Hello, I haven't played WAR since October, I kept hearing how bad and un-fun Tier 4 was, and when I got to tier 3, I hated how boring leveling was(just grinding scenarios to level). I have recently reactivated, and found out that Tier 3 goes by much smoother as of late, and am enjoying myself. Unfortunately, when I come to these forums, I never see one good thing that is said about Tier 4. Is Tier 4's RvR still completely borked? Is it still ALL RvE? Is it even fun anymore?

If not, is it going to be awhile? Are BIG changes needed to make RvR fun again? Basically, I am asking this "Is the game as bad as everyone makes it sound out to be" or is it just a bunch of QQers?

Any information regarding this matter is appreciated, thank you.

What you see as QQers are really truth speakers. First of all there is no RVR at all in WoWhammer. None. It is an illusion. The game was hyped and sold with false advertising. The game is a single player all the way. Therefore, a game that is fundamentaly flawed from the basic groundwork cannot get any better as time goes on.

Originally posted by Armisael191

Hello, I haven't played WAR since October, I kept hearing how bad and un-fun Tier 4 was, and when I got to tier 3, I hated how boring leveling was(just grinding scenarios to level). I have recently reactivated, and found out that Tier 3 goes by much smoother as of late, and am enjoying myself. Unfortunately, when I come to these forums, I never see one good thing that is said about Tier 4. Is Tier 4's RvR still completely borked? Is it still ALL RvE? Is it even fun anymore?

 

If not, is it going to be awhile? Are BIG changes needed to make RvR fun again? Basically, I am asking this "Is the game as bad as everyone makes it sound out to be" or is it just a bunch of QQers?

 

Any information regarding this matter is appreciated, thank you.

It depends on which server you're on, but there is a lot of fighting that goes on in Tier 4.  The changes that have been made to Zone Influence, and especially Zone Domination, have reduced the RvE stuff very significantly.

There are still some laggy parts in really big fights, but that's been improved significantly as well.  Fort fights have caps, which help in this regard.

The City Sieges are alright, though in my opinion, I wish they were more focused on PvP and eliminated some of the PvE elements, but it's actually not that bad (though I've only ever gotten to Phase II of a city siege).

The Land of the Dead special event is going on right now, that will add a "Darkness Falls" type of area to the game, with a lot of new content.  So far, it looks very interesting.

There are still some character class imbalances that need to be fixed, but that's something that I can literally say about every class-based PvP game available, and it's not game-breaking.

Anyway, I play on Phoenix Throne (Destro), so that's where my perspective comes from.

The game's on life support really it flopped big style in Russia the oceanic servers are next to dead and the game is down to only 2 EU 5 US servers with half decent populations to top it off most of the WAR forums are on there last legs so yes there is some merit in all the doom and gloom threads.

Your first mistake, OP, was to ask this question on the MMORPG.com boards - these boards are filled with the most jaded of MMO players. Your second mistake was posting on the Warhammer forum on the MMORPG.com boards, the most troll infested board since Warhammer was announced.

In REALITY, this game is not on "life support" or on its "last legs" as a couple above me have said. This game is doing fine, and if the trolls would actually play the game, they would realize this. Yes, some servers have very low populations and are only active during peak times, but there are plenty of well populated servers where there is plenty of action in all of the tiers. I would say that I completely agree with what both Rohn and Judgethane said in their posts... this game is very much still alive, and the future looks good.

Of the complaints that trolls make, one is valid: lack of endgame content. Warhammer, as it stands, is a constant circle of keep trading... each side will trade keeps back and forth for weeks at a time until finally one side manages to get control of enough to attack a city. In the off chance they muster enough people together to attack said city, the server has a 75% chance to crash and/or lag horribly. This is really the worst part of the game, and an area which I hope they fix very shortly.

