Originally posted by Phelcher

Originally posted by Cristina1

Yes but you are missing one small point. People love to make negative posts re "OMGZ I QUIT!" people who dont make posts such as "I DONT QUIT!" unless its to annoy particular poster. 

So the perception that everybody is leaving is wrong, people quit MMOs all the time, you just need to know MMO life cycles to understand user numbers and explanations for them.Also Devs dont bother with "General discussion" section of the forums for obvious reasons, they stick to suggestion section and dot forget they ahve their own mind made up on how to develop their own game, so they dont follow players advice 100%.

 Oh and about naval battles, I would imagine they happen at sea some place? since i havent bothered to even go out to sea in a raft I dont know. Besides its not a naval simulator, if it was then i would understand you but its not the main focus of the game, so whats this fuss about naval battles? Even If clans worked out that building fleets is not that viable then whats wrong with that?

 

I think you are missing the over-all point.

Darkfall is only 4 months old and has an extremely high turn over rate.  This is not good when you have a limited fanbase.

Darkfall doesn't have 50k people wanting to play it..  it has roughly 10k. Of whats left of the original fanbase, Aventurien IS having a tough time keeping this game a float. They simply cannot continue on this path for much longer with only 6k ~ 8k subscribers. As they will have to file for bankruptcy soon.

what are you talking about, you know nothing, not nice to make stuff up. DF is not going anywhere. Many MMOs have less than 1,000 active subscribers and they have been "staying afloat" for years....

Originally posted by Cristina1

Originally posted by Phelcher

Originally posted by Cristina1

Yes but you are missing one small point. People love to make negative posts re "OMGZ I QUIT!" people who dont make posts such as "I DONT QUIT!" unless its to annoy particular poster. 

So the perception that everybody is leaving is wrong, people quit MMOs all the time, you just need to know MMO life cycles to understand user numbers and explanations for them.Also Devs dont bother with "General discussion" section of the forums for obvious reasons, they stick to suggestion section and dot forget they ahve their own mind made up on how to develop their own game, so they dont follow players advice 100%.

 Oh and about naval battles, I would imagine they happen at sea some place? since i havent bothered to even go out to sea in a raft I dont know. Besides its not a naval simulator, if it was then i would understand you but its not the main focus of the game, so whats this fuss about naval battles? Even If clans worked out that building fleets is not that viable then whats wrong with that?

 

I think you are missing the over-all point.

Darkfall is only 4 months old and has an extremely high turn over rate.  This is not good when you have a limited fanbase.

Darkfall doesn't have 50k people wanting to play it..  it has roughly 10k. Of whats left of the original fanbase, Aventurien IS having a tough time keeping this game a float. They simply cannot continue on this path for much longer with only 6k ~ 8k subscribers. As they will have to file for bankruptcy soon.

 

what are you talking about, you know nothing, not nice to make stuff up. DF is not going anywhere. Many MMOs have less than 1,000 active subscribers and they have been "staying afloat" for years....

WHAT? Please name one mmo that you have to buy and has a monthly subscription with only 1,000 players and is still running.

Aventurine has to pay off at least a 10 million dollar loan, Do you honestly think that having only 1,000 to 10,000 max subscriber base is going to support this?

Originally posted by Otiro

Originally posted by Cristina1

Originally posted by Phelcher

Originally posted by Cristina1

Yes but you are missing one small point. People love to make negative posts re "OMGZ I QUIT!" people who dont make posts such as "I DONT QUIT!" unless its to annoy particular poster. 

So the perception that everybody is leaving is wrong, people quit MMOs all the time, you just need to know MMO life cycles to understand user numbers and explanations for them.Also Devs dont bother with "General discussion" section of the forums for obvious reasons, they stick to suggestion section and dot forget they ahve their own mind made up on how to develop their own game, so they dont follow players advice 100%.

