Originally posted by Eneldin

Originally posted by neKrow

I WAS...past tense, excited. till I saw this from the E3 Q&A:

* Q: What influence have games like World of WarCraft have on the development of FFXIV?
* A: As with WoW, we want to aim a bit for the casual user. However, we don't want to make a copy of WoW. We believe we will have things that are unique and will stand out from that game. 

now I just feel sick. I will continue to watch the progress of the game but am no longer sure I will play. This really bummed me out.

 

 

You can deny WoW's success all you want, but if any MMO wants to succede, they should at least take a look at why WoW was so successful. WoW is a great game with a ton of subs, but it is not FF. It is alot like windows and apple. Windows is main steam but Apple carters to a different group.

Squeenix is first and foremost a company.  They are obviously investing huge amounts of time and money into this game, and to see it fail would be a tragedy.  WoW did something right that all other MMOs to date have not done.  If Sqeenix wants the game to even come close to the playerbase size of WoW, they better take a good hard look at why WoW is doing well. Not sure any MMO will ever get 11 Mil subs. But as any company would do is cash in on what makes it great. Honda would love to be # 1 over Toyota , but they have said many times that is not their main goal. They want to make great cars and have a loyal customer group. I played FF 1 way back on the NES so they will always have my vote.

Of course they aren't going to  give up the "FF" style.  If they did they would lose all their loyal customers.

-Partying/grouping will still be a very fundamental part of the game.

-There will be all of their classic jobs; white mage, black mage, red mage, warrior, thief, etc.

-There will be a great story line, and more story lines added on each expansion.

 

These 3 points I GUARANTEE YOU will be in the game. I would really hope so. If not i'll quit after my 1st 30 days. Or even in beat if i can get a key =)

 

If they do succede it will be from preserving what was good about FFXI and embeleshing it with things from WoW that made WoW successful. Yeap all we "fanbois" can hope for.

Originally posted by Zandora2018

Originally posted by Eneldin

Originally posted by neKrow

I WAS...past tense, excited. till I saw this from the E3 Q&A:

* Q: What influence have games like World of WarCraft have on the development of FFXIV?
* A: As with WoW, we want to aim a bit for the casual user. However, we don't want to make a copy of WoW. We believe we will have things that are unique and will stand out from that game. 

now I just feel sick. I will continue to watch the progress of the game but am no longer sure I will play. This really bummed me out.

 

 

You can deny WoW's success all you want, but if any MMO wants to succede, they should at least take a look at why WoW was so successful. WoW is a great game with a ton of subs, but it is not FF. It is alot like windows and apple. Windows is main steam but Apple carters to a different group.

Squeenix is first and foremost a company.  They are obviously investing huge amounts of time and money into this game, and to see it fail would be a tragedy.  WoW did something right that all other MMOs to date have not done.  If Sqeenix wants the game to even come close to the playerbase size of WoW, they better take a good hard look at why WoW is doing well. Not sure any MMO will ever get 11 Mil subs. But as any company would do is cash in on what makes it great. Honda would love to be # 1 over Toyota , but they have said many times that is not their main goal. They want to make great cars and have a loyal customer group. I played FF 1 way back on the NES so they will always have my vote.

Of course they aren't going to  give up the "FF" style.  If they did they would lose all their loyal customers.

-Partying/grouping will still be a very fundamental part of the game.

-There will be all of their classic jobs; white mage, black mage, red mage, warrior, thief, etc.

-There will be a great story line, and more story lines added on each expansion.

 

These 3 points I GUARANTEE YOU will be in the game. I would really hope so. If not i'll quit after my 1st 30 days. Or even in beat if i can get a key =)

 

If they do succede it will be from preserving what was good about FFXI and embeleshing it with things from WoW that made WoW successful. Yeap all we "fanbois" can hope for.

 

I didn't mean FF XIV would hit 11 mil subs.  If it even hits 1 mil subs and keeps that number for months or even years, it will be a great accomplishment.

I think there is a miscommunication between what I think 'copying WoW' is, and what many other people think it means.  It does NOT mean copying gameplay such as grinding quests solo just to get the max level as fast as possible, or even layout of the game.

