Originally posted by Corrupted

OP is a n00b. Have you played Linage 2 before? Have you even played the first lineage? Do you know how long those games have been out before WoW and all the other games you "claim" to have played. Aion clones Lineage 2 and some other ideas from other games that "work", "work" meaning what people want/like. That's how you attract customers and make money. Yes it has wings, and? the idea works and if it attacts people, great! I hate you and your kind comparing everything to WoW, you should be r*ped by 100 men.

I really hate the newer generation crowd, they should've stuck with console.

 

oh and WoW is a ultima-clone or runescape-clone :D

100% agree, other than the ass-r*pe.  Well, maybe that, too.

The best games build on what came before, add a few cool features, and polish it up.  Trying to be all original in the mmo universe usually is keyword for shit game.  Whenever I see someone talking about "ground-breaking", or "originality", I cringe in fear of what steaming pile is gonna come out of their ass. 

You want originality?  get a console or make your own damn game.  Just please stop being a shit saying a game sucks just because it doesn't reach out of the screen and blow you.

Hmmm...

Originally posted by NightbladeX1

That's right, because everyone who likes something is now a fanboi, and liking stuff sucks.  If you want to be cool and fit in with the new crowd, you have to hate things.

 

Here's a thought, if you disagree with him, don't attack him?

You know, I remember telling this to you before.

A bit quick on the trigger with the accusations there, don't ya think? 

Where is he attacking anyone? He's making a facetious comment about a behavior that seems to apply to many people these days, especially around here. People are so "attached" to and sensitive about their own points-of-view, likes and dislikes, that anyone posting even the slightest disagreement is labeled a "troll" or "hater" or "fanboy", etc. etc.

The difference between being a fanboy and liking the game is in the argument. He claims this game offers nothing original, and instead of providing evidence of the contrary, you [fanboys] call names and dismiss the post without a single logical thought.

Way to go. Thanks for furthering the sterotype that anime stuff is for whiny suburban teenaged brats who wish they were japanese.

Want to prove us wrong? Show us some evidence that this game is anything remotely new.

Originally posted by Lobotomist

All i can say is that I am gald you find Aion a good game you can enjoy.

For me its the first MMO in long time that cause me to yawn in utter boredom while watching some pride PVP footage on youtube. (and i even loved WAR pvp clips posted on youtube before the game came out)

So make your androgenic teenage girl lookalike boy avatar. Spread your wings and fly to yet again kill 20 generic cutesy creatures. Repeat it hundred times to level... do the same thing you did before but dressed in new pixels.

Enjoy

 

 

Well, first of all, thanks to those who made their nice comments. Always appreciated of course.

Now lobotomist, you bring up a very good point with your above statement and it needs to be addressed.

I'm sure (and yes "sure") that everyone who played the Aion beta collected x amount of crawler snouts and y amount of 2 day sparky wings. You are completely on when you approach that type of thing with at best a sceptical eye.

However, that is taking the game and and boiling it down to its lowest common denominator. To that end, if someone said "hey, I just can't stand kill quests and if I have to go running to deliver something one more time I'm going to claw my tongue out with my foot I would say "then you might want to stay away from Aion".

After all, these quests are there. We've done them. You are on point with that.

However, those who are looking forward to Aion are acknowledging these game design choices with a knowing roll of the eyes and a "ok, np, I'll bite" type of attitude with the hopes that it will lead to not only an interesting RvR experience but also unveil the greater story line, much like LOTRO's main story is the thrust of the game.

I'm pretty sure there is not a hardcore pvp'er (or any for that matter) who is approaching Aion with an "oh boy, I get to kill snails" attitude.

But they are looking at all of that as a means to an end. Would we rather have some other way to advance our character? Probably but from the start NC said they were making a traditional mmo with a unique (as much as any story can be unique) story and premise and with a certain style of pvp interaction.

So if one can get by all the drudgery (if they think it's drudgery, I find grinding relaxing with good music and a good beer or wine)  then maybe it will reward them with a fun and exciting game. I don't think for one minute anyone is jumping for joy over killing or collecting just for the sake of it. Just like in LOTRO, if you don't read the text then the collect x quests will just drive you nuts.

but it's sort of about keeping an eye on the prize and putting up with some things for some better things. I hate to say it but in some respects that's a bit like life anyways.

