Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

Originally posted by Postal13

According to Badger's graph, Starsider has 2000 players, is that correct?

That's less than the lowest population servers in WoW....LoL!

 

No.  I only have statistics that show players who are factionally aligned and have spent a month or so gaining GCW points to achieve Lieutenant rank, thats a rather small subset of the current player base.

You logged into Starsider and found nobody in Eisley?  I'll go for the good old "screenshots or it didn't happen". :)

Even though it was the middle of the aftenoon on a weekday, I'd still expect to see someone...

Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

Originally posted by Postal13

According to Badger's graph, Starsider has 2000 players, is that correct?

That's less than the lowest population servers in WoW....LoL!

 

No.  I only have statistics that show players who are factionally aligned and have spent a month or so gaining GCW points to achieve Lieutenant rank, thats a rather small subset of the current player base.

You logged into Starsider and found nobody in Eisley?  I'll go for the good old "screenshots or it didn't happen". :)

Well I still have a station account and Starsider was the loc for my main.  It has been quite empty if I log in during the weekdays during the day.  There is more activity in the evenings and weekends, but still has a very empty feeling.   I still log in and do space fighting on the weekends once in a while, don't do anything on any of the planets any more being that my main was a creature handler and is now a medic   Space is about the only activity that is still fun.

Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

Originally posted by Trubaduren

www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php  I took these screenshots in january, and starstrider was the most populated server at that time, still it wasn't much. And all other planets than tatooine was DEAD. I'm feraing since the server merge all but 4 servers are empty, beacuse everyone moved to those i guess, or whatever happend.

 

That was six months ago, and before the Free CTS.  Starsider had a population explosion since.  Take another look.

Players report that the server is as busy, if not busier than Pre-CU.

Who?  What players?  Names?  I'm going to have to go with the old..  "screenshots or it didn't happen" : )

Going with the only hard numbers we can get from SWG it shows a increase of toons of 38.5% in the GCW site.

On 5/30 there were 8,209 different ranked toons

On 7/10 there are 11,374 ranked toons

Increase of 3165 toons ranked.

http://swg.activeframe.de

Originally posted by Gutboy

Going with the only hard numbers we can get from SWG it shows a increase of toons of 38.5% in the GCW site.

On 5/30 there were 8,209 different ranked toons

On 7/10 there are 11,374 ranked toons

Increase of 3165 toons ranked.

http://swg.activeframe.de

The increase in GCW ranks characters has been attributed (many, many times) to the fact that you can get GCW points at a ludicrously fast rate now. As I said previously, it's like arguing that there's 254% more people in the real world now because there's 254% more automobil drivers in the world compared to 1910. It's a nice, convenient assumption, unfortunately it just doesn't stack up.

Originally posted by efefia

Originally posted by Gutboy

Going with the only hard numbers we can get from SWG it shows a increase of toons of 38.5% in the GCW site.

On 5/30 there were 8,209 different ranked toons

On 7/10 there are 11,374 ranked toons

Increase of 3165 toons ranked.

http://swg.activeframe.de

 

The increase in GCW ranks characters has been attributed (many, many times) to the fact that you can get GCW points at a ludicrously fast rate now. As I said previously, it's like arguing that there's 254% more people in the real world now because there's 254% more automobil drivers in the world compared to 1910. It's a nice, convenient assumption, unfortunately it just doesn't stack up.

Also, the fact that EVERY acct now gets 2 toons (and 3 in some cases) should not be forgotten, when comparing population levels to the old days, when everyone but Jedi got one.

And yes, not everyone has 2 combat toons, or 3 combat toons, but many do. What does that mean? That the number of actual people playing this game is even lower than the pre-cu/cu measurement levels, where 1 toon = 1 acct.

Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

Originally posted by Trubaduren

www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php  I took these screenshots in january, and starstrider was the most populated server at that time, still it wasn't much. And all other planets than tatooine was DEAD. I'm feraing since the server merge all but 4 servers are empty, beacuse everyone moved to those i guess, or whatever happend.

 

That was six months ago, and before the Free CTS.  Starsider had a population explosion since.  Take another look.

Players report that the server is as busy, if not busier than Pre-CU.

Thats because most of the other servers are dead, or did you forget to add that? Also, as of right now there's how many post about Starsider crashing/loading and lagging in the official forums, oops, forgot to mention that also didn't you. 1 really populated server doesn't say much.

Originally posted by convict

Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

Originally posted by Trubaduren

www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php  I took these screenshots in january, and starstrider was the most populated server at that time, still it wasn't much. And all other planets than tatooine was DEAD. I'm feraing since the server merge all but 4 servers are empty, beacuse everyone moved to those i guess, or whatever happend.

