Just don't respond to Povey's penis envy.

Originally posted by Lord_Ixigan

 

 NCsoft also made Guild Wars, so you figure it out for yourself.

NO they did not...why in the hell do B.net kiddies keep preaching this??

Arenanet  made Guild Wars NCsoft just acts as a publisher.....Arenanet has zilch zero nada to do with GW other than that.

NCsoft is just the publisher. Other companies devolped the games. Cryptic made CoH and Arenanet made Guild Wars, not NCsoft.

Originally posted by ronan32

Originally posted by Povey151

Originally posted by ronan32

OP korea has 10 times the mmo's we have in the west. nc soft is korean so i'll let you figure out the rest.

korea is mmo crazy

 

yeah and 99.9% of their MMO's are F2P Grindfest CRAP...

 

so the op's question still remains valid, and one I honestly wondered when seeing the reviews of it.

 

the op is saying that aion has no competition he isnt asking how good the mmo's are..korea has every mmo we have multiplied by 10...so aion has a lot competition. you went totally off topic with your hate mongering.

ronan32: He is right, 99.99% of MMOs in Korea is crap, their sole purpose is to make money and to be affordable to appeal to masses.  Ever wonder why NCsoft is the only company able to advertise and release their games in EU/US? Because their target customers are very different.  US/EU is built around quality, not affordability.  So I'd have to ask you not to make wild claims of "hate mongering." When you yourself is ignorance to the information at hand.

Also whoever said NCsoft made "great" games in the past like Lineage 2.... I've played that game for 3 months, It was complete garbage.  That game was made to make money, there was no quality in it that made it fun: grindfestering, bot farmers, and a customer service representative that condoned the bot farmers and had been in allegience to gold farming companies that were most likely right next to each other with the rest of the sweat shop workers.

Originally posted by Lifedrain

Quick question, is there much competition for MMO's there? I mean if theres no WoW, WAR, LotRO, EQ...I can see why AION is the biggest, no competition at all. I'm not saying AION won't be good, I don't think NCsoft has a very good record for games though, I've played almost all of them, Guild Wars is decent I guess.

I also have 2 questions for anyone who played lvl 1-10 beta, even though you only got to see up to lvl 10,

1. did you encounter a lot of invisible walls throughout zones/towns/wherever you were?

2. were there instanced zones, and were there loading times at all throughout? Thanks.

South Korea is the gaming capital of the world.  Seriously, its like football in America.

Originally posted by Oben

Originally posted by ronan32

Originally posted by Povey151

Originally posted by ronan32

OP korea has 10 times the mmo's we have in the west. nc soft is korean so i'll let you figure out the rest.

korea is mmo crazy

 

yeah and 99.9% of their MMO's are F2P Grindfest CRAP...

 

so the op's question still remains valid, and one I honestly wondered when seeing the reviews of it.

 

the op is saying that aion has no competition he isnt asking how good the mmo's are..korea has every mmo we have multiplied by 10...so aion has a lot competition. you went totally off topic with your hate mongering.

 

ronan32: He is right, 99.99% of MMOs in Korea is crap, their sole purpose is to make money and to be affordable to appeal to masses.  Ever wonder why NCsoft is the only company able to advertise and release their games in EU/US? Because their target customers are very different.  US/EU is built around quality, not affordability.  So I'd have to ask you not to make wild claims of "hate mongering." When you yourself is ignorance to the information at hand.

 

Also whoever said NCsoft made "great" games in the past like Lineage 2.... I've played that game for 3 months, It was complete garbage.  That game was made to make money, there was no quality in it that made it fun: grindfestering, bot farmers, and a customer service representative that condoned the bot farmers and had been in allegience to gold farming companies that were most likely right next to each other with the rest of the sweat shop workers.

So you are saying that Korean people aren't able to make quality games, and Korean players can't appreciate a quality game, but prefer grinders?  I got your hood and sheet from the dry cleaners.  They took the smoke stench out.

 

Also whoever said NCsoft made "great" games in the past like Lineage 2.... I've played that game for 3 months, It was complete garbage. 

Lineage 2 is a good game.  It's just made for a different type of gamer.  Asians eat that hardcore grinding stuff up, and don't really seem to care about bots/cheats/goldsellers.  I dunno why, its just a different culture.

for every 1 north american MMO, there is about 5 others that can be concidered competition.

