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I was trying to find out who was the NA publisher and ran into this link. www.darkfallchronicles.com/general.htm Now this was when Razorwax was creating the game. However the publisher at the time was SA Aventurine. Who is making this game? I have not been able to find a NA publisher though. Just curious on what your thoughts are on this. |
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6/27/09 1:07:08 AM#2
I asked this same quesiton on the offical forums. I highly doubt that we will get a reply soon. The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. When will developers (and players) become sane? Now go eat some grass like everyone else. |
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6/27/09 3:24:55 AM#3
Well, if that's true, then this really is a bait and switch tactic, as Aventurine are capable of giving away free copies, and knew about this for at least 6 years.  |
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6/27/09 11:34:28 AM#4
Originally posted by Kentho The fact that they haven't announced who owns the rights in North America is troubling for a couple of reasons:
~Ripper |
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6/27/09 12:17:34 PM#5
Originally posted by rhinok The fact that they haven't announced who owns the rights in North America is troubling for a couple of reasons:
~Ripper
This same question was posed on the Official Forums there was some good information presented by a couple posters. |
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6/27/09 2:26:44 PM#6
I've been asking who the publisher is since the May 27th update when Tasos first referenced there being different rights holders. If there is a legitimate publisher, why hasn't it been announced? Thanks for the link, but there's nothing new there. ~Ripper |
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6/27/09 5:26:08 PM#7
Originally posted by rhinok The fact that they haven't announced who owns the rights in North America is troubling for a couple of reasons:
~Ripper Are you pretending to have intelligence on this situation? Do you know what publishers do? Publishers don't just box a product and ship it. If that was the case, there would probably be no issue here. The problem is that most publishers, such as EA, have rules and regulations they want to tie into the game, such as "no blood" to get the T rating, or "bans are on our terms" which I'm sure you wouldn't want EA doling out bans in a game such as this. Just because Aventurine MAY be self-publishing doesn't necessarily mean they're being greedy. I would be willing to bet money that if Aventurine is self-publishing, its because NA Publishers are a bunch of big-headed "I know how to run the business" asshats. |
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6/27/09 6:27:12 PM#8
Originally posted by Shanesan
It'd be nice if you had some intimate knowledge of this situation before making a knee jerk reaction. |
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6/27/09 6:48:58 PM#9
Originally posted by Autarch
It'd be nice if you had some intimate knowledge of this situation before making a knee jerk reaction. Just because you have 10 posts more than me, doesn't mean I haven't been monitoring the situation since 2005.
P.S. Posting here is probably a waste of my time, for I am, as Anonymous would say, "pissing in a sea of piss".
P.P.S. "Well, if that's true, then this really is a bait and switch tactic, as Aventurine are capable of giving away free copies, and knew about this for at least 6 years." You have no idea what you're talking about. Free copies? Why would they do that? Why would they want to generally do that? They are a business. If the publisher wants to make money, they want a head start before the people who bought the game at launch can come ruin a good NA startup with people who have been playing for the last 6 months. They probably had to dump a series of publishers just because they wouldn't accept to the terms of "free transfers". If you want to play in a NA server NOW, go ahead, buy it again, start over. But they want to give them a chance, and who is to say they can't? It's their game, they're not being greedy, they're being rational. Now, if you wanted to start a new character, what is the difference between the NA or EU servers other than 50 ping? |
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6/27/09 7:13:38 PM#10
Another link from the Official Forums that has some interesting information related to this topic: forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php
This is the part that is especially interesting: 6 months later Benjamin Cabarrubias Bye who was Razorwax's executive director at its founding appears to no longer involved in the company. Enterprises 02.08.2001 http://rpgvaultarchive.ign.com/featu...darkfall.shtml
http://www.anvilsociety.com/wax/news2.htm http://www.warcry.com/news/view/2503 4 months later Razorwax's Board changes again. Enterprises 06.02.2003 All the original investors in Razorwax apart from the Darkfall "developers" are no longer involved with the company presumably after the announcement it was developing Darkfall and its failure to be successfull in bingo/sweepstakes services, and was going to "merge" with Aventurine in Greece. And now Jade El Mehdawi, Tasos and Spiridon Iordanis are on the board of Razorwax and its owners, as well as Claus and Ricki, the very same people as well as other's like Henning Ludvigson who are also owners / partners / investors in Aventurine. Aventurine was simply created by the original developers from Razorwax along with investor/owners who are all the developers and producers of Darkfall, after the initial investment from the other previous board members of Razowax ran out.
They opened that Aventurine company themselves.
Edit: This is the kind of stuff that I wish that mmorpg.com staff would do a bit more investigative reporting on. I think there is a story at the end of this... but it would take a bit of digging to get to the bottom of. If a site like mmorpg.com took it upon themselves to uncover the real story here they could do quite a service to the gaming public. Perhaps there is nothing to uncover, but it sure seems like the more we find out the more odd it seems. Anyway, as with Dark and Light and Mourning... I'm sure that eventually all will be revealed. |
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6/27/09 7:56:42 PM#11
Okay, so they absorbed a company and used its name. There's thousands of transactions like this a day. The difference being they moved their entire staff from Norway or wherever to Greece during this transition for the tax relief.
