Much like AoC, a change of head could be not 'the end' but a 'reboot'

Now 'techically' Bioware own WAR and the Warhammer Fantasy IP - it's no shock that EA chose to do this 'merge' after LoTD - It's opening the door for a chance to 'reboot' the game. With this 'what if?' IF BW came along and listed what they wanted to change in the game to keep it running with the next 'live expanson'/Retail Expanson, would anyone anyactally considering returning/continuing?

Bioware is working on their own MMO, they're not going to be investing a lot of time in WAR most likely.

More likely this is to get WAR's experience with MMO coding to work on Bioware's up and coming MMO rather than to give WAR a boost and hope it picks up again.

That said, I have a high opinion of Bioware, so in that sense, *if* they end up getting involved with WAR on a decent scale that can only be a good thing I'd think.

Don't kid yourself, WAR didn't live up to EA's expectations. (they are still looking for a game with WOW like sub numbers) and its being put on the back burner and the best talent will be devoted to the new Bioware title in hopes that it will be the next big thing.

WAR had its chance, and while perhaps reasonably successful from an Indie Developer point of view, EA  is never going to be satisfied and won't waste any big money on it.

I would check it out if Bioware did start making improvements.  They would have to do a LOT of work though and I'm not sure if EA would risk the time and resources it would take to improve it.

It is a gamble, WAR had/has great potential but many players still have a bad taste.  I would guess that if they have plans for Warhammer we'll be hearing about it soon while the publicity is hot, if everything stays silent then it probably won't be good... but that's just my guess.

I started out as a W:AR fan even with it's flaws.  It inspiried me to read some of the novels and buy the table top books.  The more I read, the more I realized how an outstanding IP was totally screwed up.  I hope if the new management does start making improvements, they can capture some of the elements that made the table top game so much fun.

That all depends what BW had in mind for the game. But I feel that WAR is pretty much un-repairable. The game is fundamentally flawed.

Originally posted by Dynamo112

That all depends what BW had in mind for the game. But I feel that WAR is pretty much un-repairable. The game is fundamentally flawed.

*gasp* Bioware -> BW .... ow noes!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Kyleran

WAR had its chance, and while perhaps reasonably successful from an Indie Developer point of view, EA  is never going to be satisfied and won't waste any big money on it.

 

I agree, to an extent, but some other factors have to be considered
A) Bioware was given/accepted responsibility for being the direct boss of the Mythic camp
B) Bioware will now be (while not in the fans eyes, but in the corporate structure) directly responsible for the outcome of Mythic's handling and ultimately WAR's attrition.
 

I think it'll be less of a "reboot", but Bioware will certainly step in and stop Mythic's "everything is a huge joke" type of developing, and bring focus to the group.

WAR could be brought back to a point of being a 500K sub game. That likely be its peak, but even still that would be good for the game. But the large, sweeping, half assed changes that Mythic has been making w/ each patch over the past year has to be addressed. Hopefully, Bioware will bring that studio to a level it should be.
Not having a live MMO developed is one thing, but developing solid products is somnething Bioware does have exp w/.
 

I still don't get why people think this is a merger.

All that happened was they cut out management they didn't think needed to be there, and promoted two individuals to manage a sector.

Group Manager
Group Design Leader

Then each team under the group, Bioware and Mythic, report to these two.

The group Manager still controls Bioware because they are currently working on SWTOR. Until the project is complete they will not find a General Manager for Bioware. It could generate bad press and leave people doubting the development of SWTOR, potentially hurting sales.

It's also the reason why Mark Jacobs was let go... making him lead could potentially generate bad press for SWTOR and hurt sales.

Ray and Greg will continue to manage Bioware until SWTOR is out and stable, then they will find someone to be general manager of Bioware.

It's not that Bioware now manages Mythic... but that Ray and Greg are in the process of leaving Bioware.

It's business.

It will never happen, but if it ever did, then sure I would.

After all, I spent $50.00 on this game and only played it for two weeks. I'd love to get my money's worth out of it.

I think no matter what company take over the game but the improvement could be very limited. Because the game structures is same as building, you may change the outlooks, the wall, the color or even renovate the building, however, you can't move the pilar or column from here to there. And that was the most serious problem.

The other game I've played before was The Pirate of Burning Sea, the game really got my attention when its release because its sea battle and PVP as well. But I couldn't even play for one month.

I also noticed that both games have one common thing: there is one city or more are forever dark, no day and night. This forever darkness is not only a cheap work but real annoy. And both games will be in forever darkness created by themsleves as well. There is no light for them.

SW: TOR won't be out for at least another year is my guess.

During that time, why wouldn't EA want to boost sales and subsciptions to WAR?

