Originally posted by GrandoReaper

Originally posted by Electriceye

Originally posted by GrandoReaper

Originally posted by AshGUTZ

Originally posted by Electriceye

Sorry all, but Wikipedia wins yet again :

 

A grind is the process of engaging in repetitive and/or non-entertaining gameplay in order to gain access to other features within the game.

 

 EDIT: Doing quests is a grind IMO, a quest grind, and killing mobs over and over is also a grind, a mob grind. So yea there's always some sort of grind, here's where the devs show their ability and hide it as much as they can.

 

Wikipedia is just a more organized version of this site. Opinion based information to be worded into what looks like facts. Even though yes, that is what most people associate the term with BUT.. just thought I'd warn you, Wikepedia is not a valid source for research or proving things.

This is true, referencing from wikipedia is as good as getting info from a random forum.
 

Nah it's a bit better, there are references to the main origin of the information, and it's much easier and very user friendly. There's basically every single information you need. Anyway let's stay on topic this isn't about wiki.

Use wikipedia at any university as a reference and you will get the lecture of your life on why you deserve to fail.
 

Don't worry, I'm not that stupid to do so.

Wiki is an online encyclopedia. I only use it for fast definitions, and read about stuff. I know you're one of those "Wikipedia suckszorrz" people, but you need to realize that it's very helpful sometimes.

Sometimes it's inaccurate, biased, unreliable etc. but other times it's a life savior.

There's a good thing in every bad thing as they say, so don't hate something because other people do or because it's 'the trend' to do so.

EDIT: stupid typo! 

 Any chance we dont de-rail this thread into a wiki topic?

Originally posted by daylight01

 Indeed,

Tbh if you go back in the history of any game,not only mmo's but way back they all have some sort of grind that you either find fun or not..

Hell look at pac-man,the game that took more coins in the 80's than any other,now what did it do?

You completed 1 maze and moved on to the other,sure the ghosts got faster but you basically "grinded" those mazes.

Why did ppl play then...because it was fun!

Yes time's have moved on but name a game that doesnt have you doing the same thing over and over?

They are few and very far between,I think any coment that say's "Aion is another grind game" is nothing more than a hate post or from someone that is new,not new just to the mmo genre but new to gamming.

Ah I thought you meant exclusively MMOs.

Gaming in general, I don't quite agree with you as it's entirely different.

I would never consider RPGs such as FFVII, Mafia, Fallout 3 etc. are grinds. Reasons? Story, Immersiveness, characters etc. In MMOs, the developers are creating an online world where you can interact with players like yourself, thus the focus is entirely different. It's on group content, economy, PvP etc.

Single player games are not a grind, they're... just different. I never thought about this comparison so I'm lost for words..

Originally posted by Electriceye

Originally posted by daylight01

 Indeed,

Tbh if you go back in the history of any game,not only mmo's but way back they all have some sort of grind that you either find fun or not..

Hell look at pac-man,the game that took more coins in the 80's than any other,now what did it do?

You completed 1 maze and moved on to the other,sure the ghosts got faster but you basically "grinded" those mazes.

Why did ppl play then...because it was fun!

Yes time's have moved on but name a game that doesnt have you doing the same thing over and over?

They are few and very far between,I think any coment that say's "Aion is another grind game" is nothing more than a hate post or from someone that is new,not new just to the mmo genre but new to gamming.

Ah I thought you meant exclusively MMOs.

Gaming in general, I don't quite agree with you as it's entirely different.

I would never consider RPGs such as FFVII, Mafia, Fallout 3 etc. are grinds. Reasons? Story, Immersiveness, characters etc. In MMOs, the developers are creating an online world where you can interact with players like yourself, thus the focus is entirely different. It's on group content, economy, PvP etc.

 

Single player games are not a grind, they're... just different. I never thought about this comparison so I'm lost for words..

 

so the fact for game's such as CoD4 and and as you mentioned fallout 3 you have to follow a plan to "lvl"your guy is not a grind?