I'm still not getting where they were deceptive in any way. At the time, they did "find" and "sign" a publishing deal, then a little later they took the company over. And? |
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Originally posted by xzyax Thanks for the info. Even though companies merge all the time. I still feel that something shady is going on. Maybe nothing is shady, Anventurine just maybe incompetent. I mean if you have created a game for the masses, and claim to have a publisher. Why all the secrecy? Why all the late information and the information given always vague. Publishers are suppose to promote the game. Yet the NA server launches in 10 days from this post. Just seems odd for a company to do something like this, especially for an mmorpg. You would think that there would be at least some type of advertisement for it. I just don't know. As for the Transfers. Why the secrecy on restrictions? Why not post what they will be so the loyal player base can make an informed decision on whether to transfer or buy a new client or what ever. If Aventurine is publishing this game why not allow free transfers, to show some loyalty back to the players. They claim to be players themselves, if so they would understand what their player base is feeling and would do what they could to retain them. Oh well guess we will just have to wait and see. |
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6/27/09 10:19:09 PM#13
Originally posted by Shanesan Are you pretending to have intelligence on this situation? Do you know what publishers do? Publishers don't just box a product and ship it. If that was the case, there would probably be no issue here. The problem is that most publishers, such as EA, have rules and regulations they want to tie into the game, such as "no blood" to get the T rating, or "bans are on our terms" which I'm sure you wouldn't want EA doling out bans in a game such as this. Just because Aventurine MAY be self-publishing doesn't necessarily mean they're being greedy. I would be willing to bet money that if Aventurine is self-publishing, its because NA Publishers are a bunch of big-headed "I know how to run the business" asshats.
as someone else pointed out - get a clue
the greedy part is the need to purchase the game all over again to play on the NA server - - - because the publisher expects to get some money out of it - - - if, and that is certainly a big if, aventurine is self publishing then the whole "pay again" is a bit of a scam isn't it
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6/27/09 10:23:26 PM#14
Why even bother talking about this mess of a game, it has taken it's rightful place on these forums just below a 1997 bad game Hostile Space . AV had the chance to make a good game and even with all they didn't put in the game if they would have just be honest people would still give them a chance but with AV/DF it's a shell game..
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6/27/09 10:31:45 PM#15
Originally posted by sanedor
Yup. Aventurine has been pissing away their subscriber's goodwill faster than a 5-year old trying to spell Christopher in the snow. |
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6/28/09 12:18:12 AM#16
Originally posted by Shanesan Are you pretending to have intelligence on this situation? Do you know what publishers do? Publishers don't just box a product and ship it. If that was the case, there would probably be no issue here. The problem is that most publishers, such as EA, have rules and regulations they want to tie into the game, such as "no blood" to get the T rating, or "bans are on our terms" which I'm sure you wouldn't want EA doling out bans in a game such as this. Just because Aventurine MAY be self-publishing doesn't necessarily mean they're being greedy. I would be willing to bet money that if Aventurine is self-publishing, its because NA Publishers are a bunch of big-headed "I know how to run the business" asshats.
I know what publishers do. That's the point, really. Before the game launched in Europe, I questioned what AudioVisual was doing for Darkfall, since they didn't appear to be fulfilling any of the traditional publisher roles. Actually, they still don't appear to be doing so. My comments regarding Aventurine being greedy by self-publishing (if that's the case) are based on a number of points:
~Ripper |
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6/28/09 1:11:22 AM#17
Womp womp womp. You proved my point. You don't even read. Here, I'll do it for you. "Clarification: American players wanting to clone and transfer their characters do not have to buy another client." ~Tasos You can go home now.
Interesting. I'll agree with you on these points. We'll see what comes out in the coming days. |
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6/28/09 1:58:41 AM#18
Originally posted by Shanesan It says client. Not account. KTHXBAI |
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6/28/09 2:49:28 AM#19
Originally posted by Autarch It says client. Not account. KTHXBAI Personally, I think it's just poorly phrased. Nobody buys software. They buy the license to use it. In the case of online games, you're licensed to login to the game with your account. Either way, the point is moot. If you want to play on the North American server at launch, you'll need to pay for the privilege. If you wait 3 months for the transfers, you won't have to buy a license to play on the North American server, but you will have to pay a transfer fee and will be subjected to limitations. Also, should players want to play on both the North American and European servers, they'lll most likely need to subscribe to the game twice, once for each publisher. This is similar to what happens with other games, so it's not unprecedented. What isn't typical, however, is that there's only one server/region. ~Ripper |
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6/28/09 1:47:34 PM#20
Originally posted by AutarchOriginally posted by Shanesan It says client. Not account. KTHXBAI Show me one person who bought a client, not an ACCOUNT, as a prerequisite to the "do not have to buy ANOTHER client" part. He mixed up the terms, not unintenionally imo, to give the impression you would not need to make 2 purchases. Technically, hes legit though, this man is a GOD. |
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