Originally posted by toord

Originally posted by craynlon

 my question would be:

even if they introduced an option that some shmoe could buy a lvl 20char with all attributes to 26, why would you care ?

if your not in the game to have a challenging adventure and great entertainment with your friends but in it for some kind of obscure leveling/ item race them imho youve left the path of traditional roleplaying even bevore they introduced this service.

 

as i said bevore, i would scream hell if they introduce such a thing in any competative game were guilds have to defend their castles against opponents and people are under the pressure of constant pvp but this is not the case here.

so out of true curiosity id wonder why you would feel insulted if you yourselve never use any aids but the guy on the next table plays on easy mode. you just find your guild/ friends of people that want the game as purists as you do and just ignore the rest or even accept the fresh money they bring in for your game to stay alive

 

craynlon ,

 

If you read my post you'll notice I was already unhappy with Turbine's direction. Magic out of control, clerics and magi being able to chug mana pots like it's no body's business, dying has no meaning other than couple of minutes with neg levels, res spells (and even scrolls) cheap as dirt, dwarves with no Darkvision, Beholders, Air ellies, and many other mobs doing all sort of crazy things they're NOT supposed to. Those things were already breaking the game, at least for me. Also if you read, I was honestly expecting Turbine to, for once, to add meaningful races and classes to the game,  mounts, to "fix" long standing issues players have been complaining for YEARS (the Lag issue, no?)... instead the decided to throw all of that out the window in order to make this game your average/mainstream MMO (which is a bad thing, IMO).

 

Peace.

 

hmm ok i agree with you on the "stay true to DDO" thing.
still ddo for me with all its game mechanics of puzzling and "true" questing is a good and heavy underrated mmo.
yes it may move a bit towards mainstream but actually i hope that also the mainstream would also move a bit towards ddo in terms of quest quality.

all in all i also agree that im more rhappy with the "buy content" then the "buy potions and aids" aspect of the new service i was just interested to see if long time players would feel cheated if they played it the hard way till now.

Originally posted by toord

And in the end, as Gary Gygax said, the game can be anything you want. The "rules" were just guidelines. You could adopt, alter or discard anything you wanted. Nothing was set in stone.

 

Perhaps we have different interpretations of the AD&D DMG preface (where Gygax explains the purpose and the place of the rules). I read it as the DMG is sorta constitution. Individual states and locales can have slight variations of the rules, but none can supersede the ones put in place or stated by the Federal gov't. Yes, fun and imagination should/must be used, but not in such a ways that deviates from the game's core rules.

 

Peace.

While I agree with you, toord, in that the rules are the rules and deviations to a degree should be allowed but the DMG was the Constitution (to allude to it, it'd be like all powers not enumerated here are left to the States), it really is a very common practice to roll a new character at the minimum level to play a higher-level module if you don't already have a character at that level.  That said, in the groups I've played in, either the character is temporary and limited to just that playthrough of that particular module and is then discarded, or the character is required to go back and play all previous modules after the current one is done to "catch-up".  Also, no group I ever played with charged me a monthly fee to play, and then changed the rules and charged people per level or any other RMT crap like that.

This stinks to high hell.  I played DDO very briefly after launch, and knowing the richness that DnD could have, was EXTREMELY disappointed that it was nothing but hack n' slash.  Having come from SWG Pre-CU, I expected waaaaay more to do.  DDO should have been a sandbox with those instanced quests being the main content, not the ONLY content.  The more companies that move to RMT after the fact, the more games that will suffer their last breaths shortly afterward.

Originally posted by Kylrathin

Originally posted by toord

And in the end, as Gary Gygax said, the game can be anything you want. The "rules" were just guidelines. You could adopt, alter or discard anything you wanted. Nothing was set in stone.

 

Perhaps we have different interpretations of the AD&D DMG preface (where Gygax explains the purpose and the place of the rules). I read it as the DMG is sorta constitution. Individual states and locales can have slight variations of the rules, but none can supersede the ones put in place or stated by the Federal gov't. Yes, fun and imagination should/must be used, but not in such a ways that deviates from the game's core rules.

 

Peace.

While I agree with you, toord, in that the rules are the rules and deviations to a degree should be allowed but the DMG was the Constitution (to allude to it, it'd be like all powers not enumerated here are left to the States), it really is a very common practice to roll a new character at the minimum level to play a higher-level module if you don't already have a character at that level.  That said, in the groups I've played in, either the character is temporary and limited to just that playthrough of that particular module and is then discarded, or the character is required to go back and play all previous modules after the current one is done to "catch-up".  Also, no group I ever played with charged me a monthly fee to play, and then changed the rules and charged people per level or any other RMT crap like that.

 

This stinks to high hell.  I played DDO very briefly after launch, and knowing the richness that DnD could have, was EXTREMELY disappointed that it was nothing but hack n' slash.  Having come from SWG Pre-CU, I expected waaaaay more to do.  DDO should have been a sandbox with those instanced quests being the main content, not the ONLY content.  The more companies that move to RMT after the fact, the more games that will suffer their last breaths shortly afterward.

