Originally posted by Khrynon

Everquest ..imo is still the best out there.i've been palying Wow since its release.it got me away from EQ but now i am tempted to go back to EQ ..EQ is far more of a challenge than WoW..either raiding or Soloing,you had to pay attention to what and where you were in EQ..Wow has Spoonfed half the world ..And when Wow does get challenging people complain and the game or chars get nerfed or they make the raid easy mode..peace!

EQ is not the same game it was.  Plus you're probably just feeling nostalgia.  I loved EQ, but probably because it was my first mmo and the whole idea of living in a virtual world was still exciting.  However, i would never play it if it was released now.  Camping, medding, and many other features are just annoyying now and the novelty of a virtual online world has worn off.

You are correct..it was my 1st MMo ,but from what i have read i guess downtime has been changed..medding ,healing..etc. If i could getmy Lvl 70 Shammy back ..i think i may go and give it another try ..

Originally posted by BwanaKuu

Originally posted by Khrynon

Everquest ..imo is still the best out there.i've been palying Wow since its release.it got me away from EQ but now i am tempted to go back to EQ ..EQ is far more of a challenge than WoW..either raiding or Soloing,you had to pay attention to what and where you were in EQ..Wow has Spoonfed half the world ..And when Wow does get challenging people complain and the game or chars get nerfed or they make the raid easy mode..peace!

 

EQ is not the same game it was.  Plus you're probably just feeling nostalgia.  I loved EQ, but probably because it was my first mmo and the whole idea of living in a virtual world was still exciting.  However, i would never play it if it was released now.  Camping, medding, and many other features are just annoyying now and the novelty of a virtual online world has worn off.

Camping was boring yes. Medding was great, you needed someone to take care of you while you meditate, one of the many features that made EQ a team work.

If there was a game now with the fantastic features EQ classic had, we could discuss about novelty. So far, objectively, no MMO has come close to what EQ achieved.

 It's not what it was. The theme park experience is nice to look at, but it's pretty repetitive, especially with raids. I only play now and again for a scrap in Wintergrasp, but otherwise lurk in asteroid fields in EVE.

Guild housing and more social events might improve it, but you might as well play second life for that stuff.

Originally posted by VoIgore

If you are new to it or havent yet played it in and out, it is the best mmorpg. I also think that the recent and upcomingchanges are making it even better for new people. For the players who are (or have been) into it for a couple of years, it is but the same-o-same for ages.

I have had several 60s, then 70s and now 80s and seen it all. From casual gaming to hardcore raiding back to casual back to raiding, solo play, all the guild drama and such. There is just NOTHING left that excites me about the game anymore. Aside very few things, all the stuff Blizzard added through the years were just the same concepts and game mechanics i already played at lvl 60. Kill, loot, get purple, reroll, repeat.

Sometimes reading the forums or watching clips on youtube brings back some of the old feeling. But i know for shure that in case i resub out of this nostalgia, after 5mins the old boredom kicks back in and there is just nothing left to do for this old timer.

WoW is by far the best mmorpg for people new to it and on the other hand by far the most boring for those who already play it for a while.

Damn...I SWEAR I could not have explained how I feel better than you just did.  That's why I had to just stop looking at vids on YouTube, or looking at update info on Wowhead.  Because it draws me back, but one time, not too long ago, I resubbed, thinking, what the heck, I'll play, and then when I get bored, I'll log off and go do something else.  I logged in, and literally, within 10 minutes, I had logged back out and haven't returned since.

Wow is by far the best gateway game.  It is a wonderful introduction to the world of MoGs.  But it, to me, is just like your favorite toy or cartoon when you were growing up...It was good for that period of your life, but at some point, you grow beyond that stage and realize that there is much more out there.

 Lowest common denominator game.

WoW is the Bud Light of MMO's.  Bud Light is (or actually just recently surpassed) the most popular beer on the planet but to any beef affectionado will tell you it's crap.  It's watered down adjuncts.