 Oh and about naval battles, I would imagine they happen at sea some place? since i havent bothered to even go out to sea in a raft I dont know. Besides its not a naval simulator, if it was then i would understand you but its not the main focus of the game, so whats this fuss about naval battles? Even If clans worked out that building fleets is not that viable then whats wrong with that?

 

I think you are missing the over-all point.

Darkfall is only 4 months old and has an extremely high turn over rate.  This is not good when you have a limited fanbase.

Darkfall doesn't have 50k people wanting to play it..  it has roughly 10k. Of whats left of the original fanbase, Aventurien IS having a tough time keeping this game a float. They simply cannot continue on this path for much longer with only 6k ~ 8k subscribers. As they will have to file for bankruptcy soon.

 

what are you talking about, you know nothing, not nice to make stuff up. DF is not going anywhere. Many MMOs have less than 1,000 active subscribers and they have been "staying afloat" for years....

WHAT? Please name one mmo that you have to buy and has a monthly subscription with only 1,000 players and is still running.

Aventurine has to pay off at least a 10 million dollar loan, Do you honestly think that having only 1,000 to 10,000 max subscriber base is going to support this?

Yes, I'd also be interested to see what the pay off on a 10 million dollar loan would be at their low subscriber numbers!

I'm sure that the "investors" will be wildly enthusiastic about a pennies on the dollar pay off while the game inches along at a snail's pace.......great business model, you betcha!

Originally posted by aedn

 

Then to build ships you need ship modules which are 400 gold, 200 wood, 40 iron ingots, 50 cloth. the lowest level ship requires 15 modules and the highest requires 1000, as well as an astrolabe. astrolabes are rare drop items from mid to high level treasure chests, which the keys to open are a rare drop already, which means your in an arms race not only for resources but to exploit mid or high level mobs to get keys to get a chance at an astrolabe.

 

There have never been a naval battle in Darkfall, and in it`s current state it will never be a naval battle...ever. The reason is simple as Aedn points out, the huge grind in everything Darkfall have to offer.

Shipbuilding Skill Level 1
Ship 1: 15 modules, 1 astrolabe

Shipbuilding Skill Level 25
Ship 4: 30 modules, 1 astrolabe

Shipbuilding Skill Level 50
Ship 5: 50 modules, 1 astrolabe
Ship 6: 65 modules, 1 astrolabe
Ship 7: 90 modules, 1 astrolabe

Shipbuilding Skill Level 75:
Warship 1: 250 modules, 1 astrolabe mariners
Warship 2: 300 modules, 1 astrolabe mariners

Shipbuilding Skill Level 100:
Warship 3: 375 modules, 1 astrolabe mariners
Warship 4: 1000 modules, 3 astrolabe mariners

Just look at the amount of grinding you have to do just to build a ship. And this is not some easy EVE ship, because we don`t have insurance in Darkfall. The same is with the landbased Warhulks, you will never see a battle where one can risk losing one of those. The grind to get a ship is so huge, those who have build one make a youtube video to show off.

Just another thing Aventurine fcuked up with useless grinding.

I left before seeing anything bigger than a raft unfortunately.

I just wanted to comment on previous posts about naval warfare not being central to the game.

Not only is it a stated feature, but pretty important to island based clans. It is utterly ridiculous to watch thousands of players swimming the sea to get to another persons city.

I was also told PvE wasn't central to the game, so I shouldn't complain that it also pretty flawed.

I think Darkfall should let itself be bought by SoE. They did wonders for Vanguard, who also promised lots of things..

Originally posted by Cristina1

Originally posted by Phelcher

Originally posted by Cristina1

Yes but you are missing one small point. People love to make negative posts re "OMGZ I QUIT!" people who dont make posts such as "I DONT QUIT!" unless its to annoy particular poster. 

So the perception that everybody is leaving is wrong, people quit MMOs all the time, you just need to know MMO life cycles to understand user numbers and explanations for them.Also Devs dont bother with "General discussion" section of the forums for obvious reasons, they stick to suggestion section and dot forget they ahve their own mind made up on how to develop their own game, so they dont follow players advice 100%.