With that said, the new live event that will be added very shortly will certainly breathe new life into this game. Many people who quit months back will be resubbing to try out the new dungeon and RVR area, as well as the other huge changes that will be taking place. Whether or not this content is good enough to maintain those players will be the question. However, the last official records as of a few months ago was 300k which is certainly enough people for an MMO. We'd always like more, and hopefully that will happen, but for now, this game is certainly far from being dead. Hopefully you will read in between the posts here and be able to ignore the trolls (and, for the other side, the rampant fanboys who can't see clearly either) and get an idea of where the game is really at. I'd certainly recommend trying it out again... if not now, then at least when the major content patch hits later this summer. Things will certainly be improving even more when that finally releases.

" Yes, some servers have very low populations and are only active during peak times, but there are plenty of well populated servers where there is plenty of action in all of the tiers."

As of 5pm Eastern, on a recent Saturday...

Iron Rock - Core - Med | Med
Gorfang - Core - Med | Med
Dark Crag - Open RvR - Med | Med
Praag - Open RvR - Med | Med
Phoenix Throne - Roleplaying - Med | Med

Volkmar - Core - Low | Low
Ironfist - Core - Low | Low
Vortex - Core - Low | Low
Skull Throne - Core - Low | Low
Monolith - Core - Low | Low
Magnus - Core - Low | Low
Badlands - Core - Low | Low
Ostermark - Roleplaying - Low | Low
Ironclaw - Core - (Oceanic) Low | Low
Darklands - Core - (Oceanic) Low | Low

5 Med pop servers, 8 Low pop, 2 Low pop oceanic servers

I think that's "most" not "some" for the low pop servers :)

Those 5 are the solid med servers left with Volk and Ironfist hitting Med around primetime.

To say the future is looking bright when servers aren't even hitting High anymore like they used to since they became like this is being ... "optimistic" probably. And that's after closing what... 43 servers?  It's looking very likely they'll need another merger.

They'll get a temporary boost once LotD goes live in the coming few days probably so that'll help a bit. The Aion weekend is also over, lol.

Curious about the Q2 subs although funnily enough both the launch of LoTD and the taiwan launch fall in the ending week of the Quarter so that's gonna boost the number by a lot above what it normally is :)

Haha Pheace... you are hilarious. You keep posting those statistics and for some reason think they are an accurate depiction of the overall game population? Next you'll be posting Xfire numbers and calling them 100% truth.

Last we heard, the game had 300,000 subscribers, so those are the only numbers we can accurately talk about. It doesn't matter if the realm status shows as "Med", "High", or "Low" - what matters is where the people are and what they are doing. On my server, Iron Rock (a Medium-peak server), there is plenty of action during my normal playing hours. I could care less if the server status said Low... it doesn't mean much at all. Now, if these generic words had numbers attached to them, then I would take more value in what you are posting. However, the fact that you took data from ONE day and are calling it cold hard truth is laughable at best. It's clear to me that your only goal here is to make the game seem much worse than it is. Is it some type of vendetta you have against the game? You seem very ready to copy and paste those stats on every thread you visit. It's as simple as this: if you're not actively playing the game, you cannot make wild assertions on server populations unless you have subscription numbers straight from the developer.

I'll tell you and the OP this, and then I am going to avoid this because I can see it already becoming troll bait: the game is still afloat. No, the numbers aren't drastically increasing. However, on the other side, numbers are not drastically decreasing either. In my opinion, Warhammer Online's future will be determined by Land of the Dead. If it works and draws people back in, the game will stay alive for much longer. However, if it fails, I believe the servers will continue to fade until mergers occur and/or the game closes / changes its marketing scheme (ie: D&DO).

You call me optimistic - I am. I am optimistic that WAR will suceed, but I also realize that it is on thin ice right now.

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Originally posted by ParkCarsHere

Haha Pheace... you are hilarious. You keep posting those statistics and for some reason think they are an accurate depiction of the overall game population?

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What would be interesting is if you posted the server population levels since you obviously know Pheace is lying and giving an "inaccurate" description.

So, got a snapshot handy so everyone can see which server is HIGH/HIGH? Or how about just posting anything with server conditions to prove your point?