I mean CoD4 you have to replay maps to improve,in fallout 3 you have a quest line that you follow to get further in the world,show me were that is different from mmo quests that you follow to lvl your guy?

It is all the same,you maybe have alittle more control in mmo's but at the end of the day you WILL follow the quests to get to end lvl.

what ever game you play they guide you to the end lvl ...and you follow.

Originally posted by daylight01

Originally posted by Electriceye

Originally posted by daylight01

 Indeed,

Tbh if you go back in the history of any game,not only mmo's but way back they all have some sort of grind that you either find fun or not..

Hell look at pac-man,the game that took more coins in the 80's than any other,now what did it do?

You completed 1 maze and moved on to the other,sure the ghosts got faster but you basically "grinded" those mazes.

Why did ppl play then...because it was fun!

Yes time's have moved on but name a game that doesnt have you doing the same thing over and over?

They are few and very far between,I think any coment that say's "Aion is another grind game" is nothing more than a hate post or from someone that is new,not new just to the mmo genre but new to gamming.

Ah I thought you meant exclusively MMOs.

Gaming in general, I don't quite agree with you as it's entirely different.

I would never consider RPGs such as FFVII, Mafia, Fallout 3 etc. are grinds. Reasons? Story, Immersiveness, characters etc. In MMOs, the developers are creating an online world where you can interact with players like yourself, thus the focus is entirely different. It's on group content, economy, PvP etc.

 

Single player games are not a grind, they're... just different. I never thought about this comparison so I'm lost for words..

 

so the fact for game's such as CoD4 and and as you mentioned fallout 3 you have to follow a plan to "lvl"your guy is not a grind?

I mean CoD4 you have to replay maps to improve,in fallout 3 you have a quest line that you follow to get further in the world,show me were that is different from mmo quests that you follow to lvl your guy?

It is all the same,you maybe have alittle more control in mmo's but at the end of the day you WILL follow the quests to get to end lvl.

I already told you some of the reasons are Story, Immersiveness, characters for RPGs.

For myself at least. I never really felt MMOs told a story, as you're one among thousands playing through the same quests at the same time. Some hit for immersiveness. Every one is the chosen one. In single-player games, you are at the center of the game, your actions are the only ones that count etc.

Not to mention stories in MMOs are usually told in a pretty bland manner (like in Aion) even though the lore is interesting.

In MMOs, all NPCs are the same, you don't get attached to any of them. In normal RPGs it's different. they're a big part of the story, they liven things up, you feel for them etc.

So yea, you can call it grinding all you want, but I keep it reserved to MMOs.

MMORPGs are a grind, normal RPGs are not.

MMOFPSs are a grind, normal FPSs are not.

In my opinion it's a very different focus, and each genre has a different purpose. Can't compare them.

Originally posted by Electriceye

Originally posted by daylight01

Originally posted by Electriceye

Originally posted by daylight01

 Indeed,

Tbh if you go back in the history of any game,not only mmo's but way back they all have some sort of grind that you either find fun or not..

Hell look at pac-man,the game that took more coins in the 80's than any other,now what did it do?

You completed 1 maze and moved on to the other,sure the ghosts got faster but you basically "grinded" those mazes.

Why did ppl play then...because it was fun!

Yes time's have moved on but name a game that doesnt have you doing the same thing over and over?

They are few and very far between,I think any coment that say's "Aion is another grind game" is nothing more than a hate post or from someone that is new,not new just to the mmo genre but new to gamming.

Ah I thought you meant exclusively MMOs.

Gaming in general, I don't quite agree with you as it's entirely different.

I would never consider RPGs such as FFVII, Mafia, Fallout 3 etc. are grinds. Reasons? Story, Immersiveness, characters etc. In MMOs, the developers are creating an online world where you can interact with players like yourself, thus the focus is entirely different. It's on group content, economy, PvP etc.