 Oh and about naval battles, I would imagine they happen at sea some place? since i havent bothered to even go out to sea in a raft I dont know. Besides its not a naval simulator, if it was then i would understand you but its not the main focus of the game, so whats this fuss about naval battles? Even If clans worked out that building fleets is not that viable then whats wrong with that?

 

I think you are missing the over-all point.

Darkfall is only 4 months old and has an extremely high turn over rate.  This is not good when you have a limited fanbase.

Darkfall doesn't have 50k people wanting to play it..  it has roughly 10k. Of whats left of the original fanbase, Aventurien IS having a tough time keeping this game a float. They simply cannot continue on this path for much longer with only 6k ~ 8k subscribers. As they will have to file for bankruptcy soon.

 

what are you talking about, you know nothing, not nice to make stuff up. DF is not going anywhere. Many MMOs have less than 1,000 active subscribers and they have been "staying afloat" for years....

... and the bar just keeps getting lower.

How far this game has fallen from the bold claims of its most passionate fans as being "revolutionary" and "genre changing" only some months ago.

Once upon a time, there were people who claimed DF would have Blizzard concerned about losing subscriptions (which was absurd even then, but still...). Only a couple months ago, rabid fans were gloating daily about how there was a line to play the game because AV simply couldn't support the "100s of thousands of people" falling over each other for a chance to play...

Now we're down to referring to "MMOs" with less than 1,000 people and merely "staying afloat" as a defense of Darkfall's long-term viability.

So, so sad.
 

Originally posted by Cristina1

Originally posted by Phelcher

I think you are missing the over-all point.

Darkfall is only 4 months old and has an extremely high turn over rate.  This is not good when you have a limited fanbase.

Darkfall doesn't have 50k people wanting to play it..  it has roughly 10k. Of whats left of the original fanbase, Aventurien IS having a tough time keeping this game a float. They simply cannot continue on this path for much longer with only 6k ~ 8k subscribers. As they will have to file for bankruptcy soon.

 

what are you talking about, you know nothing, not nice to make stuff up. DF is not going anywhere. Many MMOs have less than 1,000 active subscribers and they have been "staying afloat" for years....

Umm...

Pot meet kettle. 

I too would be interested in this list of "Many MMOs" with less than 1,000 active subs.  Since there are many it shouldn't be hard to come up with just a few. 

Originally posted by neoterrar

I left before seeing anything bigger than a raft unfortunately.

I just wanted to comment on previous posts about naval warfare not being central to the game.

Not only is it a stated feature, but pretty important to island based clans. It is utterly ridiculous to watch thousands of players swimming the sea to get to another persons city.

I was also told PvE wasn't central to the game, so I shouldn't complain that it also pretty flawed.

I think Darkfall should let itself be bought by SoE. They did wonders for Vanguard, who also promised lots of things..

 

 

Just wanted to comment on the high-lighted area above.

The large naval battles were featured prominently in pretty much every single video shown by Aventurine.  Also, for those that were around in the months leading up to the Beta (the pre-release Beta... not the current on-going Beta) the large naval battles were hailed as one of the most anticipated.

So yeah... it's not unexpected that fans of DarkFall may once again want to re-write it's history.  That doesn't change the fact that large naval battles are just another feature that DarkFall is missing. 

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by Cristina1

Originally posted by Phelcher

I think you are missing the over-all point.

Darkfall is only 4 months old and has an extremely high turn over rate.  This is not good when you have a limited fanbase.

Darkfall doesn't have 50k people wanting to play it..  it has roughly 10k. Of whats left of the original fanbase, Aventurien IS having a tough time keeping this game a float. They simply cannot continue on this path for much longer with only 6k ~ 8k subscribers. As they will have to file for bankruptcy soon.

 

what are you talking about, you know nothing, not nice to make stuff up. DF is not going anywhere. Many MMOs have less than 1,000 active subscribers and they have been "staying afloat" for years....

 

Umm...

Pot meet kettle. 