Listen, when I go to an action movie I pretty much know what's going to happen. the surprises are usually not so subtle. but If I can put my mind into the spirit of the thing ( and I do ) then I can have a good time and enjoy the experience for the light hearted entertainment it is.

Otherwise I just wouldn't go. Life is too short.

I dunno Lobo, you're losing your edge, this OP was uncharacteristically trollish of you.

As you said, you haven't played the game, and you know right up front that it wasn't designed to be an earthbreaking game.

That's not NC's trademark, they tend to copy the big dog in the marketplace and try to improve on it, sort of like they did years ago when they copied/improved on UO to make Lineage.  (though its debateable if it was an improvement I realize)

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Here is my two cents

In past few years my MMO addiction forced me to test,buy and play most every AA MMO released.

From SWG to WOW, from Vanguard to Potbs, From Lotro to Tabula Rasa, and from AOC to WAR...

Most of them I regret waisting my money on.

But each time a new MMO is release i fall into the hype ,  wishfull thinking and I cave in and buy.

I must say I am happy this is absolutely not case with Aion.

 

Watching clips about Aion , and reading about it - makes me want to mentally vomit.

 

4 years now we seen endless stream of WOW clones. And while all of them were pathetic in their own right.

At least they tried to do something original.

But what is Aion ? How does it stand out from the crowd?

WINGS!

Yes. You want to know about aion ?

Well you know its like WOW, but you get wings.

And the graphic is better.

 

I can not blame NCsoft for trying. They have money and will to make sucesfull MMO.

And they want to have a sure shot. And what can be more sure than generic clone 101 of a game that captured millions.

 

For the sake of you that are going to buy this game.

I just hope Aion is damn good. And polished as diamond.

Cause where is the logic of buying a copy that is worse than original ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Worse than the original? Are  you calling WoW the original? If so, as 'unoriginal' as this genre is, I have found both of my beta experiences to be fun, and fun is all that matters right now given how stale the genre really is.

I just honestly want to know how fans of this can agrue how its different than the 200 other korean MMOs.

- Artsy fartsy anima characters

- Cut-paste quests from every single mmo ever

- A open pvp sytem similar to war, daoc, plus 50 korean grinders with it

- Raids

Seriously, why pay for this? The same shit is in 100 other games. If I took an Aion gameplay video and showed it to 15 friends who play MMOs they would say, "Ha, nice korean grinder."

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Haha

Man. As the MMO genre becomes more and more pathetic. So do the fanbois.

What a tantrum you fall in if somebody simply expresses an oppinion. Amusing.

 

And to inteligent poster above that made comment about Vanguard. And stacking skills

 

It takes a special kind of genius. Not only to misread and misunderstand a post, but to remember what you didnt understand for two years.

Man you should be given a medal.

If only they would give medals for stupidity !

 

 

And hehe. For all of you upset about L4D2 boycott.

Well it figures that same people that think Aion is original, also think L4D2 is a great deal.

 

Hehe. I bet man could sell you stinky gym socks wraped around stick , and tell you its french cheese corn dog

Original !

 

Good bless your open wallets

When I read this post I get the feeling you havent even played half of the mmo´s I played. People never said Aion is original and neither is Vanguard, since its a bad copy of everquest 2. And we can argue about this all day. Atleast Aion dont even have 10 % of the bugs that was in Vanguard live and retail version. And if medals was given for stupidity you would sure get one. And one big hurray for Vanguard for being playable after 2 years. But an mmo needs a good player base to be seen as a good mmo also I think. Who want to be in a mmo with hardly any real people in it? For the moment I know Aion will have a strong player base and I like playing it, and that is what matters... How fun you have playing a game! Not how original it is, when it comes to mmo no game today is original so just drop it. And I can see youre a big fan of Vanguard, take a real good look at the characters in Vanguard and you will see how dead they look, no charisma or personality. But in Aion on the otherhand they look alive got plenty of charisma and look very much alive, which makes the world of Aion more fun to be in. And that was just one example. No matter how much you try to shine a turd it will still be shit. But I am not here to lecture fanbois of Vanguard trashing Aion for not being original, I will spend that time having fun in Aion. So good luck.

Originally posted by Netzoko

I just honestly want to know how fans of this can agrue how its different than the 200 other korean MMOs.

- Artsy fartsy anima characters

- Cut-paste quests from every single mmo ever

- A open pvp sytem similar to war, daoc, plus 50 korean grinders with it

- Raids

 

Seriously, why pay for this? The same shit is in 100 other games. If I took an Aion gameplay video and showed it to 15 friends who play MMOs they would say, "Ha, nice korean grinder."