 

That was six months ago, and before the Free CTS.  Starsider had a population explosion since.  Take another look.

Players report that the server is as busy, if not busier than Pre-CU.

Thats because most of the other servers are dead, or did you forget to add that? Also, as of right now there's how many post about Starsider crashing/loading and lagging in the official forums, oops, forgot to mention that also didn't you. 1 really populated server doesn't say much.

Taking a look for myself on my vet trial, I can back up BS's statement that Starsider has had staggering population growth (and yes, it looks to be up to Pre-CU levels). BUT, and a big BUT, ALL the other servers are DEAD. 

One populated server. Not much of a business case to keep it running imo. The clock is ticking to TORs launch.

Really all the other servers are dead? Flurry sure is not dead as are about 6 other servers. But go ahead keep thinking the game is dead if it makes you feel better about yourself.

Originally posted by Gutboy

Really all the other servers are dead? Flurry sure is not dead as are about 6 other servers. But go ahead keep thinking the game is dead if it makes you feel better about yourself.

Dead is certainly a relative term I admit, but I think we all know what I'm comparing the populations to (Pre-CU for those that don't know). So yes, compared to Pre-CU, ALL servers but Starsider are DEAD.

I would also like to acknowledge at this time the crazy amount of lag that Starsider has now, which makes it almost unplayable in populated areas.

So yes, I'll continue to stand by my statements that compared to Pre-CU (of which it is the norm to compare SWG NGE to, which is why SWGNGE looks so crap as it does now), all servers are dead but Starsider. And it does make me feel better. :D

You can certainly go on playing the game with your imaginary fellow players (provided by SOE in the form of holo-players in the cantina) on any other server outside of Starsider, and feel good about yourself for doing so. My guess is you'll be playing on Starsider, cause playing an MMO with other people, is funner than not (IMO of course).

Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw

Originally posted by Gutboy

Really all the other servers are dead? Flurry sure is not dead as are about 6 other servers. But go ahead keep thinking the game is dead if it makes you feel better about yourself.

 

Dead is certainly a relative term I admit, but I think we all know what I'm comparing the populations to (Pre-CU for those that don't know). So yes, compared to Pre-CU, ALL servers but Starsider are DEAD.

I would also like to acknowledge at this time the crazy amount of lag that Starsider has now, which makes it almost unplayable in populated areas.

So yes, I'll continue to stand by my statements that compared to Pre-CU (of which it is the norm to compare SWG NGE to, which is why SWGNGE looks so crap as it does now), all servers are dead but Starsider. And it does make me feel better. :D

You can certainly go on playing the game with your imaginary fellow players (provided by SOE in the form of holo-players in the cantina) on any other server outside of Starsider, and feel good about yourself for doing so. My guess is you'll be playing on Starsider, cause playing an MMO with other people, is funner than not (IMO of course).

Truth. I took up that free game time for canceled accounts and quite honestly, the game could probably switch to "ghost town emulator" and it would be better at that than a star wars emulator. I probably would have been able to find probably pockets of civilization but after about an hour of probably the worst (imo) character movement ive tried in years, I tapped out and admited defeat and logged off.

Originally posted by bond284

Truth. I took up that free game time for canceled accounts and quite honestly, the game could probably switch to "ghost town emulator" and it would be better at that than a star wars emulator. I probably would have been able to find probably pockets of civilization but after about an hour of probably the worst (imo) character movement ive tried in years, I tapped out and admited defeat and logged off.

Which server was that?

Originally posted by bond284

Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw

Originally posted by Gutboy

Really all the other servers are dead? Flurry sure is not dead as are about 6 other servers. But go ahead keep thinking the game is dead if it makes you feel better about yourself.

 

Dead is certainly a relative term I admit, but I think we all know what I'm comparing the populations to (Pre-CU for those that don't know). So yes, compared to Pre-CU, ALL servers but Starsider are DEAD.

I would also like to acknowledge at this time the crazy amount of lag that Starsider has now, which makes it almost unplayable in populated areas.

So yes, I'll continue to stand by my statements that compared to Pre-CU (of which it is the norm to compare SWG NGE to, which is why SWGNGE looks so crap as it does now), all servers are dead but Starsider. And it does make me feel better. :D

You can certainly go on playing the game with your imaginary fellow players (provided by SOE in the form of holo-players in the cantina) on any other server outside of Starsider, and feel good about yourself for doing so. My guess is you'll be playing on Starsider, cause playing an MMO with other people, is funner than not (IMO of course).

 

Truth. I took up that free game time for canceled accounts and quite honestly, the game could probably switch to "ghost town emulator" and it would be better at that than a star wars emulator. I probably would have been able to find probably pockets of civilization but after about an hour of probably the worst (imo) character movement ive tried in years, I tapped out and admited defeat and logged off.