 

I too would be interested in this list of "Many MMOs" with less than 1,000 active subs.  Since there are many it shouldn't be hard to come up with just a few. 

And Cristina1, let's be sure to back up this extensive list you have with proof of solid numbers.  I mean, since you have such an intimate knowledge of the games and their subscriber base, then it shouldn't be all that difficult...

Originally posted by Wyldsong

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by Cristina1

Originally posted by Phelcher

I think you are missing the over-all point.

Darkfall is only 4 months old and has an extremely high turn over rate.  This is not good when you have a limited fanbase.

Darkfall doesn't have 50k people wanting to play it..  it has roughly 10k. Of whats left of the original fanbase, Aventurien IS having a tough time keeping this game a float. They simply cannot continue on this path for much longer with only 6k ~ 8k subscribers. As they will have to file for bankruptcy soon.

 

what are you talking about, you know nothing, not nice to make stuff up. DF is not going anywhere. Many MMOs have less than 1,000 active subscribers and they have been "staying afloat" for years....

 

Umm...

Pot meet kettle. 

 

I too would be interested in this list of "Many MMOs" with less than 1,000 active subs.  Since there are many it shouldn't be hard to come up with just a few. 

 

And Cristina1, let's be sure to back up this extensive list you have with proof of solid numbers.  I mean, since you have such an intimate knowledge of the games and their subscriber base, then it shouldn't be all that difficult...

first show me the your "proof" that Aventurine is strugling to keep Darkfall afloat.....just because you say its so doesnt mean it is so :p

Originally posted by Cristina1

 

first show me the your "proof" that Aventurine is strugling to keep Darkfall afloat.....just because you say its so doesnt mean it is so :p

Total straw man argument and mis-direction. Can any of you fanbots ever give a straight answer or did you all go to the Democrat school of political double speak?

Originally posted by Cristina1

Originally posted by Wyldsong

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by Cristina1

Originally posted by Phelcher

I think you are missing the over-all point.

Darkfall is only 4 months old and has an extremely high turn over rate.  This is not good when you have a limited fanbase.

Darkfall doesn't have 50k people wanting to play it..  it has roughly 10k. Of whats left of the original fanbase, Aventurien IS having a tough time keeping this game a float. They simply cannot continue on this path for much longer with only 6k ~ 8k subscribers. As they will have to file for bankruptcy soon.

 

what are you talking about, you know nothing, not nice to make stuff up. DF is not going anywhere. Many MMOs have less than 1,000 active subscribers and they have been "staying afloat" for years....

 

Umm...

Pot meet kettle. 

 

I too would be interested in this list of "Many MMOs" with less than 1,000 active subs.  Since there are many it shouldn't be hard to come up with just a few. 

 

And Cristina1, let's be sure to back up this extensive list you have with proof of solid numbers.  I mean, since you have such an intimate knowledge of the games and their subscriber base, then it shouldn't be all that difficult...

 

 

first show me the your "proof" that Aventurine is strugling to keep Darkfall afloat.....just because you say its so doesnt mean it is so :p

Common sense makes it so...this is where a basic understanding of economics and understanding the value of a dollar comes in handy. ( before of course the Fed destroyed it)
 

Originally posted by JTBanker

Originally posted by Cristina1

 

first show me the your "proof" that Aventurine is strugling to keep Darkfall afloat.....just because you say its so doesnt mean it is so :p

 

Total straw man argument and mis-direction. Can any of you fanbots ever give a straight answer or did you all go to the Democrat school of political double speak?

LOL QFT..... well said!

Originally posted by Cristina1

Originally posted by Wyldsong

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by Cristina1

Originally posted by Phelcher

I think you are missing the over-all point.

Darkfall is only 4 months old and has an extremely high turn over rate.  This is not good when you have a limited fanbase.

Darkfall doesn't have 50k people wanting to play it..  it has roughly 10k. Of whats left of the original fanbase, Aventurien IS having a tough time keeping this game a float. They simply cannot continue on this path for much longer with only 6k ~ 8k subscribers. As they will have to file for bankruptcy soon.

