Originally posted by pwnzorellOr

 

so you play computer games since ~1979?

you consider NWN as a MMO?

and you are from which planet again? aventuria?

yes, I think 1980 or 81 was my first PC video game on the Vic20.

And for the purposes of this conversation I do consider NWN an MMO. That said, for the puposes of this conversation and MMO has nearly nothing to do with my point and I think you all are using the MMO as a way out becuase you know I am right

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by pwnzorellOr

 

so you play computer games since ~1979?

you consider NWN as a MMO?

and you are from which planet again? aventuria?

 

 

yes, I think 1980 or 81 was my first PC video game on the Vic20.

And for the purposes of this conversation I do consider NWN an MMO. That said, for the puposes of this conversation and MMO has nearly nothing to do with my point and I think you all are using the MMO as a way out becuase you know I am right

yes yes we are all wrong and you alone are so right that it is coming out of my ears. i am in awe of your wisdom.

WHERE IS TEH MMO WITH TEH WAY OUT BEFORE HE LOGS INTOZ NWN!! HE`S RIGHT EEELP!

Originally posted by Scoorge

 

yes yes we are all wrong and you alone are so right that it is coming out of my ears. i am in awe of your wisdom.

WHERE IS TEH MMO WITH TEH WAY OUT BEFORE HE LOGS INTOZ NWN!! HE`S RIGHT EEELP!

it doesnt matter if the subject of the poiint is an MMO, a pair of shoes, a place to eat, a movie or a cable subscription, the point is the same with just a slight alteration depending on subject.

Furthermore, you know it.

EDIT: by the way I think everyone knows its not a huge leap between cable subscription and an MMO subscription in this context and more importantly in almost all cases when a debate restorts to a persons personal experience or background its usally a debate that has been lost by the side using the personal tactics.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by pwnzorellOr

 

so you play computer games since ~1979?

you consider NWN as a MMO?

and you are from which planet again? aventuria?

 

 

yes, I think 1980 or 81 was my first PC video game on the Vic20.

And for the purposes of this conversation I do consider NWN an MMO. That said, for the puposes of this conversation and MMO has nearly nothing to do with my point and I think you all are using the MMO as a way out becuase you know I am right

"for the purpose of the conversation" you consider NWN as a MMO ... oh my god, seriously - WTF ?

are you drinking while posting on the forum?

my english is by no means perfect but most of the stuff that you type just makes no sense at all!

you love this game, which most people think is an insult and a scam by AV to their long term followers and which even most people who like the concept of the game consider it as unpolished, lacking and failing in many aspects and you try to force your opinion with weird arguments and your crazed view of things on the people here and even on the official forum!

it really doesn't matter to you what people tell you why they think that this game sucks and that AV are shifty developers - you won't accept it. never. ever.

ah, well ... at you least you are entertaining. and please do me a favor and explain why you consider "NWN as a MMo for the purpose of the conversation" and why we use "the MMO" as a way out because we know that you are right. pretty please! :D

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

 

it doesnt matter if the subject of the poiint is an MMO, a pair of shoes, a place to eat, a movie or a cable subscription, the point is the same with just a slight alteration depending on subject.

Furthermore, you know it.

EDIT: by the way I think everyone knows its not a huge leap between cable subscription and an MMO subscription in this context and more importantly in almost all cases when a debate restorts to a persons personal experience or background its usally a debate that has been lost by the side using the personal tactics.

no, people started to question your background not because they don't have any arguments anymore. they started to question your background because you post really, really weird stuff here.

Originally posted by pwnzorellOr

 

no, people started to question your background not because they don't have any arguments anymore. they started to question your background because you post really, really weird stuff here.

again, when people resort to personal to justify a non-personal arguement it usally means they have already lost the argument.

It doesnt matter if we are talking about and MMO or a cable subscription, the exact same prinicples apply.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by pwnzorellOr

 

no, people started to question your background not because they don't have any arguments anymore. they started to question your background because you post really, really weird stuff here.

 

again, when people resort to personal to justify a non-personal arguement it usally means they have already lost the argument.

It doesnt matter if we are talking about and MMO or a cable subscription, the exact same prinicples apply.

again, no one resorted to personal, people asked you for your background in gaming because they want to figure out why you post such nonsense.

edit : typo

Originally posted by pwnzorellOr

 

again, no one resorted to personal, people asked you for your background in gaming because they want to figure out why you post such nonsense.

 

edit : typo

and again.

When talking about watching companies behavior in the context of what i am talking about one could easily replace the word "cable company" with "MMO" and the points would apply nearly exactly.

Can we get back on topic please? Never mind the dribble some fans are spewing.

Any word yet on who the NA publisher is? Or like the "Expansion" do we have to wait till the day before.

Originally posted by Otiro

Can we get back on topic please? Never mind the dribble some fans are spewing.

Any word yet on who the NA publisher is? Or like the "Expansion" do we have to wait till the day before.

 

I think that Aventurine is trying to hold off as long as possible on disclosing who the publisher is. 

For some reason they think some of their players may balk when they finally have to disclose that they are self-publishing. 

They will still have the faithful few though that will back them with that decision though.

Nevermind that it will make a lot of what they said before invalid... that really won't matter at all. 

Originally posted by xzyax

I think that Aventurine is trying to hold off as long as possible on disclosing who the publisher is. 

For some reason they think some of their players may balk when they finally have to disclose that they are self-publishing. 

They will still have the faithful few though that will back them with that decision though.

 

Nevermind that it will make a lot of what they said before invalid... that really won't matter at all. 

