You know like the ones that were shown in the trailers:

www.youtube.com/watch

The battles with 10+ large ships in them...

The battles that were supposed to be a fairly common occurance by now...

Where are they?

For those that remember this topic came up a few times before release...

www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2662012#2662012

It was pointed out that it was a mistake not to Beta Test large-scale Naval battles. 

It was pointed out that the time and grind requirement of building most of this stuff was prohibitive.  

It was pointed out that Tasos and  Aventurine was blowing smoke with their trailers.

Well... the 2-3 months that the ardent supporters said it would take to see these battles has expired.  So, where are they?

Also what happened to the "Race around the World" that was to take place with hundreds of ships from every clan?

What happened to the pirates and cargo ships?

Hmm... makes you think back before Beta even started and wonder if some of those that were questioning Tasos' hype knew a thing or two. 

um, a ship kinda blew up that city on the eastern coast of ruby.

and lots of people go fishing on rafts.

that's about it i think...

It's probably safe to say that everything conceivable has already been said about Darkfall and it's subjective shortcomings.

Do you have anything new to add?

the big ships still cost too much for people to risk losing them.

bit like titans in eve - you don't bring them out unless you're 95% sure you're going to be able to go home with them.

Originally posted by javac

the big ships still cost too much for people to risk losing them.

 

bit like titans in eve - you don't bring them out unless you're 95% sure you're going to be able to go home with them.

um, there's like a dozen different sized ships created by shipbuilding in darkfall.

no it is NOT like a titan.  it's like being afraid to deploy carriers, dreads, moms AND titans.  hell, plus a few more, since you see none of anything except the occasional raft.  you don't even use ship building to create rafts.

bad comparison for the titans. sorry.

Originally posted by Leethe

It's probably safe to say that everything conceivable has already been said about Darkfall and it's subjective shortcomings.

Do you have anything new to add?

on a serious note - stop trolling.  if you don't have anything to contribute to a topic, why post only trolling the thread?

My question to the OP is this.

Could you please provide a reference to where AV said that battles involves 10 ships should be happening within 2-3 months of game time.

players comments franckly dont count on "supposed to"
 

I have a feeling that the boat/ship/dingy owners are trying to finance thier trip across the Atlantic at this time.

But seriously, the cost scares the owners into keeping everything drydocked. Couple that with the chance that the danged things have a chance to get away from you, and fly off into the sunset, that no one wants to risk the virtual monies.

Short version; dunno.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

My question to the OP is this.

Could you please provide a reference to where AV said that battles involves 10 ships should be happening within 2-3 months of game time.

players comments franckly dont count on "supposed to"
 

Well when you have 800+ player zerg guilds that people are claiming to be in/see, do you really think it should take more than 2-3 months of game time?

Man, in that time I could level to 75 in FFXI.

Darkfal is complete garbage, this comming from a closed beta tester.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

My question to the OP is this.

Could you please provide a reference to where AV said that battles involves 10 ships should be happening within 2-3 months of game time.

players comments franckly dont count on "supposed to"
 

in order to build ships, you need to build shipyards...

does AV need to post that people will take over and build cities?  do they need to post how long it'll be until shipyards are functioning?

stop trolling.

i, personally, am sick and tired of this silly game of "someone said exactly this or that".

lack of resources is NOT why ships aren't being built.

people can fly off in your ship.  people can steal your ship.  people are just not wanting to spend all that time grinding, just for some wanker to come steal/hack the ship.

lots of ships aren't around because of horrible game mechanics.

your last line eliminates your post as an innocent question.  troll elsewhere please.

go to the link.  all the fanbois were up in arms (in feb.) that someone would DARE to doubt that those huge naval battles would NOT be an every day occurance.

Originally posted by Respit

I have a feeling that the boat/ship/dingy owners are trying to finance thier trip across the Atlantic at this time.

 

But seriously, the cost scares the owners into keeping everything drydocked. Couple that with the chance that the danged things have a chance to get away from you, and fly off into the sunset, that no one wants to risk the virtual monies.

 

Short version; dunno.

Just as a point of reference I believe one of my clan mates could buy a few of the smaller ones (not the rafts) if he wanted to liqudate. I believe I could buy one of the starter ones which material cost is around 60k if I liquated. if I found an astrolab it would be a lot less.
 

But we are waiting for the  NA server before we make any choices in what directin we want to take things.

I have not seen any major naval battle, yet!

But that is the main reason why i play Darkfall. I estimate it will take about 6-12 months from the release before we see people/clans losing ships as they loose mounts(wich peple were to afrais to loose at the beginning), and i have no problem with this.

Im even pretty sure AV will make the ship grind much less time consuming in the future. But still, this is not WoW, every feature is not for everyone. Just because there is ships doesnt mean you need to be involved with them. Its a personal choice.

from the op

www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2662012#2662012

where are they now?  where are the ardent darkfall supporters from just a few months ago... especially in regards to this naval issue?

People are just afraid the hackers will pull a "Flying Dutchman" with their ships.  So they keep them hidden.  Ships are serious business after all.

Edit: Oops for the link www.youtube.com/watch

Originally posted by Leethe

It's probably safe to say that everything conceivable has already been said about Darkfall and it's subjective shortcomings.

Do you have anything new to add?

Yes. When will this extremely obvious problem be addressed? The new thing that needs added is an answer.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by Respit

I have a feeling that the boat/ship/dingy owners are trying to finance thier trip across the Atlantic at this time.

 

But seriously, the cost scares the owners into keeping everything drydocked. Couple that with the chance that the danged things have a chance to get away from you, and fly off into the sunset, that no one wants to risk the virtual monies.

 

Short version; dunno.

 

Just as a point of reference I believe one of my clan mates could buy a few of the smaller ones (not the rafts) if he wanted to liqudate. I believe I could buy one of the starter ones which material cost is around 60k if I liquated. if I found an astrolab it would be a lot less.
 

But we are waiting for the  NA server before we make any choices in what directin we want to take things.

What does the new server have to do with it?

People use naval warfare as a reason why MO won't be as good as DFO.  I've seen many people actually use it as an excuse for why they won't play MO when it comes out.  Yet, there isn't any naval warfare in DFO either.

There aren't any naval battles because of the amount of resources need to build the ship, and the amount of grind that is involved in getting to a point that you can build a ship. 
Then you've got all those "hardcore" people that are scared to lose it.  That doesn't sound so hardcore to me.

Obviously the mechanics aren't working properly or there would be ships sailing after 4 months.

Then again there wouldn't be much of an advantage in macroing sailing; so most of the playerbase wouldn't really be interested in ships.

wow I cant believe what I am reading. As far as I know, this game was full of "hardcore" players, not carebears. So clans do not care about the ships because they are afraid to lose them?

Originally posted by Moretrinkets

wow I cant believe what I am reading. As far as I know, this game was full of "hardcore" players, not carebears. So clans do not care about the ships because they are afraid to lose them?

yes.

You dont see naval battles or ships cause u look in the wrong place.These things in DFO dont happen in sea.

Try to raise ur eyes to the sky

Why do you expect these ship battles to happen right in front of you when you log in? The map is pretty big, battles happen.