Originally posted by skydragonren

Originally posted by IronZ

PS. On a side note, NOONE has questioned anything, I have heard a lot of QQ and people wondering why I hate the DK so much, which I knew was coming. I also think I gave ample reason enough for why I personally hate the DK class. I haven't been proven wrong on anything I said. You are not going to find 1 single person playing wow right now that doesn't agree that the DK population is out of control. EVERY wow server is so over populated with them it is hard to breath in the game. I can't take 2 steps on my server without tripping over one.

I decided last night, I will no longer party with DK's or Heal a DK when they need it. I had 4 other healers also agree with the same. They would no longer heal them in raids or party with them in the world. Going to be a lot of DK deaths on our BG it seems. Cause they won't be getting any heals from me inside the BG's.

We are on a DK Strike.

 

 

 

I would say that most of the "QQ" comes from you my boy.  Seriously, get over yourself and grow up.  You're the typical "kiddie" playing WoW that most people hate.  Jesus, people like you make me laugh!

Z

 

This isn't a QQ post, the post was intended to point out that DK's are to widespread across wow, trashing the game. The only ones who disagree with this are the ones who play DK's.

Which will soon be the majority of wow players.

I don't have to QQ , I made my choice already. I don't heal them, I don't play with them, and I spit in their face every chance I get.

F**K a DK.

Blizzard will eventually nerf them out of existence, it's coming. This tank nerf will be enough to make half of them quit wow I hope. The other half will be delt with in time.

I am older than you I am sure, so watch who you are calling a "kiddie".

So first you say they will soon be the majority of WOW players?

But.....

then you say "Blizzard will eventually nerf them out of existence"....

Which is it?

And you may be older than some but your immaturity and attitude towards DK's, Blizzard and WOW players seems to indicate the opposite.

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by skydragonren

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by skydragonren

Originally posted by Nicksd

I don't see the OP'ness of Dk's really. I have killed them tons of tiems, just as I have killed other classes. I have been owned by them, just like I have been with oter classes. Really learn how to kill them and it is not that hard.

WoW players are some of the biggest cry babies I have ever seen. (Yes I am crying at all the cry babies)

 

I no longer play DK due to my distaste for the class, but something really needs to be done about them across all of wow.

So you admit that you played a DK but now you are calling all DK players, as well as the class, "garbage"?

WOW, hello pot, I am kettle.

Anyway, I am done with this thread. No point in arguing and debating an issue like this.

DK's are an okay class, just like the rest of the classes in WOW. They are nothing special. They can tank and they can DPS. Druids, Paladins and Warriors all have similar roles and playstyles. Its a fun class to play, simple as that.

EDIT: Funny, you play a Paladin which is THE most OP class in WOW. It is so bad that even Paladins admit it and have been asked to be nerfed.

 

Retribution paladins yeah maybe.... Holy paladins.... not so much.

Even ret paladins have weaknesses. They rely on 1 mechanic that without it they cannot win... Mana.

What is the DK weakness, they can DPS forever without stopping, for weeks on end if needed. Extremely fast cool downs, they get 2 pets, silence, slow, 3 AOE's, extreme single target dps, can heal themselves, AND get an entire army of ghouls to fight at their command.... They also boast the most HP of every class in wow aside from the bear form druid, which lets be honest, how scared are you to fight a bear form druid in pvp... yeah me either.

A ret paladin can'treally compete with all of that. We get a 30 second hammer stun, and repentence, burst damage that if we can't kill what ever we attack in that 6-8 second burst, we might as well sit down and call it a day. Even after all of that we still have to get passed that mana mechanic, that DK's just can't be bothered with.

Do you even play wow?

 

 

Shaman (main), Paladin (since launch),  Druid, and DK (spread among Horde and Alliance)

A well-played Ret Paladin can out DPS almost ever class. And you left out a few of the Paladin abilities (shields, the ability to heal yourself, 2 massive DPS attacks that are almost guaranteed to crit, etc...).

They do not need to be mentioned, everything a ret paladin does is dependant on mana. Which ret paladins burn through very quickly.

Can you heal, dps without mana? No you can't, once you burn through your mana, your dps drops to nil, and your just praying to hang on long enough for that next wisdom judge, to get in another dps skill or 2.

All of which are on a global cooldown counter leaving you to wait before you can start the rotation over.

Ret paladins do not use shields.

DK's have no waiting to do, a proper DK rotation can have them continuously attack forever with no slowdown.

Ret paladins cannot attack forever,

Also

Ret paladins do not use shields.

You play a paladin and are going to try and sit here and tell me a ret paladin is on par with a DK. That is funny.