How to do that?

Put the project under the supervision/guidance of someone with a good track record at a very respectable company with proven results to not only make great games but continue to manage them. Bioware.

This will only bring about good, positive changes for WAR and though it may not be night/day and it certainly won't happen overnight, the game is certainly NOT "fundamentally flawed" if anything on paper the fundamentals of this game are better then anything else on the market, it's just the execution and management since launch have been a little iffy, so step in Bioware to bring direction and focus to the continued development and support of WAR.

Originally posted by LiquidWolf

I still don't get why people think this is a merger.

Because that's what they want to believe.

Originally posted by heerobya

SW: TOR won't be out for at least another year is my guess.

During that time, why wouldn't EA want to boost sales and subsciptions to WAR?

How to do that?

Put the project under the supervision/guidance of someone with a good track record at a very respectable company with proven results to not only make great games but continue to manage them. Bioware.

This will only bring about good, positive changes for WAR and though it may not be night/day and it certainly won't happen overnight, the game is certainly NOT "fundamentally flawed" if anything on paper the fundamentals of this game are better then anything else on the market, it's just the execution and management since launch have been a little iffy, so step in Bioware to bring direction and focus to the continued development and support of WAR.

 

One year before release is a short short time for a MMO, you can bet they'll want to turn that development into gear as much as they can, especially recently when it's becoming clear, finally, that performance is incredibly important for a MMO or people will condemn them over it and drop the game in a heartbeat. 

At this point I don't care who they put in change of WAR, I won't be returning until they make the Order classes as nice looking and fun to play as they have with Destro. They still haven't done anything to balance AoE DPS or melee/ranged healers. I would love to go back to my Archmage but the Elves still look like ass(even worse than Dwarves) compared to any of the Destro races. Shamans share the same class mechanic as the AM yet they are much more fun, have much better survivability and actually look cool doing it.

As much as I hate WoW PVP I would rather give them my money until Aion launches before giving Mythic another dime.

Originally posted by sevitoth

It will never happen, but if it ever did, then sure I would.

 

After all, I spent $50.00 on this game and only played it for two weeks. I'd love to get my money's worth out of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, if you buy a shirt, wear it for two weeks, and decide you really don't like it, should you get your money back? No, its not the fault of the manufacturer that YOU choose not to "get your money's worth".

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Originally posted by heerobya
SW: TOR won't be out for at least another year is my guess.
During that time, why wouldn't EA want to boost sales and subsciptions to WAR?
How to do that?
Put the project under the supervision/guidance of someone with a good track record at a very respectable company with proven results to not only make great games but continue to manage them. Bioware.
This will only bring about good, positive changes for WAR and though it may not be night/day and it certainly won't happen overnight, the game is certainly NOT "fundamentally flawed" if anything on paper the fundamentals of this game are better then anything else on the market, it's just the execution and management since launch have been a little iffy, so step in Bioware to bring direction and focus to the continued development and support of WAR.
 

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They've got all the subs they can possibly get from this game without lowering the price. Anyone who's tried it and quit knows how borked it is, not just a little. Anyone who hasn't tried it yet isn't likely to once they check into it and start asking around.

Anyone who has played this game for any length of time knows that the endgame is busted, there are only two factions and that is a gamebreaker, especially now the way LOTD is set up.

Anyone remotely thinking of coming back would have to hear talk of a third faction, and that's just not going to happen ever in this game. So unless you see a price drop, no one's coming back here now. People gave it second and third resubs already and each time, only minimal improvement but the CORE problems stay the same.

Why would someone resub if the basic flaw of the game can never be fixed?

Originally posted by cfurlin

So, if you buy a shirt, wear it for two weeks, and decide you really don't like it, should you get your money back? No, its not the fault of the manufacturer that YOU choose not to "get your money's worth".

 

Actually, you can. Even cosmetics have 30 days money back guarantee, not to mention clothes. The software copyright is over-protected and goes wild in our life just because their copyright. Why software have all the copyright and exempt to give 30 days money back guarantee? I wish all software follow the other product as well.

Originally posted by Larry2298

Originally posted by cfurlin

So, if you buy a shirt, wear it for two weeks, and decide you really don't like it, should you get your money back? No, its not the fault of the manufacturer that YOU choose not to "get your money's worth".

 

 

Actually, you can. Even cosmetics have 30 days money back guarantee, not to mention clothes. The software copyright is over-protected and goes wild in our life just because their copyright. Why software have all the copyright and exempt to give 30 days money back guarantee? I wish all software follow the other product as well.

Even if i cant get back my money from the shirt, i will stop buying shirts produce from the same company and also ask all my friends not to buy.... See?