Try the game longer than to level 5 and you might find out.

Originally posted by patrikd23

Originally posted by Netzoko

I just honestly want to know how fans of this can agrue how its different than the 200 other korean MMOs.

- Artsy fartsy anima characters

- Cut-paste quests from every single mmo ever

- A open pvp sytem similar to war, daoc, plus 50 korean grinders with it

- Raids

 

Seriously, why pay for this? The same shit is in 100 other games. If I took an Aion gameplay video and showed it to 15 friends who play MMOs they would say, "Ha, nice korean grinder."

 

Try the game longer than to level 5 and you might find out.

If this game had anything else it would be as simple as saying it. Thanks for proving my point.

I'd tend to agree to the OP.  At this point the MMO-industry is "polishing turds".   Many players out there are looking for something new and exciting.  I tried AION out... more polishing turds.   Oh don't get me wrong, it will be shiny but come on guys, it's still a turd.

Romp

The fact of the matter is, Lobo gave his opinion on the PvE portion of the game which anyone with atleast half a brain knows isn't the focus of the game. I know plenty of people that have played the Korean version and actually played endgame PvP that know what it was like have said it's a PvP game with a purpose, much like DAoC was. So ya, to each their own I guess. 

Originally posted by Netzoko

I just honestly want to know how fans of this can agrue how its different than the 200 other korean MMOs.

- Artsy fartsy anima characters

- Cut-paste quests from every single mmo ever

- A open pvp sytem similar to war, daoc, plus 50 korean grinders with it

- Raids

 

Seriously, why pay for this? The same shit is in 100 other games. If I took an Aion gameplay video and showed it to 15 friends who play MMOs they would say, "Ha, nice korean grinder."

Well, let's put it this way. If I give you a chocolate cake, you might try it and say "ugh, hate that". But I can also give you another cake which is also chocolate and you might really like it.

They both are still chocolate cakes. However, it's the ingrediants and the proportions and the baking that is different.

There is grind and there is grind. One can open up a korean grinder and expect to just hit a field and grind. Shaiya felt a bit like that. I've tried several Korean grinders. And compared to Lineage 2 (I suppose another korean grinder of a sort) they felt junky. The level of detail, not just artistic but in general was way off. There didn't feel like there was any depth to the game.

Take Archlord. A "better' korean grinder, not a bad game but not really lineage 2 quality.

Aion doesn't feel like any of them. There is great polish, a great attention to detail. It feels more liek WoW or LOTRO when I move through the world. I don't just feel like I"m being dumped into a world and then I should just grind until I out level the field and then move on. There very well could be that if one chose to but the quests and crafting can break up that part.

Aion to me, for all its flaws feels like that cake I mentioned. It has the familiar ingredients but in proportions that appeal to me. Now, I will be honest, I haven't played the pvp part so I can't comment on that. I do know that from what I hear its very fun. But that is yet to be determined. I suspect, given my liking for L2 sieges, that I will like it. But we will see.

ok Gf is coming over and Gf and video games don't really mix in fun and exciting ways so must go.

Originally posted by Netzoko

Originally posted by patrikd23

Originally posted by Netzoko

I just honestly want to know how fans of this can agrue how its different than the 200 other korean MMOs.

- Artsy fartsy anima characters

- Cut-paste quests from every single mmo ever

- A open pvp sytem similar to war, daoc, plus 50 korean grinders with it

- Raids

 

Seriously, why pay for this? The same shit is in 100 other games. If I took an Aion gameplay video and showed it to 15 friends who play MMOs they would say, "Ha, nice korean grinder."

 

Try the game longer than to level 5 and you might find out.

 

If this game had anything else it would be as simple as saying it. Thanks for proving my point.

Name an original MMO and I might.

Originally posted by patrikd23

Originally posted by Netzoko

Originally posted by patrikd23

Originally posted by Netzoko

I just honestly want to know how fans of this can agrue how its different than the 200 other korean MMOs.

- Artsy fartsy anima characters

- Cut-paste quests from every single mmo ever

- A open pvp sytem similar to war, daoc, plus 50 korean grinders with it

- Raids

 

Seriously, why pay for this? The same shit is in 100 other games. If I took an Aion gameplay video and showed it to 15 friends who play MMOs they would say, "Ha, nice korean grinder."

 

Try the game longer than to level 5 and you might find out.