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by skydragonren

Originally posted by IronZ

PS. On a side note, NOONE has questioned anything, I have heard a lot of QQ and people wondering why I hate the DK so much, which I knew was coming. I also think I gave ample reason enough for why I personally hate the DK class. I haven't been proven wrong on anything I said. You are not going to find 1 single person playing wow right now that doesn't agree that the DK population is out of control. EVERY wow server is so over populated with them it is hard to breath in the game. I can't take 2 steps on my server without tripping over one.

I decided last night, I will no longer party with DK's or Heal a DK when they need it. I had 4 other healers also agree with the same. They would no longer heal them in raids or party with them in the world. Going to be a lot of DK deaths on our BG it seems. Cause they won't be getting any heals from me inside the BG's.

We are on a DK Strike.

 

 

 

I would say that most of the "QQ" comes from you my boy.  Seriously, get over yourself and grow up.  You're the typical "kiddie" playing WoW that most people hate.  Jesus, people like you make me laugh!

Z

 

This isn't a QQ post, the post was intended to point out that DK's are to widespread across wow, trashing the game. The only ones who disagree with this are the ones who play DK's.

Which will soon be the majority of wow players.

I don't have to QQ , I made my choice already. I don't heal them, I don't play with them, and I spit in their face every chance I get.

F**K a DK.

Blizzard will eventually nerf them out of existence, it's coming. This tank nerf will be enough to make half of them quit wow I hope. The other half will be delt with in time.

I am older than you I am sure, so watch who you are calling a "kiddie".

So first you say they will soon be the majority of WOW players?

But.....

then you say "Blizzard will eventually nerf them out of existence"....

Which is it?

And you may be older than some but your immaturity and attitude towards DK's, Blizzard and WOW players seems to indicate the opposite.

DK's are a novelty, of course everyone was going to make one.  How could this be a surprise for you?  I played one for a few hours, and that was it.  But I certainly aren't going to waste my time freaking out because so many others are enjoying them.  Let them have their fun.

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by skydragonren

Originally posted by IronZ

PS. On a side note, NOONE has questioned anything, I have heard a lot of QQ and people wondering why I hate the DK so much, which I knew was coming. I also think I gave ample reason enough for why I personally hate the DK class. I haven't been proven wrong on anything I said. You are not going to find 1 single person playing wow right now that doesn't agree that the DK population is out of control. EVERY wow server is so over populated with them it is hard to breath in the game. I can't take 2 steps on my server without tripping over one.

I decided last night, I will no longer party with DK's or Heal a DK when they need it. I had 4 other healers also agree with the same. They would no longer heal them in raids or party with them in the world. Going to be a lot of DK deaths on our BG it seems. Cause they won't be getting any heals from me inside the BG's.

We are on a DK Strike.

 

 

 

I would say that most of the "QQ" comes from you my boy.  Seriously, get over yourself and grow up.  You're the typical "kiddie" playing WoW that most people hate.  Jesus, people like you make me laugh!

Z

 

This isn't a QQ post, the post was intended to point out that DK's are to widespread across wow, trashing the game. The only ones who disagree with this are the ones who play DK's.

Which will soon be the majority of wow players.

I don't have to QQ , I made my choice already. I don't heal them, I don't play with them, and I spit in their face every chance I get.

F**K a DK.

Blizzard will eventually nerf them out of existence, it's coming. This tank nerf will be enough to make half of them quit wow I hope. The other half will be delt with in time.

I am older than you I am sure, so watch who you are calling a "kiddie".

So first you say they will soon be the majority of WOW players?

But.....

then you say "Blizzard will eventually nerf them out of existence"....

Which is it?

And you may be older than some but your immaturity and attitude towards DK's, Blizzard and WOW players seems to indicate the opposite.

They need to be nerfed out of existence, the sad truth though however, is they will soon be played by the majority.

Between us, I do not even think the frost nerf is going to deter them from playing DK's. It may stop them from tanking, but with the buffs to blood line, they will just respec and keep on moving forward.

Also that is the great thing about MMO's. I can treat players however I choose to. If I choose to spit in the face of every DK I see. That is my decision. What are they going to do about it? Nothing.

Beg for a heal in the BG... go screw yourself. Im the one playing the healer. If you wanted a heal you should have rolled a priest or shaman or something.

How I choose to treat a class in wow is on me.

"It's a novelty class, it's still new, of course everyone's going to play it."

Really? 9 months after release is still new?

"They're all level 58s, alts, just checking out the new quest chain and the mechanics."

You're right, to an extent. However, there are just as many level 80 DKs, too, who people play as their mains. On par with Paladins, at least on my server, which is kind of funny since one is Undead and the other is the nemesis of Undeath.

"Why do you care what class other people play?"

Because this is an MMO, meaning you're going to have to work with those people. It's picky, for sure, but it's important to the OP so leave it at that. If a significant amount of people at work started wearing clothes you despise (not gonna give any examples), wouldn't you want to say something? They'd tell you, "Why do you care what I wear?"