You need to look for the server closest to you, Im west coast so I play west coast servers mainly.    Games not dead, but they can cut more servers to make it more fun.    If they want a healthy pop merge them down to 3 west 3 east and 1 or 2 europe.

Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

Originally posted by bond284

Truth. I took up that free game time for canceled accounts and quite honestly, the game could probably switch to "ghost town emulator" and it would be better at that than a star wars emulator. I probably would have been able to find probably pockets of civilization but after about an hour of probably the worst (imo) character movement ive tried in years, I tapped out and admited defeat and logged off.

 

Which server was that?

I HAD a smuggler/pistoleer on chilastra who had a decent amount of worldly goods. The free time is no longer available to my account but if you're willing to put up a months pay for the account ill hop on my guy.  I'll admit, the (few) people that I DID find, were very pleasent people but they were trying too hard to convince me that the game is amazing because of all the quests and collectables you can get... wasn't a good sale imo but to each their own.

Originally posted by bond284

I'll admit, the (few) people that I DID find, were very pleasent people but they were trying too hard to convince me that the game is amazing because of all the quests and collectables you can get... wasn't a good sale imo but to each their own.

Was there something specific about the Star Wars experience that you were hoping to find on your trial?

Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

Originally posted by bond284

I'll admit, the (few) people that I DID find, were very pleasent people but they were trying too hard to convince me that the game is amazing because of all the quests and collectables you can get... wasn't a good sale imo but to each their own.

 

Was there something specific about the Star Wars experience that you were hoping to find on your trial?

   I came in with a very open mind. I quit on that faithful day in november 05'. I knew it was a diferent game than what I had remembered so I had to just be ready to learn some new things. Sure there were only a few things I expected but they weren't unrealistic. At least to me.

   The first thing I or anyone else notices is the way your character moves. Its a real put off for me. I dont understand why its so spastic and wacky when I can't imagine people needing to strafe back and forth to dodge rockets like its quake when they put in auto lock for targeting.  I expected to see a smother movement. When they put in a snappy movement feel to the game, i think in CU, the outrage was absolute, and they reverted it back. They put back in snappy movement again in nge but this time didnt budge with any demand. This saddened me really.

   I guess another thing that disappointed me was that there is really no direction for either pvp or pve. At least thats what I gathered from because I couldn't get any information on what exactly people do when they hit level cap, that holds significance. Let me explain, because this is a thing I have against most mmos;  most mmo games just have you kill a boat load of crap to reach level cap, then have you kill a boatload of more crap that hits you back harder for purple stuff. You can do it as much as you want and in the end, those same mobs are still there taunting you and talking trash through scripted emotes. Nothing changes. Everything is exactly the same as it was the day before, and the day before that. In the end, all that remains is the challenge of the raid/dungeon itself and some bragging rights... but the novelty of that runs dry after x amount of years. This of course explains the life of wow and other mmos that have the same features with or without the polish.

   (im getting to a point here, hold on with me) Now rewind back to 2003 when swg was first released. I was able to tolerate the absurdity of the game for a little while for the mere prospect of seeing a kind of end game (almost exclusively pvp on my end) that was dynamic and held some significance. It was new and there were regular patches trying to adjust some classes. I remember there being absolutely massive pvp battles between the imperials of Bestine and the rebels of Snchorhead, and how both sides would contiuosly beat each other until the other side is marching on their enemies city with impunity.  After a few months of random acts of pvp, the developers dabbled in the idea of allowing bases to count for planetary control and attributing the control of the planet to benefits to all classes for the associated faction etc. That was an amazing idea at the time to think that by winning specific key battles in the open world, you could contribute to real benefits to not only yourself or your guild, but to your whole faction who resided on that planet.I held on to the game for all the amazing ideas the devs kept putting on table. It kept my mouth watering. 

   There was even this one event on eclipse, where a mayor and the citizens of a rebel town, put up an event (with the assistance of a cm) where the imperials would invade and the rebels would defend. The target was the mayor and should the mayor die during this battle, the city would fall and its citizens would evacuate. When the dust settled, the mayor was dead and the city soon abandoned the following day. To this day i think there remains a fallen at at and the majority of the decorated structures are all slanted to show the appearance of an ancient and decrepid city.  THIS was the kind of stuff that kept me playing... a dynamic world where players held the ball in their court. That is, in essence, what a sandbox should allow right?

   Naturally... the game was neglected in the worst way and very few of any promised content came to fruition.The devs never got down to the nitty gritty.

   When I left swg, there was an incredible sense of the "you can do x but why would you want to?"    When i tried wsg again, I felt the same exact way and It is incredibly hard to motivate yourself into exploring the game for 15 odd hours just to confirm the pot at the end of the rainbow exists.