 

what are you talking about, you know nothing, not nice to make stuff up. DF is not going anywhere. Many MMOs have less than 1,000 active subscribers and they have been "staying afloat" for years....

 

Umm...

Pot meet kettle. 

 

I too would be interested in this list of "Many MMOs" with less than 1,000 active subs.  Since there are many it shouldn't be hard to come up with just a few. 

 

And Cristina1, let's be sure to back up this extensive list you have with proof of solid numbers.  I mean, since you have such an intimate knowledge of the games and their subscriber base, then it shouldn't be all that difficult...

 

 

first show me the your "proof" that Aventurine is strugling to keep Darkfall afloat.....just because you say its so doesnt mean it is so :p

Heh... and there you go.  Thanks for removing any doubt that some may have had. 

See when a poster makes claims like:

"Many MMOs have less than 1,000 active subscribers and they have been "staying afloat" for years...."

and chides other posters with comments like:

"what are you talking about, you know nothing, not nice to make stuff up."

They should probably expect to be called on it. 

When said poster then tries to back-pedal their way out of silly statements that are obviously wrong... we will laugh at them.  Thanks for the laugh.    (Still the number one reason why most of us visit these DarkFall boards... they still produce!)

Originally posted by Cristina1

Originally posted by Wyldsong

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by Cristina1

Originally posted by Phelcher

I think you are missing the over-all point.

Darkfall is only 4 months old and has an extremely high turn over rate.  This is not good when you have a limited fanbase.

Darkfall doesn't have 50k people wanting to play it..  it has roughly 10k. Of whats left of the original fanbase, Aventurien IS having a tough time keeping this game a float. They simply cannot continue on this path for much longer with only 6k ~ 8k subscribers. As they will have to file for bankruptcy soon.

 

what are you talking about, you know nothing, not nice to make stuff up. DF is not going anywhere. Many MMOs have less than 1,000 active subscribers and they have been "staying afloat" for years....

 

Umm...

Pot meet kettle. 

 

I too would be interested in this list of "Many MMOs" with less than 1,000 active subs.  Since there are many it shouldn't be hard to come up with just a few. 

 

And Cristina1, let's be sure to back up this extensive list you have with proof of solid numbers.  I mean, since you have such an intimate knowledge of the games and their subscriber base, then it shouldn't be all that difficult...

 

 

first show me the your "proof" that Aventurine is strugling to keep Darkfall afloat.....just because you say its so doesnt mean it is so :p

Since you are responding to my "proof" statement, well my dear, "I" never said anything about "Aventurine struggling to keep Darkfall afloat", now did I? I never made a statement that inferred I have intimate knowledge about the subject, unlike your MMOs with less than 1000 subscribers bit.  Learn to match your arguements with the proper people, otherwise you just look foolish cupcake.

But, since the subject is here, yes I do think Aventurine is struggling (the key word being "think", thus making it an opinion and taking it out of a statement of fact).  And no, I don't have definitive proof, I just have what I have witnessed and read to go by.  There are fewer and fewer fanboi posts here and more of the thanks but no thanks posts, official DF forums seem to show more and more signs of malcontent, and unless banks work differently in Greece than they do everywhere else, Aventurine took out a large loan from what I remember not too long ago, a loan they will need to pay back.  Add to that maintenance costs to keep the server running, paying programmers and the like...well sorry, the future doesn't look too bright if the game can't keep subscribers.  Just my two cents.

So, now, as for your proof? Oh yeah, you don't have it.  All you have is a weak attempt at misdirection.  Nice try though.

Originally posted by Wyldsong

Originally posted by Cristina1

Originally posted by Wyldsong

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by Cristina1

Originally posted by Phelcher

I think you are missing the over-all point.

Darkfall is only 4 months old and has an extremely high turn over rate.  This is not good when you have a limited fanbase.