Well, those are the main points of this thread. I personally don't mind DKs, because I thought it'd be as bad as the OP states when I installed Wrath. However, it's not that bad... on my server, at least. I play a Hunter. My Guild has a couple of 80 DKs, but also a fair variety of other classes except Rogues and Warlocks.

Originally posted by skydragonren

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by skydragonren

Originally posted by IronZ

PS. On a side note, NOONE has questioned anything, I have heard a lot of QQ and people wondering why I hate the DK so much, which I knew was coming. I also think I gave ample reason enough for why I personally hate the DK class. I haven't been proven wrong on anything I said. You are not going to find 1 single person playing wow right now that doesn't agree that the DK population is out of control. EVERY wow server is so over populated with them it is hard to breath in the game. I can't take 2 steps on my server without tripping over one.

I decided last night, I will no longer party with DK's or Heal a DK when they need it. I had 4 other healers also agree with the same. They would no longer heal them in raids or party with them in the world. Going to be a lot of DK deaths on our BG it seems. Cause they won't be getting any heals from me inside the BG's.

We are on a DK Strike.

 

 

 

I would say that most of the "QQ" comes from you my boy.  Seriously, get over yourself and grow up.  You're the typical "kiddie" playing WoW that most people hate.  Jesus, people like you make me laugh!

Z

 

This isn't a QQ post, the post was intended to point out that DK's are to widespread across wow, trashing the game. The only ones who disagree with this are the ones who play DK's.

Which will soon be the majority of wow players.

I don't have to QQ , I made my choice already. I don't heal them, I don't play with them, and I spit in their face every chance I get.

F**K a DK.

Blizzard will eventually nerf them out of existence, it's coming. This tank nerf will be enough to make half of them quit wow I hope. The other half will be delt with in time.

I am older than you I am sure, so watch who you are calling a "kiddie".

So first you say they will soon be the majority of WOW players?

But.....

then you say "Blizzard will eventually nerf them out of existence"....

Which is it?

And you may be older than some but your immaturity and attitude towards DK's, Blizzard and WOW players seems to indicate the opposite.

They need to be nerfed out of existence, the sad truth though however, is they will soon be played by the majority.

Between us, I do not even think the frost nerf is going to deter them from playing DK's. It may stop them from tanking, but with the buffs to blood line, they will just respec and keep on moving forward.

 

Also that is the great thing about MMO's. I can treat players however I choose to. If I choose to spit in the face of every DK I see. That is my decision. What are they going to do about it? Nothing.

Beg for a heal in the BG... go screw yourself. Im the one playing the healer. If you wanted a heal you should have rolled a priest or shaman or something.

How I choose to treat a class in wow is on me.

I am so glad I do not play on Archimonde.

Feel free to treat DK's how you want and act how you want.

I guess I am just spoiled since I am in a guild of mature adults who act their age. We could care less who plays what class and we try and help players who need help with their classes. I have taught many Shaman how to heal and the best healing rotations. I have taught many Druids about proper range DPS and assisted them with their class. Even if its a Dk who doesn't understand how to play, my guild will help you out. We do not shun anyone nor do we treat anyone like dirt. And being one of the largest guilds on the server, proves that we are helpful. We also do not put up with immature, childish behavior and we expect all of our players to act like adults and treat other with respect, no matter what class they play.

Your job is to heal and if you do not want to heal a certain class, that is your perrogative to do so. However, sooner or later, players on your server will figure out that you are not healing certain classes (and causing the BG to fail or raid to wipe), and you will be less likely to get groups than the DK's you hate. A bad healer or a healer that doesn't heal is less tolerated than a DK (at least on my server). We kicked a guy from the guild because we brought him in as a healer (he claimed he liked to heal and was a good healer) and he never healed on any raids. And after asking him too, he said NO - he doesn't like to heal and its his choice not too, that he was going to DPS only. So we told him it is our choice to not let him raid,  so we did. He soon left but he applied to a guild ran by a friend of our guild leader's and we let that guild know that he wasn't a healer and only said it to get in guilds to get good loot. Sometimes your reputation preceeds you.

So instead of getting angry and acting like an immature, whiny "adult" on some forums, how about just play the game, stop worrying about what others play and remember its just a game.

its just like how rogue's use to be. There are a crap ton but only a select handfull are good. If you see a dk in pvp 9/10 times they are god aweful. My main's a DK. I rolled one not becuase they start at level 55 nor because there were initial over powered. I played one becuase back in the day my favorite hero from Warcraft III was the Scourges Death Knight. Thats why i rolled one and thats why I took the time to actually become good at the class unlike the rest.