 

If this game had anything else it would be as simple as saying it. Thanks for proving my point.

 

 

Name an original MMO and I might.

D&D ..lol

Seriously though i find it funny how everyone compares every game to WoW as if it was actually original to begin with , Like almost every other game made WoW has copied little things here and there but with that being said name a game made today that didn't copy or use the same idea as other games made before them there is almost no such thing as original in the mmo world ( with a few small exceptions ) Almost every Idea or feature in every game origniated from another thats how the world turns .. if you think you can build a game from scratch completely unlike any other game made then go for it otherwise stop complaining.

furthermore , out of 5000+ people that have played Aion Beta there is only 10-20 actually complaining , I think its safe to say there are more people that like it than there are that don't ,  It may be a polished turd but maybe its polished the way some people want it ..lol

Originally posted by Lobotomist

 

Watching clips about Aion , and reading about it - makes me want to mentally vomit.

 

You rant on about a game you tell us you haven't played and expect people to take you seriously?

Not that I think anyone will actually get to the point where they will read this, but ... for the record.

I had to be battered into playing World of Warcraft. When I was finally convinced by my fiance's pleading eyes, I got on for a short time, played my characters and leveled them by running instances with a DK a friend of mine had, and the most fun I ever had with the game was creating a narcissist blood elf with a guild of fangirls that never really took off anywhere but had some great jokes.

I thanked God, in whom I do not believe, for the fact that I had the recruit-a-friend 300% exp BS because I couldn't STAND grinding. Every time I got on the game I was like, ".. NEED A LEVEL, LEVEL, LEVEL, LEVEL!" But I didn't really want to do it because it was boring. I was able to grant 18 levels to my lower characters, boosting them immediately to the level 36 of my higher characters, and thank you goodness, because I liked making characters but I did NOT like playing them.

I whined endlessly about the fact that I could find 80 of my exact clones just walking from point A to point B. There wasn't even enough customization to be MILDLY original for a game that seemed like its whole purpose was to create a character and walk around in a structured world doing nothing but comparing yourself to other characters and realizing that that chick has the same face and eyes as you and so does that one and that one and that one and THAT one AND OH GOD WHY DID I EVEN BOTHER?!

.... I signed up for the beta of Aion at Sakura Con this year. I had never heard of it before April--and the developers Liv and Brian went on about how they liked the game and let me play with the controls at the front and my first impression was: LOOK AT THE SLIDER BARS! AND ALL THE MINUTE CUSTOMIZATION STUFF! I was pleased. After all, if this was the base, chances were you would never see anyone with your same exact character.. (Now I realize that yes, if it gets very popular, that customization will eventually overlap anyway) But unlike WoW, there isn't just one attractive face and one body type--not just one good haircut. I like not feeling like I have to be restricted to be aesthetically pleasing--I realize that it's "juvenile" or "newbie" to like aesthetics but I like drawing my characters, and therefore, they have to please me when I look at them.

I got on the beta the first time it opened, realized the customization was a bit more awesome in my head than in play, but it was still pretty decent. I could create characters I liked--characters I had already made--whatever I felt like doing. Okay, so I liked my characters hair to go to their ankles, but show me any customization that allows that yet and I'll be like *foot in mouth* -___- But, I did the same thing I did with WoW. I made 8 characters and KINDA played with one the first weekend. I assumed it'd be the same as WoW. I was not gonna like playing it alone and none of my friends had gotten their keys, so I didn't play it.

Second weekend, I tried to get my fiance to play it with me, but his computer can't run it. Ironic, since he wanted to play it 10,000X more than me, but my computer is built for my art and so it's way better. But I started running along.... and I realized I didn't mind playing. It had a bunch of little quests on the side and customizing your clothes at a low level was impossibly, but I was running through a linear storyline. Like Final Fantasy or Zelda or Lunar.. any RPG (though Zelda's more action adventure, you know what I mean) that I usually love to play.

Because of the way the first ten levels were built, it made my character part of the game... I'm not random sh*thead A who happened to be born on Day Y and got stuck in this stupid war.... I am someone in the game worth mentioning. "YEAH, SO IS EVERYONE ELSE", you say? I know, but so was everyone who played Cloud in FF7. Sure, everyone shares the same story initially, but hell if Aion doesn't take its happy effort in on making EVERYONE feel like they are important.