I agree that if you have never played an MMO, WoW is a great place to start.  However most other new MMO's have WoW ified their experience so anyone can get up and playing right away and have their hand held through a long newbie experience.  The problem is for many of us that started pre-WoW we wanted MORE depth not less.

And thanks to the popularity of WoW, every MMO since has tried to catered to the masses more and more by making things easier, less penalties for doing stupid things, much more solo centric.  Remember that the best seller for PC games has been the Sim's series for years.  This is your baseline of people whom you are trying to attract.  Also the most played online game several years ago was bridge.  So don't throw the 'because more people play WoW makes it the best' argument around.

The vast majority of people play offline games on easy mode.  Yet again WoW caters to that crowd.  It's like saying checkers is the best game ever made.  

Those of us that started with UO, EQ, AO or DaOC saw the polish of WoW but many of us wanted more.  Speaking from an EQ backround yes the death penalties were harsh and corpse runs were a pain but there was a sense of accomplishment in that game.  You had to group in those games to get things done which fostered a very tight community and good as well as bad players were known.  WoW is mostly people soloing to high levels with the occasional Chuck Norris joke in OOC.

I've ranted longer than I meant.  I'm recently back to the original EQ after playing damn near every MMO out there and I still think the best are EQ, AO, Eve and WW2 Online.  All of these take some amount of brains and that's a big part of what keeps me coming back to those 4 in particular.

Originally posted by SSSJKiNg

 

 

I quit WoW a long time ago... since then I have tried numerous other games...none of them have even come close in the overall experience that WoW gives you. Despite how much WoW is globally hated, does anyone else think it is still the best MMO out there by far? I was totally disgusted by the game when I left, but it is by far more addicting and better made than most other games I have played.

 

 

PS: I quit a month or so pre WOTLK

lolz dident WOTLK come out last year?? hehe I quit before the Burning crusade that my friend was a long time ago

Now WoW is a well made game, they have nailed many things, one being superb design. Each zone in that game is carfully crafted to give you a fresh feel when you enter them. Good balance and Nice PvE content.

Its not the best game though if you like Sanbox games where you can have an impact on the world, then EvE is by far the best that is still going strong.

Originally posted by SSSJKiNg

 

 

I quit WoW a long time ago... since then I have tried numerous other games...none of them have even come close in the overall experience that WoW gives you. Despite how much WoW is globally hated, does anyone else think it is still the best MMO out there by far? I was totally disgusted by the game when I left, but it is by far more addicting and better made than most other games I have played.

 

 

PS: I quit a month or so pre WOTLK

I had the same feeling you had, but I finally realized that it was my guild in WoW I missed, may or may not be the same for you.  WoW since BC and WoTLK isn't the same fun and addicting game it was before all that.  The game morphed into something else, Time sinks that are not fun, and more.  You may enjoy yourself for the first few months you come back and try WoTLK but eventually you will get to the point where you are bored again and disappointed with game play.

I didn't read what everyone else said.  Basically WoW is much more polished than other games...it has had years to get there and tons of money to help.  I am by no means saying that it is a bad game, there is a reason why many people enjoy it.  I am saying that if you were bored and not liking the game play before WoTLK I doubt you will find it is much different.

I've tried wow twice, once on release and once in the past few months. I wasn't impressed either time.

Questing feels the same as any other mmo and the PvP is more reliant on gear than any mmo I"ve played.

Large pvp battles are nothing more than a spam/zerg fest with no tactics whatsoever.

I can understand how people can like the graphics. There are many places and that I did find enjoyable and visually stunning.

As much as I read posts about how good WoW is, If I were to break it down in terms of gameplay there isn't one aspect of the game that stands out above all the other games for being fun.

Graphically I prefer CoH and WaR for player avatars. For landscape and lore I enjoyed LoTR better. Although DaoC's lore was suprinsingly accurate pre-SI /ToA.

PvP /RvR - DaoC without a doubt.

Economy - EvE ,

Crafting I' can't say as I"ve never spent much time on it in games. Although I hear SWG was nice in the beginning and still hear about UO.

