Originally posted by ioaniro

Originally posted by Cursedsei

Originally posted by Comnitus

Sure, they're trying. But are there bots in the game? Yes. Should that be made known to someone whose never heard of the game, but is interested? Yes.

Are there good things about the game? Absolutely. There are plenty of videos about those things that aren't getting pulled from Youtube. If anything, these videos should motivate them to get rid of the bots even faster, and then people can laugh at these bot vids and say, "Damn, the game used to be that bad? There's practially no bots today. NCSoft is a great company!"

I guess there's not much anyone can do about it at this point.

 

Comn, theres bots in every MMO, EVERY MMO. The only reasonable reason one would post a vid of 5 mins of bots in a game is to try and hurt it. You pick an MMO, I could make 5mins of bots running around in it. So by your logic, if anyone asks me about an MMO, I should tell them there's bots in it. WoW? Check. EQ? Check. 100% of F2Ps? Check.

Having bots in the game doesn't make it a bad game. If I released an MMO full of pixelated sprites with no animations and generic fireballs and an itemshop, and a $30-a-month fee, had it full of bots, then a few months down the line remove them all, I could say "Hey its so much better now!" because of that?

Besides, its not the official NA servers. Said this somewhere else, but please just f***ing shut it about bots in the asian servers. You chose to play on those servers, even when you aren't supposed to, so deal with it. When it releases to NA, then you can cry and whine all you want about bots. NCSoft isn't the company running it there if I remember correctly, so they are not responsible for the bots in the asian versions of the game. Once it hits our shores, go ahead, post all the vids you want, but how about you actually try and help them too? I'm pretty bloody sure they have a "report" button for spam and the like. So instead of posting vids on Youtube so every idiot who sees it will talk sh** about the game, actually do a little work towards helping.

 

First off try to keep the discusion civil it doesn't help your cause being aggressive. As for the oher comments is true in China there is a bad company behind the game (or so I hear) but as you should know NcSoft is a korean company and they are running the game in their own house. And no, there is no "report" button in game that I could find but there were rumors of such a "button" being implmented, it just didn't make it in the live version (yet I hope). You could go through the normal open petition - wait - talk to gm - wait  but that's about it. And some of us think that posting and disussing things that are bad vs things that are good actually help the game, I guess everybody can see this differently. As you can see nobody so far is bashing Aion or the game and all of us are eagerly waiting for it to come out. So keep a civil discussion about the other aspects of the game as civil as you can please .

True, but NCSoft Korea isn't the same NCSoft we deal with. And to play the Korean version you need a Korean ID, which is illegal to fake or steal, so once again, any NA/EU player who decided to get onto the Asian servers should just shut their traps and deal with it instead of posting videos from the Asian servers and screaming "Bot Infestation!".

I have no issues with discussing bad vs good in a game, but Botting isn't completely in their control. A bot is different from a glitch, exploit, or a difference in numbers, a bot is a program, and the group who create the programs will always be updating it to insure it works and they profit. It's like a virus. The company has to update their product to stop Vers. 1, but the Virus will always be updated to 1.1, then 1.2, and the like. And unlike a glitch or exploit, which just requires some code-reworking, to prevent the botters means continually working on it, on top of balancing and adding content. And while it may be nice to have a bot free game, the work behind it will show in the game.

And sorry for being a little uncivil, I just hate seeing people complain about a game they can't even legally play, and act like its going to be the exact same way when it releases here. Partly why I feel they need to stop posting vids, because as I said, "idiots" will look at the video and that will change their thoughts. Because instead of doing the logical thing and trying it on their own, they rely on the loudest person to affect their judgements.

Why solve a problem when you can cover it up?

This game must be really fun. So fun that they're willing to let a bot play for them.