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by ParkCarsHere

 

Haha Pheace... you are hilarious. You keep posting those statistics and for some reason think they are an accurate depiction of the overall game population?

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What would be interesting is if you posted the server population levels since you obviously know Pheace is lying and giving an "inaccurate" description.

 

 

 

So, got a snapshot handy so everyone can see which server is HIGH/HIGH? Or how about just posting anything with server conditions to prove your point?

It's not like I quoted the guy in the other thread complaining the servers have been low/low most of the day ...

It's funny he doesn't really say *anything* about what it's really like with the servers. He just says "Medium is fine".

Great, and I highlighted *which* servers are the solid mediums with that list so people can actually pick those instead of get stuck on a low/low server.

Don't think low/low is bad? Read the OF RvR/Server forums. Think that doesn't matter? Tell that to the people on those low/low servers. Not everyone has had the fortune to play on DC since the day of it's creation. Some people have rerolled several times already and are sick of it, it's important to know which servers are still solid and which are not.

Now, if you(the one who complained at me) feel like adding anything useful feel free to post it because you certainly haven't yet.

Ow, and where did I say those server numbers had anything to do with accurately depicting total game population? It's just the US list, there's no way to tell anything about total pop from that. What I *do* know is is that the servers were still hitting high when they announced their last 300k. Even so, I didn't make any guestimation in my post on the current pop whatsoever.

Originally posted by ParkCarsHere

Your first mistake, OP, was to ask this question on the MMORPG.com boards - these boards are filled with the most jaded of MMO players. Your second mistake was posting on the Warhammer forum on the MMORPG.com boards, the most troll infested board since Warhammer was announced.

In REALITY, this game is not on "life support" or on its "last legs" as a couple above me have said. This game is doing fine, and if the trolls would actually play the game, they would realize this. Yes, some servers have very low populations and are only active during peak times, but there are plenty of well populated servers where there is plenty of action in all of the tiers. I would say that I completely agree with what both Rohn and Judgethane said in their posts... this game is very much still alive, and the future looks good.

Of the complaints that trolls make, one is valid: lack of endgame content. Warhammer, as it stands, is a constant circle of keep trading... each side will trade keeps back and forth for weeks at a time until finally one side manages to get control of enough to attack a city. In the off chance they muster enough people together to attack said city, the server has a 75% chance to crash and/or lag horribly. This is really the worst part of the game, and an area which I hope they fix very shortly.

With that said, the new live event that will be added very shortly will certainly breathe new life into this game. Many people who quit months back will be resubbing to try out the new dungeon and RVR area, as well as the other huge changes that will be taking place. Whether or not this content is good enough to maintain those players will be the question. However, the last official records as of a few months ago was 300k which is certainly enough people for an MMO. We'd always like more, and hopefully that will happen, but for now, this game is certainly far from being dead. Hopefully you will read in between the posts here and be able to ignore the trolls (and, for the other side, the rampant fanboys who can't see clearly either) and get an idea of where the game is really at. I'd certainly recommend trying it out again... if not now, then at least when the major content patch hits later this summer. Things will certainly be improving even more when that finally releases.

Not correct.

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Originally posted by Zorndorf

I wonder how EA will report about this in its next Q update. I guess it will be around the " ... populations are still holding strong despite the summer and can be traced around the earlier projections..." With this they won't lie and War fans can still refer to the 300K subs they once had at Xmas time.

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This next quarter EA/Mythic did another bait and switch. They are releasing in Taiwan a few days before the quarter ends? Surprise! EA/Mythic has done this since launch and I suggest reading Sanya Weathers blog on what things mean when companies say certain things about subscription numbers because this is exactly how the business endgame is played. Release the game right before a new quarter so you pad your numbers to investors.

EA will add those new subs to the already low subs to get another number. Then after a few weeks the number goes back down again. Probably is, they are running out of places to "unveil" WAR where people have any interest. They are also charging people less overseas so it's not like they are making the money they are making here.