WoW- has done a masterful job of marketing and dangling carrots in front of people. Most of the people who I met, played seemed to be running a daily quest or chasing gold for another mount because they didn't want to be one of the people without a new shiny bauble.

The best part about WoW was crafting. Stack it up and go read a book - no need to sit at the PC all bored.

/sarcasm off

WoW is not a bad game. WoW is not a really good game, either. It's okay. The crafting? It's okay. The raids? It's okay. The core gameplay, the art style, the lore, the community, PVE, PVP - it's all okay. Yeah, it's polished to near-perfection (yet, the last time I played they still had invincible-monsters-on-boulders), but... It's like eating a really shiny eggs'n'bacon - it's okay. It's not a lobster, but it's okay.

The overall averageness of the game is what draws people in. It's nothing special, thus becoming understandable, unlike other, more "alien" games. And that's exactly what drove me out. 

People want a game to play. They got it. I want a world to escape once-in-a-while, but I don't have it. I try to live with it.

None of them have even come close in the overall experience that WoW gives YOU. Just because you like WoW, does not mean that everyone else does, or even that it is a good, involved game. What WoW does have going for it is, number 1, great commercialization. Number 2, ease of access. You dont need a great pc or even a good one to play it. And number 3, simplicity of gameplay. It is so easy to get into the game and get to rockin that everyone can do it. If WoW had the learning curve of EVE then it would have the same number of subscribers, because no one wants to think anymore, except when it comes to using a credit card or paypal to pay for a simple, easy to run, well commercialized game.  I have played WoW, but it just isnt for me, but then again, I never have run with the masses.

Originally posted by Death1942

no, i don't think it is the best MMO out there.  It is highly polished and runs well (like starcraft) but it's not the best game around (like starcraft isn't the best RTS around).  I think there are games out there that trump WoW in every department but polish (which to be honest, can make an average game experiance become a good one).

This hits the nail on the head.

WoW isn't the best game out there, just the most popular pay to play. That's an important distinction because Maple Story reports something like 22 million accounts, but it's not the best game out there either.

Most popular doesn't mean best and people need to realize this. It's like saying Starbucks makes the best coffee out there because it happens to sell the most cups, which I don't know if that's true, just saying.

WoW is accessible, meaning it'll run on just about any system. It's extremely well polished all around and has a very organic feel to combat, for how old the game is. It has a wide range of playstyles available to it, but it doesn't focus on any of them. So you'll find PvP, but it won't be as good as a game that's focused on it. Same goes for general PvE content, which is evident by the general concensus that LOTRO, for example, has way better PvE content.

WoW just happens to have a lot of really polished features, that's it. Doesn't make it the best though, just the most popular.

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Originally posted by SSSJKiNg
 

 
I quit WoW a long time ago... since then I have tried numerous other games...none of them have even come close in the overall experience that WoW gives you. Despite how much WoW is globally hated, does anyone else think it is still the best MMO out there by far? I was totally disgusted by the game when I left, but it is by far more addicting and better made than most other games I have played.
 
 
PS: I quit a month or so pre WOTLK

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All I can tell you is my experience. I got involved in MMOs by buying WoW (for the PC) and FFXI (for the PS2). At that time, my PS2 wasn't hooked up to my cable router and I needed a looong Cat 5 to do it, as it was (and is) at the other end of my apartment from the router. So I played WoW, and started to get into it. Then I finally got the cable I needed to hook up my PS2. And suddenly I didn't have time for WoW any more. (And I bought FFXI for the PC later.)

Originally posted by Lord_Ixigan

Originally posted by Death1942

no, i don't think it is the best MMO out there.  It is highly polished and runs well (like starcraft) but it's not the best game around (like starcraft isn't the best RTS around).  I think there are games out there that trump WoW in every department but polish (which to be honest, can make an average game experiance become a good one).

 

This hits the nail on the head.

WoW isn't the best game out there, just the most popular pay to play. That's an important distinction because Maple Story reports something like 22 million accounts, but it's not the best game out there either.