Back to the OP question. Though i really like how the Orcs looks in this game, the PQ, some of the areas, but it will really need a major overhaul for me to be back.

The core of the gameplay its flaw, the bugs, the instance between fractions, the boring world etc.... Unless they fix all these, if not i wont be back.

That said, i dont believe Bioware and EA will put so much resources into it. No doubt Bioware will try to do something for War, but i believe if that even fails to revive the game, than War  will be shut down, resources will than be channel into TOR for live games, patches, and maybe start on a new x-pac....

Eh no.

Bioware wouldn't do it. Going in and taking over a released game from another company is bad form and unprofessional. Doing something like this would only be a detriment because EA would be saying that they think all of Mythic are a bunch of inept morons. Whether or not that's true, you never do anything to say that, makes your stock holders lose faith.

Even if that did happen, I doubt if I'd try again. Too many new games on the horizon -single player and MMO- for me give it any more of my time, improved or otherwise. It was okay at first, but got tired of it pretty quick and I'm looking forward to other things now.

Originally posted by Lord_Ixigan

Eh no.

Bioware wouldn't do it. Going in and taking over a released game from another company is bad form and unprofessional. Doing something like this would only be a detriment because EA would be saying that they think all of Mythic are a bunch of inept morons. Whether or not that's true, you never do anything to say that, makes your stock holders lose faith.

Stock Holder already loose faith when the sub drop from 700k to now around200k plus.. Their faith drop again when MJ is sack...

And its official now that Mythic is under a Bioware head.

Of course Bioware would not take over from Mythic, but just render assitance/ helping out the Devs in Mythic to solve and improve the game..

Which i think its ok... But as i said, unless this game really goes thru a major overhaul, i believe most players wont be back...

Originally posted by arctarus

Originally posted by Lord_Ixigan

Eh no.

Bioware wouldn't do it. Going in and taking over a released game from another company is bad form and unprofessional. Doing something like this would only be a detriment because EA would be saying that they think all of Mythic are a bunch of inept morons. Whether or not that's true, you never do anything to say that, makes your stock holders lose faith.

 

Stock Holder already loose faith when the sub drop from 700k to now around200k plus.. Their faith drop again when MJ is sack...

And its official now that Mythic is under a Bioware head.

I don't think the one reply was all that well thought out.  WAR even at 300,000 subs was supposedly under the number EA wanted... (personally would say 250,000-300,000 is a nice amount).

So if the numbers were dropping since they last made a statement...  I'm not sure how trying to fix the game would make shareholders lose faith.  I mean I don't even see the logic of typing that out.  If the game was where EA wanted it or increasing in numbers... then no it wouldn't make sense.

WAR isn't that old as a live game and it takes years to reach profit point.  So that is clear... You can operate at a "profit" each month you run an MMO.  However, it in general takes 2 to 3 years to recover development costs etc  Each month you are also paying for the cost to actually run the game and some portion of your "profit" is paying back your development cost.

I personally don't know the situation... one article will claim their subs are increasing.  The next will say the numbers are under EA's expectations and dropping... /shrug

The issue isn't "what if" and "who took over".  The issue is the game is flawed at its core... so quite honestly it would have to be rebuilt.  Tho many assets could carry over (This is justmy opinion of how bad the core mechanics are..)

As to the title of this thread... No.  I will never subscribe to WAR again... and the only possible way would be a total rewrite and there is no way EA would do another 1-2 years just to "fix" the game.  It would be more cost effective to shut it down.

If they made a DAoC Origins server.. a true Origins server.   Which would mean dumping all the "new" crap they were going to infect Origins with (they had an FAQ).  Well I would go back and play that and would be more than happy to keep it active even as I play other games.

*end note*  The reason I say its more cost effective is... EA is not in great financial shape.  They also paid over $860 Million for BioWare.  If they dig to big of a hole before The Old Republic releases... (you should get the idea and the only reason anyone would pay close to a Billion for BioWare is because they thought TOR would be the next WoW... no offense to BioWare I enjoy their games usually).

If TOR bombs then.. get your armored umbrella out...

I'd love to see Bioware do a Dark Heresy (warhammer 40k rpg) mmo, but I agree that at least for me, WAR would need to be revamped from the ground up.  And yes you can count me among those who think that Bioware can do no wrong, as in my opinion, they have never made a game I didn't love.  I hope that day never comes!

No I wouldn't because anybody who thinks Bioware are going to dump the amount of time and resources needed to fix WAR are just fooling themselfs.

Yes.

I think it is more likely that this represents a stripping of Mythic's corpse, but if they "rebooted" it, I would go back to try again.