It just amazes me they would go the length to release the game in a place like Taiwan. I'm pretty sure the have no intrest for the game there.... yet all that money pissed away releasing in market's that most likely won't  give a damn about War. They could've put into the game itself to help really improve it. But apparently, they don't give shit .. which they haven't for awhile now.

Originally posted by DillingerEP

It just amazes me they would go the length to release the game in a place like Taiwan. I'm pretty sure the have no intrest for the game there.... yet all that money pissed away releasing in market's that most likely won't  give a damn about War. They could've put into the game itself to help really improve it. But apparently, they don't give shit .. which they haven't for awhile now.

There are a lot of wow players in china that are playing on Taiwan wow severs while blizzard is switching service providers in china.  It isn't a bad time for warhammer to make itself available in other markets, because to be completely honest it is pretty much over with in NA/Europe as far as growth is concerned. 

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by DillingerEP

It just amazes me they would go the length to release the game in a place like Taiwan. I'm pretty sure the have no intrest for the game there.... yet all that money pissed away releasing in market's that most likely won't  give a damn about War. They could've put into the game itself to help really improve it. But apparently, they don't give shit .. which they haven't for awhile now.

 

There are a lot of wow players in china that are playing on Taiwan wow severs while blizzard is switching service providers in china.  It isn't a bad time for warhammer to make itself available in other markets, because to be completely honest it is pretty much over with in NA/Europe as far as growth is concerned. 

What does China playing WoW on Taiwan server's have anything to do about it. Given Warhammers slow demise, and Mythic's lack of ability to keep players. How is it a good time?... to piss away more money to release a game, in a market that's already swamped with PvP games and the immortal WoW  sitting  on a golden throne over in Asia?

I'm sorry.. I'm not trying to be a asshole here. But I just find it hard to believe... they'll find much sucess over there. Given the games state here in NA, and then Europe.

Originally posted by Newhopes

The game's on life support really it flopped big style in Russia the oceanic servers are next to dead and the game is down to only 2 EU 5 US servers with half decent populations to top it off most of the WAR forums are on there last legs so yes there is some merit in all the doom and gloom threads.

I just checked, counted the med - med servers, it's 11:20 PM CEST (Europe).
I counted 9 med - med servers and it's not even peak time right now, so get ur facts straight..

Well for my 2 penneth,

This Game is on it's last legs. Even the new update hasn't caused a real upsurge in server pops.

Bottom line, I will be cancelling again this month. after re-subbing to see how things were after quiting 3 months ago.

RvR is a joke, PVE is dead and there are simply not enough players to make the game last.

I had such high hopes for  a decent GW game. I should have known better.

The game is fundementally flawed due to the levelling = access to content design. PVE level, RVR level.....it'd just the wrong mechanic and the complete lack of sandbox elements has turned it into CS for MMO addicts. They pop in for a quick senario, a keep raid then are gone.....off playing something, anything else as far as I can see.

MMO's are currently undergoing a period of Fusion design, similar to cooking. Unfortunately we have only 1 or 2 *** Michelin Star Chefs and hundreds of kebab shops selling their wares.

The result, constant food poisoning.

Just got done trying out the Land of the Dead on my order serv. Must say it is pretty fun. The pqs have an Action RPG console type feel to them. I know thats offf topic but just thought id say that the new content adds alot more to the game.

Just a side note i logged on at 11 a.m. till about 2:30 p.m. Cali time on Skull throne and in that period we had about 3 Warbands in the LOtD and Destruction was attacking Altdorf. Skull throne had a low server population but seems to me like that was plenty of action and you cant consider that "dead".

I have to say, I also think WAR is on it's last legs.  I havent tried LOTD yet, so I can't really speak on that.

I have 3 40s on Dark Crag and had fun leveling to 40.  I also enjoyed level 40 ORvR for a little bit, but I really don't like it at the moment.  The last time I played on DC Destro was getting crushed by Order.  After a while I noticed less and less Destro.  Most of my guild (which wasn't a huge guild btw) either stopped signing on one day, quit, or switched servers.  I got fed up with all the lag, server crashes, boring repetive keep and city sieges, population imbalance, and class imbalance, so I stopped playing.  All of my RL friends stopped playing, too.

