Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Legsbiter

Then if it's not a beta, why did I found  NPCs that are completly bugged all over Elten?

I know that they're translating, but the bug had no link with translation.

A released client doesn't mean a bug free client. Just like in any other piece of software there are bound to be bugs. Hell, WoW, EVE and LoTRO still have bugs but that doesn't mean that those games are still in beta.

The Aion beta events are mainly for testing translations, especially since the rumor is that we are going to get version 1.2 at launch. The simple fact that they are testing translations on an outdated version means that there are no drastic game play changes, at least until end game.

Then it's still a beta because it's not bug free.

When game companies start treating beta's like a marketing event it gets easier to forget the real meaning of the word. When the companies have giveaways and contests it stops being a beta and begins being advertisement.

Originally posted by Legsbiter

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Legsbiter

Then if it's not a beta, why did I found  NPCs that are completly bugged all over Elten?

I know that they're translating, but the bug had no link with translation.

A released client doesn't mean a bug free client. Just like in any other piece of software there are bound to be bugs. Hell, WoW, EVE and LoTRO still have bugs but that doesn't mean that those games are still in beta.

The Aion beta events are mainly for testing translations, especially since the rumor is that we are going to get version 1.2 at launch. The simple fact that they are testing translations on an outdated version means that there are no drastic game play changes, at least until end game.

 

Then it's still a beta because it's not bug free.

Ah, so then every single piece of software that was ever released is still in beta?

Originally posted by Prankster

When game companies start treating beta's like a marketing event it gets easier to forget the real meaning of the word. When the companies have giveaways and contests it stops being a beta and begins being advertisement.

I second that.. and a high five for noticing.

Dont tell me this is a real beta when the game has been released over a year ago in china. ... maybe tests the server stability .. but gameplaywise and engine wise.. no way :). I'm a developer and i know about this things,

Things that are missing from the first 10 levels:

1) Supposedly, a movie that plays as your introduction to the world just after character creation.  I didn't see this when I played the trial on the Chinese servers either though.

2) All help text.  Like WoW and most other MMOs today, there's supposed to be question marks that appear above your hotbar and explain parts of the game.  Playing on the Chinese servers with the English patch showed them, but the associated movies were completely absent and rendered them useless.  They don't show up at all for the NA version right now.

3) Proper difficulty.  Playing through the starter island after the population has moved on to other areas is a VERY different experience.  As some indicator, pn the NA servers this weekend I finished the main quest line and that brought be to just barely level 8.  When I tried the Chinese trial, I was level 9.5, had avoided combat when possible, and had finished substantially fewer of the quests.

Overall, the thing people are missing is that this isn't WoW.  Instead of being PvE orientated with PvP options thrown in, the game is centered and balanced around open world, group PvP with PvE thrown in.  The PvE side isn't horrible and is at least as good as the other P2P titles out, but its not the point of the game.

Also, so far everyone I've seen screaming "No immersion!" has failed to actually read the text presented to them.  Somehow they expect the game to telepathicly transmit information into their brain.

Originally posted by A.Dantes

Things that are missing from the first 10 levels:

1) Supposedly, a movie that plays as your introduction to the world just after character creation.  I didn't see this when I played the trial on the Chinese servers either though.

2) All help text.  Like WoW and most other MMOs today, there's supposed to be question marks that appear above your hotbar and explain parts of the game.  Playing on the Chinese servers with the English patch showed them, but the associated movies were completely absent and rendered them useless.  They don't show up at all for the NA version right now.

3) Proper difficulty.  Playing through the starter island after the population has moved on to other areas is a VERY different experience.  As some indicator, pn the NA servers this weekend I finished the main quest line and that brought be to just barely level 8.  When I tried the Chinese trial, I was level 9.5, had avoided combat when possible, and had finished substantially fewer of the quests.

Overall, the thing people are missing is that this isn't WoW.  Instead of being PvE orientated with PvP options thrown in, the game is centered and balanced around open world, group PvP with PvE thrown in.  The PvE side isn't horrible and is at least as good as the other P2P titles out, but its not the point of the game.

Also, so far everyone I've seen screaming "No immersion!" has failed to actually read the text presented to them.  Somehow they expect the game to telepathicly transmit information into their brain.

How can you say that with a straight face when most of the zones are instances closed off by impassible terrain and invisible walls and group PvP starts after you've played half of the game? At least that's how it's going to be in the begining. Once the majority of the players hit the level cap, good luck trying to PvP in the Abyss at level 25.