   I guess in summation, all I wanted out of swg was a world that wasn't so g.damn static like every mmo  on the market. I don't care about quests, or novelty items, or iconic anything... just the freedom to play out star wars, not to play some guy who is trying too hard to be star warsy. Is it unfair that I hold expectations to swg that you can't with any other mmo? No, its not fair, but neither was being lied to for years as a paying swg customer. C'est le vie? No?

Whether people here like it or not, Starsider is busy enough to cause a lot of lag. They definately didnt downgrade server hardware, so it might be an indication that it is overpopulated. People even started posts on the forums asking to restrict transfers to Starsider.

Also how many servers are populated doesnt matter at all for the playing player. Usually you stick to one server in a MMO and only that server will matter for you. Unless you dont play anymore and then some of those ppl start to find it important to compare server populations of completely different games even.

Originally posted by bond284

Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

Originally posted by bond284

I'll admit, the (few) people that I DID find, were very pleasent people but they were trying too hard to convince me that the game is amazing because of all the quests and collectables you can get... wasn't a good sale imo but to each their own.

 

Was there something specific about the Star Wars experience that you were hoping to find on your trial?

 

..interesting read..

If SWG was only PVE combat and PVP, I wouldnt even play it. Combat is mediocre at best compared to other MMO's (I agree with the awkward movement issues and there are some serious bugs too), but the fact that it is scifi gives it a bonus for me. PVP is as shallow as it comes in MMO's and Im also not really into it. This could change after they update the GCW system.

The reason I do play SWG however is because of diversity. Im mayor of a city, I craft, I create pets, I decorate ,I hunt for creature resources, enzymes for pet creating, I join heroics, we create mini events with storyteller stuff, I do spacecombat, I collect badges etc.

No other MMO that I played has this kind of diversity. The only one I can think of is UO, but that was popular when I wasnt into MMO's yet. Especially crafting and playercities/decorating has a depth that is unparallelled in any MMO at this moment. I also dont see it being introduced again in a new MMO. Player city system like in SWG will be lost forever I think when SWG is gone.

Ive seen houses in EQII, Vanguard, LOTRO and AO. Its all shallow compared to SWG's system.

Originally posted by Thunderous

Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

Originally posted by Trubaduren

www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php  I took these screenshots in january, and starstrider was the most populated server at that time, still it wasn't much. And all other planets than tatooine was DEAD. I'm feraing since the server merge all but 4 servers are empty, beacuse everyone moved to those i guess, or whatever happend.

 

That was six months ago, and before the Free CTS.  Starsider had a population explosion since.  Take another look.

Players report that the server is as busy, if not busier than Pre-CU.

 

Who?  What players?  Names?  I'm going to have to go with the old..  "screenshots or it didn't happen" : )

lol @ BadgerSmaker. Thunderous I can only applaud and say epic win rofl. To all others dont get me wrong i loved swg at one time (when unlocking an FS slot and being a jedi meant something) but lets be honest the game is dead. I will say though for those that still enjoy the game they should do another server merge and have what 2-4 servers at most? This way those that are still enjoying themselves will have people to play with and if i was enjoying myself and the population was healthy for my server then I would'nt care and would do what we are all meant to do with games have fun! peace.

Originally posted by arobi

Originally posted by Thunderous

Originally posted by BadgerSmaker

Originally posted by Trubaduren

www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php  I took these screenshots in january, and starstrider was the most populated server at that time, still it wasn't much. And all other planets than tatooine was DEAD. I'm feraing since the server merge all but 4 servers are empty, beacuse everyone moved to those i guess, or whatever happend.

 

That was six months ago, and before the Free CTS.  Starsider had a population explosion since.  Take another look.

Players report that the server is as busy, if not busier than Pre-CU.

 

Who?  What players?  Names?  I'm going to have to go with the old..  "screenshots or it didn't happen" : )

 

lol @ BadgerSmaker. Thunderous I can only applaud and say epic win rofl. To all others dont get me wrong i loved swg at one time (when unlocking an FS slot and being a jedi meant something) but lets be honest the game is dead. I will say though for those that still enjoy the game they should do another server merge and have what 2-4 servers at most? This way those that are still enjoying themselves will have people to play with and if i was enjoying myself and the population was healthy for my server then I would'nt care and would do what we are all meant to do with games have fun! peace.

What epic win? Why would anyone keep track of names of ppl who would make these comments? Check the forums for yourself already. Even if he came up with screenshots, then Thunderous would just say..oh you found someone that said what you want, how does that prove anything?

Meh. If you just bothered to take a few looks on Starsider forums then you will find even posts from ppl that want to restrict servertransfers to Starsider because of the lag it causes.They find Starsider too populated atm.