Another friend pretty recently asked me to play Order with him on Praag.  I've been pretty bored so I decided to go for it.  T1-T2 I had a lot of fun in SCs, but ORvR was pretty dead for the most part.  If there was anything going on, Order was always outnumbered.  I reached T3 and it was the same problem, only SCs would not pop for an hour.  One time I stayed in queue for all the SCs available for so long, my character went afk then logged off.  I was basically forced to PvE all through T3.  I just reached T4 last week.  I might just be unlucky, but Order wasn't doing any ORvR, and SCs were still taking pretty long to pop (30 minutes).  I signed on today and Order was actually claiming the last keep.  I guess most of Destro was in Land of The Dead. 

As for WAR in general, end game is really not that fun.  Spam abilities on a door for a pretty long time, move to 2nd door spam away.  Go upstairs to the Lord and spam.  Repeat this on all the keeps necessary to get to the Forts.  Repeat the same thing on the Forts to unlock the city.  Get to the city and earn gear through a PQ while doing your best to avoid PvP so you can get your reward. 

I had the most fun playing in SCs, and even they aren't that great.  Until recently most battle objectives were almost pointless.  Sure they helped you win, but they weren't necessary, which caused a lot of people to not care about the objective.  I've been in so many Serpant's Passage games where nobody cares about the part (flag). 

The biggest problem with the game is the lag.  How can you have fun when you can barely move?  Another huge problem I have, which may sound minor but is so damn annoying, is getting stuck on things.  I mean wtf? Why is it that I always find myself stuck on a tiny rock, or a fence I should easily be able hop over?  Or how about when your wacking away at that door, and oil is spilling all over you, and you try to move... but you are stuck between all these players.  Another thing that drives me crazy is losing HP while walking down a hill.  It just doesn't make sense, especially when the ground is smooth.  It's been many months now and they still can't fix these issues?  It took them about half a year to fix moving chat windows! Let's not forget about their mail system, which is still a piece of shit. 

I really wanted this game to do good.  I was waiting for a pvp game for so long, and for the most part WAR is a PvE.  Everything you do in end game is based around PvE.  WAR had the potential to do good, but Mythic didn't focus on the most basic aspects of the game.  Instead they spent their time working on the missing classes and LOTD.

Pheace...could you please post the server loads on a friday or saturday at about 9 or 10 pm eastern? That will show you the real peak.

5 pm eastern is off hours for just about everyone.

Originally posted by Capn23

Pheace...could you please post the server loads on a friday or saturday at about 9 or 10 pm eastern? That will show you the real peak.

 

5 pm eastern is off hours for just about everyone.

Don't have those but I do have this one :)

As of 9pm Eastern, "Primetime", on a Thursday...

Volkmar - Core - Med | Med
Praag - Open RvR - Med | Med
Phoenix Throne - Roleplaying - Med | Med
Ironfist - Core - Med | Med
Iron Rock - Core - Med | Med
Gorfang - Core - Med | Med
Dark Crag - Open RvR - Med | Med
Vortex - Core - Low | Low
Skull Throne - Core - Low | Low
Ostermark - Roleplaying - Low | Low
Monolith - Core - Low | Low
Magnus - Core - Low | Low
Badlands - Core - Low | Low
Ironclaw - Core - (Oceanic) Low | Low
Darklands - Core - (Oceanic) Low | Low

7 Med pop servers, 6 Low pop, 2 Low pop oceanic servers

Also, you seem to be misunderstanding me if you think I claimed that was a max situation there. The one I posted before was posted after the one I posted right now which as a result gives a clear sign that the top 5 servers on the other list are the *solid* med/med servers and the other 2 that are med on this list are not *as* solid.

So in other words, if you want to reroll or start on a server those top 5 are the best choices.

Edit: That "primetime" thing was from the original C/P, I dont' claim to know when Prime time is, I think it differs too much.