In korea, for every 1 korean mmo, there is about 20-30. Where do you think all these free to play games come from? Korea has been doing MMOs long before we have, there is more then enough competition.

Every MMO that fails in korea just becomes free to play over here, rarely do we get any of the truly good korean MMOs.

An aion is f2p over there, same deal, Aion is number 1 in korea because it has earned it.

People are also missing the obvious point here.  WoW, LotRO, and EQ II *all* already have South Korean releases. Aion has been competing against these since day one. WAR is preparing for an Eastern Launch but I believe this has not occured yet (The S. Korea publisher is, among other things, redoing a lot of the models for orcs and dark elves for the market.)

From a technical perspective (except possibly WoW), Aion blows all of these out of the water. Like their games or not, NCsoft has far more MMOs under the development belt than any Western studio and know what they're doing.

Originally posted by A.Dantes

People are also missing the obvious point here.  WoW, LotRO, and EQ II *all* already have South Korean releases. Aion has been competing against these since day one. WAR is preparing for an Eastern Launch but I believe this has not occured yet (The S. Korea publisher is, among other things, redoing a lot of the models for orcs and dark elves for the market.)

From a technical perspective (except possibly WoW), Aion blows all of these out of the water. Like their games or not, NCsoft has far more MMOs under the development belt than any Western studio and know what they're doing.

Good point. I'm hardcore korean mmo gamer I played DAOC for long enough years, I'll add something more on this post.

WoW,LotRO and EQ II and DDO and etc etc major mmos published in Korea and made some issues.

WoW was owned Korea's 50-60% mmo market share follow some research from news,magazine,i-cafe statistics.

LoTRO made average succeed i remember but it wasn't

be big enough and sinking down by time passed cause of low population.

EQ II and DDO had epic fail compared to their name value(most mmos that launched at around 2003-2008 was like this case)

Before Aion get launched in Korea

WoW had 5-60% mmo market share, Lineage1 10-15%, Lineage2 15-20%(I'd cutted off bot population from it)

When Aion launched at first, 2008/11 i think, a week after WOTLK had released also.

But WOTLK couldn't pumped up their population because of Aion.

Aion having 4-50% mmo market share now, WoW is about 2-30%, Lineage1+2 20-30% during 2008/11~2009/6

Aion holing number 1 subscriber tightly for those 7months without a doubt.

Still old MMORPG lovers and core gamer liked to playing WoW i think

but as soon as they get bored on it, they coming to Aion for something fresh(especially for PvP, you got right direction)

Warhammer and AOC going to be launched in korea after some months i heard.

But I don't think they can beat Aion and bigger than it.

Anyway very cruel and big mmorpg market is up here than you thought, don't show off your ignorance anymore.

And Aion holding number1 subs easily while those competition going on.

Originally posted by kilkil2

Originally posted by A.Dantes

People are also missing the obvious point here.  WoW, LotRO, and EQ II *all* already have South Korean releases. Aion has been competing against these since day one. WAR is preparing for an Eastern Launch but I believe this has not occured yet (The S. Korea publisher is, among other things, redoing a lot of the models for orcs and dark elves for the market.)

From a technical perspective (except possibly WoW), Aion blows all of these out of the water. Like their games or not, NCsoft has far more MMOs under the development belt than any Western studio and know what they're doing.

 

Good point. I'm hardcore korean mmo gamer I played DAOC for long enough years, I'll add something more on this post.

WoW,LotRO and EQ II and DDO and etc etc major mmos published in Korea and made some issues.

WoW was owned Korea's 50-60% mmo market share follow some research from news,magazine,i-cafe statistics.

LoTRO made average succeed i remember but it wasn't

be big enough and sinking down by time passed cause of low population.

EQ II and DDO had epic fail compared to their name value(most mmos that launched at around 2003-2008 was like this case)

Before Aion get launched in Korea

WoW had 5-60% mmo market share, Lineage1 10-15%, Lineage2 15-20%(I'd cutted off bot population from it)

When Aion launched at first, 2008/11 i think, a week after WOTLK had released also.

But WOTLK couldn't pumped up their population because of Aion.

