And apologies to the 40K loremasters, I only have a vague idea of the storyline behind the game and I did not know of the strict origins of Space Marines. I stand corrected. But that's still no reason why they couldn't be a playable class... they do exist after all, and even though there might me "only 100,000 in existence" that's certainly enough leeway for the players on any particular server who want to play one to have the opportunity to do so. Despite how much it may burn your sensibilities, you can definitely bank on them being available in a commercial MMO game.

Originally posted by Greek_Matt

Originally posted by jjjk29

Originally posted by Greek_Matt

Originally posted by jjjk29

  In the good old days of SWG you couldnt pick to play as a jedi or lvl a jedi tree, you had to get lucky and get the little force message asking you to come join the jedi camp.  Which i thought was an awesome idea.  But SoE didnt...

 

Yeah that sounds great IF you're one of those full-time gamers who doesn't have a job or family or life outside of the game and can devote the hours necessary to become one of the top dozen or so players on their server. For everyone else who wanted to be a Jedi but couldn't , I presume it was not nearly so "awesome".

 

  Off topic... But in the time when SWG took place there were no jedi...  So it worked with the game..

 

  But I think 40k could work as a MMORPG and NOT an MMOFPS....  Yea there is alot of shooting in 40k, but most of the time your shooting to pindown/weaken your enemy so you can get closer and kill them off with your power weapons.

 

Global Agenda (winner of MMORPG.com's E3 Editor's Choice Award) is an upcoming MMOFPS which incorporates the use of jump jets and melee combat in addition to just shooting. Seems like the perfect mechanics for a 40K MMO to me...

And apologies to the 40K loremasters, I only have a vague idea of the storyline behind the game and I did not know of the strict origins of Space Marines. I stand corrected. But that's still no reason why they couldn't be a playable class... they do exist after all, and even though there might me "only 100,000 in existence" that's certainly enough leeway for the players on any particular server who want to play one to have the opportunity to do so. Despite how much it may burn your sensibilities, you can definitely bank on them being available in a commercial MMO game.

 

  You wernt really wrong.  At all actually just an IG lvling would not really lead him to a Space Marine.  Other than that you got it down.

  But I dont see why it cant be an RPG and not FPS.  Think about it you can have you ranged attacks that you use as your running in towards your target, and your hardhitting melee attacks that follow once on your target.  I dont like the FPS aspect then it feels like im playing COD or Halo.  Its an MMO ppl want something different.

Originally posted by jjjk29

  You wernt really wrong.  At all actually just an IG lvling would not really lead him to a Space Marine.  Other than that you got it down.

please show me where that restriction is explicitly stated

Chapter masters can recruit anyone they deem worthy into their 10th company as aspiring Space Marines.

It would be really easy to make that ingame...your IG regimient helped certain chapter in a mission. your skills as individual were noticed by one of the company captains, who after talking to his chapter master came to the conclusion you were worthy of making the access trials

voila, a very clear and distint RPG setting, that offers a "climb the ladder" experience and slowly introduces you to a class system

For now I don't want to see or hear those two words "warhammer & MMO in the same phrase.

Originally posted by arcdevil

Originally posted by jjjk29

  You wernt really wrong.  At all actually just an IG lvling would not really lead him to a Space Marine.  Other than that you got it down.

 

please show me where that restriction is explicitly stated

Chapter masters can recruit anyone they deem worthy into their 10th company as aspiring Space Marines.

 

It would be really easy to make that ingame...your IG regimient helped certain chapter in a mission. your skills as individual were noticed by one of the company captains, who after talking to his chapter master came to the conclusion you were worthy of making the access trials

 

voila, a very clear and distint RPG setting, that offers a "climb the ladder" experience and slowly introduces you to a class system

  It could be something like jedi trails?  Like all players of the Imperium spawn in a camp, where they all do their 'walk-through levels' where its shows them the basses of combat and gameplay.  When leaving this camp it tells them about the sub-factions they can join like the Space Marines or IG.  Then the player can go join one of those but has to lvl through the ranks until that play actually reaches the position of a Space Marine.  It being an MMO they would put in somesort of ranking system like this even if there isnt one for actual Space Marines.

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Originally posted by arcdevil

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Originally posted by Gidion

 

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Originally posted by Greek_Matt

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Originally posted by jjjk29
 
  I dont really like the Space Marines im a Tau guy, but the game was to come out and players couldnt play Space Marines at launch then im sure fans wouldnt even go past the character creation screen.