 

Single player games are not a grind, they're... just different. I never thought about this comparison so I'm lost for words..

 

so the fact for game's such as CoD4 and and as you mentioned fallout 3 you have to follow a plan to "lvl"your guy is not a grind?

I mean CoD4 you have to replay maps to improve,in fallout 3 you have a quest line that you follow to get further in the world,show me were that is different from mmo quests that you follow to lvl your guy?

It is all the same,you maybe have alittle more control in mmo's but at the end of the day you WILL follow the quests to get to end lvl.

I already told you some of the reasons are Story, Immersiveness, characters for RPGs.

For myself at least. I never really felt MMOs told a story, as you're one among thousands playing through the same quests at the same time. Some hit for immersiveness. Every one is the chosen one. In single-player games, you are at the center of the game, your actions are the only ones that count etc.

Not to mention stories in MMOs are usually told in a pretty bland manner (like in Aion) even though the lore is interesting.

In MMOs, all NPCs are the same, you don't get attached to any of them. In normal RPGs it's different. they're a big part of the story, they liven things up, you feel for them etc.

 

So yea, you can call it grinding all you want, but I keep it reserved to MMOs.

MMORPGs are a grind, normal RPGs are not.

MMOFPSs are a grind, normal FPSs are not.

In my opinion it's a very different focus, and each genre has a different purpose. Can't compare them.

 

Well then it is safe to say you are burnt out with the mmo genre like I 1st posted,no offense but as it is a thread about what you find a grind is and you are basically saying every mmo then you have sort of proved my point.

I don't care if I have to grind.

Grinding = Lots of mob to kill = Exp + Chance on rare loots.

Aka, you can level while getting better items than the average quests rewards.

I think the only people who really understand the term are the ones who lost ten or more hours per day in cruma tower back in C1 and then catacombs , LOA FOG etc ... if you don't know what the hell I'm talking about you probably never experienced true grind , and this is not a bad thing .

Originally posted by daylight01

Well then it is safe to say you are burnt out with the mmo genre like I 1st posted,no offense but as it is a thread about what you find a grind is and you are basically saying every mmo then you have sort of proved my point.

Umm...this is kinda irrelevant, but whatever. 

I'm not the least bored with this genre, even though I think MMOs in general always have grinds in them. I enjoy them a lot because I play with friends, and even mindless grinding can be fun.

Also, mob grind is really annoying, but I have no problem quest grinding, even solo.

So yea, I'm still enjoying MMOs, thank you!

EDIT: Actually, I even enjoy a bit of mob grinding, no problem. I don't play MMOs for the story/characters etc. that's what single player games are for.

Originally posted by daylight01

 Ok I made this post on AS and was good to see what other player's take was on grinding in mmo's and would be nice to hear your guys thought's,here is my original post...

I have played mmo's for a while now and until recently grinding has been defined as having to grind mobs to lvl as there isnt enough content to lvl your guy.
Now reading some post's,not just on this forum but also on other's like mmorpg.com,grinding is now being defined as "having to do thing's to lvl up"I mean there are more than enough quest's that I have seen but still some player's are saying it is a grind.
Yes I will admit it is a slow lvling game but that doesnt constitute a grind.
My personal thought's are if you find doing quest's to lvl your guy a grind then maybe you are a bit burnt out with the mmo genre.

When I played AoC for example at release at come lvl 50 there were no quests to do and you basically found yourself a corner of the world to kill mobs for xp>lvl,then yes that was a grind but not doing quest's and progressing through the world.

Sorry having read so many thread's today about the so called grind I had to get that off my chest...

http://www.aionsource.com/forum/general-discussion/16282-define-grinding.html

Like I said would be nice to hear what you guy's think as I do feel if you are involved in the world and questing I really dont see it as a grind,just playing an mmo.

You don't understand, there aren't enough quests to level your character past level 25 in Aion. You have to grind the same quest over and over again. Grind = Repetition of some sort.