Aion having 4-50% mmo market share now, WoW is about 2-30%, Lineage1+2 20-30% during 2008/11~2009/6

Aion holing number 1 subscriber tightly for those 7months without a doubt.

Still old MMORPG lovers and core gamer liked to playing WoW i think

but as soon as they get bored on it, they coming to Aion for something fresh(especially for PvP, you got right direction)

Warhammer and AOC going to be launched in korea after some months i heard.

But I don't think they can beat Aion and bigger than it.

Anyway very cruel and big mmorpg market is up here than you thought, don't show off your ignorance anymore.

And Aion holding number1 subs easily while those competition going on.

I would honestly like to see some proof backing up those figures. I can pull out random numbers out of thin air too. Last time I checked, WoW had about 5.5 million Asian players. I fail to see how Aion, even with 3.5 million can be number one in subscriptions.

Even with the whole The9 fiasco.

Originally posted by Lord_Ixigan

Originally posted by ronan32

OP korea has 10 times the mmo's we have in the west. nc soft is korean so i'll let you figure out the rest.

korea is mmo crazy

 

This.

The gaming industry is a mainstream thing in Korea. You see ads on billboards, commercials far more often than in the west and their gaming events are usually bigger, besides e3.

Korea is one of the leading countries in the world for the IT industry and NCsoft is the biggest online company in Korea. NCsoft is a global company with headquarters just about everywhere. All NCsoft has ever done is develope MMO's since the company was started back in 97. Their games were never really big in the west, L2 had a wider audience than lineage. Then CoH hit and gained a somewhat larger appeal. There's a bunch of super casual f2p's mog's (multi-player online games, they aren't massive) from ncsoft out there. NCsoft also made Guild Wars, so you figure it out for yourself.

www.youtube.com/watch

^^ even though it's China and not Korea.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by kilkil2

Originally posted by A.Dantes

People are also missing the obvious point here.  WoW, LotRO, and EQ II *all* already have South Korean releases. Aion has been competing against these since day one. WAR is preparing for an Eastern Launch but I believe this has not occured yet (The S. Korea publisher is, among other things, redoing a lot of the models for orcs and dark elves for the market.)

From a technical perspective (except possibly WoW), Aion blows all of these out of the water. Like their games or not, NCsoft has far more MMOs under the development belt than any Western studio and know what they're doing.

 

Good point. I'm hardcore korean mmo gamer I played DAOC for long enough years, I'll add something more on this post.

WoW,LotRO and EQ II and DDO and etc etc major mmos published in Korea and made some issues.

WoW was owned Korea's 50-60% mmo market share follow some research from news,magazine,i-cafe statistics.

LoTRO made average succeed i remember but it wasn't

be big enough and sinking down by time passed cause of low population.

EQ II and DDO had epic fail compared to their name value(most mmos that launched at around 2003-2008 was like this case)

Before Aion get launched in Korea

WoW had 5-60% mmo market share, Lineage1 10-15%, Lineage2 15-20%(I'd cutted off bot population from it)

When Aion launched at first, 2008/11 i think, a week after WOTLK had released also.

But WOTLK couldn't pumped up their population because of Aion.

Aion having 4-50% mmo market share now, WoW is about 2-30%, Lineage1+2 20-30% during 2008/11~2009/6

Aion holing number 1 subscriber tightly for those 7months without a doubt.

Still old MMORPG lovers and core gamer liked to playing WoW i think

but as soon as they get bored on it, they coming to Aion for something fresh(especially for PvP, you got right direction)

Warhammer and AOC going to be launched in korea after some months i heard.

But I don't think they can beat Aion and bigger than it.

Anyway very cruel and big mmorpg market is up here than you thought, don't show off your ignorance anymore.

And Aion holding number1 subs easily while those competition going on.

 

I would honestly like to see some proof backing up those figures. I can pull out random numbers out of thin air too. Last time I checked, WoW had about 5.5 million Asian players. I fail to see how Aion, even with 3.5 million can be number one in subscriptions.

Even with the whole The9 fiasco.

I'm not meant Asian but Korean.

Actually I don't know about totall subscriptions it was mistake to say number1 that easily ok.

You can find one good statistics in www.gametrics.com

This site count everyday's i-cafe market sharing about all games people played in korean major i-cafe.