I guess is true we will never know for sure until it hits the markets. Still some positive signals from NcSoft implementing new anti bot measures would really be welcomed, I mean is one of the disadvantages of doing localized launch every one will be looking at what you are doing in the other regions while you are preparing the next launch. I guess after fighting with gold sellers for a spot in catacombs in L2 for so long I got a bit over causious when I see bots in a NcSoft game that I really like :).

Originally posted by Mangaloid

You-tube is retarded.  Anyone can claim a copyright on anything with no evidence at all and have it pulled.  You can just send them an email and claim a dozen channels are violating your copyright, and they will all be deleted.  You-tube is over, use another video site.

 

 

/agree on that

I used YouTube in the past to upload MMO movies. A lot got deleted / IP blocked due to music. Even the ones that had music that I played with WinAMp during recording, and thus don't include whole tracks.

YouTube is over for me, but I'm now looking for a new site to upload my movies. If none, I'll drop them on my own website in flash format...

Maybe you do get bots in all MMOs. The difference is that NCSoft games seem to get overrun with them to the point that they become the rule rather than the exception. Also you can play on the Chinese severs legally.

Originally posted by Comnitus

Originally posted by Calind0r

Originally posted by Comnitus

Originally posted by LynxJSA

Out of curiosity, what is the purpose of the movies other than to try to make NCSoft look bad?

If NCSoft didn't want to look bad, they would get rid of the bots. The videos are trying to present a real aspect of the game.

 

Dont be ridiculous, its not an objective view. They are probably doing more than anyone else to get rid of bots and problems in their game, they don't need people creating negative publicity. I could make a 5 minute video of bots in WoW, and show it to people and they might think the game is bot infested.

American gamers and kids are retarded, this is why its being done.

Sure, they're trying. But are there bots in the game? Yes. Should that be made known to someone whose never heard of the game, but is interested? Yes.

Are there good things about the game? Absolutely. There are plenty of videos about those things that aren't getting pulled from Youtube. If anything, these videos should motivate them to get rid of the bots even faster, and then people can laugh at these bot vids and say, "Damn, the game used to be that bad? There's practially no bots today. NCSoft is a great company!"

I guess there's not much anyone can do about it at this point.

To be honest a lot of you need to stop thinking getting rid of bots and preventing bots is as easy as installing an ad blocker. You didn't make the ad blocker or know the time it took to put in all the codes and find out how the ads and pop ups get around most browser defenses. It's not an instant process. This game is not even an instant process.

Originally posted by Rikimaru_X

Originally posted by Comnitus

Originally posted by Calind0r

Originally posted by Comnitus

Originally posted by LynxJSA

Out of curiosity, what is the purpose of the movies other than to try to make NCSoft look bad?

If NCSoft didn't want to look bad, they would get rid of the bots. The videos are trying to present a real aspect of the game.

 

Dont be ridiculous, its not an objective view. They are probably doing more than anyone else to get rid of bots and problems in their game, they don't need people creating negative publicity. I could make a 5 minute video of bots in WoW, and show it to people and they might think the game is bot infested.

American gamers and kids are retarded, this is why its being done.

Sure, they're trying. But are there bots in the game? Yes. Should that be made known to someone whose never heard of the game, but is interested? Yes.

Are there good things about the game? Absolutely. There are plenty of videos about those things that aren't getting pulled from Youtube. If anything, these videos should motivate them to get rid of the bots even faster, and then people can laugh at these bot vids and say, "Damn, the game used to be that bad? There's practially no bots today. NCSoft is a great company!"

I guess there's not much anyone can do about it at this point.

To be honest a lot of you need to stop thinking getting rid of bots and preventing bots is as easy as installing an ad blocker. You didn't make the ad blocker or know the time it took to put in all the codes and find out how the ads and pop ups get around most browser defenses. It's not an instant process. This game is not even an instant process.

I played many MMORPGs. Ive seen some bots, but never as much as I've seen in NCsoft games. Why do you think that is?

I'll wait.