Realistically, this shouldn't matter.. but so far, it does. I have never played an MMORPG alone and enjoyed myself. I have with Aion. It might change after level 10, when the storyline becomes impossibly varied and there is no longer any point to which I am moving, but maybe they will have various linear storylines to move me from point A to point B?

... I'm a specific case--most people who play MMORPGs are nothing like me, but the point is... Aion is different than WoW. As someone who has had to analyze it to figure out why I might pay for this game, I know it is. The system is the same, but so are almost all the JRPG systems. You play a game for certain reasons, but what makes a game original is if it has different small factors, since originality (as has been said in this thread before in a huge post much like this one) has not actually existed for a very long, long time.

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Haha

Man. As the MMO genre becomes more and more pathetic., Sso do the fanbois fanboys.

What a tantrum you fall into if somebody simply expresses an oppinion opinion. Amusing.

And to inteligent the intelligent poster above that made the comment about Vanguard. Aand stacking skills:

It takes a special kind of genius. Not only to misread and misunderstand a post, but to remember what you didnt didn't understand for two years.

^ ...? Second language. I understand. I don't understand what you said, though.

Man, you should be given a medal.

If only they would give medals for stupidity !

^ What a great statement.

And hehe. For all of you upset about L4D2 boycott.:

Well, it figures that same people that think Aion is original, also think L4D2 is a great deal.

Hehe. I bet a man could sell you stinky gym socks wraped wrapped around stick , and tell you it's a french cheese corn dog

Original !

Good God bless your open wallets

(EDITED FOR MY OWN SAKE) Boy, you are obviously using your second language here. I wouldn't believe you were 35 with the attitude and all.

I didn't really dismiss your opinion until this post. You're saying other people are throwing tantrums, but you're falling into the same shtick, since you are "WAH"ing right back. O.o You've insulted everyone who LIKES Aion for no reason other than you don't like it?

I realize that if the world were perfect, not every person who likes Aion would take your statement as a direct insult, but since it was meant to be, I think I'll take it as such. You don't even think about what you're saying, do you?

I haven't thrown a tantrum nor have I insulted you. I expressed an equally valid (though less abrasive) opinion, but you're going to insult myself and everyone else who has left the same opinions. True, there are some who HAVE flamed you, but you aimed your opinion at them saying their logic was weak. O_o Pot calling kettle black, much?
 

Originally posted by madeux

Reading your post makes me want to mentally vomit.  Which, as it happens, us a celebration of unoriginality in itself.  You haven't even played the game, and you haven't really read up on it that much either.  Your ignorance on the subject is painfully obvious.

 

Madeux you're wonderful I love you!

Lobotomist I've seen a lot of negative posts by you with every new release in the past two years, yes you hate everything that's come out, my thought on this is if you can't find anything at all that's worth your time in this genre anymore either play whatever it is that made you happy before, if that's possible or just get out of the MMO scene and find something to smile the frack about.

Quit wasting your time and our time with retarded threads that bring nothing to no one.

Oh and I agree with Kyleran you've turned on a bad leaf here at least your previous negative threads on other games had a glimmer of thought and intelligence, you didn't even try.... Why bother even being in this forum?

I am boggled.

Originally posted by Cynthe

Originally posted by madeux

Reading your post makes me want to mentally vomit.  Which, as it happens, us a celebration of unoriginality in itself.  You haven't even played the game, and you haven't really read up on it that much either.  Your ignorance on the subject is painfully obvious.

 

 

Madeux you're wonderful I love you!

Lobotomist I've seen a lot of negative posts by you with every new release in the past two years, yes you hate everything that's come out, my thought on this is if you can't find anything at all that's worth your time in this genre anymore either play whatever it is that made you happy before, if that's possible or just get out of the MMO scene and find something to smile the frack about.

Quit wasting your time and our time with retarded threads that bring nothing to no one.

I have to agree with you here... I am pretty great, huh? :)

You know, you're absolutely correct, its the same ol same ol.

Yeah I remember how in WoW you can capture keeps for your guild and you get rewarded for it.  Oh and that instance you can go into where you fight the other faction to win the right to fight the last boss in said instance.

Yep I remember how WoW lets you customize your character's eye color and add tatoos and lets you change every aspect of you're characters physical appearance.

I remember how WoW has in game cut scenes and missions that actually require you to party to complete them.  

/sigh

Every book has a cover, sometimes it pays to open it and read it before you make a judgement.

Aion has a lot of unique features, if only people would bother to find them.