What are people thought's on player run economy?

Let's take a look at EVE Online which has one of the most advanced economies.

And like a real economy, over the years I have seen prices rise higher and higher for ships. I am now paying bout 55% more for tech 2 ships that I did previously. And recall- if you get this ship blown up you gotta go buy another. Ouch!

Where are people getting all this ingame money to buy this stuff????

IT's gotta be due to all these macros and cheats. I know in EVE, there is now a macro so advanced, it will farm everything for you and even hide your ship if another player might possibly attack.

I'm starting to think player run economy = GET SCREWED BY OTHER PLAYERS 24/7!

I guess for you WoW players the equivalent would be Auction House for rares. I dont know bout now but I remember pre-Battlegrounds we saw insane prices for tradeable rare Epics.

Really sucks that players can accumulate all this ingame money from hacks, cheats, farmers, etc. Ruins the game for other players indirectly and we dont even realize how bad we're all getting screwed over by cheaters

"Really sucks that players can accumulate all this ingame money from hacks, cheats, farmers, etc"

That's an assumption on your part, and it makes your entire thread poorly thought-out, not to mention just flat out wrong.

Originally posted by PatchDay

What are people thought's on player run economy?

Let's take a look at EVE Online which has one of the most advanced economies.

 

And like a real economy, over the years I have seen prices rise higher and higher for ships. I am now paying bout 55% more for tech 2 ships that I did previously. And recall- if you get this ship blown up you gotta go buy another. Ouch!

 

Where are people getting all this ingame money to buy this stuff????

 

IT's gotta be due to all these macros and cheats. I know in EVE, there is now a macro so advanced, it will farm everything for you and even hide your ship if another player might possibly attack.

 

I'm starting to think player run economy = GET SCREWED BY OTHER PLAYERS 24/7!

 

I guess for you WoW players the equivalent would be Auction House for rares. I dont know bout now but I remember pre-Battlegrounds we saw insane prices for tradeable rare Epics.

Really sucks that players can accumulate all this ingame money from hacks, cheats, farmers, etc. Ruins the game for other players indirectly and we dont even realize how bad we're all getting screwed over by cheaters

Straight up quit QQ'ing. If you get ripped off then that means your just not playing right... its not all from hacks and cheats, its either a huge amount of time invested or they just time manage better then you do. Maybe look at your game plan again before goin out and grinding uselss mobs for couple hours..all about strategy

Becoming more and more an issue. But it's not just cheats I think, farmers and the way you level are the real reason I think.

The more levels you gain, the slower it gets but the more power you have and the more money you make. Newbees can't pay for those items anymore, they buy gold, stimulate the gold sellers and more and more money comes into the system.

Result: Inflation

Solution of gamemakers:... Platsinks....to deflate the economy

Doesn't work, they can't control inflation anymore and everyone keeps buying gold and prices inflate to ridiculous heights. Deflate the economy too much and it dies. It's artificial and is destined to be screwed up.

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Only real solution is stopping the insane inflation by making top players earn about the same as the low end players, which means putting them onto a level playing field, something MMO developers don't want, they want to keep you running in your little rat wheel of progression.

Originally posted by Waterlily

Becoming more and more an issue. But it's not just cheats I think, farmers and the way you level are the real reason I think.

The more levels you gain, the slower it gets but the more power you have and the more money you make. Newbees can't pay for those items anymore, they buy gold, stimulate the gold sellers and more and more money comes into the system.

Solution of gamemakers:... Platsinks....to deflate the economy

Doesn't work, they can't control inflation anymore and everyone keeps buying gold and prices inflate to ridiculous heights. Deflate the economy too much and it dies. It's artificial and is destined to be screwed up.

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Only real solution is stopping the insane inflation by making top players earn about the same as the low end players, which means putting them onto a level playing field, something MMO developers don't want, they want to keep you running in your little rat wheel of progression.

or...start new server for those who want to play on an even field...why punish those who earned their wealth? (assuming they didn't macro or cheat in any way)
 

Basically player run economy is like a real economy, supply and demand. If something is low on supply but high on demand you get a crazy price, but if someone is willing to pay that price then profit.