I came back to wow after over a year off.  about 15 of my RL friends dragged me back since they all play on the same server/guild.  My previous main was a 50something hunter on the alliance side, my friends all play horde.  I had a choice,  go DK main or reroll something else and need way more hand holding/instance runs/pain in the ass.  So I rolled DK.  I'm not primarily frost spec, I have no desire to MT, my style is far more towards offtanking (which I find DK very much more suited for then main tanking, but that's my playstyle, my talent build and my gear choices...and years of raid offtanking on EQ).

So, yeah, DK saved me some time and alot of feeling like a retarded-hold-my-hand-and-pl-me stereotype of a wow player /shrug

Originally posted by blackthornn

I came back to wow after over a year off.  about 15 of my RL friends dragged me back since they all play on the same server/guild.  My previous main was a 50something hunter on the alliance side, my friends all play horde.  I had a choice,  go DK main or reroll something else and need way more hand holding/instance runs/pain in the ass.  So I rolled DK.  I'm not primarily frost spec, I have no desire to MT, my style is far more towards offtanking (which I find DK very much more suited for then main tanking, but that's my playstyle, my talent build and my gear choices...and years of raid offtanking on EQ).

 

So, yeah, DK saved me some time and alot of feeling like a retarded-hold-my-hand-and-pl-me stereotype of a wow player /shrug

Ok so this brings up another good point.

Since Blizzard is now going to allow cross faction transfers, do you plan to bring you old character over to play with your friends or stay with the DK?

Just asking, this isn't to bash you or anyting.

Originally posted by skydragonren
.....

I decided last night, I will no longer party with DK's or Heal a DK when they need it. I had 4 other healers also agree with the same. They would no longer heal them in raids or party with them in the world. Going to be a lot of DK deaths on our BG it seems. Cause they won't be getting any heals from me inside the BG's.

We are on a DK Strike.

 

This seems extremely childish. 

"You rolled a class I don't like Q.Q  I won't heal you!!!!!"
Dry your eyes and stop being so narrow minded, its a video game try playing with others in a way you would like to be played with.  Golden rule applies here.

How petty,

How childish,

How pointless.

Edit:  (I don't play a DK, I play a Prot / Ret Pally)  ((Also, when I was growing up my parents taught me the importance of being nice to other people and not being prejudiced, especially about stupid things like VIDEO GAMES))

Originally posted by skydragonren

Originally posted by blackthornn

I came back to wow after over a year off.  about 15 of my RL friends dragged me back since they all play on the same server/guild.  My previous main was a 50something hunter on the alliance side, my friends all play horde.  I had a choice,  go DK main or reroll something else and need way more hand holding/instance runs/pain in the ass.  So I rolled DK.  I'm not primarily frost spec, I have no desire to MT, my style is far more towards offtanking (which I find DK very much more suited for then main tanking, but that's my playstyle, my talent build and my gear choices...and years of raid offtanking on EQ).

 

So, yeah, DK saved me some time and alot of feeling like a retarded-hold-my-hand-and-pl-me stereotype of a wow player /shrug

 

Ok so this brings up another good point.

Since Blizzard is now going to allow cross faction transfers, dso you plan to bring you old character over to play with your friends or stay with the DK?

Just asking, this isn't to bash you or anyting.

hmm lets see, I'm married and a parent of 3.  Income goes toward food, rent, utilities, and a treating myself for a whopping $40 a month for 2 mmo accounts.  I'm not really THAT fond of my old hunter to spend the cash on a server transfer and a faction switch honestly.  I enjoy my DK.  I started him to save time but after putting the effort in, I'm damned good with him (and can pull off some really interesting things alot of DK players I know can't using a mix of unholy/blood). 

So no, I'd save my cash there (but if the faction changes don't require a race change I probably will start from scratch again with a NE druid and turn him Horde because to me (and that's the important thing) that would be worth the extra expense).

edit to add, yes, at this point my wow acct is inactive due to having had other needs for the cash, deciding to restart or not but the deciding is more atm on if I resub wow, vg or ao due to the ppl I know irl who play each

DK won't be OP for eternity. There're just more DKs because it's the newest class. Think about how many people played Shaman when alliance could first roll Shaman. More people playing DK means more competition for plate. those that lose out on the competition will eventually roll something else.

Meh the only thing I really hate fighting are Healing specs, mainly holy paladins and especially Resto Druids.

I eat DKS alive with my Shadow priest and did so even before the last series of Nerfs they got. I can see how they are more of a problem for melee classes but they are not severely OP to me especially now. .. I actually think 3.2 will be too hard on them.

I think some specs that have problems with them should be buffed to be sure, but thats because they are not buffed enough not really because DKs are that OP.. there just do better damage and survive better than some specs that have gotten the shaft lately hardly the DK players fault really. I do get really sick of seeing all the elf  and Gnome DKs as well as blood elf DKS.. they just make me sick... but thats because personally I think elf or gnome DKs are just a Tragedy that should never have happened.