Aion always marking 12-20% as number one.

Second one is Sudden Attacks the fps game. Third one is Starcraft, 4th Warcraft, 5th WOW, 6th Lineage2 etc.

I figured out that statement 'Aion is number one in Korea'

from the site above and very much articles from massive online game magazine sites too much to link..

ex Gameabout,Thisisgame,Gamechosun etc what sites like mmorpg/ign etc

 those magazine  talked and made article alot about Aion's popularity beaten WOW's one.

I saw quite much source about that but I don't like to dump my energy to link and find it one and one so sticky.

You may just don't believe my statement that does not bringing beliveable clues and statistics.

I'm quite lazy atm sorry..

Originally posted by kilkil2

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by kilkil2

Originally posted by A.Dantes

People are also missing the obvious point here.  WoW, LotRO, and EQ II *all* already have South Korean releases. Aion has been competing against these since day one. WAR is preparing for an Eastern Launch but I believe this has not occured yet (The S. Korea publisher is, among other things, redoing a lot of the models for orcs and dark elves for the market.)

From a technical perspective (except possibly WoW), Aion blows all of these out of the water. Like their games or not, NCsoft has far more MMOs under the development belt than any Western studio and know what they're doing.

 

Good point. I'm hardcore korean mmo gamer I played DAOC for long enough years, I'll add something more on this post.

WoW,LotRO and EQ II and DDO and etc etc major mmos published in Korea and made some issues.

WoW was owned Korea's 50-60% mmo market share follow some research from news,magazine,i-cafe statistics.

LoTRO made average succeed i remember but it wasn't

be big enough and sinking down by time passed cause of low population.

EQ II and DDO had epic fail compared to their name value(most mmos that launched at around 2003-2008 was like this case)

Before Aion get launched in Korea

WoW had 5-60% mmo market share, Lineage1 10-15%, Lineage2 15-20%(I'd cutted off bot population from it)

When Aion launched at first, 2008/11 i think, a week after WOTLK had released also.

But WOTLK couldn't pumped up their population because of Aion.

Aion having 4-50% mmo market share now, WoW is about 2-30%, Lineage1+2 20-30% during 2008/11~2009/6

Aion holing number 1 subscriber tightly for those 7months without a doubt.

Still old MMORPG lovers and core gamer liked to playing WoW i think

but as soon as they get bored on it, they coming to Aion for something fresh(especially for PvP, you got right direction)

Warhammer and AOC going to be launched in korea after some months i heard.

But I don't think they can beat Aion and bigger than it.

Anyway very cruel and big mmorpg market is up here than you thought, don't show off your ignorance anymore.

And Aion holding number1 subs easily while those competition going on.

 

I would honestly like to see some proof backing up those figures. I can pull out random numbers out of thin air too. Last time I checked, WoW had about 5.5 million Asian players. I fail to see how Aion, even with 3.5 million can be number one in subscriptions.

Even with the whole The9 fiasco.

 

I'm not meant Asian but Korean.

Actually I don't know about totall subscriptions it was mistake to say number1 that easily ok.

You can find one good statistics in www.gametrics.com

This site count everyday's i-cafe market sharing about all games people played in korean major i-cafe.

Aion always marking 12-20% as number one.

Second one is Sudden Attacks the fps game. Third one is Starcraft, 4th Warcraft, 5th WOW, 6th Lineage2 etc.

I figured out that statement 'Aion is number one in Korea'

from the site above and very much articles from massive online game magazine sites too much to link..

ex Gameabout,Thisisgame,Gamechosun etc what sites like mmorpg/ign etc

 those magazine  talked and made article alot about Aion's popularity beaten WOW's one.

I saw quite much source about that but I don't like to dump my energy to link and find it one and one so sticky.

You may just don't believe my statement that does not bringing beliveable clues and statistics.

I'm quite lazy atm sorry..

I don't doubt that your statement may be correct. WoW being more popular in the west, doesn't mean that it will be more popular in the east. Just like Aion being more popular in the east does not guarantee that it will be more popular in the west.

Either way, I believe that WoW has reached it's peak. Only way to go now is down.

If SWTOR fails u can pretty much write off any good mmo will ever come out of US anymore.