Originally posted by Hammertime1

"Really sucks that players can accumulate all this ingame money from hacks, cheats, farmers, etc"

 

That's an assumption on your part, and it makes your entire thread poorly thought-out, not to mention just flat out wrong.

Oh really? Macros have gotten more and more advanced for EVE. Do a goggle and watch the videos for this macro.... I wish I was wrong.

Originally posted by PatchDay

Originally posted by Hammertime1

"Really sucks that players can accumulate all this ingame money from hacks, cheats, farmers, etc"

 

That's an assumption on your part, and it makes your entire thread poorly thought-out, not to mention just flat out wrong.

 

Oh really? Macros have gotten more and more advanced for EVE. Do a goggle and watch the videos for this macro.... I wish I was wrong.

Your wish came true ;) ..listen, I dunno what happened to trigger you to do this QQ thread, but its obivous that you are using a desprete argument as a last resort to try to proove your point (such as blaming it on hackers and macroers since they MUST be cheating to be better then you.. and btw most of those videos are rigged so you go on their site and the keylog your ass)

Originally posted by dragon1613

Originally posted by PatchDay

What are people thought's on player run economy?

Let's take a look at EVE Online which has one of the most advanced economies.

 

And like a real economy, over the years I have seen prices rise higher and higher for ships. I am now paying bout 55% more for tech 2 ships that I did previously. And recall- if you get this ship blown up you gotta go buy another. Ouch!

 

Where are people getting all this ingame money to buy this stuff????

 

IT's gotta be due to all these macros and cheats. I know in EVE, there is now a macro so advanced, it will farm everything for you and even hide your ship if another player might possibly attack.

 

I'm starting to think player run economy = GET SCREWED BY OTHER PLAYERS 24/7!

 

I guess for you WoW players the equivalent would be Auction House for rares. I dont know bout now but I remember pre-Battlegrounds we saw insane prices for tradeable rare Epics.

Really sucks that players can accumulate all this ingame money from hacks, cheats, farmers, etc. Ruins the game for other players indirectly and we dont even realize how bad we're all getting screwed over by cheaters

 

Straight up quit QQ'ing. If you get ripped off then that means your just not playing right... its not all from hacks and cheats, its either a huge amount of time invested or they just time manage better then you do. Maybe look at your game plan again before goin out and grinding uselss mobs for couple hours..all about strategy

I cant compete with people running macros that farm ISK (ingame currency in EVE) 24/7. I just cant. There is no way. These macros have gotten so advanced they scan your video buffer and totally automate the game for you

They even pvp for you essentially or rather- automate evasion.

No human can compete with this. Not unless I become hella great at Trading overnight? 

Originally posted by dragon1613

Originally posted by PatchDay

Originally posted by Hammertime1

"Really sucks that players can accumulate all this ingame money from hacks, cheats, farmers, etc"

 

That's an assumption on your part, and it makes your entire thread poorly thought-out, not to mention just flat out wrong.

 

Oh really? Macros have gotten more and more advanced for EVE. Do a goggle and watch the videos for this macro.... I wish I was wrong.

 

Your wish came true ;) ..listen, I dunno what happened to trigger you to do this QQ thread, but its obivous that you are using a desprete argument as a last resort to try to proove your point (such as blaming it on hackers and macroers since they MUST be cheating to be better then you.. and btw most of those videos are rigged so you go on their site and the keylog your ass)

No this is real the EVE Online community is in uproar. Other day we were talking to a cheater that uses this macro. He is making billions of ISK. Insane isk 24/7

Originally posted by PatchDay

Originally posted by dragon1613

Originally posted by PatchDay

What are people thought's on player run economy?

Let's take a look at EVE Online which has one of the most advanced economies.

 

And like a real economy, over the years I have seen prices rise higher and higher for ships. I am now paying bout 55% more for tech 2 ships that I did previously. And recall- if you get this ship blown up you gotta go buy another. Ouch!

 

Where are people getting all this ingame money to buy this stuff????

 

IT's gotta be due to all these macros and cheats. I know in EVE, there is now a macro so advanced, it will farm everything for you and even hide your ship if another player might possibly attack.