Darkfall doesn't have 50k people wanting to play it..  it has roughly 10k. Of whats left of the original fanbase, Aventurien IS having a tough time keeping this game a float. They simply cannot continue on this path for much longer with only 6k ~ 8k subscribers. As they will have to file for bankruptcy soon.

 

what are you talking about, you know nothing, not nice to make stuff up. DF is not going anywhere. Many MMOs have less than 1,000 active subscribers and they have been "staying afloat" for years....

 

Umm...

Pot meet kettle. 

 

I too would be interested in this list of "Many MMOs" with less than 1,000 active subs.  Since there are many it shouldn't be hard to come up with just a few. 

 

And Cristina1, let's be sure to back up this extensive list you have with proof of solid numbers.  I mean, since you have such an intimate knowledge of the games and their subscriber base, then it shouldn't be all that difficult...

 

 

first show me the your "proof" that Aventurine is strugling to keep Darkfall afloat.....just because you say its so doesnt mean it is so :p

 

Since you are responding to my "proof" statement, well my dear, "I" never said anything about "Aventurine struggling to keep Darkfall afloat", now did I? I never made a statement that inferred I have intimate knowledge about the subject, unlike your MMOs with less than 1000 subscribers bit.  Learn to match your arguements with the proper people, otherwise you just look foolish cupcake.

But, since the subject is here, yes I do think Aventurine is struggling (the key word being "think", thus making it an opinion and taking it out of a statement of fact).  And no, I don't have definitive proof, I just have what I have witnessed and read to go by.  There are fewer and fewer fanboi posts here and more of the thanks but no thanks posts, official DF forums seem to show more and more signs of malcontent, and unless banks work differently in Greece than they do everywhere else, Aventurine took out a large loan from what I remember not too long ago, a loan they will need to pay back.  Add to that maintenance costs to keep the server running, paying programmers and the like...well sorry, the future doesn't look too bright if the game can't keep subscribers.  Just my two cents.

So, now, as for your proof? Oh yeah, you don't have it.  All you have is a weak attempt at misdirection.  Nice try though.

Adding a bit more fuel to the fire.
 

AV so far lived or you should say survived on loans.  Over the course of years of development, they never made a dime.  They live on loans.  When loans are called they have no other optioins but call for fresh loans.  These loans have conditions, I doubt what bank will accept 1k or even 10k x $15 a month as a condition for meeting the requirement for loan roll-over.

Now added to the fact that AV account mismanagement has already alerted the major Credit cards.  Banks might actually blacklisted AV for the purpose of normal transactions.  In any case, these will add a lot of complications when AV tries to shop banks begging for a loan, or a life-saving rope.

Without fresh loans, when the original loans were due, AV would have to be liquidated.  Unless someone is willing to shore up the 10million euros + interest + finanacial charges due to delay in payment, or any other legal / financial charges due.  Maybe some of the fans can organise a world wide declaration of war against the banks, well inside DF of course, before the server power shuts down.

Amen.

Originally posted by Cristina1

Originally posted by Phelcher

Originally posted by Cristina1

Yes but you are missing one small point. People love to make negative posts re "OMGZ I QUIT!" people who dont make posts such as "I DONT QUIT!" unless its to annoy particular poster. 

So the perception that everybody is leaving is wrong, people quit MMOs all the time, you just need to know MMO life cycles to understand user numbers and explanations for them.Also Devs dont bother with "General discussion" section of the forums for obvious reasons, they stick to suggestion section and dot forget they ahve their own mind made up on how to develop their own game, so they dont follow players advice 100%.

 Oh and about naval battles, I would imagine they happen at sea some place? since i havent bothered to even go out to sea in a raft I dont know. Besides its not a naval simulator, if it was then i would understand you but its not the main focus of the game, so whats this fuss about naval battles? Even If clans worked out that building fleets is not that viable then whats wrong with that?

 

I think you are missing the over-all point.

Darkfall is only 4 months old and has an extremely high turn over rate.  This is not good when you have a limited fanbase.