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I see `Space Marine' as something you would work up towards rather than begin as. Choose a side (Imperial, Chaos, Eldar, Greenskin, Alien, Rogue) and start as the bottom rung of each (Imperial Guardsman for Imperial) then specialize later in your career. Imperium would split off into options like Space Marine (general combat trooper), Terminator (heavy close combat), Medic ('nuff said') etc. and other races would do the same.

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Oh god... shoot me now...

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space marines were drawn among the best troops from the worlds the empire claimed/requonquered, and the rest drafted into the Imperial Guard. Those selected few were first genetically enhanced and then given the geneseed when proved worthy.
 
As a Space Marine you were not restricted to be a soldier,since your skills and qualifications could allow you to end up in the Apothecary (medic) ranks. As a soldier you could promote thru all the command line till becoming a Company Captain, even till belonging to the First Company and get access to the Mark IV power armors
 
when injuried to the point of death, any Space Marine is allowed to become a dreadnought, if his merits were considered worthy that honor and he has the will to resist the process.
 
All those subdivisions work exactly the same for the IG, and those naturally talented as psychic could be recruited into the Inquisition if they proved enough control over their powers that the value of their help outweigthed the risk of allowing them living.
 
 
everything Greek_Matt said is perfectly possible from any strict lore PoV...so please stfu, its obvious at this point that your just cluelessly discussing for the sake of it
 
edit: ok,maybe becoming a Space Marine when you are already IG isnt very cannonical per se, yet we dont know if this is not allowed or even forbidden.

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Oh glad to see you edited you post to say i was right. :P

To my understanding SM are all recruited close to or during puberty due to the modification process. So in my mind it would be nigh impossible for a IG to become a SM. Greek_Matt wanted to make that the norm and i fully object to that idea.

Tbh I dunno why you feel the need to give me attitude. All I've done is voice my opinion and desire to stay true to the lore. As well as what i think might be needed to do just that. Is there something in that that gets on your nerves? Also as a cutesy to me mind editing out the part about me being clueless and that i should stfu. You know, since im right and all :D

All in all this is a pointless argument since we have no clue what type of game is being made. It could be RPG, FPS, RTS, squad based etc. Even with that knowledge i doubt we would change the devs minds on the direction they want to take their game. I do hope though that they try and stay as close to the lore as possible. and if Space Marines are a playable class they need to be represented in a way that stays true to the god warriors that they are...

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Originally posted by Silverwatch
The only way i can see this working succesfully is possibly in a MMOFPS style gameplay such as Planetside, pressing 1-9 with abilities just would not cut it especially when you are using a chainblade and boltpistol for example, an assault marine has both of these plus a jetpack, it naturally should be MMOFPS as it would work wonders, say if you were an average Eldar Guardian against a assault marine, he has to tear it to pieces, f/e the marine will be hurt but 1on1 its no chance, if they introduced a skill system similar to planetside with say Imperial Guardsmen and Space Marines on 1 army and say it costs 18 points for space marine armour, that would mean there wouldnt be that many of them because they need Guardsmen to drive and pilot and generally be alot more useful with alot more skills. it would be such a waste if they gave this game away to the MMORPG setting.
 
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Its not going to be a mmofps. They said so in the PC Gamer Article

Originally posted by jjjk29

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

Personally i dont see why necrons and Tyranids cant be palyable races after all....

Necrons :- have a great reason for respawning when they get killed [unlike most other races] as they can self repair and if the damage is too much they just teleport to the nearest necron base for proper repairs, Stat wise they will be very much like Space Marines exept there Initative will be about halph as good as a Marines. And wepon wise they are about the same as a marines bolter exept they have a small chance of occasionally bypassing most armour.

 

Tyranids:- Are a little ahrder but not by much if you limit what tyranid subspecies you can use for example no carnifexes from start and no Tyrants but you can start with say a gaunt type or a genestealer. And charecter progression can go 2 ways. Either you genetically modyfy your starting charecter such as a genestealer by adding Biomods which you pay for via some sort of gene caash system that is built of from kills. this can be used to turn a genestealer into a broodlord type monster. Or the other way you can advance yourself is to spend gene points to change yourself into a different Tyranid subspecies such as a gaunt into a Tyranid warrior or a Genestealer into a Carnifex! main thing about this is tho is you lose any biomorths your Avatar has previously paid for and get a new charecter subspecies type with no enhancments. This is not to say tho that you cant upgrade your new Avitar like you did with the old one tho.