 

I'm starting to think player run economy = GET SCREWED BY OTHER PLAYERS 24/7!

 

I guess for you WoW players the equivalent would be Auction House for rares. I dont know bout now but I remember pre-Battlegrounds we saw insane prices for tradeable rare Epics.

Really sucks that players can accumulate all this ingame money from hacks, cheats, farmers, etc. Ruins the game for other players indirectly and we dont even realize how bad we're all getting screwed over by cheaters

 

Straight up quit QQ'ing. If you get ripped off then that means your just not playing right... its not all from hacks and cheats, its either a huge amount of time invested or they just time manage better then you do. Maybe look at your game plan again before goin out and grinding uselss mobs for couple hours..all about strategy

 

I cant compete with people running macros that farm ISK (ingame currency in EVE) 24/7. I just cant. There is no way. These macros have gotten so advanced they scan your video buffer and totally automate the game for you

 

They even pvp for you essentially or rather- automate evasion.

No human can compete with this. Not unless I become hella great at Trading overnight? 

To assume that "No human can compete with this" is total ignorance. Heres a little history (maybe why I am fueled to answer to your post).. I used to play runescape ALOT when I was younger (back when you could trade anything for any price and the game wasnt ruined). Me and a few other guys where top in the whole game as to how to control the whole market. We decided inflations/drops/ popularity/etc.. of items. Its not impossible, your just not in the elite in EVE it would seem. There are no lifers out there (like me in the past) that are just GOOD and dedicated in what they do. Look in real life, there are billionairs, did they just macro and cheat all the way up? Most of them don't, you just gotta know what you do. Knowledge is power, do reasearch and you will be able to achieve as much as anyone els.
 

The rising T2-prices in EvE have nothing to do with the macros.

There was a bug, that got used to produce Ferrogel and other high-value POS-reactions without needing to fill the reactors actually with the base-materials.

This bug was used massively for about a whole year, before it got fixed by CCP.

This is the reason, why Tech 2 items went up in price this much during the last 6 month. The ressources needed to produce Tech 2 items just aren't available in masses anymore.

And tbh, I don't know what high prices you're talking about actually. Before invention got introduced, the prices were 3 times as high as they're now.
Vagabonds and other HACs were tagged at 300 Million back then and a 425mm Railgun II was 25 Million. Capacitor Recharger II was 20 Million, etc, etc....

Stop whining and learn to play the game. Making money is easy enough in EvE Online. Flying LvL 4 Missions in high-sec rewards you with 20 Million ISK per hour allready.

Inform yourself about the fact first in the EvE Online-forums and the regarding DEV-Blogs, before you start complaining on another forum about it.

Everything that is player run tends to become very unbalanced/unfair for the majority of casuals.

If they want to make games for this crowd they have to rethink player freedom.

Comunist design decisions is the only way to please casual players these days.

If you allow Capitalism they get slaughtered!

Regardless of hacks and cheats, it takes one smart guy or a group of smart people to destroy the economy for everyone else.

Why the heck are you blowing up your T2s anyway?

In any case, this is the time, I'd imagine, to slow down with the PvP crap and start mining or salvaging.

When prices are high, it's time to slow down and produce.  When prices are low, that's when you pew pew.

Originally posted by jrs77

The rising T2-prices in EvE have nothing to do with the macros.

There was a bug, that got used to produce Ferrogel and other high-value POS-reactions without needing to fill the reactors actually with the base-materials.

This bug was used massively for about a whole year, before it got fixed by CCP.

This is the reason, why Tech 2 items went up in price this much during the last 6 month. The ressources needed to produce Tech 2 items just aren't available in masses anymore.

 

And tbh, I don't know what high prices you're talking about actually. Before invention got introduced, the prices were 3 times as high as they're now.
Vagabonds and other HACs were tagged at 300 Million back then and a 425mm Railgun II was 25 Million. Capacitor Recharger II was 20 Million, etc, etc....

 

Stop whining and learn to play the game. Making money is easy enough in EvE Online. Flying LvL 4 Missions in high-sec rewards you with 20 Million ISK per hour allready.