Darkfall doesn't have 50k people wanting to play it..  it has roughly 10k. Of whats left of the original fanbase, Aventurien IS having a tough time keeping this game a float. They simply cannot continue on this path for much longer with only 6k ~ 8k subscribers. As they will have to file for bankruptcy soon.

 

what are you talking about, you know nothing, not nice to make stuff up. DF is not going anywhere. Many MMOs have less than 1,000 active subscribers and they have been "staying afloat" for years....

L O L ...!  (please read and learn)

Many...?  (really?) 

Free to play MMO are designed around 8 month development cycles, on a single $11k server.  These are not REAL mmorpgs, that have 3~4 year of development, that use open world design, requiring server farms costing $100,000 or more...!

Asain MMORPG games (ie: low budget), cost $80k to make... they can survive on 1,500 subs/month. Darkfall cost millions to make...   are you starting to see the picture.

Only an adolecent would make the type of comments you've made, because any adult understands, there are costs involved in operating a business...!  (what..?) Aventurine still has bills, needs to pay people, etc.

So Cristina1,   ...where is the logic in your insanely ignorant post? How does Aventurine pay back $11 million dollars, with 6,000 people playing their game?

See, reality is now sinking in.. have a nice day!

Originally posted by daarco

I have not seen any major naval battle, yet!

But that is the main reason why i play Darkfall. I estimate it will take about 6-12 months from the release before we see people/clans losing ships as they loose mounts(wich peple were to afrais to loose at the beginning), and i have no problem with this.

Im even pretty sure AV will make the ship grind much less time consuming in the future. But still, this is not WoW, every feature is not for everyone. Just because there is ships doesnt mean you need to be involved with them. Its a personal choice.

As DarkFall is fast approaching it's 6 month mark... just wondering if the large naval battles are any closer to happening on a semi-frequent basis?

I know of a few people whose main interest in DarkFall was being a pirate and participating in these large naval battles... but I have yet to see a video from players of a single large naval battle between ships taking place. 

Does one exist yet?

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by daarco

I have not seen any major naval battle, yet!

But that is the main reason why i play Darkfall. I estimate it will take about 6-12 months from the release before we see people/clans losing ships as they loose mounts(wich peple were to afrais to loose at the beginning), and i have no problem with this.

Im even pretty sure AV will make the ship grind much less time consuming in the future. But still, this is not WoW, every feature is not for everyone. Just because there is ships doesnt mean you need to be involved with them. Its a personal choice.

 

As DarkFall is fast approaching it's 6 month mark... just wondering if the large naval battles are any closer to happening on a semi-frequent basis?

 

I know of a few people whose main interest in DarkFall was being a pirate and participating in these large naval battles... but I have yet to see a video from players of a single large naval battle between ships taking place. 

Does one exist yet?

lol I wouldn't expect to see this any time soon. It's hard enough to get most people to wear Armor let alone take out something as expensive as a ship for a naval battle.

And as for this...............

Originally posted by Cristina1

first show me the your "proof" that Aventurine is strugling to keep Darkfall afloat.....just because you say its so doesnt mean it is so :p

The fact that they had to resort to making NA players pay twice! Paid for 1 char per server right? So now that there are 2 servers I can have 2 chars? WRONG, "Sorry we changed our minds and decided to change what you purchased after you purchased it".......... Ok what do we get now and why did you change it? "It is now 1 char per server, and we changed it because we do not control the rights to DFO in NA, we aren't the publisher there sorry!"............... Ok, who is the Publisher of the NA version of DFO? "Aventurine is!"............. what?.............."Well what we meant by we was Audio visual, see they control DFO in EU and since we are a different company than them we need to get our cut as well!" .................... what? ............... "We had to get new investors and such to setup the NA server because we did not make very much on DFO EU sales, there fore we have to make them some of there money back for giving us the cash to setup the servers and liscencing fee's etc!"