 

  I see what your talking about, but a big deal in MMO's is upgrading weapons and armor by questing/raid/loot blabla you know.  Necrons and Tyranids cant take as much advantage of that as most other races can.  Like a Space Marine can be geared like a scout in light armor, or Terminator armor sets.  A tyranid could evolve I guess but how could you customise that?

To begine with my idea is based on this game NOT being yet another WoW with loot obsesed players going around grinding some obscure rare mob for some rare loot. When you take the idea of loot out of  the equation my idea makes more sence.

What i propose is that each race has its own unique way of advancing itself for example...

Necrons hardware and software ugrades earned based on kills and relative difaculty i.e. harder kills earn there requsit upgrade points plus a bonus based on what you are.

Tyranids Biomorphs based on genetic points, based on your kills.

Space Marines Honour points or something like that that is gained by completing mission\PvP objectives and kills [sepecially if the kills are gained while the odds are against you. Spend points on chaper relicks such as a guilded helmet with some pre herasy Tech like better optics or Thermal vision.

Orks Well orks get bigger as they do well so make advancment based on bashing heads in return for an increase in bodymass which then entitles you to swipe better gear from the smaller ones.

Tau\Imperial guard once again kills could be a way of earning credits which can be used to earn new gear.

Now these are rough ideas but my point is that with some imagination each race can be done and done in a way as to make them feel different.

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by arcdevil

Originally posted by Wolfenpride

If it does come out, lets all pray it doesn't turn out like WAR online did.

 

Its THQ,not Mythic. 

in other words,its a competent developer, not a farce

 

I wouldn't go that far. Look at DOW II. That changed it up for change sake when they already had a winning forumla with DOW. They should have added new missions, new maps and more of the armies. They didn't. Sure, some people like it, but some people like licorice and Jagermeister too. My point is DoW did well to bring the 40K world to "life" as far as representation. DoW II was a marked step away from the gist of 40K (full squads, armies, battling it out). If Vigil/Relic decides to take the DoW mentality/method they might have a winner as that's what made the IP popular in the first place. If they decide to get cutesy and create their own "vision"...well, I wouldn't hold my breath.

IDK DoW2 felt more like the tabletop then DoW did. I liked the cover system and the squads looked more like how they do on the tabletop instead of having as many SM as their are elder the numbers were right. Now I did but DoW1 or 2 because thats the style of RTS I like but as far as going with the TT DoW2 was better IMO.

I wonder if Sisters of Battle will show up at game launch.  Space Marines are a given with the IP and, while the Sisters themselves are relatively unimportant, I really can't see a modern AAA MMO releasing gender locked 'classes' with no equivalent for the other gender.

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Originally posted by jjjk29
  Yea lets say it is set up somewhat like SWG, where you can view all the planets that you can go to.  And these planets are cut off by a warp storm, its a good idea.
  But if your stranded in a system with lets say orks and your just a rogue trader your not going to have much time to "hang out in a tavern".   You will be to worried about your enemys all around you.  With that being said WHY NOT play Space Marines?  They are the most popular and recognisable out of the 40k universe, and its an MMO so the lore wont be 100% so you as a Space Marine lets say lost your squad when dropping in?
  If you think you shouldnt be able to play as a Space Marine then there shouldn't be a Choas, since they mirror the Space Marines.

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Not all Chaos are Chaos Space Marines. Their are cultist and the traitor guard who compose a large portion of the human forces of Chaos. In reality Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines compose less then 1% of all forces on both sides because you need to remember that there are literally hundreds of billion of Imperial Guardsmen and women and Traitor Guardsmen and women plus cultist. This isn't even counting the Mechanicus members or Dark Mechanicus members. Space Marines are like the Jedi in SWG but even 2x rarer in WAR40K because even at the height of the Emperors crusade there were only a few hundred thousand space marines compared to billions of Imperial Army Forces ( AKA Imperial Guard now ).