Originally posted by A.Dantes

Things that are missing from the first 10 levels:

1) Supposedly, a movie that plays as your introduction to the world just after character creation.  I didn't see this when I played the trial on the Chinese servers either though.

2) All help text.  Like WoW and most other MMOs today, there's supposed to be question marks that appear above your hotbar and explain parts of the game.  Playing on the Chinese servers with the English patch showed them, but the associated movies were completely absent and rendered them useless.  They don't show up at all for the NA version right now.

3) Proper difficulty.  Playing through the starter island after the population has moved on to other areas is a VERY different experience.  As some indicator, pn the NA servers this weekend I finished the main quest line and that brought be to just barely level 8.  When I tried the Chinese trial, I was level 9.5, had avoided combat when possible, and had finished substantially fewer of the quests.

Overall, the thing people are missing is that this isn't WoW.  Instead of being PvE orientated with PvP options thrown in, the game is centered and balanced around open world, group PvP with PvE thrown in.  The PvE side isn't horrible and is at least as good as the other P2P titles out, but its not the point of the game.

Also, so far everyone I've seen screaming "No immersion!" has failed to actually read the text presented to them.  Somehow they expect the game to telepathicly transmit information into their brain.

 

 

I havent even mentioned wow.. lol.. i dont expect anything from wow on this game..

I read the text believe me... and still it feels fake.,

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Originally posted by heartless

How can you say that with a straight face when most of the zones are instances closed off by impassible terrain and invisible walls and group PvP starts after you've played half of the game? At least that's how it's going to be in the begining. Once the majority of the players hit the level cap, good luck trying to PvP in the Abyss at level 25.

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Most of the zones are NOT instanced. There are a few instanced dungeons and the first two zones are, but after 20 this protection ends. From that point on you will have little in the way of options if you want to guarantee never seeing PvP thanks to the rifts, which is also one of the ways to engage in PvP without facing level 50s right off the bat.

Level 25 is not half the game. As was clearly demonstrated in the first beta event, level 20 is just the first weekend playing. Level cap won't be for another month or three after that. In addition, there has been a fair number of promising reports that you can still seriously hurt someone higher level. You're not going to take someone out solo if he's 10 levels above you, but he will get steamrolled by a half competent group.

You also forget that the Abyss isn't strictly a PvP zone: Its also one of the best areas for XP by most accounts.

mentality that it's only beta.  If the game doesn't catch you after a couple of hours of playing it never will.  The game will only be a better version of what you currently play.  If you don't like it . . . hang tight for another game because it's only going to be more of the same.

I hate when people say "it's only beta."  That's a wack excuse for people that don't share the same opinion as others.  The true core of a game exist in beta.  Nobody needs to hit max level to determine if they enjoy the game or not.  The graphics, sound, combat system, and lore won't change so if you don't dig it keep looking.

Originally posted by oskironmaide

Originally posted by Prankster

When game companies start treating beta's like a marketing event it gets easier to forget the real meaning of the word. When the companies have giveaways and contests it stops being a beta and begins being advertisement.

 

I second that.. and a high five for noticing.

 

Dont tell me this is a real beta when the game has been released over a year ago in china. ... maybe tests the server stability .. but gameplaywise and engine wise.. no way :). I'm a developer and i know about this things,

I third this no high fives tho ;)

I was overhyped for the War Beta, so went into this one with a whole new outlook on what Beta is and should be.  You get a small piece of the pie (very small in this case)  Same with War although I felt I had a great understanding of the game through Beta which I didn't.  Now I look at these as more bug/performance type tests.  I saw lots in War and many are still there, I see little to no bugs and no performance issues here, hence they have a stable game engine, as long as their servers are decent the game has potential enough to try and see if it interests you.

Originally posted by oskironmaide

This game is not a prototype.. this is the same game as chinese are playing.. with different things... to fit our culture. What they are testing is the servers not the game.. and creating hype so people preorder.

Im not complaining about the game, i didnt said the game was bad. i am 100% sure it appeals to alot of people.. i just wonder why i dont feel any excitement when playing the game..

Im sure there will be more updates and patches.. but this wont change gameplay 100% right????

Aion is a good game... but it feels like any other good game.. nothing new.. just wings... im sure i will find some pvp later on.. but so far feels the same as any other mmo i wont name.