I took a screenshot tonight of a bot running into a wall.  Just imagine how mad they're going to be when they wake in the morning.  I'm ganna make a demotivational poster out of it:  "When botting doesn't pay"

Originally posted by MENGKESHI

Maybe you do get bots in all MMOs. The difference is that NCSoft games seem to get overrun with them to the point that they become the rule rather than the exception. Also you can play on the Chinese severs legally.

Maybe I wasn't specific enough, but this guy said it for me.

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Originally posted by LogothX

I played many MMORPGs. Ive seen some bots, but never as much as I've seen in NCsoft games. Why do you think that is?

 

I'll wait.

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Originally posted by MENGKESHI

 

Maybe you do get bots in all MMOs. The difference is that NCSoft games seem to get overrun with them to the point that they become the rule rather than the exception. Also you can play on the Chinese severs legally.

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• Dungeon Runners
• Guild Wars
• Exteel
• Lineage 2
• City of Heroes

Of those, Lineage 2 was the only one I know of that was ever 'overrun' with bots. What were all the other NCSoft MMOs you guys were referring to? Auto Assault? Tabula Rasa?
 
 
 

Originally posted by LynxJSA

 

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Originally posted by LogothX

I played many MMORPGs. Ive seen some bots, but never as much as I've seen in NCsoft games. Why do you think that is?

 

I'll wait.

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Originally posted by MENGKESHI

 

Maybe you do get bots in all MMOs. The difference is that NCSoft games seem to get overrun with them to the point that they become the rule rather than the exception. Also you can play on the Chinese severs legally.

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• Dungeon Runners
• Guild Wars
• Exteel
• Lineage 2
• City of Heroes

Of those, Lineage 2 was the only one I know of that was ever 'overrun' with bots. What were all the other NCSoft MMOs you guys were referring to? Auto Assault? Tabula Rasa?
 
 
 

 

I've only played Lineage 2 (Europe) and Aion(China). Both had/have serious bot problems. Sorry if the way I put it across was misleading, but that's all my experience of NCSoft games

EDIT: Also, yeah this doesn't mean it's a bad game - I like aion a lot and am continuing to play.

As has been pointed out already, NCSoft is NOT running the Chinese servers (Which are also way behind on patches.  Only 1.0 when Korea is preparing to push 1.3 out), the Chinese servers have a free trial, and the Chinese servers do not require a valid ID of any kind to register (or even an email address if memory serves).  All of those add up to say that the bot issue on the Chinese servers will be substantially worse than on the KR/EU/NA servers.

Yes, I'm aware that there have been a number of complaints about bots originating from the Korean servers.  Yes, its slightly underhanded if NCSoft is responsible for having those videos pulled (As pointed out, no real proof of ownership is required.  Rapid fans could be having those videos pulled.)  Part of Aion's problems, as far as bots and PR is concerned, is that the bots have no where to hide.  They will be in the open world and you will run across them if they exsist.  Most of the western MMOs have a fair amount of instancing from the early levels, providing an easy way to avoid unwanted attention.

That's what I got in the email from youtube so i guessed it was NCSoft.

"This is to notify you that we have removed or disabled access to the following material as a result of a third-party notification by NCSoft claiming that this material is infringing:"

Anyway I guess we can wait and hope this just means that they are alsoworking for the problem in game not only from the game image point of view.

Originally posted by ioaniro

I played a bit of Aion on the chinese server for very short, had few videos showing some of the starter areas and combat in aion up on youtube, among them one video showing a 5 minutes footage of bots controling various starter maps but Ncsoft filed a copyright claim on the video and it got removed. When I searched other bot movies most of them were gone. Anyone else experienced this lately? :-)

PS just to clarify from my 3 videos only the one showing bots got removed, no copiright claims on the ones showing nice images of character creation and combat ;-).

And, I thought it was because we wanted Aion to succeed, seems as if the bots are still there.

Originally posted by Syno23 

And, I thought it was because we wanted Aion to succeed, seems as if the bots are still there.