 

Inform yourself about the fact first in the EvE Online-forums and the regarding DEV-Blogs, before you start complaining on another forum about it.

It sure is easy. To turn on the new macro which will totally automate everything for me. See, this why making point-and-click MMOs not such a great idea. They are way too easy to exploit with basic haxx

I'm flying around looking at people macroing all day long this is getting ridicilous. How can this not effect the economy????

Originally posted by Beatnik59

Why the heck are you blowing up your T2s anyway?

In any case, this is the time, I'd imagine, to slow down with the PvP crap and start mining or salvaging.

When prices are high, it's time to slow down and produce.  When prices are low, that's when you pew pew.

Once a week I might lose a ship. I'm not immortal. I pvp all week long I gotta die sooner or later. I dont believe in ss+logging out like I see so many of these pvpers doing

unfortunately macros and cheaters and gold farmers exist in just about every mmo these days. but it is our fault as the consumer in some cases because I am sure most people wont admit it but they have bought gold or credits or isk at some point.

I have been saying this for years. Not for EvE, but in general of the MMO community. You get hit from all sides, You have the farmers that end up inflating prices to the point of, if you dont buy gold, you cant get the items you need during your leveling career and if you do buy gold, you just end up helping to inflate the prices even more. Player Run economies are just bad for game play. Everyone wants to equate it to the real world but its not the real world, its just a game and sadly people are even more greedy in game than they are in the real world.

Take crafters for instance. In every MMO that I have played (and that is a boat load of em) crafters always end up inflating their prices to much more than an adventurer can gain at an equal rate. In most cases it is usually about 5 times more than what an adventurer makes in a given hour. I have confronted many of these folks in game and their usual answer was, do you know how boring crafting is! So, they are not doing crafting because the enjoy it, they do it because they know that they can get rich from it (in game anway)!

Take for instance, EQ2. I watched a group corner the market on food and drink on my server. No matter how many food and drink makers their was on my server, when you went to buy some from the auction house, you almost always bought it at that groups prices. Anytime someone put up food and drink below what they charged, they always bought it all  up and repushed it with their prices. I watched a real life friend who was involved in this get stinking rich in the game while the casual player suffered because of the inflated prices. Sadly, EvE has probably the best player run economy of all the games I have played and they are almost as bad as the rest.

I know most people will not agree with me on this but I have always felt player run economies ruin the game for me. Just look at COH! All they have are recipes and invention drops and the prices are through the roof. Common stuff on my server is going for outragous prices now and dont even get me started on a purple rare drop. I could never afford it unless I did buy money from a farmer.

The only true solution to this is developers have to put a stop to player run economies. If they want an auction house or they have crafting in the game, they have to set the high and lows for the items, not the players. If you want to be a crafter because you like doing that, great, you will still make a profit, you just wont get stinking rich by controling the market. Crafters and adventures should IMO, make about the same amount of money per hour no matter what. When a developer gets that right, you will see a very healthy game and one that will be around for a long time.

I think that if you don't wanna go farm the item yourself  you  kind of deserve to get ripped off in a player run economy.  Like for WoW for example I need some trade skill items , now I have the skills necessary to go farm the items I want all by myself....but I am lazy and instead choose to buy the items from the auction from the guy that either Botted and got them or perhaps the player that legitamently went and farmed the items.

Buying from a botter or buying from a player is like buying vegetable from the store or getting them from a Fruit/vegetable stand on the side of the road.  So should the stand owner's lose out because a store is able to make the product more readily available.  So I guess what I am trying to say is "STOP QQ-ING AND L2FARM!" Lazy players are what makes player driven economies fail.

Originally posted by DoomsDay01

The only true solution to this is developers have to put a stop to player run economies. If they want an auction house or they have crafting in the game, they have to set the high and lows for the items, not the players. If you want to be a crafter because you like doing that, great, you will still make a profit, you just wont get stinking rich by controling the market. Crafters and adventures should IMO, make about the same amount of money per hour no matter what. When a developer gets that right, you will see a very healthy game and one that will be around for a long time.

Is that you Obama? I didnt know you played MMO's. Maybe you are Hugo Chavez if not Obama?