The whole thing is confusing but the gist of it is lol, that NA servers apparently required new funds because they lacked the funds to setup a single NA server for DFO. Them lacking the funds to do so is a dead indicator they were having money issues. They actually had to pull in new investors for a single server after all the EU sales and all the subs they had for the past several months. Having to pull in new investors and such for a single server this far after launch and being required to charge extra for those wishing to play on NA servers is irrefutable proof that AV is struggling to keep DFO afloat.

I mean come on lol, they had to bring in new investors to setup a single server for NA, and apparently those investors weren't confident they would get there money back so they made AV change the 1 char per server to 1 char per account and force people to buy the game again to play on NA servers. Now if you want to say this isn't true, you of course have to call AV liars.

Which is true?

Av lied about the whole thing and are simply greedy?

or

AV is telling the truth and are struggling to keep DFO afloat, thus the need for new investors to setup a single NA server?

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by daarco

I have not seen any major naval battle, yet!

But that is the main reason why i play Darkfall. I estimate it will take about 6-12 months from the release before we see people/clans losing ships as they loose mounts(wich peple were to afrais to loose at the beginning), and i have no problem with this.

Im even pretty sure AV will make the ship grind much less time consuming in the future. But still, this is not WoW, every feature is not for everyone. Just because there is ships doesnt mean you need to be involved with them. Its a personal choice.

 

As DarkFall is fast approaching it's 6 month mark... just wondering if the large naval battles are any closer to happening on a semi-frequent basis?

 

I know of a few people whose main interest in DarkFall was being a pirate and participating in these large naval battles... but I have yet to see a video from players of a single large naval battle between ships taking place. 

Does one exist yet?

 

lol I wouldn't expect to see this any time soon. It's hard enough to get most people to wear Armor let alone take out something as expensive as a ship for a naval battle.

 

And as for this...............

Originally posted by Cristina1

 

first show me the your "proof" that Aventurine is strugling to keep Darkfall afloat.....just because you say its so doesnt mean it is so :p

The fact that they had to resort to making NA players pay twice! Paid for 1 char per server right? So now that there are 2 servers I can have 2 chars? WRONG, "Sorry we changed our minds and decided to change what you purchased after you purchased it".......... Ok what do we get now and why did you change it? "It is now 1 char per server, and we changed it because we do not control the rights to DFO in NA, we aren't the publisher there sorry!"............... Ok, who is the Publisher of the NA version of DFO? "Aventurine is!"............. what?.............."Well what we meant by we was Audio visual, see they control DFO in EU and since we are a different company than them we need to get our cut as well!" .................... what? ............... "We had to get new investors and such to setup the NA server because we did not make very much on DFO EU sales, there fore we have to make them some of there money back for giving us the cash to setup the servers and liscencing fee's etc!"

The whole thing is confusing but the gist of it is lol, that NA servers apparently required new funds because they lacked the funds to setup a single NA server for DFO. Them lacking the funds to do so is a dead indicator they were having money issues. They actually had to pull in new investors for a single server after all the EU sales and all the subs they had for the past several months. Having to pull in new investors and such for a single server this far after launch and being required to charge extra for those wishing to play on NA servers is irrefutable proof that AV is struggling to keep DFO afloat.

I mean come on lol, they had to bring in new investors to setup a single server for NA, and apparently those investors weren't confident they would get there money back so they made AV change the 1 char per server to 1 char per account and force people to buy the game again to play on NA servers. Now if you want to say this isn't true, you of course have to call AV liars.

Which is true?

Av lied about the whole thing and are simply greedy?

or

AV is telling the truth and are struggling to keep DFO afloat, thus the need for new investors to setup a single NA server?

I agree with your assessment GrayGhost.
 

I do hope for those who really do like DarkFall that they can figure out the financial aspect of it soon... as you've pointed out... sooner or later all the investors that Aventurine has been having to round up in order to keep running will have to be paid off.

That isn't something that is said to be mean, or to try and stomp on other player's fun they are having.  That is just a reality of how finances work. 

DarkFall's Devs. taking a month-long vacation doesn't seem like the best use of their existing money... but I guess we'll see how that works out for them.