What it means to me, is copying core principles and ideoligies such as:

1) Highly polished game.  Not just the bug removal that most MMO's call 'polish'.  I mean smooth gameplay, very optomized engine, and great graphics that don't take a non-existent computer to run.

2) Catering to all gamers, hardcore and casuals alike.  Many MMOs try to find their own 'niche' in the market - which is perfectly fine.  But on games the size of WoW or FF XIV, in terms of budget and staff, they need to cater to a broader audience for the game to truely be profitable.  Most of the 'niche' games are run by smaller and often independent companies.  This does NOT mean making it a solo fest, but rather have activities in the game that are worthwhile or fun, but only take an hour or two max.

3) Listen to your playerbase, but don't do everything they say.  As much as the WoW forums are a stinking pile, there is a certain amount of interaction between the devs and players which goes a long way.  However, it only goes so far.  You can't have devs with no backbone that cave in to every single demand of their players.

Remember, the more profitable FF XIV is, the better experience it'll be for everyone.  SE will hav emore incentive to patch the game regularly and fix bugs as fast as possible.

Bah I've already gotten too excited over this game, lol.  Best thing to do is forget about it for a year and wait for it to come out - then judge it.

Originally posted by neKrow

Originally posted by ProfRed

Impossible to understand how it feels to have been involved in FFXI and hearing the news about FFXIV recently.  FFXI is the only game that has changed my life and that I can look back and honestly say that it was for the better.  Every other MMO for the most part has felt like a waste of time.  Really cool news.  I hope they can recreate the same environment.

 

That is exactly how I feel. But after I read that FFXIV will be aiming for a casual gaming experience like WoW... I dunno. I hope its  not true I guess.

Relax, you already made a thread about that. :)

Besides, I really think you're reading into it too much. Making FFXIV more casual can mean that it'll be enjoyable for FFXI lovers and more. I highly doubt that FFXIV will go a direction far from FFXI.

FFXI was my first MMO and I played for about 4 years.  Left with friends to play WOW when endgame became a drudgery and there was not much else to do.  I've always missed FFXI and altho I've enjoyed WOW its never been the same.

I'm hopeful that it will remain FF at the core but include a more casual approach to 3 hour camping windows,  HNM spawn timers and the like. 

I never understood why the desire to stand in the same place for possibly 3 hours made you hardcore.  Gamers are getting older and camping a king for a 3 hour window at 3am or a 36 hour HNM fight where you slept in shifts is just not as feasible for a lot of people as it was when FFXI came out. 

I think there is a wonderful opportunity here to design a game that appeals to both.

Originally posted by curiindi

Originally posted by neKrow

Originally posted by ProfRed

Impossible to understand how it feels to have been involved in FFXI and hearing the news about FFXIV recently.  FFXI is the only game that has changed my life and that I can look back and honestly say that it was for the better.  Every other MMO for the most part has felt like a waste of time.  Really cool news.  I hope they can recreate the same environment.

 

That is exactly how I feel. But after I read that FFXIV will be aiming for a casual gaming experience like WoW... I dunno. I hope its  not true I guess.

 

Relax, you already made a thread about that. :)

Besides, I really think you're reading into it too much. Making FFXIV more casual can mean that it'll be enjoyable for FFXI lovers and more. I highly doubt that FFXIV will go a direction far from FFXI.

actually I posted here first and it gave me the idea for the other thread :) I have calmed down a little. Still worried, but hey if it turns out to not be what I am looking for then well, no actual loss to me.

As some others have said this game brings back some memories. I haven't played it for a few years but knowing that another one will be coming out next year literly brings tears to my eyes. I hope they get it right this time. I loved FF XI but I also hated so many things about it. I doubt I will get that same feeling as I got in the first one. This kinda reminds me of my first experience in Phantasy Star online. I played the game and had the best times of my life. None of the sequals could rival that first game though. Hopefully FF XIV will be different. Hopefully I have been away long enough from that when I go back to it next year I can experience the magic all over again. I still remember my best friend in the game Horn. AGHHH the memories....