My thoughts and feelings exactly. Only more eloquent than I was :) Good write up.

Peace.

I have a feeling that SW:TOR will be selling content packages in a similar manner. All evidence so far points to that very real possibility.

Originally posted by Senadina

I have a feeling that SW:TOR will be selling content packages in a similar manner. All evidence so far points to that very real possibility.

That would officially suck. The more that MMOs try to experiment with unorthodox business models, the less I feel compelled to play them.

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Originally posted by Senadina
I have a feeling that SW:TOR will be selling content packages in a similar manner. All evidence so far points to that very real possibility.

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Evidence?

Originally posted by toord

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by toord

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by toord

 There's nothing more anti-D&D than buying your way up. Leveling sigils? Self Rez cakes? Exta XP cakes? Hello? Is anyone working in DDO right now have a DMG/PHB taking dust around? Can they pick up the phone and call WotC and ask a lore master if these items will break the game?

 

Original, those items were called an "Eraser" and "The game master" and most times were done in the name of "Fun".

 

No, they don't. The only reason a DM would let the WHOLE  group  (not just those who can afford it) level up/down if there was a mishap or something like the DM forgetting to bring the dungeon layout  :) SelfRez anything is game breaker and you know it. Never heard of a DM letting someone cast rez or wish upon themselves after they're dead.

Uh huh. Yeah. Its quite common to roll a toon in DnD that is "X" level, so you could play a new module.

 

 

Alright. Even if I agreed to the point above (I still don't, but we obviously have different opinions), you still have to justify the "easy button" with selfrez cakes, bonus XP potions ... buying stuff/supplies while inside dungeons ... don't tell me it's common practice for a DM to let you buy things from inside some lair/cave full of baddies.

 

 

DnD:U isn't selling stuff like that (weapons that is).

Other than that, don't tell me your one of those DnD players that couldn't fart unless you looked up the Thaco of your pants.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by toord

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by toord

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by toord

 There's nothing more anti-D&D than buying your way up. Leveling sigils? Self Rez cakes? Exta XP cakes? Hello? Is anyone working in DDO right now have a DMG/PHB taking dust around? Can they pick up the phone and call WotC and ask a lore master if these items will break the game?

 

Original, those items were called an "Eraser" and "The game master" and most times were done in the name of "Fun".

 

No, they don't. The only reason a DM would let the WHOLE  group  (not just those who can afford it) level up/down if there was a mishap or something like the DM forgetting to bring the dungeon layout  :) SelfRez anything is game breaker and you know it. Never heard of a DM letting someone cast rez or wish upon themselves after they're dead.

Uh huh. Yeah. Its quite common to roll a toon in DnD that is "X" level, so you could play a new module.

 

 

Alright. Even if I agreed to the point above (I still don't, but we obviously have different opinions), you still have to justify the "easy button" with selfrez cakes, bonus XP potions ... buying stuff/supplies while inside dungeons ... don't tell me it's common practice for a DM to let you buy things from inside some lair/cave full of baddies.

 

 

DnD:U isn't selling stuff like that (weapons that is).

Other than that, don't tell me your one of those DnD players that couldn't fart unless you looked up the Thaco of your pants.

 

Of course not! I had my pants enchanted agaisnt "acidental backfire"

I think your all idiots,

This is the best thing that could happen for DDO.  I was very excited to hear about it.

I even have gone and done the trial to see how its improved over the years, and wow, what a fantastic game!  I'd even subscribe to it.  A stark contrast to the really bad game it was on release.  The graphics, the content, the adventure, even the compeltly re-vamped new player zone, fantastic!

Not only that i've got a lot of friends who have done the trial, they all agree that the game is good, but not a game they would pay monthly for! 

So suddenly here is an mmo that has brought a lot of old friends together, adventuring and having fun!

DDO Slipping further?... fools, this will pull DDO out of the fire.  Im certainly going to be playing this until Aion.

Originally posted by sadeyx

I think your all idiots,

This is the best thing that could happen for DDO.  I was very excited to hear about it.

I even have gone and done the trial to see how its improved over the years, and wow, what a fantastic game!  I'd even subscribe to it.  A stark contrast to the really bad game it was on release.  The graphics, the content, the adventure, even the compeltly re-vamped new player zone, fantastic!

Not only that i've got a lot of friends who have done the trial, they all agree that the game is good, but not a game they would pay monthly for! 

So suddenly here is an mmo that has brought a lot of old friends together, adventuring and having fun!

 

DDO Slipping further?... fools, this will pull DDO out of the fire.  Im certainly going to be playing this until Aion.

And that ladies and gentlemen IS the epitome of the probervial FANBOI111!!!! Ugh. People like you are the ones who have lowered the bar for game makers across the baord. If you are happy with whatever sh!t the developers throw at you then you can expect developer to keep throwing sh!t all over since producing sh!t is cheap and thus better forthe bottom line.

Originally posted by nekollx

Of course not! I had my pants enchanted agaisnt "acidental backfire"

L.M.A.O! :D