I know we have been down this road a little bit before but I very honestly think there are a huge number of gamers in the world would dont really care if its self published or not.
 

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by Otiro

Can we get back on topic please? Never mind the dribble some fans are spewing.

Any word yet on who the NA publisher is? Or like the "Expansion" do we have to wait till the day before.

 

I think that Aventurine is trying to hold off as long as possible on disclosing who the publisher is. 

For some reason they think some of their players may balk when they finally have to disclose that they are self-publishing. 

They will still have the faithful few though that will back them with that decision though.

 

Nevermind that it will make a lot of what they said before invalid... that really won't matter at all. 

Well if they do self publish, that faithful few will be really small.

I would hope The Aventurine would be smart and have a decent publisher to help the game grow.How ever with that said I do think they are self publishing like you said.

Originally posted by Otiro

Well if they do self publish, that faithful few will be really small.

I would hope The Aventurine would be smart and have a decent publisher to help the game grow.How ever with that said I do think they are self publishing like you said.

 

They were self publishing before the game was out and the entire MMO very exicted about it. They self publsihed when the servers came on line and people came in mass. They are still self publishing now even though many players have quit but regardless, publishers do not write code so I really dont see how it matters.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Otiro

Well if they do self publish, that faithful few will be really small.

I would hope The Aventurine would be smart and have a decent publisher to help the game grow.How ever with that said I do think they are self publishing like you said.

 

 

They were self publishing before the game was out and the entire MMO very exicted about it. They self publsihed when the servers came on line and people came in mass. They are still self publishing now even though many players have quit but regardless, publishers do not write code so I really dont see how it matters.

Aventurine is the company writing the code. They are the ones that made Darkfall. They are the ones that are implementing the Expansion. They are the ones most likely publishing the game. They are the same company.

Understand?

So if they Self publish in NA, and still are charging $50.00 for a new client and saying they have to because they have a different publisher, they are blantantly lying. You don't see a problem with this?

Originally posted by Otiro

Aventurine is the company writing the code. They are the ones that made Darkfall. They are the ones that are implementing the Expansion. They are the ones most likely publishing the game. They are the same company.

Understand?

So if they Self publish in NA, and still are charging $50.00 for a new client and saying they have to because they have a different publisher, they are blantantly lying. You don't see a problem with this?

 

 

not exactly but I think you and I are talking about two different things.

I am asking why does it matter who is publishing the game.

I am not sure what your point is regarding the question of who is the publisher.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

I know we have been down this road a little bit before but I very honestly think there are a huge number of gamers in the world would dont really care if its self published or not.
 

You know, that is true. There are plenty of people who probably don't care who the publisher is. That said, this thread was created by, and for, people who do care who the publisher is. There motives for caring might be different and range from concerns about dishonesty to pure trivia value. So why are you here if you don't care about the actual topic, as in the topic that this thread is about? I'm just curious as your behavior seems to directly contradict your words and I just want to understand if you are just here for reaction or if you do actually care who the publisher is since that is the topic of the thread.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Otiro

Well if they do self publish, that faithful few will be really small.

I would hope The Aventurine would be smart and have a decent publisher to help the game grow.How ever with that said I do think they are self publishing like you said.

 

 

They were self publishing before the game was out and the entire MMO very exicted about it. They self publsihed when the servers came on line and people came in mass. They are still self publishing now even though many players have quit but regardless, publishers do not write code so I really dont see how it matters.

"People came in mass".

Ummm...you do realize that by  *any* standard, their start-up was one of the smallest in MMO history, right?

They had a tiny number of players to begin with, and their retention rate is dismal. They may have had players "very excited" before they opened the servers, but that "excitement" disappeared as soon as players got to see the actual state of the game.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Otiro

Well if they do self publish, that faithful few will be really small.

I would hope The Aventurine would be smart and have a decent publisher to help the game grow.How ever with that said I do think they are self publishing like you said.

 

 

They were self publishing before the game was out and the entire MMO very exicted about it. They self publsihed when the servers came on line and people came in mass. They are still self publishing now even though many players have quit but regardless, publishers do not write code so I really dont see how it matters.

Heh... you are new to MMOs.

Nothing about DarkFall's release had anything resembling "people came in mass". 

DarkFall so far has been a micro-MMO. 

No P2P MMO has had as small of a release.  None.

And Aventurine did not claim to self-publish DarkFall by the way.  A few of us speculated that they in fact did... but they never officially admitted that.

Read these links:

forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php

forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php

Of special note.

They make a joint announcement of the release date.

They make special note of DarkFall's "partners" joining at a late date for the reason of the delay from 1-22 to 2-25.

Anyway, it's like everything else regarding DarkFall and Aventurine... they just can't come out and tell the truth. 

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Otiro

Aventurine is the company writing the code. They are the ones that made Darkfall. They are the ones that are implementing the Expansion. They are the ones most likely publishing the game. They are the same company.

Understand?

So if they Self publish in NA, and still are charging $50.00 for a new client and saying they have to because they have a different publisher, they are blantantly lying. You don't see a problem with this?

 

 

 

not exactly but I think you and I are talking about two different things.

I am asking why does it matter who is publishing the game.

I am not sure what your point is regarding the question of who is the publisher.

Just read this thread, You have even responded to some of them.

I for one am now done with you.

Originally posted by Otiro

Just read this thread, You have even responded to some of them.

I for one am now done with you.

I ask questions becuase what you say doesnt make any sense based on what I said.

My best guess is that you are stating that you are upset that AV might have lied about who is publishing.

While my question and reply was not related to that at all but more of a question why do publishers matter.