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Originally posted by arcdevil

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Originally posted by Gidion

 

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Originally posted by Greek_Matt

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Originally posted by jjjk29
 
  I dont really like the Space Marines im a Tau guy, but the game was to come out and players couldnt play Space Marines at launch then im sure fans wouldnt even go past the character creation screen.

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I see `Space Marine' as something you would work up towards rather than begin as. Choose a side (Imperial, Chaos, Eldar, Greenskin, Alien, Rogue) and start as the bottom rung of each (Imperial Guardsman for Imperial) then specialize later in your career. Imperium would split off into options like Space Marine (general combat trooper), Terminator (heavy close combat), Medic ('nuff said') etc. and other races would do the same.

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Oh god... shoot me now...

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space marines were drawn among the best troops from the worlds the empire claimed/requonquered, and the rest drafted into the Imperial Guard. Those selected few were first genetically enhanced and then given the geneseed when proved worthy.
 
As a Space Marine you were not restricted to be a soldier,since your skills and qualifications could allow you to end up in the Apothecary (medic) ranks. As a soldier you could promote thru all the command line till becoming a Company Captain, even till belonging to the First Company and get access to the Mark IV power armors
 
when injuried to the point of death, any Space Marine is allowed to become a dreadnought, if his merits were considered worthy that honor and he has the will to resist the process.
 
All those subdivisions work exactly the same for the IG, and those naturally talented as psychic could be recruited into the Inquisition if they proved enough control over their powers that the value of their help outweigthed the risk of allowing them living.
 
 
everything Greek_Matt said is perfectly possible from any strict lore PoV...so please stfu, its obvious at this point that your just cluelessly discussing for the sake of it
 
edit: ok,maybe becoming a Space Marine when you are already IG isnt very cannonical per se, yet we dont know if this is not allowed or even forbidden.

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That is pre-40k lore, after the Emperor went on life-support they lost much of their knowledge and tech over a ten thousand year period. In 40k recruits for the Marines are only taken at a young age from feral planets after completeing dangerous sets of trials.
The only time adults were used was when the Imperium was being forged and an adult that becomes a marine is wekaer than an adolescent that becomes a marine.

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Older Adults who survived the process weren't weaker they just had a very, very low survival rate when it came to enduring the gene modification trials for becoming a Space Marine. Also the process of recruitment varied from Chapter to Chapter. The selection process on a whole actually started during the young adult period of age which is usually 18 - early twenties. Yet even these young adults would face a high risk of death from the actual process of becoming a Space Marines let alone from the selection process of choosing people worthy enough to be allowed to undergo the process. The selection phase of candidates usually involved some sort of death games/trial where only those who survived the death games/trials were initiated to become a Space Marine.

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Originally posted by A.Dantes
I wonder if Sisters of Battle will show up at game launch.  Space Marines are a given with the IP and, while the Sisters themselves are relatively unimportant, I really can't see a modern AAA MMO releasing gender locked 'classes' with no equivalent for the other gender.

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The Sisters are just as important. They are tasked with hunting down rogue/unsanctioned psykers, doing purity checks on worlds for the taints of Chaos and seeking and destroying anyone/thing deemed a heretical threat to the Imperial Ecclesiarchy/Faith within the Empire. Those are pretty damn important roles. Admittedly there is maybe only 1 novel that has been devoted solely on The Sisters of Battle (Formerly known as the Sisters of Silence before and during the Horus Hersay.) called "Fire and Faith" aside from the few short stories here and there seen in other books. They are though represented in the Table Top as a army on their own.

wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

Just in case people didn't know, that's for anyone who's interested in learning some of the lore involved with 40k.

I decided to drop this in since I noticed the Space Marine debate a page or so back.

Like Gidion, I would highly disagree with a progression from classes to Space Marine.

wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Creation_of_a_Space_Marine

I was a massive Warhammer 40K fan a few years back. I have a Space Marine army and a Tyranid army plus some (if I do say so myself) very nicely painted Eldar. I also have a number of Dark Eldar, Necrons and Sisters of Battle (gay.. I know :-D). I also have an old snowy table top scene for my Space Marine bunker behind the desk I'm typing from now :-D Oh and the box of Space Marines is behind me haha

But yes... needless to say I would be wetting myself if this actually gets released.

I was excited enough about WAR, even though I prefer 40K. The game wasn't a complete disappointment to me. There were some good points I felt, but a 40K game would be INCREDIBLE!