My biggest complain as i mentioned before is i dont know why in the world my character has to do this stupid quests,... i dont see the purpouse.. i dont feel inmersed on this cute world.. i dont feel sympathy for my character since i have no clue whats going on around me.. is a role game and there is nothing to help me play my role.. yeah maybe after level 10 i will get more information, but it is like forcing yourself to watch a bad tv show you dont like

All i know so far.. "and i dont even know this by playing the games but by reading forums""... that both races dont like eachother because they think the other race destroyed the world..

I know this is a beta.. is a "testing" phase.. well i tested it.. and thats my feedback take it or leave it.. :3

And here you are confirming what everyone is saying again: its a beta

As several other posters have already pointed out before, the reason why you don't know why you " have no clue whats going on around you" when you start out is because this is a beta version that is still missing the following content:

1. The main introductory video when you first start the game (as we have in the Korean version).

2. The videos and voice overs that are still missing.

All of this due to translations and westernizing.

Originally posted by BigMango

And here you are confirming what everyone is saying again: its a beta

As several other posters have already pointed out before, the reason why you don't know why you " have no clue whats going on around you" when you start out is because this is a beta version that is still missing the following content:

 

1. The main introductory video when you first start the game (as we have in the Korean version).

2. The videos and voice overs that are still missing.

 

All of this due to translations and westernizing.

 

Do you honestly think that an introductory video and some voice overs will change anything?

Btw, I'm guessing that Aion CN is beta also right? And when the game was released in Korea it was a beta also, right? Or did Korea get 1.2 at launch?

Edit: seriously, stop decieving people with this "it's a beta" nonsense. It's a localization beta. That's not the same thing as a true closed beta where bugs, balancing and new content get tested. We're testing translation on an older version of the client.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by BigMango

And here you are confirming what everyone is saying again: its a beta

As several other posters have already pointed out before, the reason why you don't know why you " have no clue whats going on around you" when you start out is because this is a beta version that is still missing the following content:

 

1. The main introductory video when you first start the game (as we have in the Korean version).

2. The videos and voice overs that are still missing.

 

All of this due to translations and westernizing.

 

Do you honestly think that an introductory video and some voice overs will change anything?

Btw, I'm guessing that Aion CN is beta also right? And when the game was released in Korea it was a beta also, right? Or did Korea get 1.2 at launch?

Edit: seriously, stop decieving people with this "it's a beta" nonsense. It's a localization beta. That's not the same thing as a true closed beta where bugs, balancing and new content get tested. We're testing translation on an older version of the client.

Its still a beta, an event where you cant test any further. If you pay 50$ for a game you give it at least 48 hours, in those 48 hours, opinions will change, and most should turn possitive considering people with experience dont really enjoy tutorial areas.

Originally posted by Ephimero

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by BigMango

And here you are confirming what everyone is saying again: its a beta

As several other posters have already pointed out before, the reason why you don't know why you " have no clue whats going on around you" when you start out is because this is a beta version that is still missing the following content:

 

1. The main introductory video when you first start the game (as we have in the Korean version).

2. The videos and voice overs that are still missing.

 

All of this due to translations and westernizing.

 

Do you honestly think that an introductory video and some voice overs will change anything?

Btw, I'm guessing that Aion CN is beta also right? And when the game was released in Korea it was a beta also, right? Or did Korea get 1.2 at launch?

Edit: seriously, stop decieving people with this "it's a beta" nonsense. It's a localization beta. That's not the same thing as a true closed beta where bugs, balancing and new content get tested. We're testing translation on an older version of the client.

 

Its still a beta, an event where you cant test any further. If you pay 50$ for a game you give it at least 48 hours, in those 48 hours, opinions will change, and most should turn possitive considering people with experience dont really enjoy tutorial areas.

I colored the most important part of your statement. The rest is a bunch of assumptions. You assume that people give a game at least 48 hours. You assume that opinions will change for the better and you assume that people with experience (whoever those people are) will start to magically enjoy the game after they pass the tutorial part.

That's a lot of assumptions if you ask me.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by BigMango

And here you are confirming what everyone is saying again: its a beta

As several other posters have already pointed out before, the reason why you don't know why you " have no clue whats going on around you" when you start out is because this is a beta version that is still missing the following content:

 

1. The main introductory video when you first start the game (as we have in the Korean version).

2. The videos and voice overs that are still missing.

 

All of this due to translations and westernizing.

 

Do you honestly think that an introductory video and some voice overs will change anything?

Btw, I'm guessing that Aion CN is beta also right? And when the game was released in Korea it was a beta also, right? Or did Korea get 1.2 at launch?