Most popular doesn't mean best and people need to realize this. It's like saying Starbucks makes the best coffee out there because it happens to sell the most cups, which I don't know if that's true, just saying.

WoW is accessible, meaning it'll run on just about any system. It's extremely well polished all around and has a very organic feel to combat, for how old the game is. It has a wide range of playstyles available to it, but it doesn't focus on any of them. So you'll find PvP, but it won't be as good as a game that's focused on it. Same goes for general PvE content, which is evident by the general concensus that LOTRO, for example, has way better PvE content.

WoW just happens to have a lot of really polished features, that's it. Doesn't make it the best though, just the most popular.

doesn't mean it's the best..... but it largely points in that direction. Something being ht best is totally subjective, btw.

It does mean however, that it attracts the most people, and fits what a lot of people want in an MMO. It may not be he best, but it sure as hell is ONE of the best, and does a great job of attracting customers, and keeping a lot of old ones at that.

I look for three things in a MMORPG

1.  Grouping with other people from level 1, even if I don't know anyone in the game yet.
2.  In depth skill system where I can spend days planning different builds.
3.  Fast action. When I want combat I can find combat within 60 seconds real time. And not just any combat but combat that is best for my leveling.

WoW provided none of those things – at all. It failed at them all big time. The MMORPG I did play for 5 years did all of those things better than any other MMO out there.

Getting back to the question, no I don't like WoW. And there are different games for different people.

No matter how good WoW is at somethings, as an RPG, WoW is has a terrible skill system. In that it's very limiting and does not provide very good diversity from player to player in the same class. Which is one of the reasons I play RPGs. So WoW was fail for me right out of the box.

Very interesting question. When I came to think about it, I can't say it's the best out there, but it's the one I want to go back to.

I've played CoX, Everquest 2 and SWG for longer than 6 months, and it was awesome - until the magic faded. I've played many others long enough to know they weren't my game (FFXI, MxO, AO).

But none of those were really perfect, nor is WoW. I started playing it on a PVE server, and it was fun, but not challenging, specially with all the add-ons. It was all so mindless... Then one day I decided to try the PVP server - and it all changed. The danger, the strategy, the friendships, the thrill! From all games I've played, WoW has the best combination of features that go so well with PVP.

So, under the circumstances of a PVP server, WoW is perfect for me. Outside a PvP server, I'd be looking for someother game to give my monthly 15$.

 I think WoW is a good game. I can tell that it is well-made and polished. It's just not a game that I enjoy, but that doesn't mean that it isn't a good game. It's just a good game that I don't like. 

On the other hand, EverQuest is crazy fun and addictive to me, even as old, creaky, and mutated as it has become. (And I've played recently, so that's not nostalgia talking.)  I also enjoy playing Atlantica, even though I can't quite put my finger on the reason why. Different strokes for different folks.

It's the best overall mmorpg out there but I still wont play it like all the other mmorpgs cause I'm bored of the EQ format.

WoW is a very good well polished game. The pve and pvp in WoW are both easily accessable to casual players. Yet, there remains a way for the hardcore to maintain a certain status (mounts / titles) above the casual player. WoW allows players to pve when they want to and pvp when they want to.

Most here have stated that WoW is polished, etc and hence it's popularity. I vowed I would never play it again after trying it back in the early days. I was still playing SW:G then and I didn't like the graphics style and other aspects of the game at the time. Then SW:G fell apart, I tried other MMO's, most of those either turned out to be flops or scams (Dark and Light anyone?) or like Eve, I didn't know anyone and just couldn't get into it. I had a friend ask me to try WOW again and play on his server. Having a friend already playing makes a world of difference in any MMO. I got into and am still playing, although I am currently taking a weeks break due to too many a$$hats, to put it mildly. Right now, it's the best I've found out there. I still wish there was more too it, a better crafting system, player housing/cities, etc but I get by and enjoy what I get out of the game and in the end, that's all that maters.