Edit: seriously, stop decieving people with this "it's a beta" nonsense. It's a localization beta. That's not the same thing as a true closed beta where bugs, balancing and new content get tested. We're testing translation on an older version of the client.

I agree with you, but am not commenting on beta or not beta.

I am giving the poster a valid reason why he has "no clue about what is happening to him" : The intro video that explains this is missing.

It is missing why? That's one of the reasons why it is in beta.

As for CN Aion, looks like that version was dropped on the Chinese and now lost in some limbo as it didn't get any updates at all. As far as I recall, my CN client version is 0.9.5 (I have to double check this).

NCsoft have already posted several times about how the client we are getting will be different from the CN client (of course still the same game, but more videos, localization, voices & voice overs, couple new features, fixes, etc... as in the korean patches)

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Ephimero

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by BigMango

And here you are confirming what everyone is saying again: its a beta

As several other posters have already pointed out before, the reason why you don't know why you " have no clue whats going on around you" when you start out is because this is a beta version that is still missing the following content:

 

1. The main introductory video when you first start the game (as we have in the Korean version).

2. The videos and voice overs that are still missing.

 

All of this due to translations and westernizing.

 

Do you honestly think that an introductory video and some voice overs will change anything?

Btw, I'm guessing that Aion CN is beta also right? And when the game was released in Korea it was a beta also, right? Or did Korea get 1.2 at launch?

Edit: seriously, stop decieving people with this "it's a beta" nonsense. It's a localization beta. That's not the same thing as a true closed beta where bugs, balancing and new content get tested. We're testing translation on an older version of the client.

 

Its still a beta, an event where you cant test any further. If you pay 50$ for a game you give it at least 48 hours, in those 48 hours, opinions will change, and most should turn possitive considering people with experience dont really enjoy tutorial areas.

 

I colored the most important part of your statement. The rest is a bunch of assumptions. You assume that people give a game at least 48 hours. You assume that opinions will change for the better and you assume that people with experience (whoever those people are) will start to magically enjoy the game after they pass the tutorial part.

That's a lot of assumptions if you ask me.

I never talked about absolutes, dont make it look like if I did.

Originally posted by BigMango

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by BigMango

And here you are confirming what everyone is saying again: its a beta

As several other posters have already pointed out before, the reason why you don't know why you " have no clue whats going on around you" when you start out is because this is a beta version that is still missing the following content:

 

1. The main introductory video when you first start the game (as we have in the Korean version).

2. The videos and voice overs that are still missing.

 

All of this due to translations and westernizing.

 

Do you honestly think that an introductory video and some voice overs will change anything?

Btw, I'm guessing that Aion CN is beta also right? And when the game was released in Korea it was a beta also, right? Or did Korea get 1.2 at launch?

Edit: seriously, stop decieving people with this "it's a beta" nonsense. It's a localization beta. That's not the same thing as a true closed beta where bugs, balancing and new content get tested. We're testing translation on an older version of the client.

 

I agree with you, but am not commenting on beta or not beta.

I am giving the poster a valid reason why he has "no clue about what is happening to him" : The intro video that explains this is missing.

It is missing why? That's one of the reasons why it is in beta.

As for CN Aion, looks like that version was dropped on the Chinese and now lost in some limbo as it didn't get any updates at all. As far as I recall, my CN client version is 0.9.5 (I have to double check this).

NCsoft have already posted several times about how the client we are getting will be different from the CN client (of course still the same game, but more videos, localization, voices & voice overs, couple new features, fixes, etc... as in the korean patches)

 

I'm just curious to know why we are testing the old version when we are suppose to get the latest one?

Originally posted by heartless

I'm just curious to know why we are testing the old version when we are suppose to get the latest one?

Yes, this is also something I have been asking myself, especially considering that we are waiting 1 year for this. And what have they now done in 8 months? They haven't even finished translating the texts...

My guess is that they haven't finished working on the 1.02 version, and probably haven't even touched the 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 patches yet. It looks like they will finish what they have to do with this version and then translate the patches as they come...

I fail to see how the classic "It's a beta" line holds any water here. The game has been out for a few years overseas.

This is it, folks. This is the game. Nothing short of an overhaul will change opinions drastically.

Getting the big picture from the introduction will help many get up to speed on what happened.  However, there are many quests and story progressions as you play which fill in the additional information about you as an individual and what happened to you.  These continue all the way through level 50, so it would be understandable to not know the whole story in a limited level beta.